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[tricksie]

To jump on the flawed backstory bandwagon, I remember being miffed when we learned that Genma and the other two nins (Hatake, I think, and I can't remember the other) were Minato's elite bodyguards. The more they delve into Minato's backstory, the larger the circle of people becomes who should've stepped into Naruto's life. They knew Minato and Kushina intimately enough that there would have been no stigma in reaching out to their son who was sacrificed for the safety of the village. 

 

I think it's definitely a plot flaw on Kishi's part bu it requires suspension of belief on the reader's part to get over. It worked in the beginning, but as the backstory was explained, it just doesn't make sense for Naruto to be so hated, so unloved, so neglected, when there were clearly people who should have stepped up. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To jump on the flawed backstory bandwagon, I remember being miffed when we learned that Genma and the other two nins (Hatake, I think, and I can't remember the other) were Minato's elite bodyguards. The more they delve into Minato's backstory, the larger the circle of people becomes who should've stepped into Naruto's life. They knew Minato and Kushina intimately enough that there would have been no stigma in reaching out to their son who was sacrificed for the safety of the village. 
 
I think it's definitely a plot flaw on Kishi's part bu it requires suspension of belief on the reader's part to get over. It worked in the beginning, but as the backstory was explained, it just doesn't make sense for Naruto to be so hated, so unloved, so neglected, when there were clearly people who should have stepped up.

Just to add more facts to you, Shikamaru's father knew that Naruto was Minato's son and even Chouza but i remember a chapter were they tell both Shikamaru and Chouji to not get close to Naruto.
I dont remember which chapter but for some reason this scene is on my mind.
I dont know if it's on anime or on the manga.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 January 2014 - 11:27 PM.

[sushi.]

Just to add more facts to you, Shikamaru's father knew that Naruto was Minato's son and even Chouza but i remember a chapter were they tell both Shikamaru and Chouji to not get close to Naruto.
I dont remember which chapter but for some reason this scene is on my mind.
I dont know if it's on anime or on the manga.

I think that's anime, because I think Shikaku was the only one who didn't say those things. He let Shikamaru choose.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think that's anime, because I think Shikaku was the only one who didn't say those things. He let Shikamaru choose.

Yep it was on anime, anyway i think with Naruto's background it would be more sense that instead of wanting to be kage he would seek for his own happiness and to change the fate of the other's jinchuurikis, it was badly done with him being like him making a "promise" to the bijuu's and "oh wow he's the next sage of six paths."
it's like his jinchuuriki's fate doesnt play a major role on his character, i fact it's like Kishi made Naruto's background and story to go one route but he decided to go another route without proper development.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 January 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Again explain me this could Minato with his body/chakra contain the Kyuubi become its Jinchuuriki ? The difference is every Jinchuriki has to be compatible with  the Bijuu to be able to contain it or if he isn't he dies and the Bijuu runs free as it was shown in the manga and only the Uzumaki's were able to contain/suppress  the Kyuubi's chakra cus of their life force and chakra   no other than them .

The manga doesnt show this, you're just theorizing, uzumakis were not the only ones who can hold bijuu's, Minato is not one of them and can control perfectly Kurama's chakra, he was tired on that time because he just sealed the kyuubi whitin him.
Moreover other characters like gaara and bee who has nothing to do with Uzumaki are also able to hold it.
This excuse that the kyuubi would roam free has no canon backup on the manga, you're picking a possible scenario that could happen with Rin but has no reason to stand since it also can be a jutsu and we know that some sealing jutsus can be activated remotely like the one Danzou used to paralyze Sasuke temporary.
 

The seals other than SF wouldn't kill the Jinchuuriki it's the force of the Bijuu if they couldn't suppress it that would have killed them as i said this was shown in the manga that is way only an a Uzumaki could be the host of the Kyuubi .

It's shown on the very same manga that the kyuubi belonged to the cloud village before it perhaps had other jinchuurikis or not, but it was never stated that only uzumakis were capable of holding the kyuubi.
Proof is that Minato being an Edo Tensei is capable of using the kyuubi chakra just like Naruto.
 

