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[Luna]

I just can't at NH fans comparing us to Harry x Hermoine. LOL And some of them still believe in the "Hold hands forever" thing. LMAAAO I'm rolling with laughter.

[Sojobo]

I just can't at NH fans comparing us to Harry x Hermoine. LOL And some of them still believe in the "Hold hands forever" thing. LMAAAO I'm rolling with laughter.

They know very well they are loosing their pairing, so they try to act strong and confident on topics.

[六道仙人]

Harry and Hermione? Yeah, it's a pity that Harry never loved romantically Hermione (he even said to Dumbledore that he sees her as a sister) unless a certain blonde guy that we know...

[rocci]

no, they should compare ns with ronxhermione instead. I mean ron is a joker from a red head family who like the smart girl in their group.

[六道仙人]

So Harry is Sasuke? That's really a great shock for me

[rocci]

if we use harry potter comparision then:

1. sasuke is a combination of harry potter popularity and mark by snake + draco arrogance.

2. naruto is what if ron become the main character and his hair turn blonde.

3. sakura is pink hair hermione and fall in love with sasuke 

 

I think.

[Hanabi]

maybe we can see this soon.. with kakashi and a additional minato xD

[Shashank95]

New chapter so good :3 Narusakuness <3

[TacticalFox88]

 

If someone can provide me with complete narrative proof from the last 662 chapters of Naruto, not taking into account any fillers in the slightest, that NaruSaku has had a larger push than NaruHina; based purely on Kishi's writing of the characters, I'll go with you.

But based purely on narrative evidence, ignoring all tropes, filler, cliché's, and god knows what else; NaruHina is where it's at.

You've got 15 years of evidence to find; hop to it.

 

 

[Sojobo]

maybe we can see this soon.. with kakashi and a additional minato xD

Yup, we may have something like that.

[Inferno180]

Oh god, just oh god, I know some people were annoyed by forneverworlds review but dear god, swayer just, oh man.

 

He thinks that Sakura should abandon naruto and go to save Sasuke or that Karin will just go up to sakura and say Sasuke needs you.

 

He also thinks the setup is so that Sakura would die for both of them and would somehow use Chiyos technique to save them both.

 

Also he thinks yes no suprise Hinata should be there by Naruto

 

My reaction:

 

Seriously, Sakura just getting offed in this situation, seriously? He really thinks Sakura is going to die? For what point would that accomplish after so much, really. All I see here from him is just this he hates how sakura is with naruto in a critical moment and just wants her out of the way. He either wants the karin thing he said to occur so Sakura is away from Naruto or for her to do the chiyo stuff despite just so she would die so hinata can then just be the convinent fodder pairing character.

 

So he is asking for everything to stop NS with complete disregard to the whole logic of the situation, the fact that the technique chiyo made died with her, the fact that there is absolutely no purpose for sakura to go to sasuke since she is going with gaara following what kurama told him, and just for the bigger factor , You dont suddenly kill off characters without a purpose. Its like he just wants Sakura to conveniently die so NS cannot happen. Its at this point I ask myself, is he really serious? I mean really really serious? This is a big moment coming up and he thinks its going to lead to Sakuras death? Im not kidding this is the second chapter in a row he thinks Sakura will die. All I see from this is just dear god, how much of sakura did he really brush off as unimportant, seriously. Just what purpose is killing Sakura going to do? Wouldn't this devistate Naruto? Why even bother with the 631 stuff too? Does none of this even process to people like him? I cannot believe how people like him even think, not even pairing oriented, just thinking about this still fries my brain is he really absolutely serious in thinking that Sakura will die with a technique she suddenly learned and uses when there are many other things to keep naruto going? Kuramas plan will save naruto, so what part of this plan involves sakura dying is what I'd like to know, I mean theres a difference in naruto and sasukes condition, naruto lost kurama and the extraction is taking its toll, sasuke has a simple heart wound, it can be healed conventionally. When I debate and I rarely do, I ask people to think for a moment if it even makes sense, how, and what purpose would the action serve?

 

Sawyers review this time is really nothing more than secret code for "I want Sakura to die, I dont care for the story, I just hate her and want her dead, I want NH more than anything, I hate Sakura so much I dont even want her near Naruto, she should just hop off the sand cloud and go to sasuke for no reason other than how she still loves him and cares nothing for naruto (sarcasm)."

