Ah I get it. Lol. I'll write it when I return home. I also got some other ones, but it's nothing predicting, more like fun stuff.
H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#13361
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:28 PM
Ah I get it. Lol. I'll write it when I return home. I also got some other ones, but it's nothing predicting, more like fun stuff.
#13362
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:30 PM
well then looking forward to reading them

OTP: NaruSaku; Favorite crack pairing: NaruIno
Runner-ups:AstridxHiccup (How to train your dragon),SusanxReed, WallyxKuki (Kids next door); AshxMisty; ThorxSif
#13363
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:07 PM
Some you say that she DOES NOT LOVE NARUTO YET AT ALL and that she will fall in love with him soon when they have a chat. No, sorry i can't agree with this. Even Yamato has seen her true feelings for Naruto and ofc Kishi didn't let Yamato finish his sentence.
With the lover-nin in chapter 540 she see's pictures Sasuke not being a great guy and to some extent ashamed that she has feeling for him still.
I know that Sakura has never went around screaming she loved Naruto, like she did with Sasuke but i think thats for the better.
Edited by HauntedCake, 24 March 2013 - 10:10 PM.
#13364
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:10 PM
What do you think about the kirigakure shinobi wanting rin,i been looking for different theories about it on the internet so i decided to come here to ask you goes because you all know alot

Look at chibi sakura isn't she just plain awesome
#13365
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:15 PM
Some you say that sheDOES NOT LOVE NARUTO AT ALL and that she will fall in love with him soon when they have a chat. No, sorry i can't agree with this. Even Yamato has seen her true feelings for Naruto and ofc Kishi didn't let Yamato finish his sentence.
With the lover-nin in chapter 540 she see's pictures Sasuke not being a great guy and to some extent ashamed that she has feeling for him still.
I know that Sakura has never went around screaming she loved Naruto, like she did with Sasuke but i think thats for the better.
An love is not always absolute either. It comes in different forms. Just because we say she is not "in love with Naruto" doesn't mean she doesn't "Love Naruto." Those are two different things. One implies seeking a relationship with the other through recipprocated feelings from both sides. The other can mean family, best friends, or the possiblity of relationship in the future. She shows love through her actions towards Naruto, but has not come to the conclusion of being "in love" with Naruto. That's how I see things. Many will probably disagree, but that's your opinion and you have a right to it.
Edited by Beastbomb, 24 March 2013 - 10:16 PM.
#13366
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:27 PM
Other than this, love the pictures, nice humor. But naruto and sakura will get more interaction. I honestly believe that the best development for sakura to move on to naruto though would have to be a gradual struggle from this point forward, relative to the past events, how they acted at the 5 kage summit (both the confession and the hope for the future after naruto saved sakura), and sasukes current resolve. I mean Sasuke is not going to get his answer from hashirama only what hashirama thinks of his question. Sasuke will get his answer when fighting naruto and after the fight come to a choice that he can give himself a chance at redeemtion with naruto, starting to forgive himself and others by trusting naruto. Sakura however would need to see who is truly important and what naruto has done vs sasukes actions, her conflicted thoughts over them, I believe an event like tsunades death would give her great development and help her mature, that choice with naruto over Sasuke would be one of the highlights of her character, cause she always had Sasuke at times even when he was bad, in this time around the time naruto and sasuke fight, one of her highest points would be choosing or siding with naruto over sasuke in one of the most climatic moments of the series.
We know why naruto loves sakura, we know his half and reasoning for it simply, sakura has always been a complex character, for her to love naruto I think it's better if she in a way struggles and matures, finds reasoning and resolution with naruto and meaning with him over Sasuke, how her ideals of Sasuke were idealistic and in that same way do something for naruto in her own way as she always wanted, she should overcome Sasuke in her own mind basically. We know she can act around naruto and be happy, everything for events like these are already laid around, Kishi just needs a good timeframe and pace for it to play out.
The 4th war arc ended and we are on the ten tails revival arc now, there is still time for naruto and sakura to have development between each other and they obviously will when it comes to Sasuke. One thing which is in our favor? Sakura cannot revert to what she once was, if she did, that's just not good and ruins her, Kishi doing that would be a grave mistake for the whole story. Development is about character progress not regressing too what they once were or sticking too what they are. Sakura must overcome Sasuke to be fully developed, not needing to love naruto, just overcome Sasuke and by means of naruto at least forgive him by means of naruto, she needs to overcome her love perception of Sasuke cause it was never there, that's what maturity is, realizing what's really important and what really matters, not what they once thought mattered. Sakura can do this and in my opinion to be complete needs to overcome Sasuke in her mind.