Minato wasn't suitable to be the host of the Kyuubi as i have showed you he would have died sooner or later that's way he sealed it in Naruto cus of Naruto's Uzumaki's chakra life force within him , the SF enabled him to prevent the Kyuubi from coming back after he dies since it seals the user and victim in the SF belly for eternity in a non stop battle .

If he was suitable or not for the kyuubi i could not care less but there was no reason to use SF, and Kushina proves this by saying "why the shiki fuuin"
it explains by itself, Minato did the SF for Kushina to have her chance to meet Naruto afterwards.
This whole kyuubi from coming back i showed it on the asnwer above.
 

Again he didn't use the SF just to seal Kushina's chakra in Naruto he did it so he could divide the Kyuubi's chakra so it could fit in Naruto  preventing the other half that he wasn't suitable to contained it from coming back and destroying the village and his son with it
 , he didn't seal the Kyuubi within Naruto with the SF read the chapter and you will see that for that and for the sealing of Kushina's chakra in Naruto he used a different seal the eight trigramas seal . 

If that's the purpose, then Kushina could have done it by herself she wasnt a jinchuuriki anymore and she could have used it
In fact there's no reason for Minato to have used SF other than forcibly making Naruto an orphan.
the purpose was the solely fact that with SF he could seal Kushina's chakra whitin Naruto and she says it clear on the same page you provided.

     
 
 

Hiruzen was late to the party what was he supposed to do wait for the Kyuubi to free himself from the chains that Kushina barely hold on to  and killed them all(which he did for a little bit) that's way the barrier was set for so the Kyuubi can't go on a rampage in the whole village if he set himself free .
Come on men you are being to unfair and unjust toward Minato everything he did was nothing but heroic .  
About the EDO LOL no comment on that one  Oh! and you don't need just a body for that but a body with soul in it .

For some reason if Hiruzen was there obviously Kurama would not have killed Minato and Kushina with his finger anyway.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 January 2014 - 12:57 AM.

[Inferno180]

Is the chapter this week Tuesday or wendsday.

[rocci]

naruto is a jinchuriki and the strongest one.

he is a walking nuke that obliterate konoha and ready to blow.

I think because of that people of konoha hate him and at the same time fear him.

they didn't care if he is hero son or something(speculation btw)

in order for jinchuriki to gain respect, they need to prove it.

 

@inferno

as ussual wednesday I believe.

Edited by rocci, 20 January 2014 - 02:50 AM.

[FireFox]

The manga doesnt show this, you're just theorizing, uzumakis were not the only ones who can hold bijuu's, Minato is not one of them and can control perfectly Kurama's chakra, he was tired on that time because he just sealed the kyuubi whitin him.
Moreover other characters like gaara and bee who has nothing to do with Uzumaki are also able to hold it.
This excuse that the kyuubi would roam free has no canon backup on the manga, you're picking a possible scenario that could happen with Rin but has no reason to stand since it also can be a jutsu and we know that some sealing jutsus can be activated remotely like the one Danzou used to paralyze Sasuke temporary.

Then please explain why did Kushina was brought to the village to be the Kyuubi's Jinchuuriki after another Uzumaki  for what purpose if Minato or anybody could contain it , and i didn't said that nobody can be a Bijuu but Kyuubi host and show me were Gara and Bee are able to contain the fox they are only able with their own beasts . And no i'm not theorizing canon evidence Bee's uncle(and those before him) didn't he died because he wasn't able to contain the Hachibi after some time it was sealed in him he mentions this to A the same would have happened  to Rin the seal can hold on for some time but if her chakra and body aren't able to suppress the Bijuu's chakra than it  would have release it on his own , the seal on Rin was controlling only when and were they were gonna release it before it happens on its own. The manga clearly says that only those who are able to suppress the Bijuus chakra are able to become a Jinchuriki as it was stated for Naruto that it was his strong chakra (Uzumaki) he was able to contain the Kyuubi despite the seal . If anybody could become Jinchuriki for the Kyuubi then why bring a Uzumaki ?  The Bee and his cousin case should be enough evidence plus they said they were trying find a suitable host but they couldn't cus they weren't fit for the Hachi since they sooner or later died . And Minato wasn't tired cus.he just sealed him but cus the Fox's chakra was to heavy for him that he could barely breath it's as clear as day don't know why you are twisting it ?  (http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html) . Oh and here is your evidence that if Minato dies with it the Kyuubi would return later (http://www.mangapand...hapter-503.html)

 

 
It's shown on the very same manga that the kyuubi belonged to the cloud village before it perhaps had other jinchuurikis or not, but it was never stated that only uzumakis were capable of holding the kyuubi.
Proof is that Minato being an Edo Tensei is capable of using the kyuubi chakra just like Naruto.
 

