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[Miss Soupy]

As far as het pairings go, NaruSaku is only below SasuSaku in popularity XD

[Quinny52]

^ Is that due to Sasuke's popularity in Japan, or the sudden love/obsession/demand for angsty romances worldwide or both, because I just can't understand how SS could be popular anywhere, nevermind Kishi's target audience. Is it because of this belief that Sakura will rescue Sasuke from the darkness with her undying love? Because the end of the last arc killed any chance of that, seeing as how Sasuke showed just how much/little he values Sakura as a person in his life.

I just don't know what people could possibly see in it.

[Gravenimage]

^ Is that due to Sasuke's popularity in Japan, or the sudden love/obsession/demand for angsty romances worldwide or both, because I just can't understand how SS could be popular anywhere, nevermind Kishi's target audience. Is it because of this belief that Sakura will rescue Sasuke from the darkness with her undying love? Because the end of the last arc killed any chance of that, seeing as how Sasuke showed just how much/little he values Sakura as a person in his life.

I just don't know what people could possibly see in it.

I hear you quinny Sasuke tried to kill Sakura twice during 483-484 and he didn't even hesitated to kill her, he just charged at her about to stab her with chidori and then he was about to cut her throat with her own poisoned kunai. I do know that those two chapters were Kishi's way of killing SS for good or any chances of becoming canon ever.

[Toasty Warrior]

That reminds me, I got a flame pm in my inbox today on FanFiction.net and it was from an SS fan saying that despite all your writing of NaruSaku fics, it's all in vein since in the end, Sasuke will come to his senses and Sakura will come running back to him and forgive him... I'd go more into detail, but the amount of fail he or she wrote was hilarious, I guess there is still rabid fans out there...

[Miss Soupy]

^ Is that due to Sasuke's popularity in Japan, or the sudden love/obsession/demand for angsty romances worldwide or both, because I just can't understand how SS could be popular anywhere, nevermind Kishi's target audience. Is it because of this belief that Sakura will rescue Sasuke from the darkness with her undying love? Because the end of the last arc killed any chance of that, seeing as how Sasuke showed just how much/little he values Sakura as a person in his life.

I just don't know what people could possibly see in it.

I'm only talking about the Japanese fandom. Western fandom isn't important.

As to why it's so popular, I'm gonna have to guess it is for the angst more than anything. Angst + brooding dark guy = popular.

[Gravenimage]

That reminds me, I got a flame pm in my inbox today on FanFiction.net and it was from an SS fan saying that despite all your writing of NaruSaku fics, it's all in vein since in the end, Sasuke will come to his senses and Sakura will come running back to him and forgive him... I'd go more into detail, but the amount of fail he or she wrote was hilarious, I guess there is still rabid fans out there...

Kishi likes writing his Naruto manga with realism Sakura falling in love with Sasuke again and he regaining his senses falling in love with Sakura just like that is something that only happens in a cheap fairy tale. Naruto is a shonen manga the main protagonist always gets what he wants in the end.

I highly doubt Kishi has read or watch the Twilight saga.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 August 2010 - 10:25 PM.

[Insurrection]

I'm only talking about the Japanese fandom. Western fandom isn't important.

As to why it's so popular, I'm gonna have to guess it is for the angst more than anything. Angst + brooding dark guy = popular.

Last few Sasuke chapters we had though it's almost as if Kishi showed why it's not always a good thing to be the dark brooding angst guy though.

Naruto and Sasuke could be said to have switched from where they were in the beginning, in a perceptual sense. Positive and Negative conotation of sorts, I mean we know what the village thinks of Naruto now, but we never know their opinion on Sasuke. I don't know what I'm trying to say here beyond the fact that I think Kishi is trying to show why being Sasuke isn't such a great thing to idolize.

Edited by Insurrection, 31 August 2010 - 10:20 PM.