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#13367
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:52 PM
Yeah, hopefully Sakura will mature and move on from Sasuke with having to use "i love Naruto" as an excuse. She truly comes to get over Sasuke on her own which would show ultimate character development and maturity.
#13368
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:55 PM
Exactly. Others like Ino have shortcuts by having their relatives/close people to tell them what's truly important and what's right and wrong. Sakura is alone in this situation and she has to throw the ball to one net. Time is running out. Make a shot.
#13369
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:21 PM
I dont want her to not fall in love with Naruto because she fears that it is just an excuse to get over Sasuke though. I hope she can truly confess her love to Naruto as well as him to her and not have to use their love as an excuse to get over Sasuke. Hopefully she can just see that Sasuke is not a good guy and not anything she can love anymore and actually confront him and overcome her weakness to him.
#13370
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:33 PM
Some you say that she DOES NOT LOVE NARUTO YET AT ALL and that she will fall in love with him soon when they have a chat. No, sorry i can't agree with this. Even Yamato has seen her true feelings for Naruto and ofc Kishi didn't let Yamato finish his sentence.
With the lover-nin in chapter 540 she see's pictures Sasuke not being a great guy and to some extent ashamed that she has feeling for him still.
I know that Sakura has never went around screaming she loved Naruto, like she did with Sasuke but i think thats for the better.
I cant see Sakura realizing it for herself, because this scenario already happened on the kage's arc she thought about her feelings for Naruto and also her feelings for Sasuke, and she choose Naruto despite not loving him, despite not acknowleding that feeligns as love.
I do believe that she will fall in love with a speech from Naruto similar to the one he give to Hinata but with romantic tone, and not just about strenght.
I dont know if this was canon or not but after the bridge scene Naruto was praising Sakura and she was blushing hard like she loves Naruto but it cut off to a comic moment.
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 March 2013 - 11:33 PM.
#13371
Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:06 AM
I do believe that she will fall in love with a speech from Naruto similar to the one he give to Hinata but with romantic tone, and not just about strenght.
I dont know if this was canon or not but after the bridge scene Naruto was praising Sakura and she was blushing hard like she loves Naruto but it cut off to a comic moment.
Almost all canon. The close up on Sakura is anime. He did praise her though, including monster strength.
#13372
Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:12 AM
You know that Naruto has the power to change people but he still didnt change Sakura.
#13373
Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:38 AM
As for the event, something dramatic not emotional would have to push sakura to finally accept her feelings for naruto if she really does end up loving him, she would accept naruto over Sasuke because it would be what She honestly wants for herself not just to get over Sasuke, she would return narutos feelings because of the care they both have for each other, not to simply get over Sasuke. Sakura would mature and learn the difference yet still be able to forgive Sasuke for his actions because of naruto, like all other things in the series narutos will makes others follow his actions like he did back with the land of waves to later events like turning Nagato to good. The event would be the moment sakura turns to loving naruto, it would take smaller events to gradually change her and let her realize her feelings for him, not merely give her a reason to switch. It could be something like tsunade telling sakura to protect what she really cares about, basically kinda like how itachi gave Sasuke a reason to turn away from revenge, something should give sakura a realization between naruto and Sasuke or let her overcome Sasuke mentally. As long as it makes sense and is gradual, that's fine for sakura loving naruto when the time comes.
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#13374
Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:42 AM
That's why I said Sasuke and Sakura are his toughest challenge yet.
#13375
Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:20 AM

god is sweet.......
courage,,,,,,,,,,,
doesn't always roar.............
sometimescourage is quite voice at the
end of the day saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
'll try again tomorrow"
#13376
Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:33 AM
Some you say that she DOES NOT LOVE NARUTO YET AT ALL and that she will fall in love with him soon when they have a chat. No, sorry i can't agree with this. Even Yamato has seen her true feelings for Naruto and ofc Kishi didn't let Yamato finish his sentence.
With the lover-nin in chapter 540 she see's pictures Sasuke not being a great guy and to some extent ashamed that she has feeling for him still.
I know that Sakura has never went around screaming she loved Naruto, like she did with Sasuke but i think thats for the better.