Again EDO tensei Minato who doesn't feel pain this is hardly an evidence that he actually can in his body , and if any one can be its Jinchu than tell me why the cloud never sealed it in anyone of their own people ? And it was stated by Kushina how many Jinchus the Kyuubi had first being Mito then her after Mito's death . Minato doesn't feel the restriction now of its chakra like he would in his real body cus EDO doesn't allow you to feel pain and there is evidence for this . It was never stated that only an Uzumaki can be it host yes but it was also shown no other then them was in "real life" why ? 

 

 
If he was suitable or not for the kyuubi i could not care less but there was no reason to use SF, and Kushina proves this by saying "why the shiki fuuin"
it explains by itself, Minato did the SF for Kushina to have her chance to meet Naruto afterwards.
This whole kyuubi from coming back i showed it on the asnwer above.

 

If that's the purpose, then Kushina could have done it by herself she wasnt a jinchuuriki anymore and she could have used it
In fact there's no reason for Minato to have used SF other than forcibly making Naruto an orphan.
the purpose was the solely fact that with SF he could seal Kushina's chakra whitin Naruto and she says it clear on the same page you provided.
 

He sealed Kushina's chakra and his own with the eight trigrams seal the SF was to divide the Kyuubi in half so it can fit Naruto and then seal him with the eight trigrams in Naruto here is your evidence (http://www.mangapand...hapter-503.html) right from Minato's mouth this's his plan . Now can you put it to rest already.

And i explained it also above that he would with actual evidence/links you on the other hand haven't give me anything but i'll put it again here  (http://www.mangapand...hapter-503.html).

 

Come on Dude  really now Kushina's at fault now why ? do you have evidence that even after extraction a Jinchu can use that seal , did she had the strength to pull it of after everything she has been thru have you taken that into your consideration not to mention that she was already restraining the Kyuubi with her chakra chains she's not a god you know  . About Minato's purpose with the SF i think i was clear enough as was he as i stated above . I think we can put this Minato&Kushina are guilty bs to the rest now don't you think so ?      

 

      
For some reason if Hiruzen was there obviously Kurama would not have killed Minato and Kushina with his finger anyway.

Well blame it on him for being late not on Minato and Kushina taking precocious to protect their baby from the Kyuubi rage that's all i got to say on this.

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 20 January 2014 - 03:17 AM.

[FireFox]

naruto is a jinchuriki and the strongest one.

he is a walking nuke that obliterate konoha and ready to blow.

I think because of that people of konoha hate him and at the same time fear him.

they didn't care if he is hero son or something(speculation btw)

in order for jinchuriki to gain respect, they need to prove it.

 

@inferno

as ussual wednesday I believe.

Thank you @rocci this is very much true not to mention that in him was the beast that previously  destroyed their home and killed some of their loved ones .   

[Superman333]

yeah it sort of came to mind that the vilagers didn't see Naruto Uzumaki, all they saw in Naruto was Kyuubi's vessel, and the fact that Kyuubi could emerge at anytime, they was most likely blinded by this. Therefore it created a internal fear and most likely they was more scared and that created hate. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

yeah it sort of came to mind that the vilagers didn't see Naruto Uzumaki, all they saw in Naruto was Kyuubi's vessel, and the fact that Kyuubi could emerge at anytime, they was most likely blinded by this. Therefore it created a internal fear and most likely they was more scared and that created hate.

