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#13401 Ether

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:37 AM

Those were fake spoilers.

I know, that's why I said "if SS fans have any say". That's obviously a fantasy of theirs.


Edited by Ether, 23 November 2014 - 02:37 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:37 AM

In that leaked storyboard, Hinata is once again focusing on Naruto. Can we have a scene where she isn't being pairing fodder, or is that too much to ask?


But Hinata being so infatuated gives NH fanboys a hard-on. ;) Have to keep her looking devoted and obsessed.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:46 AM

I know, that's why I said "if SS fans have any say". That's obviously a fantasy of theirs.

 

Sasuke never cared about Karin and SS never depended on anything but Sasuke. It was never like NH, that needed SS (even the interview with Kishimoto implies this). So it doesn't matter if Karin is alive or dead.

 

I brushed shoulders with some big SS fans in the past because some of them are big Sakura fans. It wasn't Karin they were threatened about. It was if Sakura would look at Naruto differently or if Sasuke died for his redemption.

 

 

But Hinata being so infatuated gives NH fanboys a hard-on. ;) Have to keep her looking devoted and obsessed.

 

Best girl and waifu material. It's sad that some guys feel so insecure about chicks having their own lives. Well, they'll never be in the best league, so that gives me more space.


Edited by shisui, 23 November 2014 - 02:48 AM.


#13404 Aizen-Sama

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:49 AM

 
Sasuke never cared about Karin and SS never depended on anything but Sasuke. It was never like NH, that needed SS (even the interview with Kishimoto implies this). So it doesn't matter if Karin is alive or dead.
 
I brushed shoulders with some big SS fans in the past because some of them are big Sakura fans. It wasn't Karin they were threatened about. It was if Sakura would look at Naruto differently or if Sasuke died for his redemption.
 
 
 
Best girl and waifu material. It's sad that some guys feel so insecure about chicks having their own lives. Well, they'll never be in the best league, so that gives me more space.


Oh yes Karin was never a threat to SS. It was Sasuke dying or Sakura loving Naruto back.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:56 AM

The fight with Killer Bee disagrees with you.  No one has seen Sasuke care about someone else in a long time during that fight.


Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 23 November 2014 - 02:56 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:10 AM

Sasuke never cared about Karin and SS never depended on anything but Sasuke. It was never like NH, that needed SS (even the interview with Kishimoto implies this). So it doesn't matter if Karin is alive or dead.

 

I brushed shoulders with some big SS fans in the past because some of them are big Sakura fans. It wasn't Karin they were threatened about. It was if Sakura would look at Naruto differently or if Sasuke died for his redemption.

Lol, this isn't about Karin being a threat to SS. It's about her just existing, they hate her guts (because Sakura is oh so much better). In fact, an Anti-Karin/Anti-SK FC was created on NF the very day she was introduced.


Edited by Ether, 23 November 2014 - 03:10 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:10 AM

The fight with Killer Bee disagrees with you.  No one has seen Sasuke care about someone else in a long time during that fight.

I agree that Sasuke cared for Karin during that time because they were teammates. Sasuke can care for people when they are officially working as a team and on the same side.

But I think what shisui and Aizen-sama is saying is that it was never romantic. Hence, she's not a threat, she's like Suigetsu or Juugo.
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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:16 AM

Lol, this isn't about Karin being a threat to SS. It's about her just existing, they hate her guts (because Sakura is oh so much better). In fact, an Anti-Karin/Anti-SK FC was created on NF the very day she was introduced.


So SS fangirls still want Karin to die eh? They're probably mad because Salad wears glasses like Karin or something. XD So pathetic.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:21 AM

I agree that Sasuke cared for Karin during that time because they were teammates. Sasuke can care for people when they are officially working as a team and on the same side.

But I think what shisui and Aizen-sama is saying is that it was never romantic. Hence, she's not a threat, she's like Suigetsu or Juugo.

Karin purpose is to pair up with sasuke, if NS become canon.
But then kishi drop this idea just like he retcon naruto feeling.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:30 AM

Karin purpose is to pair up with sasuke, if NS become canon.
But then kishi drop this idea just like he retcon naruto feeling.

That's what it appeared to be. I mean it felt like retcon began during the whole saving the heroes aspect. Feels like it's time to change. I mean hell, the movie announcement occurred when the fight is almost done. But who knows.

#13411 rocci

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:37 AM

That's what it appeared to be. I mean it felt like retcon began during the whole saving the heroes aspect. Feels like it's time to change. I mean hell, the movie announcement occurred when the fight is almost done. But who knows.

I don't understand with saving the heroes aspect.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:41 AM

The fight with Killer Bee disagrees with you.  No one has seen Sasuke care about someone else in a long time during that fight.

 

Why, because Sasuke thought of Sakura? That is the only time Sasuke is shown to give a crap about Karin, by comparing her and the rest of Taka. Sorry, if Sasuke cared so much, he would have compared them with his family, not a reflection of team 7. He discarded them, he didn't cut his bonds with them. Karin was just a tool.