In my point of view, she already loves Naruto from part 1.
She says she loves Sasuke, wich is true, but because of that, she can't realize the nature of her feelings for Naruto.
And that's why she makes incorrect interpretation of those feelings.
She never tried to see Naruto other as a friend.
Yamato tried tell her the truth.
The truth ! Yes, this word is really important in Yamato's sentence... it shows that the feeling that they're talking about is something hidden/unkown.
And that's why Databook is needed :
Sakura doesn't know the nature of her feelings for Naruto yet...
Of course everyone could see her ambigous feelings for him, even in part 1, but, this Databook confirms our interpretation.
Yes, Sakura really has unkown feelings for him, wich means that she would be already in love with him without realizing it.
Love is something that you can't explain in words, this counts in the real world too, not only in Naruto.
What kind of feeling would be difficult to realize other than love?
Friendship ? Sibling love ?
Those are NH argument, yeah...
OF COURSE it is love!
And Sakura is about to learn what real love means. Yes, because she already knows what being love with someone means, but... what true love means, that... she doesn't know it yet, and that is what she's feeling for Naruto deep in her heart, without realize it... TRUE LOVE!
Those feelings will help her being helpfull towards Naruto, like she always wanted to be, and that is what Yamato tried to explain her :
It's not what you DO for Naruto that's important... it's how strongly you FEEL for him that counts...
When Sakura will use Yamato's tips, she'll shine for real.
Please wait the return of the battlefield's chapters. Be patient, I'm sure we will be rewarded from Kishimoto soon enough.
NaruHina is just there for suspense and Hinata's developpement.
Edited by Sojobo, 25 March 2013 - 02:40 AM.
#13377
Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:41 AM
I also do think it's possible Sakura may come close to realize her feelings for him through words of Naruto. It'd definitely help and contribute a lot. It'd likely be something corny and clumsy of a love confession but Naruto is still very sweet and speaks what's in his heart. He's changed many people over the course of the series with his passionate speeches. Believe it or not, Naruto has already changed Sakura to the almost the full extent. With him, she became more considerate of others and selfless. Remember, Sakura was largely a very selfish character in Part 1. Not anymore however. She pays better attention and Naruto transformed her into a more sympathetic person. It was also his drive to bring Sasuke back that inspired her and drove her into a purpose. Saving Sasuke and being there for Naruto, eventually just being there for Naruto, and currently bringing T7 back again and helping Naruto. However, she's not completely changed quite yet. She still has to shake off her feelings for Sasuke and stop having such a low opinion of herself. Whatever he says may help but Sakura can sometimes be as stubborn as Naruto himself. She's felt like this for so long she can't easily get rid of it. It's the same as Naruto and his mental protective mind shield screaming to him everyday that Sakura is soo deeply in love with Sasuke, will never get over him, and will never return his love. So I don't expect an immediate "You're right, Naruto! Thanks." I expect a fierce argument from her reeking of misery and self-deprecation.
Later, I see the fight of Naruto and Sasuke. Soon afterwards, in some way or another, something extremely crucial happens that causes her to realize how much she truly loves Naruto. And then she'll have flashbacks and reflecting on whatever the hell Naruto argues to her about feeling "unworthy".
As for that panel in 615, I'll say it right now: I can't say for sure what it meant but it's highly likely this means something for NS. Sakura's expression was very shocked, bordering on disturbed shocked. Unlike Darkest I believe she was reacting to NH. But I don't think she was feeling jealous in any way. Sakura's most likely a jealous type but over Naruto? Most importantly, the culprit being Hinata? Not at all. My personal interpretation is that Sakura felt a lot of sadness when she saw that and then sadness/frustration mixture. Not over NH, over herself. She's always trying to do so much for Naruto and help him so much so to see Hinata take such a huge leap IHO would cause her to put down herself and criticize her inability to do large things and only 'small' things. It's clear she's not dislodged her insecurity, especially after her failure in the Kage Summit. So seeing this would be huge slap in the face that would undoubtably sting majorly. She'd feel confused envy over it and sadness. Sakura hates herself for what she's done to Naruto already. I personally think this scene would finally cause her to jump on the "Hinata deserves Naruto more than me ... she's never hated him. More importantly, she'd never hurt him like I have" argument so many NH fans love to say. She did not think this before but now I feel like she does.
The possibilties one panel in 615 have created ...