Hiruzen prevented the people from knowing Naruto was the son of the previous hokage and hero of the village.
They hated Naruto and to explain this look at Iruka, Iruka also hated Naruto because the kyuubi killed his parents, a lot of people died during the kyuubi's assault which is shown on the very first episode of Naruto.
They hated him because of it, there were people who prefered to ignore Naruto existence than hate him but most of them hated Naruto and persecute him.
Which include merchants refusing to sell goods to Naruto and etc...
 If they knew that Naruto was the son of the fourth hokage it all would change, they would saw him as the Uzumaki Naruto son of the fourth hokage and like them he lose his parents and was an orphan in order to protect the village, he would be loved and protected by the villagers.

naruto is a jinchuriki and the strongest one.
he is a walking nuke that obliterate konoha and ready to blow.
I think because of that people of konoha hate him and at the same time fear him.
they didn't care if he is hero son or something(speculation btw)
in order for jinchuriki to gain respect, they need to prove it.

That justify why people ignore him but the hate doesnt justify, the hate was because the kyuubi killed a lot of people, certainly they wanted to kill Naruto but he was protected by Konoha ninjas due to hokage's orders.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 January 2014 - 09:12 AM.

[TacticalFox88]

Hiruzen should've just not told ANYONE who the Jinchuuriki was. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hiruzen should've just not told ANYONE who the Jinchuuriki was.

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

we have the winner!

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 January 2014 - 10:14 AM.

[Dkey]

Hiruzen prevented the people from knowing Naruto was the son of the previous hokage and hero of the village.
They hated Naruto and to explain this look at Iruka, Iruka also hated Naruto because the kyuubi killed his parents, a lot of people died during the kyuubi's assault which is shown on the very first episode of Naruto.
They hated him because of it, there were people who prefered to ignore Naruto existence than hate him but most of them hated Naruto and persecute him.
Which include merchants refusing to sell goods to Naruto and etc...
 If they knew that Naruto was the son of the fourth hokage it all would change, they would saw him as the Uzumaki Naruto son of the fourth hokage and like them he lose his parents and was an orphan in order to protect the village, he would be loved and protected by the villagers.

That justify why people ignore him but the hate doesnt justify, the hate was because the kyuubi killed a lot of people, certainly they wanted to kill Naruto but he was protected by Konoha ninjas due to hokage's orders.

 

 

 

Naruto would still had suffered even if one or if Hiruzen Jiraya or Kakashi would have been there for him.

 

the story fits even if it doesn't make sense in the long run.

 

Naruto or the children didn't knew of his past parents or his status as a jinchuriki so he could make friends.

Even if Naruto had an adult to fall back on he would still not  know what a true parent is hence this lack of involvement in Naruto's early life from Hiruzen and Jiraya or other characters.

And lastly there isn't any bond that is formed because of Naruto's heritage. Even if Jiraya took an interest in helping Naruto trained a lot of his relationship to him is because of Naruto and not because of his parents. Never did Jiraya said he is doing what he is doing for Naruto because of Minato but because he liked his determination.

[BlueStarSaber]

Hiruzen should've just not told ANYONE who the Jinchuuriki was. 

 

Well it would leave people wondering what happened to the nine tails.

[sushi.]

 

 

 

Naruto would still had suffered even if one or if Hiruzen Jiraya or Kakashi would have been there for him.

 

the story fits even if it doesn't make sense in the long run.

 

Naruto or the children didn't knew of his past parents or his status as a jinchuriki so he could make friends.

Even if Naruto had an adult to fall back on he would still not  know what a true parent is hence this lack of involvement in Naruto's early life from Hiruzen and Jiraya or other characters.

And lastly there isn't any bond that is formed because of Naruto's heritage. Even if Jiraya took an interest in helping Naruto trained a lot of his relationship to him is because of Naruto and not because of his parents. Never did Jiraya said he is doing what he is doing for Naruto because of Minato but because he liked his determination.

I think that is kinda the purpose of this. Naruto started with literally nothing, he earned everything he's got. He never got anything for free. His lack of bitterness is not realistic and it makes the adults a bunch of kitten, but it just strengthens the 'never give up' message even more. I'm sure many people can see themselves in Naruto, and instead of responding with bitterness and anger, we should do like him.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think that is kinda the purpose of this. Naruto started with literally nothing, he earned everything he's got. He never got anything for free. His lack of bitterness is not realistic and it makes the adults a bunch of a**holes, but it just strengthens the 'never give up' message even more. I'm sure many people can see themselves in Naruto, and instead of responding with bitterness and anger, we should do like him.

