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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Kushina was initially going to die, and let Minato raise Naruto on his own. Minato said he couldn't do that, as there are some things only a mother can do. He chose to let Naruto meet his parents once in a lifetime, instead of being a lonefather.

The only thing she said of different when she met Naruto was how she fell in love with Minato, there wasnt anything special on their meeting or a message that she give to Naruto.

[sushi.]

The only thing she said of different when she met Naruto was how she fell in love with Minato, there wasnt anything special on their meeting or a message that she give to Naruto.

That doesn't really matter because it's just your opinion, plus Minato couldn't know what Kushina was going to say 16 years later.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html

See? These are Minato's own words.

Edited by sushi., 18 January 2014 - 09:29 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That doesn't really matter because it's just your opinion, plus Minato couldn't know what Kushina was going to say 16 years later.
 
http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html
See? These are Minato's own words.

That's wht i'm going to point out, despite being my own opinion the reasoning is lame, Minato could not replace Kushina obviously but Naruto needed a father didnt he?
Minato could not know what Kushina was going to say 16 years ago but the thing went totally the opposite with Naruto talking with each one of them telling them it's okay and that he loves them.

Which goes to the story so far, for plot reason Naruto was an orphan forcibly while on Sasuke's case it's more natural (his older brother killed everyone) while on Naruto's case, Minato went with a weird move that i'm unable to understand.
In fact Minato wanted to give Kushina a way for her to talk with Naruto at the cost of a father to Naruto and giving him more pain plus making him lonely.
Later he has a dream to be the leader of a village on which it's citizens hates him and persecute him for being a jinchuuriki, but his parents sacrificed their lives to save those people but the citizends didnt knew about it because Sandaime said that this knowledge would put Naruto's life in danger, but Naruto was already in danger for being a jinchuriki since the cloud village wanted kyuubi back and all the villains already knew who his parents were.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 January 2014 - 09:52 PM.

[sushi.]

That's wht i'm going to point out, despite being my own opinion the reasoning is lame, Minato could not replace Kushina obviously but Naruto needed a father didnt he?
Minato could not know what Kushina was going to say 16 years ago but the thing went totally the opposite with Naruto talking with each one of them telling them it's okay and that he loves them.

Which goes to the story so far, for plot reason Naruto was an orphan forcibly while on Sasuke's case it's more natural (his older brother killed everyone) while on Naruto's case, Minato went with a weird move that i'm unable to understand.
In fact Minato wanted to give Kushina a way for her to talk with Naruto at the cost of a father to Naruto and giving him more pain plus making him lonely.

Well I agree with you there, actually Naruto's whole background is terribly flawed. Not just because it made every adult character a neglecting kittenass.

An orphan who lived alone for who knows how long and who knows who even taught him to talk, with no aunties or uncles. Identity hidden all for the sake of protecting him from Minato's "enemies". You know, those we've never heard of. Naruto is in enough danger as it is, they can't be more dangerous than those who're already hunting him for being a jinchuuriki.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well I agree with you there, actually Naruto's whole background is terribly flawed. Not just because it made every adult character a neglecting kittenass.

An orphan who lived alone for who knows how long and who knows who even taught him to talk, with no aunties or uncles. Identity hidden all for the sake of protecting him from Minato's "enemies". You know, those we've never heard of. Naruto is in enough danger as it is, they can't be more dangerous than those who're already hunting him for being a jinchuuriki.

 

I believe the Third Hokage raised him to some extent.

[FireFox]

That's wht i'm going to point out, despite being my own opinion the reasoning is lame, Minato could not replace Kushina obviously but Naruto needed a father didnt he?
Minato could not know what Kushina was going to say 16 years ago but the thing went totally the opposite with Naruto talking with each one of them telling them it's okay and that he loves them.