"I absolutely can't let you die! I can't! I won't let you die ... your stupid dream ... now it's ... it's right in front of us!!" ----Sakura Haruno
#13378
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:45 AM
I also do think it's possible Sakura may come close to realize her feelings for him through words of Naruto. It'd definitely help and contribute a lot. It'd likely be something corny and clumsy of a love confession but Naruto is still very sweet and speaks what's in his heart. He's changed many people over the course of the series with his passionate speeches. Believe it or not, Naruto has already changed Sakura to the almost the full extent. With him, she became more considerate of others and selfless. Remember, Sakura was largely a very selfish character in Part 1. Not anymore however. She pays better attention and Naruto transformed her into a more sympathetic person. It was also his drive to bring Sasuke back that inspired her and drove her into a purpose. Saving Sasuke and being there for Naruto, eventually just being there for Naruto, and currently bringing T7 back again and helping Naruto. However, she's not completely changed quite yet. She still has to shake off her feelings for Sasuke and stop having such a low opinion of herself. Whatever he says may help but Sakura can sometimes be as stubborn as Naruto himself. She's felt like this for so long she can't easily get rid of it. It's the same as Naruto and his mental protective mind shield screaming to him everyday that Sakura is soo deeply in love with Sasuke, will never get over him, and will never return his love. So I don't expect an immediate "You're right, Naruto! Thanks." I expect a fierce argument from her reeking of misery and self-deprecation.
Later, I see the fight of Naruto and Sasuke. Soon afterwards, in some way or another, something extremely crucial happens that causes her to realize how much she truly loves Naruto. And then she'll have flashbacks and reflecting on whatever the hell Naruto argues to her about feeling "unworthy".
As for that panel in 615, I'll say it right now: I can't say for sure what it meant but it's highly likely this means something for NS. Sakura's expression was very shocked, bordering on disturbed shocked. Unlike Darkest I believe she was reacting to NH. But I don't think she was feeling jealous in any way. Sakura's most likely a jealous type but over Naruto? Most importantly, the culprit being Hinata? Not at all. My personal interpretation is that Sakura felt a lot of sadness when she saw that and then sadness/frustration mixture. Not over NH, over herself. She's always trying to do so much for Naruto and help him so much so to see Hinata take such a huge leap IHO would cause her to put down herself and criticize her inability to do large things and only 'small' things. It's clear she's not dislodged her insecurity, especially after her failure in the Kage Summit. So seeing this would be huge slap in the face that would undoubtably sting majorly. She'd feel confused envy over it and sadness. Sakura hates herself for what she's done to Naruto already. I personally think this scene would finally cause her to jump on the "Hinata deserves Naruto more than me ... she's never hated him. More importantly, she'd never hurt him like I have" argument so many NH fans love to say. She did not think this before but now I feel like she does.
The possibilties one panel in 615 have created ...
I agree with you mostly, but the thing is, IMO, she's seen how Hinata is around Naruto all the way back until Part 1. She even acknowledged that Hinata was always looking at him. From the outside, we're aware of who Naruto loves, and we've seen the development. Of course we feel that she has nothing to worry about, but I wouldn't put it past Sakura to be a little jealous/sad/frustrated over this considering she's ALWAYS striving to do good for Naruto as a comrade, and as a friend. Always feeling inadequate and putting down the things she does do when she should realize that she's done way more than enough for him. That's why I personally feel that it's possible that she MIGHT be jelly over this but who knows. Can't wait to find out.
As for the second bolded, and so on, I think she'll play that card as well basically. Around this time is when I feel she'll realize her feelings for Naruto and push them to the wayside because she feels he deserves better. If Kishi goes this route, I'm gonna laugh because you know how the NH fans are gonna react given how some of them take everything at face value, but it'd be a "Just as planned" for us though.
#13379
Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:23 AM
As for the second bolded, and so on, I think she'll play that card as well basically. Around this time is when I feel she'll realize her feelings for Naruto and push them to the wayside because she feels he deserves better. If Kishi goes this route, I'm gonna laugh because you know how the NH fans are gonna react given how some of them take everything at face value, but it'd be a "Just as planned" for us though.
If Sakura does adopt the mindset of "Hinata deserves Naruto a lot more" like I'm 80% sure she will, words can't even explain how amazingly ironic that would be. It shows that selfless parallel streak even more that no other non-canon couple has so far.