[Toasty Warrior]

Kishi like writing his Naruto manga with realism Sakura falling in love with Sasuke again and he regaining his senses falling in love with Sakura just like that is something that only happens in a cheap fairy tale. Naruto is a shonen manga the main protagonist always gets what he wants in the end.

I highly doubt Kishi has read or watch the Twilight saga.

I know exactly, but anyway I just did the nice thing and replied back to he or she by saying, sure whatever floats your boat...

[Miss Soupy]

Last few Sasuke chapters we had though it's almost as if Kishi showed why it's not always a good thing to be the dark brooding angst guy though. I mean that's why Naruto and Sasuke are opposites aren't they?

Naruto and Sasuke could be said to have switched from where they were in the beginning. Naruto as the great prodigy and Sasuke the demon.

Yeah, I don't think it is liked for its healthiness to be honest. Even on his good days Sasuke was only semi-decent to Sakura. But that reminds me of another reason why it might be liked, which is the opposites attract sentiments. While I am a fan of this at times, Sasuke never showed he was moved by how Sakura acted. Usually in a pairing like that, the good side helps bring out something in the troubled side of the pairing. Sakura never had that influence on Sasuke, Naruto did.

[maliousdei]

hey guys, do you think it's ok that naruto and sakura have bonded so much during sasuke's absence?

[Dreamer]

hey guys, do you think it's ok that naruto and sakura have bonded so much during sasuke's absence?

Yeah, why not? They have developed a romantic and better relationship which also helped them get over Sasuke's absence at sometimes anyways.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 02 September 2010 - 01:01 AM.

[tricksie]

hey guys, do you think it's ok that naruto and sakura have bonded so much during sasuke's absence?

Naruto and Sakura bonded before Sasuke left, as well. It was Sasuke and Sakura who never bonded. (And I would leave it up to personal opinion as to how well Naruto and Sasuke bonded. Naruto spouts it a lot, but meh. Imho, the only one Sasuke ever bonded with was Itachi, for all that was worth.)

So, yeah. I think it's ok!

[maliousdei]

what my current worry is what would happen if sasuke were to return to konoha a free man? would all of our development stop there, because naruto and sakura seem to have bonded so much only because sasuke was gone and they were working together to bring him back.

[Toasty Warrior]

That's what a lot of SS and NH fans think will happen if Sasuke will ever comeback to the village, but I don't think that would happen, not after all the events that took place, Sakura definitely loves Naruto despite what has happened to them, it's just a misunderstanding on both of their parts, Sakura with her confession and Naruto still believing she is in love with Sasuke, once they get pass those minor problems, nothing will stop their love.

[maliousdei]

I have recently been reading the fanfic Naruto: intentions. and it's because of it's good points I've been having some doubt. mainly about

What if the only reason naruto and sakura bonded was because sasuke left
what if sakura only cares about naruto because he is helping her with sasuke
what if she only cares because sasuke is gone

Can someone please help me?

[Grace]

What if the only reason naruto and sakura bonded was because sasuke left

If that's the case, is it bad? So Sasuke leaving was the nudge--in the end, it still remains true that they formed a bond with each other and that even though they share a common sentiment towards Sasuke, their bond isn't built on that sentiment; it stands independently, no matter what sparked its existence.

what if sakura only cares about naruto because he is helping her with sasuke

There have been examples given throughout Part 2, though, to disprove this--one of the most prominent in my mind being when Naruto goes K4. When Sakura runs to him, she tells him that he doesn't have to go so far to bring Sasuke back; she places his well-being above whatever advantage being kyuubified might give him towards getting Sasuke back. Also, she follows it all up by saying that she'll save Sasuke for him. Maybe it's just my interpretation, but to me she's being even more clear on the fact that Naruto's safety takes priority before getting Sasuke back. She was willing to try to remove Naruto's "obligation" to get Sasuke back just so he'd stay safe--if she only cared about him because he was helping her get Sasuke back then that entire scene makes little to no sense. *shrug*

what if she only cares because sasuke is gone

I'm guessing this question is basically: "What if she's only friends with Naruto now because it's better than being alone"? If not, please correct me.
If that is the question, then I'd say it has a similar answer to the question above: we've been shown multiple times that despite what Sakura may or may not feel for Sasuke anymore, she's become willing to put getting him back on hold if it means Naruto might be endangered or threatened somehow. While the ambiguity of her feelings for Sasuke is discerning, her putting Naruto in priority says a lot for how little Sasuke is really involved in her growing bond with Naruto.