 

Just god, just, I'm not trying to bash or anything and this is just my opinion on his review, but damn it swayer, if this is what you really think, just dear god. Theres no point in it just like when he said for kushina to be revived by edo tensei due to the 631 event, its like what purpose on this godly earth would it serve? Kishi could have let tsunade go, he even could have had sakura go to sasuke as disastrous to her character it would have been, hell it could have been good to skip that altogether and just have gaara fly to minato but what purpose does sakura dying serve? It doesnt solve anything! The story ends only if team 7 comes back, geez does anyone even him remember how much naruto focused on sasuke.

 

Literally in the long run the thing that grinds my gears more than anything is when people always say how despite naruto being set on sasuke, they never consider the same to Sakura. Its like how hard is this to process, we all know naruto gives the biggest damns about Sasuke whenever his name is mentioned but so many of those same people suddenly think he will abandon Sakura? Just dear god, does not compute, extreme human error!

 

If I could enlarge my hand to do a facepalm at this I would but dear god if this is what Swayer is going on with his train of thought its just utterly terrible and would make NH truely a disastrous ship only born of not only hardly any development, but also axing 2 well developed characters just so a convenient fodder character can have a love life because she only hoped for it.

 

Un-freaking-believeable. This makes me want to give a response the angry video game nerd would but for the sake of civility and this site I can't, I would call these thoughts something I cannot mention but just god, just god. People still just want Sakura to die...

 

Sasuke can be healed in no time its a simple wound and if Sakura leaves naruto for a moment, its practical that he would die faster. Just dear god, do people not consider that Sakura is the only thing holding naruto to life right now as his large stamina gradually fades? Its probable a simple transfer of dark kurama can solve everything as simple as it sounds, I mean remember how easy the other 6 tailed beasts came out of their edo-jinchurki and the edo jinchurki were unconisous but still around for a bit till the release. Its not hard to image minato being down for a bit but he is an edo tensei right now, he is already dead, he cannot die from the extraction. Just god, this is really one of the worst reviews of any chapter I ever saw, I'm sorry swayer, but with so much else around to save naruto and sasuke, Sakuras death wont solve anything. In fact it would make NH look terrible to occur because both Neji and Sakura died. Thats just wrong. It would be pointless and ax sakura despite how important she is to the story. Some people want to see Sakura gone but thats not going to happen, Im sorry but what kind of ending would it be for only naruto and sasuke to live? Its supposed to be team 7 in the end, regardless of pairings, its only an ending when naruto succeeds and both sakura and sasuke live. just god. I'm glad we have a potential moment coming up but if this is how some fans think, I have no further comments. Least as I said, NS has evidence to keep us busy wondering how it will could rather than debate with other parings.

 

I'm at least looking forward to the kakashi ANBU filler, we may have 2 weeks till next chapter but I'm satisfied with the knowledge of a potential NS moment coming in the next chapter.

[sushi.]

I think Sawyer's argument was pretty good actually. He only considered Karin and Sakura's power, not their role in this situation or relationship with the guys. He should regard that too, but I get why he doesn't because he doesn't care. Besides, NS have predicted Sakura's death too. I don't think he really believes she will remain dead, that would be weird.

 

I haven't watched fornever in a long time though. He's way too..promotional, and says what people want to hear. What did he say? Please answer without bashing him, I just want to know what people are upset about.

Edited by sushi., 22 January 2014 - 06:14 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We know they won't die and if they do, it won't last long, but the event that's taken place is what it counts.

[Superman333]

whoa, this chapter was great . just what I expected from Kishi, and that last page spoke volumes to me, i don't find that last page a coincidence . 

[TouKen4Life3g]

whoa, this chapter was great . just what I expected from Kishi, and that last page spoke volumes to me, i don't find that last page a coincidence . 

That was complete intentional.

[TacticalFox88]

That was complete intentional.

I don't know which is more annoying.

 

1) THe NaruHina fans who try to bullsh** and rationalize how it doesn't symbolize anything 

 

or

 

2)The people who GENUINELY don't ship either pairing (or pairings at all) saying it doesn't symbolize anything at all and pretty much where anti-shipping goggles for the sake of neutrality.

Edited by TacticalFox88, 22 January 2014 - 07:10 PM.

[Superman333]

That was complete intentional.

I already know .

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Just as I thought, I knew Garra would bring Naruto to Sakura. Now, let's see if the second half of my theory will will happen  . Come true regardless if Sakura attemps an advance healing teqnigue. NS is destined to follow the same path as ObiRin (in a good way). Although, I hold nothing against Hinata, it was hilarious that she tried to chase Naruto, fleeing with Sakura and Garra and ends up tripping. I'm not laughing  directly at her (only her fans), but this shows how far beneath NH really is, compared to NS. NS gets to have the last laugh even though highly chances this next NS moment will be tragic.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It pays to be a medic. Irony.