Which goes to the story so far, for plot reason Naruto was an orphan forcibly while on Sasuke's case it's more natural (his older brother killed everyone) while on Naruto's case, Minato went with a weird move that i'm unable to understand.
In fact Minato wanted to give Kushina a way for her to talk with Naruto at the cost of a father to Naruto and giving him more pain plus making him lonely.
Later he has a dream to be the leader of a village on which it's citizens hates him and persecute him for being a jinchuuriki.

You are going by the assumption that Minato could have actually contain the Kyuubi which is false if that was the case there would be no need for the Uzumakis or to bring one in the village , besides Minato himself said how much heavy the Kyuubi's chakra is and how much numb his body felt he could barely breath from its chakra  (http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html) which means he could barely contained the Kyuubi and sooner or later he would have died and the Kyuubi would have set himself free and his kid would probably been killed along with the rest of the village (if he used a different seal than the SF)  the only reason his body doesn't feel numb now as it was back than is because of the EDO tensei which doesn't let you feel pain

. So in short Kushina was already dying , Minato would have died to if he used another seal , Naruto couldn't contain the whole Kyuubi as an infant and the Kyuubi would have been free and destroy everything on his path it makes total sens what Minato did at that moment . Also what Minato did there was for Kushina's sake Naruto's and the village since he also had a responsability as a Hokage .

Well I agree with you there, actually Naruto's whole background is terribly flawed. Not just because it made every adult character a neglecting kittenass.

An orphan who lived alone for who knows how long and who knows who even taught him to talk, with no aunties or uncles. Identity hidden all for the sake of protecting him from Minato's "enemies". You know, those we've never heard of. Naruto is in enough danger as it is, they can't be more dangerous than those who're already hunting him for being a jinchuuriki. 

 

The reason you never heard of them cus at that time no one knew that he was his son except for the higher ups from the village . It's not so much unreasonable to think that if anyone knew who he was he  would have been in a double danger as his son and as a jinchu , since Minato  at his time was a name to be feared and he was known by his ability to single handedly kill a hundreds of shinobis in a battlefield with out the enemy even noticing him since the yellow flash and the order of run at sight . I'm sure that there would have been many others like Sasuke that would have wanted a pay of for their loved ones even if Minato was already dead. And a double danger is still more dangerous than a single one no matter how you look at it .      

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 18 January 2014 - 11:00 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You are going by the assumption that Minato could have actually contain the Kyuubi which is false if that was the case there would be no need for the Uzumakis or to bring one in the village , besides Minato himself said how much heavy the Kyuubi's chakra is and how much numb his body felt he could barely breath from its chakra  (http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html) which means he could barely contained the Kyuubi and sooner or later he would have died and the Kyuubi would have set himself free and his kid would probably been killed along with the rest of the village (if he used a different seal than the SF)  the only reason his body doesn't feel numb now as it was back than is because of the EDO tensei which doesn't let you feel pain
. So in short Kushina was already dying , Minato would have died to if he used another seal , Naruto couldn't contain the whole Kyuubi as an infant and the Kyuubi would have been free and destroy everything on his path it makes total sens what Minato did at that moment . Also what Minato did there was for Kushina's sake Naruto's and the village since he also had a responsability as a Hokage .

Once again it doesnt justify Shiki fuuin, there's a large variety of sealing techniques and he knew about it, the fact is that he used Shiki fuuin to give Kushina the chance to speak with Naruto granting him a life with no parents and loneliness.
 

The reason you never heard of them cus at that time no one knew that he was his son except for the higher ups from the village . It's not so much unreasonable to think that if anyone knew who he was he  would have been in a double danger as his son and as a jinchu , since Minato  at his time was a name to be feared and he was known by his ability to single handedly kill a hundreds of shinobis in a battlefield with out the enemy even noticing him since the yellow flash and the order of run at sight . I'm sure that there would have been many others like Sasuke that would have wanted a pay of for their loved ones even if Minato was already dead. And a double danger is still more dangerous than a single one no matter how you look at it .

