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[TouKen4Life3g]

This is how i percieved the panel. Not from a jealousy or love standpoint, but as a friend being there for another. I believe that she see's this as another missed oppurtunity to help Naruto. Sakura complains that " The only things I can do for Naruto...... Are these little things" (Viz translation). This was a moment where Sakura could have done something in a way she finds to have a big impact on Naruto instead of small one. I can also believe that this is a reaction to the battle as well because i do not see jealousy in her experession. I see more shock and possibly sadness.

Question: when you say jealousy, do you mean like "What does Hinata sees in him? Ha. Like Naruto ever fall for her. I mean, I don't care. No way!" or more like "So he loves her...*sobs* I guess...I lost.."?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually she doesnt have to be avare of her feelings to be jealous. She just has to have that feeling in her gut. You know the "What is this weird feeling" thing. Its the form of jealousy she could definetly be experiencing. Or the type that friend-zoners get. You know the friend-zoners that dont want to sacrifice the friendship but kinda have feelings for the guy. Sakura kinda falls in that category. Your not dating me but dating Hinata would make me uncomfortable.

So can we agree that thats what she COULD be feeling?

What this has to do with shocked, i'm following up your theory that she was jealous still doesnt make any sense, why she would be shocked if she saw the handholding, moreover all the other shinobis on the background that also give the very same reaction as Sakura they give te shocked reactioh so we all conclude that the other shinobis also felt jealous of Naruto because they implicity love Naruto and want to be his girlfriend this is the reason why it does not make any sense because Sakura wasnt the only one who give this reaction, if even Kakashi who got a sharingan could not see the handholding.

She coudl felt a little sad when she found out that Hinata loved the right guy but srsly this theory does not make sense, Hinata is not that important and she's not an obstacle for NaruSaku.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 March 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I'm not saying he remembers her hugging Sasuke, but given what he does remember, I don't see why he wouldn't considering he still felt that she loved Sasuke when she gave her confession. That bit is up in the air.

As for the bolded, of course she shouldn't but seeing as how we're the readers in the situation and no more, I wouldn't put it past her to feel something regarding the relationship between Naruto and Hinata. Also, she should be jealous but I seriously doubt she is considering she hasn't been around Naruto enough to even know how strong the NS bond is...

Its basic human instinct to be jealous. And him thinking she loves Sasuke is entirely her faulth. During part 1 this idea was almost beat into him. So she will need to do a great job of convincing her othervise. But shes his Sakura so it shouldn`t be a problem.

@ darkrest.

You really are a pesimistic fellow arent ya? Well first tell me which part of my post has the word "shock" in it. I was mearly explaining how someone can feel jealous without knowing they love the person. As for Hinata being an obstacle for NS. Of course shes not. She has ambitions to have ambitions to be an obstacle for NS. But Sakura is a girl. A slightly insecure girl. And 16 year old girls (as Sakura said herself) do not always funtion on logic (sorry gals but you know its true).

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 24 March 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[Beastbomb]

Question: when you say jealousy, do you mean like "What does Hinata sees in him? Ha. Like Naruto ever fall for her. I mean, I don't care. No way!" or more like "So he loves her...*sobs* I guess...I lost.."?

When I think of Sakura as a jealous type, i see a "I'm to burdensome... mabye Hinata's better." I don't see Sakura thinking she lost to Hinata or even being better than her, just upset that she wasn't there when Naruto was in trouble. Could be the way i view romance, but i think if there was jealousy in that panel, then it would be in this form. I don't see Sakura being a jealous type when it comes to Naruto (except chp 442 when Sakura is thinking about Hinata's love for Naruto. This to me seems to show a type of jealousy. Which could destroy what my entire post, but im always open to a change in opinion). Although I colud be wrong and maybe her expression was one of jealousy, its hard for me to tell.

[HauntedCake]

This is how i percieved the panel. Not from a jealousy or love standpoint, but as a friend being there for another. I believe that she see's this as another missed oppurtunity to help Naruto. Sakura complains that " The only things I can do for Naruto...... Are these little things" (Viz translation). This was a moment where Sakura could have done something in a way she finds to have a big impact on Naruto instead of small one. I can also believe that this is a reaction to the battle as well because i do not see jealousy in her experession. I see more shock and possibly sadness.

But clearly if it was Sakura who did the pep talk, it would be from a love standpoint.

[StrikerTheNoble]

But clearly if it was Sakura who did the pep talk, it would be from a love standpoint.

Yes it would. Sakura could actually snap Naruto out of it. Hinata needed Neji and Kurama as her support to achive the same task that Sakura could of easily achieved alone. Honestly all it would take is for her to say: Do it for me. And he would get his ass back in the fight. Thats why Hinata in my opinion is a waist of panel time. If it was Sakura doing the pep talk she might even get some more development for herself, and NS may or may not become cannon. Instead we had to finish "developing" Hinata.

To get back to the original question.
Naruto and Sakura have history. And the conversation between them would be entirely different and more romantic that the one with Hinata. Honestly he could have a more romantic conversation with Ichiraku than with Hinata.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Its basic human instinct to be jealous. And him thinking she loves Sasuke is entirely her faulth. During part 1 this idea was almost beat into him. So she will need to do a great job of convincing her othervise. But shes his Sakura so it shouldn`t be a problem.

@ darkrest.

