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[NarutoUzumaki01]

It's crystal clear to me that SasuSaku was something that was not supposed to happen, because as we all know in chapter 693 Sasuke said he had no interest in her at all. I don't think Kishimoto has any devotion to that pairing. Not one bit. They aren't even together in chapter 700, and sure they have a kid but they definitely aren't a couple and that's a fact.

Same with NH, but problem is that for kid, even if characters doesn't love each other, they need some interaction... And that's basing on 700 chapters of story... horrible.

[RedFaction]

 

NaruHina is the same way to me, Red, since he had to have Studio Pierrot do the dirty work of explaining them together. X-P And look what a huge mess that is!

Yeah, I thought Kishi said in an interview that he had no intention of telling a NH story, and that the movie was for the most part SP's idea.

[Metalhead87]

Yeah, I thought Kishi said in an interview that he had no intention of telling a NH story, and that the movie was for the most part SP's idea.

 

I remember him saying that too. Plus, in another interview, he flat out admitted that he hasn't/hadn't figured out how SS got together. That screams slapdash to me. I can only presume their thoughts were "SasuSaku is pretty big in Japan, NaruHina is pretty big in the West - put those two together in the ending and megabucks will roll in".

[TerrorKing]

It is a very tough job. I can barely deal with making a comic chapter every month (but to be fair I'm lazy) 

 

A lot of people have issues with fans claiming that Kishimoto was a sell out, but just a quick analysis makes the theory very believable. If Kishimoto was so set on ending the story at chapter 700 then what was the purpose of Kaguya. All of that time could have been focused on Naruto and Sasuke battling it out for the title of becoming hokage, and then we could dedicate 3-2 chapters of the team rebuilding the village.  

 

But what was even the point of Naruto v. Sasuke? If Sasuke knew how Madara would end up, what was the point of fighting Naruto anyway? Just by Madara's last words Sasuke should have realized that the only way peace would work is if they joined hands. The entire ending of Naruto portrayed Sasuke as being mentally impaired, or just slow. It really showed no justice to Sasuke fans.   

 

All of this is basic common sense, and Kishimoto seemed to have that back in Part 1. It doesn't just go away. So this leads me to believe that SJ played a huge hand in Naruto's ending, not just with the fighting scences, but with the entire outcome. Never forget that they created the Cell arc of Dragonball Z. Never let that die.  

 

And I honestly do believe that one day Kishimoto will look back on this and realize that mistakes were made. As an artist, I don't think he'll be pleased with what he did. But it's over now, and the damage has been dealt. Our only hope is to one day run into another manga that surpasses the global appeal of Naruto and achieves a good ending.

Kishi has stated that he didn't know how to defeat Madara and so it's incredibly easy to see that Kaguya was merely a plot device to get Madara out of the way. Furthermore, the entire Kaguya thing is what lead to all the BS in The Last about Toneri and the Tenzeigan and since we know the The Last was SP's idea, it's easy to connect the dots and see that Kishi basically sold out and handed the series over to SP and WSJ. 

 

Bolded: Well from what I understand, it's not uncommen for a mangaka to change the ending of their series, so I don't think Kishi changing the ending is completely out of the question. However I'm not gonna hold out hope for it. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 09 February 2015 - 09:05 PM.

[RedFaction]

 

I remember him saying that too. Plus, in another interview, he flat out admitted that he hasn't/hadn't figured out how SS got together. That screams slapdash to me. I can only presume their thoughts were "SasuSaku is pretty big in Japan, NaruHina is pretty big in the West - put those two together in the ending and megabucks will roll in".

Yeah I think I remember him saying that about SS as well. Which leads me to believe that these pairings were decided after Road to Ninja and SP was the one to make that decision. If Kishi has no desire in telling their stories or how they got together then it's quite clear that he doesn't like them. He had no problem telling Minato and Kushina's story so it's not that Kishi can't do it, he just didn't want to.