Naruto was the jinchuuriki, he was already in danger with the cloud village after the kyuubi and even Danzo which was also after it and plus other enemies and also all the villain knew about Naruto's parents.
It only made it worse if you watch RTN, Sakura's life was the life that Naruto should had, in fact if people knew Naruto was the son of the fourth hokage, he would be safer and also would have a happy life with people looking after him.
The sandaime's act to hid Naruto's identity turned his life into a misery.
Like sushi said his whole background is flawed even the fact he wants to become the leader of a village where everyone hates and humiliates him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 January 2014 - 11:49 PM.

[FireFox]

Once again it doesnt justify Shiki fuuin, there's a large variety of sealing techniques and he knew about it, the fact is that he used Shiki fuuin to give Kushina the chance to speak with Naruto granting him a life with no parents and loneliness.

As far as we know SF was the only sealing jutsu that prevents the Kyuubi from coming back after Minato dies  and destroy everything on his path or Konoha would have been history , that " different sealing jutsus " you speak of probably doesn't do this what they would accomplish is the same thing Kushina would have , to prolong the Kyuubi's comeback for a little longer and Minato's dead for no reason ,  thank god Minato thinks also about all the other childrens/infants in the village(who are now he's best friends) and people as a Hokage should do (http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html) . And for Naruto to meet his mother for her to tell him how much she loves him to give him advice on life and love itself it's a thing that only a mother can do the best that is what Minato meant by that .

Naruto was the jinchuuriki, he was already in danger with the cloud village after the kyuubi and even Danzo which was also after it and plus other enemies and also all the villain knew about Naruto's parents.
It only made it worse if you watch RTN, Sakura's life was the life that Naruto should had, in fact if people knew Naruto was the son of the fourth hokage, he would be safer and also would have a happy life with people looking after him.
The sandaime's act to hid Naruto's identity turned his life into a misery.
Like sushi said his whole background is flawed even the fact he wants to become the leader of a village where everyone hates and humiliates him.

The villains didn't had anything against Minato did they now . But Sakuras's father wasn't know as the yellow flash of the leaf he didn't kill a hundred's of a shinobis on the battlefield . he didn't have a flee on sight order didn't he . Sakuras father wasn't Minato and she wasn't the Kyuubi's host that's way she had a happy life with people around her in RTN cus her father was just the Hokage hero who saved the village and every one in it . And Naruto's parents in RTN were still overly protective of him and i bet it's for the reasons i stated above cus they were a dangerous shinobis with a reputation and cus he still was a jinchu. The only thing i'm willing to agree with you is Hiruzen's lack of care for Naruto apart from that Naruto's parents death isn't  flawed as you make it out to be .    

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 January 2014 - 01:34 AM.

[Hiraishin]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ I agree, having only a father (who loves you and supports you, etc.) is better than having no parents at all. I understand why Minato did what he did though, for the village and all.

 

If I was Minato, I would be pissed at Jiraiya and Kakashi for leaving Naruto alone all those years. He didn't have to be alone. That's just... sigh.

Edited by Hiraishin, 19 January 2014 - 02:30 AM.

[Kster95]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ I agree, having only a father (who loves you and supports you, etc.) is better than having no parents at all. I understand why Minato did what he did though, for the village and all.
 
If I was Minato, I would be pissed at Jiraiya and Kakashi for leaving Naruto alone all those years. He didn't have to be alone. That's just... sigh.

Honestly its out of character of them. Kishi has some explaining to do. Naruto was a top secret thing so maybe Jiriya and Kakashi thought he had died.

Edited by Kster95, 20 January 2014 - 02:44 AM.

[FireFox]

Honestly its out of character of them. Kishi has some explaining to do honestly. Naruto was a top secret thing so maybe Jiriya and Kakashi thought he had died.

Yeah this is totally bs on Kishi's part it appears that for Jiraiya more important was chasing after Oro than taking care of your student's son  who you have considered like your own son and Naruto as your grandson it doesn't make any sense at all . But then how did they found out that Naruto was the fourth's son , didn't Sarutobi was the only one who knew this  he had to be inform somehow about this or his talk with Tsunade about Naruto's parents wouldn't make any sense it seems that it wasn't a secret to those who were close to Minato&Kushina ?