 

Here's a video for you guys. Go to 19:20 for debate.

 

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 January 2014 - 09:19 PM.

[Inferno180]

I think Sawyer's argument was pretty good actually. He only considered Karin and Sakura's power, not their role in this situation or relationship with the guys. He should regard that too, but I get why he doesn't because he doesn't care. Besides, NS have predicted Sakura's death too. I don't think he really believes she will remain dead, that would be weird.

 

I haven't watched fornever in a long time though. He's way too..promotional, and says what people want to hear. What did he say? Please answer without bashing him, I just want to know what people are upset about.

 

Well Sushi, the deal with forneverworld, he just says that the incident with sakura healing naruto, he calls her a "flat-chested crusty ass b-word" and says how Hinata should be alongside naruto in the incident. Basically throwing all rational commentary out the window and just using bias for his description of it. Really moves like this make him have no credibility if this is how he reacts to one character while imposing another.

 

As for what you said, the flaw in Swayers review, in what he thinks is coming, there are just too many holes and inconsistiences.

 

First is on the subject of Sakura actually moving away from Naruto in the situation as he says should happen, really it would prove useless and futile and just plain a waste of time resulting in both naruto and sasuke dying faster.

 

-Sakuras already with Naruto but nearly out of energy herself, if she actually left him, she would have even less energy to expend on sasuke to try and save him.

 

-Sasuke is bleeding out but obviously Gaara and the others don't have knowledge of him, only Karin and presumably Taka does now hearing this from her.

 

-Gaara even making a detour at this point would be even worse for Naruto, by all means only Sakura's remaining energy and his gradually fading stamina are keeping him alive. Essentially beyond that, Naruto doesn't have kurama to autoheal him or support him, its like Naruto is truly vulnerable for the first time without a healing aid of his own.

 

-Karin by all means is in top condition, she hasnt fought, only evaded attacks with Sugestu and orochimaru nearby. Really her knowing of this, its like Swayer didnt think this through, why would Karin go to sakura and make this trip when she is technically fine and in good condition to heal him herself? All they need to do is get to him in a short timespan. Its not like Orochimaru doesnt have healing abilities of his own either, he does. Madara even left him, whatever he is going to do next, he would rather not finish Sasuke off. This trip he predicted would be just unessessary in the long run.

 

- Furthermore, its just plain the difference in wounds, Sasuke got stabbed, its not like a conventional healing will get him up, Karin is fine and in good condition, she just needs a moment with Orochimaru, sugestisu, and jugo to go and retreive sasuke or heal him in place if madara really left. She can heal him, I mean Sasuke could take some of her energy but enough to heal her. Besides, she still cares for the guy even if he has issues and dark motives again, he just isnt physco like he was in the land of iron but Sasuke has taka to support him, Naruto however lost kurama, a great extraction toll on his body, whatever sets him back is most likely minato or something else but all we know is naruto is basically on life support with sakura keeping him alive for the time.

 

On the otherhand, the issue with Sakura dying, I always said it would lead to issues, even a temp death with a rinne tensei on her.

 

In a permadeath on Sakura, we are aware of the issues storywise and how it would just be too disastrous and lackluster for even NH to come by this.

 

Back before Obito was forced to revive madara, some predicted Sakura dying and Obito using it on her, others predicted that naruto would get the rinnegan and use it in anotherway maybe on sakura.

 

Many thought for a long time we would see Sakura, tsunade, or kakashi using chiyos technique and while it did make sense, it really lead to a common inconsistency that really would just be a time waster in some regards, a dual revival. Many have thought Sakura uses Chiyos technique on Naruto and then Obito would use Rinnegan on Sakura, but thats just a timewaster in the long run, it would create drama but be a sense of more repetition delaying the movement of the plot, really just temporary setting Sakura or so on the side.

 

A major problem however was the aspect of the technique even being known, while it has been possible, it just seems too far out there. Yes kishi could just cram it in but it would really be more out of the blue than some saw Sakura forming her own seal.

