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[Sakura Blossoms]

To be fair, it was the Democratic Party and it's primary voters that helped Obama win the nomination over Clinton and not the general electorate. They chose Obama over McCain.

True.

He was just so shiny

That cracked me up XDD

[Dreamer]

Too late to cry over spilled milk, America. You voted a 'community organizer' into power who had absolutely no experience, over someone who has been in politics for half of her adult life, and actually knows what she's doing.

To be fair, it was the Democratic Party and it's primary voters that helped Obama win the nomination over Clinton and not the general electorate. They chose Obama over McCain.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Amazing! I was *seriously* beginning to wonder if I would ever get to see this archaic law repealed. Dont ask, Don't tell repealed!

http://news.yahoo.co...ays_in_military

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Are people going for archaic as in 'olden times', or archaic as literally 'old'? Because Don't Ask, Don't Tell was established in the 1990's, and seeing as how most of the people here were born then, it isn't that old. Plus, in olden times, many armies had homosexual soldiers, so that doesn't make any sense to me either. I've been seeing 'archaic' put around everywhere on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, so can anyone explain to me how it applies correctly?

[Sakura Blossoms]

Are people going for archaic as in 'olden times', or archaic as literally 'old'? Because Don't Ask, Don't Tell was established in the 1990's, and seeing as how most of the people here were born then, it isn't that old. Plus, in olden times, many armies had homosexual soldiers, so that doesn't make any sense to me either. I've been seeing 'archaic' put around everywhere on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, so can anyone explain to me how it applies correctly?

In this case Yoshi, it means that it is an 'old' way of thinking. The 'old' way of thinking that women were inferior and couldn't vote. That blacks should be slaves. That just because you may like someone of the same gender, you can not serve in the military. It's old/archaic/old-fashioned and past time to be brought into our modern society where people are supposed to be judged as equals and not discriminated against.

[catsi563]

As someone who served and served with gay people. I can tell you quite factually, that the entire DADT mess will go away with a whimper and not a bang. Just like the integrration of blacks, and women did.

once the order goes out the soldiers will go on with their lives and duties exactly as they have before, only difference being that a percentage of them wont have to worry about accidently slipping that their gay and getting kicked out for it.

Some people may complain, a few may resign, the vast majority will shrug their shoulders and go about their business as if nothing happened.

There will not be horrendous disruptions in combat units, there will not be new rules or training needed. nor will new regulations or orders need to be handed down. Harrassment, and fraternization rules allreayd exist, and cover these situations just as well as they did before.

Simply put the whole thing is much ado about nothing and will have the exact same impact on our military readiness as black integration and women did.


It will vastly improve our combat readiness and capabilties.

[Insurrection]

Anyone hear McCain he sounded like he was wounded before he talked. Now how about that First Responders Bill Senate? Or are you going to let your opinion polls fall to below five percent?

Edited by Insurrection, 19 December 2010 - 12:54 AM.

[Dreamer]

I don't think I would feel comfortable in a shower room with someone who openly admitted he was gay if I was a fireman or soldier.

[catsi563]

trust me you wouldnt know the difference.

When the bullets start flying the only thing you worry about is that the person next to you can shoot straight, not whether or not they are straight.

The only concern people will have once this is revealed is whether everyone does their jobs right. Since this is the main concern now with it in place nothing will change in the slightest.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Good job Republicans. Screw up on the first day of work by going to a party instead of swearing in, then voting before swearing in thus invalidating every vote made by the entire House, and soliciting re-election funds at said party in the Congress building which happens to be against the law.

It'll take 2 weeks to fix this mess they made in the first 2 days:

http://news.yahoo.co...-being-sworn-in

[catsi563]

And the hillarious part is they were elected on platforms that stated they were constituional purists etc etc et all.

I still havent stopped laughing at the sheer stupidity of the whole thing.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Holy crap! Shots fired, people wounded and someone killed D8

http://news.yahoo.co...gresswoman_shot

[Insurrection]

It got worse down in Arizona.

A federal judge is dead and a 9 year old girl is dead too with others.

http://www.msnbc.msn...17/ns/politics/

Edited by Insurrection, 08 January 2011 - 09:29 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Did anyone even watch this crap? I know I didn't:

http://omg.yahoo.com...ed-report/53690

[Nate River]

Did anyone even watch this crap? I know I didn't:

http://omg.yahoo.com...ed-report/53690

Come on, you know the answer to that one. This is a thread full of libs and Democrats with one conservative (me) and a libertarian (strange), so you the answer is self-evident.

Second, if you didn't watch it how would you know it was crap?

I despise the TLC and virtually everything they have ever aired. This was no different. They air a ton of reality TV shows about the daily life of various types of people. This is a show in that same mold. I don't like those shows, so I had no interest in this one. My wife watches a lot of TLC and consequently saw a couple of episodes of this. I got to see bits and pieces of it and it was no different that every other reality show they air.'

[catsi563]

I got to see bits and pieces of it and it was no different that every other reality show they air.'

So what your saying is, it was crap.

her show is basically a piece of self aggrandizing crap. Shes using it to go "hey look at me, im just like you. Vote for me as president *Shudder violently*

it doesnt take a democrat or liberal or conservative to see the show for what it is. It just takes a pair of eyes.

[catsi563]

Of course Sarah Palin and Learning don't go together

LOL true. i always loved the contradiction of Sarah Palin having a show on the learning channel.

Kind of like Michelle Bachman being assigned to the Intelligence comittee.

[Nate River]

So what your saying is, it was crap.

her show is basically a piece of self aggrandizing crap. Shes using it to go "hey look at me, im just like you. Vote for me as president *Shudder violently*

Yes, it was. If you like typical TLC programming you'd like this. If you don't, you won't. I don't. Simple as that.

it doesnt take a democrat or liberal or conservative to see the show for what it is. It just takes a pair of eyes.

Sakura asked if anyone watched it. Did either you or Kodachi watch it? I wouldn't have expected any of you to for the reason I stated above. Why watch about a program about a person you hate? You think I'd watch a series about Obama or have any interest in his books? Hell, no.

Many have also been spelling Obama's current approval ratings as his doom, but this is not unusual. Both Regan and Clinton experienced low approval ratings and take over of Congress by the opposition, not to mention the war made Bush 2 look pretty bad. And all three won a second term (especially Regan). So, chances of Obama serving a second term, like it or not, are still pretty good, and even many Republicans will admit that. If they are to have any chance of winning, they are going to have to pick someone who will reach across both parties, make Obama look REALLY bad while making their choice REALLY good.

I agree with Nate Silver and that it's too early to tell and caution against making too many predictions without knowing who his opponent is. That said, I'd agree to the extent that there really isn't a stand-out nominee amoung the Republicans and it might end up being 1996 and 2004, which saw rather weak opponents for the incumbent (Bob Dole and John Kerry). That may be the biggest reason Obama ends up re-elected.

Kind of like Michelle Bachman being assigned to the Intelligence comittee.

Of course Sarah Palin and Learning don't go together

The no bashing rule applies to this thread as well. The purpose of that rule is to avoid having this thread be nothing but a trading of insults rather than an actual discussion. So, both of you need to lay off the gratuitous insults.