 

Oh and what about the seal that the fourth left to Gerotora so he could gave it to Jiraiya he knew who's son Naruto's was maybe he told him but that would mean that Jiriaya knew from the star who Naruto was ?  

 

And i think Kakashi knew that he was alive didn't Sarutobi told him not to get to attached with the two boys Sasuke cus he was an a  Uciha and reminded him of Obito and Naruto well you know or was that just in the anime ?     

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 January 2014 - 03:26 AM.

[rocci]

shiki fujin is the only effective jutsu to seal kyuubi by minato.

it's a hero jutsu according to hiruzen.

when hiruzen mention it in part one, I thought kyubi sealed inside naruto is full kyubi, but it turn out only his half.

 

I think the one who cannot live alone with kushina is minato(this is just speculation).

 

btw I believe sakura will save naruto, because it will complete sakura developement on "feel useless to naruto".

and I doubt she can perform chiyo jutsu, unless kishi show a flashback at how she learn it, possibly from chiyo research data/scroll.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As far as we know SF was the only sealing jutsu that prevents the Kyuubi from coming back after Minato dies  and destroy everything on his path or Konoha would have been history , that " different sealing jutsus " you speak of probably doesn't do this what they would accomplish is the same thing Kushina would have , to prolong the Kyuubi's comeback for a little longer and Minato's dead for no reason ,  thank god Minato thinks also about all the other childrens/infants in the village(who are now he's best friends) and people as a Hokage should do (http://www.mangapand...hapter-504.html) . And for Naruto to meet his mother for her to tell him how much she loves him to give him advice on life and love itself it's a thing that only a mother can do the best that is what Minato meant by that .

This is what i'm presenting to you, SF is not the only sealing jutsu that could seal the kyuubi, didnt know where you get that statement, Mito obviously sealed the kyuubi with another seal.
This panel is the key to my statement, it's a shameful contradiction, there's no reason why he would sacrifice his life, his speech doesnt connect to what he's going to do, the only thing that makes sense is the part "why are you sacrificing your life for me?" in fact he give up his life for Kushina to have a chance to meet Naruto afterlife, but there's a problem with that, there are other ways like edo tensei and etc...
But Minato sacrificed his life to seal Kushina's chakra into Naruto making him an orphan with no parents.
 

The villains didn't had anything against Minato did they now . But Sakuras's father wasn't know as the yellow flash of the leaf he didn't kill a hundred's of a shinobis on the battlefield . he didn't have a flee on sight order didn't he . Sakuras father wasn't Minato and she wasn't the Kyuubi's host that's way she had a happy life with people around her in RTN cus her father was just the Hokage hero who saved the village and every one in it . And Naruto's parents in RTN were still overly protective of him and i bet it's for the reasons i stated above cus they were a dangerous shinobis with a reputation and cus he still was a jinchu. The only thing i'm willing to agree with you is Hiruzen's lack of care for Naruto apart from that Naruto's parents death isn't  flawed as you make it out to be .

The villagers admired Minato because he was their hero, but on Sakura's RTN she was loved by the village and the people took care of her lessening her pain, Naruto had any of that it's the opposite, he was hated and humiliated.
Minato's enemies would be probably the cloud village just theorizing however Naruto was a jinchuuriki and that was already putting him into a great danger than being just Minato's child, the cloud village after him, Akatsuki, and even Danzou who was inside the village, the fact i presented to you is that, revealing Naruto's identity would not put him into a more danger position than he already is it would only make him happy and the villagers instead of hating him and humiliating him woud love him and take care of him.
There was no downsides into this, his dream to be hokage would be more understandable, looking at the flashbacks Naruto wanted to be kage because he wanted to be acknowledged but that's the problem why would you seek acknowledgement from the very same people who hates and humiliates you?
It's like wanting to be friend of a guy that beats you every day.
It's a flawed background.
 