Well....to me anyways ;P Hope this helps XD

[ShippudenGirl]

Why think that if Sasuke did return magically without punishment I honestly don't think things between Sasuke and Sakura will ever be the same; for one, he continuously tried to kill her without hesitation. All he ever did was mock her- he never so much as gave her notice- Naruto was the one giving her confidence to become stronger and was always there for her. Honestly, what the hell did Sasuke ever do for Sakura? She's grown up- she knows it'll never work out with Sasuke, and I'm sure she's fine with that.

[Jenskott]

I have recently been reading the fanfic Naruto: intentions. and it's because of it's good points I've been having some doubt. mainly about

Allow me one piece of advice: Never, EVER, build upon FANFICTION your opinions about canon.

Manga is the only thing matters because it is the original history, birthed from the creator's head. Anime is only one adaptation, and fanfiction is... stories daw inspiration from the manga. Though the manga is distorted by the opinions and biases from the fanfic writers.

If I was to believe fanfiction's characterizations, I should believe: Kyuubi is female and cares and loves Naruto, and both characters are permanently chattering; Anko is a sex fiend and Tayuya is alive and hot for Naruto; Sakura hated Naruto because he was a demon and was constantly insulting him and hitting him for no reason (in spite of in canon she actively went out of her way to avoid interaction with him); Sasuke is sweet, kind, tender and a complete romantic and is absolutely in love with Sakura, or he was an utter, cold, abusive and assholish bastard even when he was twelve (if you read the manga, he was merely cold and somewhat arrogant back then, and he DIDN'T hate Naruto or wanted killing him); Kakashi always neglected Naruto and Sakura because he only cared about Sasuke-kun (and all of that was based on ONE SINGLE SCENE where he foisted Naruto off on Ebisu. He had one good reason for focusing on Sasuke back then, and he told Ebisu was a better teacher anyways); Sakura beat Naruto up when he returned to the town without Sasuke (instead of telling him she didn't blame him for anything and knew he did alll what he possibly could and trying freeing him from the promise and cheering him up) or she beat him up when he returned to the town with Sasuke because she only cared about Sasuke (Do you remember the actual chapter? She didn't know Naruto had failed, but she stated she was going to visit Naruto first and Sasuke later); the entire village wanted killing Naruto for being a demon and returning without Sasuke (not only it never happened but later we found out the people were pitying Naruto and hoping he wasn't taking it too hard)...

Do you realize? Fanfiction never should alter your opinions about canon.

And if Naruto: Intentions is the fanfic I think it is, the premise it is based on is Sakura meant what she said when she stated she wanted joining Sasuke. We know it was false. That single fact should tell you the characterization in that fanfic is completely wrong and it shouldn't be taken seriously (I knew it wasn't worth of my time when I read the summary).

What if the only reason naruto and sakura bonded was because sasuke left

False. Naruto and Sakura started bonding long before. Do you remember when Sakura saved Naruto from Zabuza's sword and how she was blushing later? Do you remember when she taught Naruto how climbing trees? And when she was willing droping her team from the Chuunin exam because she wanted protecting the Naruto's dream? When she told -to Sasuke's face and with Naruto looking!- Naruto wasn't a coward unlike Sasuke? When Sakura tried protecting BOTH of them in the Forest of the Death and how Naruto was worried about her when he woke up? When Naruto and she were willing opening the scroll? When Naruto cheered Sakura up when she was fighting Ino and later he offered balm and she thanked him for both facts?