[Metalhead87]

Kishi has stated that he didn't know how to defeat Madara and so it's incredibly easy to see that Kaguya was merely a plot device to get Madara out of the way. Furthermore, the entire Kaguya thing is what lead to all the BS in The Last about Toneri and the Tenzeigan and since we know the The Last was SP's idea, it's easy to connect the dots and see that Kishi basically sold out and hended the series over to SP and WSJ. 

 

Bolded: Well from what I understand, it's not uncommen for a mangaka to change the ending of their series, so I don't think Kishi changing the ending is completely out of the question. However I'm not gonna hold out hope for it. 

 

It certainly seems plausible. Lots of people here are making these connections too.

 

Yeah, I agree. It's not impossible for Kishimoto to change the ending. We just don't know how likely it is.

 

Yeah I think I remember him saying that about SS as well. Which leads me to believe that these pairings were decided after Road to Ninja and SP was the one to make that decision. If Kishi has no desire in telling their stories or how they got together then it's quite clear that he doesn't like them. He had no problem telling Minato and Kushina's story so it's not that Kishi can't do it, he just didn't want to.

 

I agree with that. He had ample opportunity to do so, and yet purposefully chose not to.

[RedFaction]

 

It certainly seems plausible. Lots of people here are making these connections too.

 

Yeah, I agree. It's not impossible for Kishimoto to change the ending. We just don't know how likely it is.

 

 

I agree with that. He had ample opportunity to do so, and yet purposefully chose not to.

I wouldn't hold my breath for Kishi to change the ending. He still sold out and handed his story over to SP and WSJ, but who knows what'll happen years down the road. Maybe he'll regret what he let happen to his story that took up 15 years of his life.

[Metalhead87]

I wouldn't hold my breath for Kishi to change the ending. He still sold out and handed his story over to SP and WSJ, but who knows what'll happen years down the road. Maybe he'll regret what he let happen to his story that took up 15 years of his life.

 

This is more or less my train of thought. I'm not holding out for anything, but the possibility itself exists. As you said, who knows?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone got that post on the movies with all other movies comparison such as The Last and Gintama?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Anyone got that post on the movies with all other movies comparison such as The Last and Gintama?

Nope.

[Pix]

It's crystal clear to me that SasuSaku was something that was not supposed to happen, because as we all know in chapter 693 Sasuke said he had no interest in her at all. I don't think Kishimoto has any devotion to that pairing. Not one bit. They aren't even together in chapter 700, and sure they have a kid but they definitely aren't a couple and that's a fact.

Absolutely. And this is why a lot of SasuSaku fans are finally beginning to see the full picture. Sure, seeing your otp have offsprings in the end gives you a natural high but what happens after that? And Kishimoto ruined himself with his own damage control. He admitted that he had no clue how SS got together, and that was just as heartbreaking as him saying that NS was a red herring.  

 

Also, chapter 693. There really is no hope in trying to make sense of this story romantic-wise anymore. I don't think anyone can fully explain that, or justify it. If anything, that chapter and chapter 700 compared should be everyone's go to example of Kishimoto's misogynistic writings.

 

 

NaruHina is the same way to me, Red, since he had to have Studio Pierrot do the dirty work of explaining them together. X-P And look what a huge mess that is!

In an interview way back Kishimoto was complaining about how everybody kept mentioning Hinata everywhere. If he really had planned for her to make more of an appearance and be with Naruto would he really be doing that? Nah.   

 

Honestly fans faithfully believing anything Kishimoto says has to be one of my biggest pet peeves now. He contradicts himself through his writings and through his interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did let go of Narusaku in the fake confession, and he only said that Sakura was being "honest" to mislead the fans once again. The way he works is so twisted. 

[Narufan85]

Its simple, Kishimoto needed any kind of BS to make Sasuke relevant again , make him equal to Naruto OP powers 

The problem is that this reincarnation thing f**cked up one of the main plot points he estabilished in part 1

 

 

Neji was right all this time...

 

Here's the difference between NS fans and most NH/SS fans. We can see how Kishi totally crapped on important themes and lessons established early on in Part I. They don't care because they saw their pairing "win."