Honestly its out of character of them. Kishi has some explaining to do honestly. Naruto was a top secret thing so maybe Jiriya and Kakashi thought he had died.

On part 1, Kakashi looked like he didnt knew about Naruto's parents but suddenly on Pain's arc looked like he knew about it all along.
I never understood that.
Worse is that Naruto never showed the desire to know about who his parents were
he never asked anyone not even Jiraiya.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 January 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[sushi.]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ I agree, having only a father (who loves you and supports you, etc.) is better than having no parents at all. I understand why Minato did what he did though, for the village and all.

 

If I was Minato, I would be pissed at Jiraiya and Kakashi for leaving Naruto alone all those years. He didn't have to be alone. That's just... sigh.

Minato also did it because he just realized Naruto is the child of prophecy.

 

The bolded, is exactly what I was talking about. Minato's acquaintances had to stay away from Naruto in order to not draw suspicion about his heritage. Because apparently people could then link them to Minato. Because Minato had many enemies that would endanger his son..it's actually just a ridiculous excuse to make a tragic backstory for Naruto. : ( Same with the system, what kind of authority lets orphaned children live alone?  Like Iruka, Sasuke and Naruto.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well the Shinobi system has been messed up since the Sage of Six paths had passed away. It has had sibling vs sibling, 7 year olds fighting in wars, blood thirsty clans, children killing children (Root and Mist Village), taught to rid of emotion and that mission comes first before comrades. How else do you think Zubuza, Orochimaru, Madara, Kubuto, Sasuke and members of the Akatsuki became so screwed up.

[Superman333]

I agree Naruto's back story does have a few flaws but I remember reading that the Third Hokage raised Naruto in a way and probably taught him the basics of life and how to talk etc. and even helped him with the apartment. The Hokage probably had special watch over Naruto and his apartment as well and most likely he gave him money for ramen and to put groceries in the house. But as Darkerest said it doesn't explain why Minato did what he did because Naruto was already in danger from the get go. But basically the story for Naruto is basically he started from the bottom and now he is raising himself up and him wanting to be the Hokage he explained that himself Naruto doesn't really hold a grudge and he wants to show he is somebody important and he's not bad as they make him out to be.

[FireFox]

This is what i'm presenting to you, SF is not the only sealing jutsu that could seal the kyuubi, didnt know where you get that statement, Mito obviously sealed the kyuubi with another seal.
This panel is the key to my statement, it's a shameful contradiction, there's no reason why he would sacrifice his life, his speech doesnt connect to what he's going to do, the only thing that makes sense is the part "why are you sacrificing your life for me?" in fact he give up his life for Kushina to have a chance to meet Naruto afterlife, but there's a problem with that, there are other ways like edo tensei and etc...
But Minato sacrificed his life to seal Kushina's chakra into Naruto making him an orphan with no parents.

Why are you misreading my statement I never said that SF was the only seal that could seal the Kyuubi what i did said is that the  SF was the only sealing jutsu that prevents the Kyuubi from coming back after Minato dies  and destroy everything on his path or Konoha would have been history  and Mito was an Uzumaki they are the only clan whose body and chakra can contain  the Kyuubi without dying again you are going by the assumption that Minato's real body could actually host the Kyuubi or that Naruto as infant could host the whole Kyuubi which i provided the evidence that it's false a different seal still wouldn't leave him alive  . He just gave you the reason Konoha needed a Jinchuriki to preserve the balance of the Bijuu with the other countries or Konoha is finished . When Kushina says why that seal she doesn't mean that there is another seal that prevents the above i just said cus her original plan was to take the Kyuubi with her prolonging his return and with that leaving the village without a Jinchuriki and open for an a attack from the other villages plus the Kyuubi when he returns and Minato would have been alive to take care of Naruto in that way , the SF was the only seal that can divide the Kyuubi's chakra so it could fit in Naruto and with that preserving the balance of the Bijuus and saving Konoha from disaster and in that process also sealing their chakras within him , what Minato says it's also for the village for her and for Naruto to a have place were to live in , it's Kushina who says that it's all for her and Minato debunked that  . And come on the EDO ? Is Minato that inhumane that he would sacrifice another life just so Naruto can meet his mother ? and what are those other ways since i haven't seen them or was ever told bout them  .  Of course all of this the SF wouldn't be necessary if there was another older Uzumaki than Naruto that could have been the host of the whole Kyuubi but there wasn't and Minato did the best he could , again you are going against what Minato said and only see Kushina's view  it may seems that all he's doing is for Kushina but it isn't  as he said it's for her Naruto and the village and that is a fact .