 

Lol, this isn't about Karin being a threat to SS. It's about her just existing, they hate her guts (because Sakura is oh so much better). In fact, an Anti-Karin/Anti-SK FC was created on NF the very day she was introduced.

 

But Sakura is better than Karin. Do you dispute this? Sakura was better from the moment the Karin showed up, she wasn't Orochimaru's subordinate and keeping people in prison against their will.

 

Sorry, but I truly hate SasuKarin, and you don't need to be an SS fan to hate it.

 

Karin purpose is to pair up with sasuke, if NS become canon.
But then kishi drop this idea just like he retcon naruto feeling.

 

Sasuke could have stayed alone or paired with the cat lady's grand daughter. Sasuke never wanted Karin and was disgusted by her whenever she got close to him.


Edited by shisui, 23 November 2014 - 03:43 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:50 AM

But Sakura is better than Karin. Do you dispute this? Sakura was better from the moment the Karin showed up, she wasn't Orochimaru's subordinate and keeping people in prison against their will.

Yes, because she actually ended up with the abusing a**hole, therefore negating all her development and any credibility as a heroine she had left. That makes her worse by default.

 

At least Karin got an explanation for her liking Sasuke (a bad one, but at least Kishi tried there). All Sakura ever got was "love doesn't need a reason".

 

Sorry, but I truly hate SasuKarin, and you don't need to be an SS fan to hate it.

So do I, it's not like I wanted SS 2.0 to happen either. Sasuke should have ended up dead, which is what he deserved for betraying everyone who ever cared about him.


Edited by Ether, 23 November 2014 - 04:03 AM.


#13414 rocci

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:51 AM

Sasuke will not stay alone, he will pair with someone be it sakura, Karin or ino.

The heavy use of generation in this manga indicate that the ending gonna have pairing. The biggest candidate for sasuke is sakura after that Karin. I always foresee that ino will pair with chouji or sai.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:51 AM

Yeah there was a time when I used to like SK but not anymore lol. I feel it's hypocritical as a person who constantly criticizes SasuSaku (which...don't hate me...I think is slightly better. If only because Sasuke's asspull apology was genuine. Still F-ed up though)
As I said before I think Sasuke would've been best alone. It's not like he needs anyone and not everyone has to be paired up.
Oops nevermind. Sasuke is Kishi's golden boy. Of course he has to be paired up! Even if it contradicts his personality. XD

I'm just mad that Neji never got Tenten! >.< Thanks to kittening NH...

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 23 November 2014 - 03:53 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:51 AM

 

 

Sasuke could have stayed alone or paired with the cat lady's grand daughter. Sasuke never wanted Karin and was disgusted by her whenever she got close to him.

 

Karin's character didn't help too

 after he almost killed her, I had a glimmer of hope

"maybe we are finally gonna see someone mature and move on from the sauce!" "maybe naruto and karin could talk about their ancestry and kitten" 

 

but no...kishi actually regressed her character made her even worse...just like he did with sakura in the end 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 03:55 AM

About this new generation crap...we shouldn't have got it.

Let them be created by the fans headcanons !

In the epilogue we should have got an epic shot of Naruto becoming hokage and taking a photo with team 7 or the K11  or something like that !

 

There were absolutely no need for those creepy ass children to appear! Their only function was to serve as marketing for part 3


Edited by Nar123, 23 November 2014 - 04:01 AM.

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#13418 rocci

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 04:00 AM

@nar
Sadly that's how the ending that I always foresee.
Baby ever after is naruto ending.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 04:02 AM

About this new generatin crap...we shouldn't have got it.
Let them be created by the fans headcanons !
In the epilogue we should have got an epic shot of Naruto becoming hokage and taking a photo with team 7 or the K11  or something like that !
 
There were absolutely no need for those creepy ass children to appear! Their only function was to serve as marketing for part 3


Exactly. Quality writing leaves readers to wonder about the end and have their own interpretations. Even JKR didn't continue a series about Harry's kids despite fans pleas and HP is a hell of a more successful series than Naruto.
This is all just marketing and money-hunger coming from SP and Kishi. Keep the series going to get more money and forget about the story's quality.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 04:05 AM

@nar
Sadly that's how the ending that I always foresee.
Baby ever after is naruto ending.

True

if this is the ending kishi envisioned like 8 years ago ...he is a total bad writer  :hm:

 

Exactly. Quality writing leaves readers to wonder about the end and have their own interpretations. Even JKR didn't continue a series about Harry's kids despite fans pleas and HP is a hell of a more successful series than Naruto.
This is all just marketing and money-hunger coming from SP and Kishi. Keep the series going to get more money and forget about the story's quality.

 

Couldn't agree more. SJ is gonna try to milk the naruto series for all its worth

My only desire is that this part 3 turns out to be a failure  :pimp:


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