 

What trash, Kishi.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Absolutely. And this is why a lot of SasuSaku fans are finally beginning to see the full picture. Sure, seeing your otp have offsprings in the end gives you a natural high but what happens after that? And Kishimoto ruined himself with his own damage control. He admitted that he had no clue how SS got together, and that was just as heartbreaking as him saying that NS was a red herring.  

 

Also, chapter 693. There really is no hope in trying to make sense of this story romantic-wise anymore. I don't think anyone can fully explain that, or justify it. If anything, that chapter and chapter 700 compared should be everyone's go to example of Kishimoto's misogynistic writings.

Wait and see it in Sakura's novel.

 

Honestly fans faithfully believing anything Kishimoto says has to be one of my biggest pet peeves now. He contradicts himself through his writings and through his interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did let go of Narusaku in the fake confession, and he only said that Sakura was being "honest" to mislead the fans once again. The way he works is so twisted. 

And looking like alot of NS come after that, and even more meaningful moments like Kushina's story, Minato's words, CPR scene. Whole battle where Naruto kept on cheking Sakura's state, yeah... all that is misleading... Then what was true? Kishimoto's lies doesn't change what's already been pictured.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 09 February 2015 - 09:52 PM.

[TerrorKing]

 

It certainly seems plausible. Lots of people here are making these connections too.

 

Yeah, I agree. It's not impossible for Kishimoto to change the ending. We just don't know how likely it is.

Indeed. It could take years or it might never even happen. I agree with what Pix said earlier. The best we can do for now is to seek out other manga and anime. 

 

I wouldn't hold my breath for Kishi to change the ending. He still sold out and handed his story over to SP and WSJ, but who knows what'll happen years down the road. Maybe he'll regret what he let happen to his story that took up 15 years of his life.

This is honestly what's been puzzling me the most about all this. Like you said, Kishi spent 15 years on this story, so why not just see it through to the end and do a proper ending? To me this is like running a marathon and then giving up when you're only a few meters from the goal. Yes it's been incredibly hard and there have probably been times where you just wanted to stop and go home, but if you give up now then everything will have been for naught. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 09 February 2015 - 10:01 PM.

[Metalhead87]

Indeed. It could take years or it might never even happen. I agree with what Pix said earlier. The best we can do for now is to seek out other manga and anime. 

 

This is honestly what's been puzzling me the most about all this. Like you said, Kishi spent 15 years on this story, so why not just see it through to the end and do a proper ending? To me this is like running a marathon and then giving up when you're only a few meters from the goal. Yes it's been incredibly hard and there have probably been times where you just wanted to stop and go home, but if you give up now then everything will have been for naught. 

 

Sounds like a good plan. There is so much manga and anime out there, great ones old and new. Now seems like a good opportunity to explore some of 'em, right?

 

Too true.

Edited by Metalhead87, 09 February 2015 - 10:17 PM.

[Popuri]

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[NarutoUzumaki01]

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But they are right, marks are exactly same.

[Pix]

Wait and see it in Sakura's novel.

 

 

And looking like alot of NS come after that, and even more meaningful moments like Kushina's story, Minato's words, CPR scene. Whole battle where Naruto kept on cheking Sakura's state, yeah... all that is misleading... Then what was true? Kishimoto's lies doesn't change what's already been pictured.

How I view it is like...if you didn't take the time to write it in the manga then it's of no use. It's like Chouji and Kamui getting their own separate novel when they could have easily been explained properly in the main story line. I'm expecting these novels to be just as bad as Final Fantasy XIII novels. (They completely forgot about Serah and Snow's marriage when that was the entire story line of the first d*mn game)  

 

And if Kishimoto planned The Last two years ago when he had too, then all of that, including Minato's words and the CPR scene, were red herring. That much is true. It was all in there to mislead us, when he could have taken the time to actually develop miss underrepresented over there....(Hinata)

[trang95]

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[Swagkura]

I thought it's interesting until I saw its source - https://www.facebook...3063278/?type=1
 
   

It's sad that the theories make more kittening sense than the author's work