 

The villagers admired Minato because he was their hero, but on Sakura's RTN she was loved by the village and the people took care of her lessening her pain, Naruto had any of that it's the opposite, he was hated and humiliated.
Minato's enemies would be probably the cloud village just theorizing however Naruto was a jinchuuriki and that was already putting him into a great danger than being just Minato's child, the cloud village after him, Akatsuki, and even Danzou who was inside the village, the fact i presented to you is that, revealing Naruto's identity would not put him into a more danger position than he already is it would only make him happy and the villagers instead of hating him and humiliating him woud love him and take care of him.
There was no downsides into this, his dream to be hokage would be more understandable, looking at the flashbacks Naruto wanted to be kage because he wanted to be acknowledged but that's the problem why would you seek acknowledgement from the very same people who hates and humiliates you?
It's like wanting to be friend of a guy that beats you every day.
It's a flawed background.

  Except we don't have a evidence that she would have been also loved if she was also a Jinchuuriki but what we do have (and this is canon) Bee's history. Despite he having a family a cousin and a brother in A and a father in the third Raikage who were the heroes of their village Bee was still hated by his village until he proved himself as Jinchuuriki . There is nothing that points out that Naruto would have been admired,loved by the village as Sakura cus Minato was his dad since no matter who he was all of the Jinchuuriki were treated as monsters until they proved themselves as worthy and this was the case in every village . Well for one there is no fact that he wouldn't also be in danger or hated as Minato's son except for the Bee part which is close to the truth of the Jinchuuriki that no matter who you are you would still be seen as monster and treated as such as was the case with all of them also look at Gara his father was also a Kage so way wasn't he loved by the village and his father?

And I still think a double danger is more dangerous no matter which one is the bigger since you are being attacked from both sides it doesn't matter which one is the bigger one .

 

So how is Naruto's background flawed/forced but  Sasuke's brother killing all of his family for the village isn't ? By that reasons every background is forced 

 

So by you what should have Naruto done so it would be understandable ? Be like Sasuke hate and kill everyone in the village instead of looking for love and acknowledgement the thing he never had and always desired always wondered how that feels thank good he has a hearth and find a goal in his life instead going to the path of his destruction . .Besides they are many life examples of people who weren't treated right didn't deserved it but choose instead to destroy everything on their path to feel them self with love it's called achieving greatness and respect by working hard and making something of yourself . It isn't so flawed of a dream to me but to each his own on this subject .          

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 January 2014 - 08:07 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Why are you misreading my statement I never said that SF was the only seal that could seal the Kyuubi what i did said is that the  SF was the only sealing jutsu that prevents the Kyuubi from coming back after Minato dies  and destroy everything on his path or Konoha would have been history 

I really dont understand that statement, the kyuubi didnt come back because it didnt died, sealing the kyuubi dont kill it, it's stated, SF and other sealing techniques does the same, Minato used SF however because it was the only way to seal Kushina's chakra on Naruto, because of his logic that being able to talk with a mom once in a life is more important to have a parental figure at his side.

Also about the balance it's not a valid excuse for what he did, he could have sealed the kyuubi with a another seal he used SF because of the statement above.
And also he rejected Hiruzen's help by making a barrier another guy who also knows SF.

Also about bringing back Kushina as an edo to talk with Naruto, he could use the bodies of Akatsuki guys.
 