1st example:
Sakura: "He's an idiot to love someone like me ... I'm the one who has always hurt him the most."
Naruto: " How can I? I don't deserve to tell her how I feel, I couldn't keep my promise."
2nd likely example:
Sakura: " Naruto deserves someone so much better than me ... all I ever do is hurt his feelings and screw up. Hinata would never make the same mistakes and cause him so much pain like I did."
Naruto: "Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much ... I can't be selfish. I want her happy. And Sakura-chan's happiness is Sasuke."
It's just mind-blowing. The sense of inferiority and undeserving is just uncanny, I almost can't even believe it. Naruto painfully ships SasuSaku and shares SS views like the shippers in the fandom yet has it only because of his unflinching ability to have a complete lack of confidence in winning over Sakura's affections. I swear, it seems like he has more confidence in saving Sasuke then finding love with Sakura. And Sakura? In a roundabout way, she feels the exact same. Not in having Naruto like her but her doubt and 80% sure possibility that she can never give him the personal fulfillment and happiness that she believes he deserves. In her opinion, Sakura feels like all she'll ever do is hurt him and make him suffer like she has in the past. So she feels like she's wasted effort in the long wrong but not because she doesn't think she can love him. So possibly seeing her painfully shipping NH and sharing NH views like the NH fandom is just ... my shipping feels.
It'd be very interesting to see since NS is the only pair so far that has this obvious degree of unworthiness. NaruHina doesn't have that. Hinata can't see past her own Naruto-centric bubble, she likely believes she deserves him. She hasn't even shown a sign of knowing Narutos' existent love for Sakura. And Naruto ... well, his feelings are pretty much non-existent. Sakura thinks Sasuke doesn't deserve her and Sasuke doesn't think he deserves Sakura because 1). Cares 0 about romantic love. 2). Sees her as weak, annoying, and sees her as just some person of Konoha. He's very selfish and childish still.
Kishi might be trying to tell us something ...
"I absolutely can't let you die! I can't! I won't let you die ... your stupid dream ... now it's ... it's right in front of us!!" ----Sakura Haruno
#13380
Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:39 AM
1st example:
Sakura: "He's an idiot to love someone like me ... I'm the one who has always hurt him the most."
Naruto: " How can I? I don't deserve to tell her how I feel, I couldn't keep my promise."
2nd likely example:
Sakura: " Naruto deserves someone so much better than me ... all I ever do is hurt his feelings and screw up. Hinata would never make the same mistakes and cause him so much pain like I did."
Naruto: "Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much ... I can't be selfish. I want her happy. And Sakura-chan's happiness is Sasuke."
It's just mind-blowing. The sense of inferiority and undeserving is just uncanny, I almost can't even believe it. Naruto painfully ships SasuSaku and shares SS views like the shippers in the fandom yet has it only because of his unflinching ability to have a complete lack of confidence in winning over Sakura's affections. I swear, it seems like he has more confidence in saving Sasuke then finding love with Sakura. And Sakura? In a roundabout way, she feels the exact same. Not in having Naruto like her but her doubt and 80% sure possibility that she can never give him the personal fulfillment and happiness that she believes he deserves. In her opinion, Sakura feels like all she'll ever do is hurt him and make him suffer like she has in the past. So she feels like she's wasted effort in the long wrong but not because she doesn't think she can love him. So possibly seeing her painfully shipping NH and sharing NH views like the NH fandom is just ... my shipping feels.
It'd be very interesting to see since NS is the only pair so far that has this obvious degree of unworthiness. NaruHina doesn't have that. Hinata can't see past her own Naruto-centric bubble, she likely believes she deserves him. She hasn't even shown a sign of knowing Narutos' existent love for Sakura. And Naruto ... well, his feelings are pretty much non-existent. Sakura thinks Sasuke doesn't deserve her and Sasuke doesn't think he deserves Sakura because 1). Cares 0 about romantic love. 2). Sees her as weak, annoying, and sees her as just some person of Konoha. He's very selfish and childish still.
Kishi might be trying to tell us something ...
Great posts. Didn't really think to much about the undeserving part of your arguement. I mostly thought of the relationship from a close to love, but not there yet point of view. This adds a completely different perspective. I did have a feeling that the "I don't deserve Naruto" would show up, but not as in depth as you have put it. Having both of them feel undeserving and pushing each other away even more.... That actually makes me more excited to see what Kishi has in store for them.
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