 

I will say that yes the technique doesnt need to be full use and can be the majority or enough energy to possibly stabilize naruto if it is possible, but other than that theres one key fact,

 

Really the problem is that its a forbidden technique that was made to try and put life into a puppet, but it was also a tensei class jutsu, essentially a lesser version of the rinne tensei, ones own life reincarnation as its called in the west. The issue, this logically means no one else ever learned it or those who did are unknown. The real issue here is, just who would use it? Sakura uses it on Naruto only to come back later herself? Tsunade uses it to open the position of hokage? Kakashi uses it to die with obito? This is why I hate the "Sakura dies for Naruto" Theory, so many of them result in the same condition of some dual revival, in which one she dies and comes back conventionally, its like that that point if obito can fire off another rinnegan, then revive everyone and neji too, not just sakura, but this leads to the other problem of undermining all the stuff the lost of neji did to impact naruto, makes even NH suffer from 615.

 

Its the same deal with tsunade and kakashi dying off like this, I long figure that beyond these events tsunade would step down in regards to the issues of what happened and let naruto and sasuke basically fight for the title rather than off tsunade so conventionally like Swayer is trying to do. Otherwise Kakashi is even harder to believe in this case, he could have learned it but he doesnt have any skill in this type of deal does he? Kakashi cannot just use the technique, besides if it wasn't chakra but life energy, then techinqually the sharigan should not be able to replicate the mechanics of manipulating life energy.

 

Those are the main problems many fans, even NS fans have with these someone using chiyo's technique theories, but under the sakura stuff,

 

-dual revival makes a few issues

-its too conventional and spontaneous for anyone to have knowledge of chiyos technique to use it themselves

-its not sacrifice or development, its the equivalent of a tag out and obito then just picks up and takes the exit slot out of the story by using rinne tensei again (if its even possible).

 

Really next chapter, if anything chiyo related comes up, its most likely her flashback to what she said about bijuu removal, in fact for her other statement about protecting those important to her, it wouldn't be life but something else possibly. I mean she could use the technique in a short amount to save naruto but it really isnt needed especially with this unseen destination they are going too which is a high chance its minato so narutos save is possibly already lying around. Whatever happens in the next chapter or 2, i would not be surprised if its the start of the recovery and by volumes end naruto and sasuke are recovered and all better. But in no point could Sakura die, I mean really, as much as I like NS I dont see Sakura dying to progress it and come back revived by a rinne tensei obito (using it again) as a good way to set the pairing, really if anything sets the pairing, it could be the coming chapters and the time before or after the final naruto vs sasuke battle.

 

The story is in its final phase and one thing I still cannot imagine, I cannot imagine the final fight at all without sakura present, it makes no sense, its like if Hinata truely was present in the final fight despite not even knowing or speaking to sasuke or about the issues, then how could she be releavent here? This was always the biggest weakness of NH, no correlation with Sasuke at all, Hinata and Sasuke basically exist in different dimensions in all purposes, they never interact or even acknowledge each others presence, they never even speak, just exist in the same releative space, and even then thats rare. I can name only 3 times they shared space, the intro in the classroom, the chunin exam preliminary building, and the battlefield when he comes in 631-632.

 

I like NS but I highly disagree with anyone who made these Sakura dies for naruto stuff, the whole concept of a dual revival serves little to no purpose and just seems unnessessary, if Obito revives someone, he should do everyone, even those not killed by him, Nagato was able to do that, revive all those killed, even by konan in the attack on the leaf. At this point I honestly think its better said that Sakura will live regardless and Neji and all those other 40,000 or so ninja are gone for good. Sad but true in my opinion, it shouldn't conventionally fall upon sakura only, or just have her die for good and leave NH as the most convinent pairing despite all the other written stuff with NS having development and easily identifiable foreshadow between 506-508 and with 631 building on it.

 

These theories of Sakura dying, they are just too conventional and well a waste of time in my opinion, the purposes they serve can be easily replaced with a method as many are thinking, just have minato use dark kurama to revive him, sakura just lives, and sasuke gets healed by karin or orochimaru. I hate these theories of sakura dying because there already exists stuff to render it unnessessary or those which have no real explaination, only sudden reveals that would say how she got it in a flashback. Its would really be more of what people have been complaining about for a long time, kishi going too slow, inserting new stuff suddenly, and making things more boggled up even not talking about pairings. Many thought Madaras tailed beast event would be the same fight we saw this past year, again, but with him. Others were not enthusiastic about Hashirama suddenly having something he could use on Madara and not a shocker giving it to sasuke.

 

Thats that I mean, this is why I dont like the Sakura dies for naruto theroies, as far as Im concerned, Im predicting sakura is fine, just tired and wounded and still trying to save naruto until they get to that area they need to be, and that area I assume is minato able to leave while leaving kakashi able to handle Black Zetsu with Obito resisting.