Do you want me going on or is that enough proof? Notice I have barely covered up to the Sakura/Ino fight, and I have forgotten many instances of Naruto and Sakura bonding before that moment.

what if sakura only cares about naruto because he is helping her with sasuke

Again that is blatantly false. Sakura began caring for Naruto when she become a team.

Do you remember the Bell Test? She warned Naruto he was in danger, even though she ruined her cover for doing so (and now a hater would reply she was an idiot for doing that). Later she offered Naruto her meal, and although is true Sasuke's example encouraged her to doing it, nobody ordered her or forced her to, and for all what she knew, the consequences could be dire. She saved Naruto from being hacked in two halves by Zabuza's sword, and later she blushed as she stared at Naruto as she thought "What is this I am feeling? Since when Naruto...?". Before the Chuunin exams, when Naruto was hurt and after one mission, she was the one was carrying him. She almost failed her team because she wanted protecting Naruto. When Naruto and Sasuke got knocked out she whispered "Naruto, please, help me". She almost got killed because she tried saving BOTH, Naruto and Sasuke, in the Forest of Death. When Naruto was fighting Kiba she was cheering him up loudly, and thinking proudly it was his time to shine. When he beat Neji up she cheered him up and she smiled when she noticed everybody were congratulating Naruto. When Gaara trapped him inside his sand claw, she whispered Naruto's -and Sasuke's- name.

Again I have just reached the Chuunin exams saga, and I have cited plenty examples. I could cite more examples before and after the chuunin exams.

There's plenty canon evidence to destroy that preposterous claim.

what if she only cares because sasuke is gone

Right how I have already proved, that is false. Canon evidence clearly states she began caring for Naruto way before Sasuke left.

I use manga canon to back my claims. How you can see, that is all what I need.

Sakura bonding with Naruto because Sasuke left, Sakura caring for Naruto only because he is helping her with Sasuke (Do you realize she has tried THREE times convincing him to give up on Sasuke? And the second time she tried it, her words suggested she wanted saving Sasuke for NARUTO, not for her), or Sakura only caring for Naruto because Sasuke is gone are utterly false, baseless and preposterous claims if you read the manga. There're too much canon evidence against them to ever consider them a possible alternate interpretation. Simply there is no way to support them.

And if Naruto: Intentions portrays Sakura like that... Let's tell before I suspected I should stay away from that fic. Now I KNOW.

[Gravenimage]

I have recently been reading the fanfic Naruto: intentions. and it's because of it's good points I've been having some doubt. mainly about

What if the only reason naruto and sakura bonded was because sasuke left
what if sakura only cares about naruto because he is helping her with sasuke
what if she only cares because sasuke is gone

Can someone please help me?

My advice to you don't let some fan fic or whatever NH and SS fans tell you to make you think otherwise about NS. They will say whatever means necssary to change your mind that NS is nothing but a "sibling relationship" and their pairings will happen. They have been saying the same thing for many years and every time Kishi keeps proving them wrong with developing NS and giving more hints of the pairing. Quite frankly it's really getting old their reasons to justfy their pairings with how little development both pairings have had. After 508 chapters Naruto still loves Sakura and NOT Hinata SS died with Sasuke leaving Sakura on a bench and Kishi massacred the pairing with 483-484 shattering any hopes for the SS fandom that the pairing its going to happen.

A lot of NH fans are still waiting for the reunion of Naruto and Hinata when her confession will be mention and Naruto will finally accept her feelings. They will have to keep on waiting ( for like forever ) because I highly doubt Kishi will touch her confession ever again after almost 67 chapters since her confession and still no answer from Naruto. Both fandoms I really believe they know the real pairing of the manga after seeing so much development but I think it's better to deny it than admit it.

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 September 2010 - 11:17 AM.

[maliousdei]

There is only one other thing I'd like someone to clarify for me. HOW AND WHY THE kitten ARE NARUHINA AND SASUSAKU SO POPULAR!?