The only thing i see myself into Naruto is on the love aspect but the never give up it's kind of a fairy tail, his never give up to be realistic would be for another route on which he woud put a search for happiness and to save the jinchuuriki and fight for their happiness aswell, fighting off to create a world where he will be accepted regardless his status as a jinchuuriki.
In fact Naruto tried to run away from his anger and bitterness the whole manga instead of accepting it and use it to do something off positive, which only happened further during the waterfall of truth with "forgive and forget".
Also even when Naruto saved a village, i wished for a scene when the villagers apologizing to Naruto.
That was a scene on which it was needed not to just congratulate him as a hero and forgive and forget.
His dream to be hokage doesnt have a solid explanation due to his screwed background.

Shippuuden started on this direction, Naruto learned about there were more other people like him his fate, and with an arc focused on this.
During that Sakura learns about Naruto's pain and his fate aswell, in the end on Gaara's death, he questions why he's hated, why people cant accept him and etc...
THat was a meaningfull moment but it was all screwed when Sasuke was introduced afterwards and instead of Naruto going further on that road to create a better world his path got summarized to chasing Sasuke.
And being honest the quality of the story decreased a lot for me when they came back with the info about Sasuke.
Sakura started being careless again and had her role decreased a lot, Naruto became a kid who only raged and scenes of doubtfull purposes like "Sasuke is not yours" and etc...
During the training of Rasenshuriken he wanted to be strong just because he wanted to caught up with Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 January 2014 - 03:00 PM.

[Superman333]

I relate to Naruto because Im in love with a girl who is in love with somebody else but I'll never give up on her and my love for her keeps getting stronger I believe I'll earn her love someday and make my her my everything . And I never give up , I believe l dreams can be achieved no matter what it is I don't give up on anything that I want and have to do. Naruto's never give up nindo isn't a fairy tail at all, you just got to have the will to finish what you start no matter what it is .

Edited by Superman333, 20 January 2014 - 05:19 PM.

[sindy]

いやぁ今日のジャンプすげー熱かったですね…！
NARUTO超おもしれぇぇぇ
次号はNARUTOが巻頭カラーなので普段コミックス派の
方もぜひ表紙だけでもみてくださいね＞＜ｂｂｂｂｂ
はああNARUTOが表紙だといつもテンションあがる～～！！！！！
ナルティ情報も七班で嬉しかったっす＾ワ＾
サクラちゃんがりりしくてめっちゃかっこいい！！！！！
ナルトとサスケの合体奥義もすごくうれしいのに
七班合体奥義も見れるなど…；ワ；ありがとうサイコネ様！！！
さすがに今日はジャンプ感想描くので気になる方だけ
追記へどうぞ＾＾
ちょっと仕事が２月頭までど修羅場のため睡眠時間を
削れないので短いですが！（ていって短くかけたことなどないですが！）


そしてそして！！！！！！！！
NARUTO検定第二弾！
カカシ検定！！！！！！！！！
ででででん！

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一問たりとも間違える気がしねぇってばよ！！！！！！！！！！！
今回は成績優秀者に鈴木さんのオリジナルカカシイラストが届くと
きいて今から準備運動はじめてます、
鈴木さんのカカシ先生えええええええええええええええええええ。
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しかしこれカカシ検定ときたら次はサスケ検定サクラ検定もあるんですかね？？
サスケ検定はぜひ山下神のオリジナルサスケイラストでここはひとつ…ｿﾜｿﾜ
いやでも山下さんのサスケ贈呈とかになって抽選あぶれたら血の涙が
でそうなのでいっそないほうがましかもしれない…（心が狭い）
めっちゃ楽しみですね！＾ワ＾
今週のアニナルは一時間SPなのでいつもより３０分はやい
７時から放送です！みなさんお見逃しなく！
私は残念ながら録画組ですがジャンフェスでながれたカカシ暗部編PVも
見れるそうですよ*＾＾*

 

 

can anyone translate this !?

Edited by sindy, 20 January 2014 - 06:28 PM.

[Atheck]

From what Google's limited and inefficient translation service can provide...

 

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And also very happy to combine mystery of Naruto and Sasuke

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Come to postscript ^ ^

Work is sleep time for the soil to shambles February head a little

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Deden in in !

 

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We start from the warm-up now to hear ,

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Edited by Atheck, 20 January 2014 - 06:33 PM.