I agree Naruto's back story does have a few flaws but I remember reading that the Third Hokage raised Naruto in a way and probably taught him the basics of life and how to talk etc. and even helped him with the apartment. The Hokage probably had special watch over Naruto and his apartment as well and most likely he gave him money for ramen and to put groceries in the house. But as Darkerest said it doesn't explain why Minato did what he did because Naruto was already in danger from the get go. But basically the story for Naruto is basically he started from the bottom and now he is raising himself up and him wanting to be the Hokage he explained that himself Naruto doesn't really hold a grudge and he wants to show he is somebody important and he's not bad as they make him out to be.

Yep Naruto needed to start from the bottom but the catch is that it made completely ridiculous because Kishi made him son of the previous hero, with an absurd bloodline limite plus the fact he's a jinchuuriki, with a forced backstory and seeking acknowledgement from the very same people who hates and persecute him.
THe flawed part of Naruto's backstory is that fact he was the son of the fourth hokage and Uzumaki Kushina.
It gives the impression that Naruto was betrayed and suffered a great injustice(with no reason or logical explanation) and looking back to his past and how he was hated by the people who were saved because he was sacrificed, Kishi avoided that confrontation and putting Naruto with a single minded character who has the dream to be hokage without a solid explanation.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 January 2014 - 07:48 PM.

[FireFox]

I really dont understand that statement, the kyuubi didnt come back because it didnt died, sealing the kyuubi dont kill it, it's stated, SF and other sealing techniques does the same, Minato used SF however because it was the only way to seal Kushina's chakra on Naruto, because of his logic that being able to talk with a mom once in a life is more important to have a parental figure at his side.

Also about the balance it's not a valid excuse for what he did, he could have sealed the kyuubi with a another seal he used SF because of the statement above.
And also he rejected Hiruzen's help by making a barrier another guy who also knows SF.

Also about bringing back Kushina as an edo to talk with Naruto, he could use the bodies of Akatsuki guys.

Again explain me this could Minato with his body/chakra contain the Kyuubi become its Jinchuuriki ? The difference is every Jinchuriki has to be compatible with  the Bijuu to be able to contain it or if he isn't he dies and the Bijuu runs free as it was shown in the manga and only the Uzumaki's were able to contain/suppress  the Kyuubi's chakra cus of their life force and chakra   no other than them .

The seals other than SF wouldn't kill the Jinchuuriki it's the force of the Bijuu if they couldn't suppress it that would have killed them as i said this was shown in the manga that is way only an a Uzumaki could be the host of the Kyuubi . Minato wasn't suitable to be the host of the Kyuubi as i have showed you he would have died sooner or later that's way he sealed it in Naruto cus of Naruto's Uzumaki's chakra life force within him , the SF enabled him to prevent the Kyuubi from coming back after he dies since it seals the user and victim in the SF belly for eternity in a non stop battle . Again he didn't use the SF just to seal Kushina's chakra in Naruto he did it so he could divide the Kyuubi's chakra so it could fit in Naruto  preventing the other half that he wasn't suitable to contained it from coming back and destroying the village and his son with it  , he didn't seal the Kyuubi within Naruto with the SF read the chapter and you will see that for that and for the sealing of Kushina's chakra in Naruto he used a different seal the eight trigramas seal . I suggest to read carefully the previous post of mine along with this one so you can understand were i coming from and why i say that it isn't as flawed as you make it be so , thanks for your time.       

 

 

Hiruzen was late to the party what was he supposed to do wait for the Kyuubi to free himself from the chains that Kushina barely hold on to  and killed them all(which he did for a little bit) that's way the barrier was set for so the Kyuubi can't go on a rampage in the whole village if he set himself free .

Come on men you are being to unfair and unjust toward Minato everything he did was nothing but heroic .  

About the EDO LOL no comment on that one  Oh! and you don't need just a body for that but a body with soul in it .  

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 January 2014 - 09:53 PM.

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