You really are a pesimistic fellow arent ya? Well first tell me which part of my post has the word "shock" in it. I was mearly explaining how someone can feel jealous without knowing they love the person. As for Hinata being an obstacle for NS. Of course shes not. She has ambitions to have ambitions to be an obstacle for NS. But Sakura is a girl. A slightly insecure girl. And 16 year old girls (as Sakura said herself) do not always funtion on logic (sorry gals but you know its true).

Just because i disagree you call me pessimist?
No matter how you call Sakura being jealous of Hinata is good just because It confirms NS but there's an huge downside of it, i just disagree with you because i dont believe that Hinata will be an obstacle for Narusaku when on 615 she hasnt, Sakura didnt feel that way (Hinata deserves you more) when she tried to sacrifice her life for Naruto.
Now i should swallow this theory that she suddenly starts caring about Hinata's feelings?
she was shocked just like all the other shinobi this is not an indicative that she saw the holdholding and think "i should be doing that" when there's no proof that she was looking at Naruto and Hinata when there is a lot of proofs that she was looking at Obito and was shocked because she was thinking that Naruto was about to give up, meaning that she does have a strong connection with Naruto, and the fact that she is emphasized on the moment that Hinata says "this is the real way to kill your friends" means a lot of things.

About the bolded one, she does not have ambitious to become an obstacle, second Hinata is not forcing her love into Naruto, and third all the claim that she only did the things because of love already got destroyed because of Neji's speech, Naruto now knows that she did things that all his other friends would also do for him.
Kishimoto just removed "Hinata's being special and above everyone else" NH claim.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 March 2013 - 07:17 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Just because i disagree you call me pessimist?
No matter how you call Sakura being jealous of Hinata is good just because It confirms NS but there's an huge downside of it, i just disagree with you because i dont believe that Hinata will be an obstacle for Narusaku when on 615 she hasnt, Sakura didnt feel that way (Hinata deserves you more) when she tried to sacrifice her life for Naruto.
Now i should swallow this theory that she suddenly starts caring about Hinata's feelings?
she was shocked just like all the other shinobi this is not an indicative that she saw the holdholding and think "i should be doing that" when there's no proof that she was looking at Naruto and Hinata when there is a lot of proofs that she was looking at Obito and was shocked because she was thinking that Naruto was about to give up, meaning that she does have a strong connection with Naruto, and the fact that she is emphasized on the moment that Hinata says "this is the real way to kill your friends" means a lot of things.

Its not just this post. Its the general feel around you. Its probably the name. Sorry if I offended you. BUt you still missed my point entirely. Its not a question of was she jealous, but could she be jealous if she didnt realise her feelings yet. I think yes. But I kinda get the feeling that were mixing apples and oranges.

The whole ambition thing is an idiom. I was making a point that she is a minimal treath. Like you can wish in your dreams. Its not meant to be taken litteraly. Its unreality inside unreality that shows and exageration.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 24 March 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

When I think of Sakura as a jealous type, i see a "I'm to burdensome... mabye Hinata's better." I don't see Sakura thinking she lost to Hinata or even being better than her, just upset that she wasn't there when Naruto was in trouble. Could be the way i view romance, but i think if there was jealousy in that panel, then it would be in this form. I don't see Sakura being a jealous type when it comes to Naruto (except chp 442 when Sakura is thinking about Hinata's love for Naruto. This to me seems to show a type of jealousy. Which could destroy what my entire post, but im always open to a change in opinion). Although I colud be wrong and maybe her expression was one of jealousy, its hard for me to tell.

Ah I got you. That's good. That said I do agree about the past event, but for now, I'll wait for this one to be exposed. About the burden line from chapter 297, that's the thing. Sakura is in the endless loop that she feels like she can't do anything helpful for Naruto, especially the last event, the promise being the curse for him. Naruto is not aware of it because it all happens when she's alone. Recap many events in the manga and you noticed that she thinks about nice and bad things around Naruto when Naruto is not around or not even awake. Even the movie did this. Kishi is making Naruto and Sakura to develop on their own and when they get together to talk about love, it's pretty much 100% win. It's like building up chances of making it true. Oh back to the line, Sakura always feel that if she can do something grand, she can be helpful, but in reality, it's just her being there with Naruto makes it the best support for him. Cheesy or not, it's true. Yamato tried to explain that but he insisted to tell her something that she may not be aware only to have Naruto interrupted it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Its not just this post. Its the general feel around you. Its probably the name. Sorry if I offended you. BUt you still missed my point entirely. Its not a question of was she jealous, but could she be jealous if she didnt realise her feelings yet. I think yes. But I kinda get the feeling that were mixing apples and oranges.

The whole ambition thing is an idiom. I was making a point that she is a minimal treath. Like you can wish in your dreams. Its not meant to be taken litteraly. Its unreality inside unreality that shows and exageration.

You said that you can be jealous without realizing it but i said that this part does not make sense anymore, i think we mixed 615 with the chapter were Sakura find out that Hinata loved naruto, the second part when she found out about Hinata's love, she was jealous but this was not sufficient for her to fall in love with Naruto the outcome of this was it pushed her to do the confession and even tried to kill Sasuke without mentioning this scene but it helped a little to push Sakura on that state on the kage's arc but wasnt sufficient for her to realized that she loves Naruto and not Sasuke anymore, so another claim is that Kishimoto shows again Sakura being jealous for what?
IF when she saw Hinata sacrificing her life for Naruto still didnt trigger a "love" for Naruto why Kishimoto would insist on Sakura being jealous again when the first attempt ended failling.

About Hinata for some reason i feel that she give up on Naruto i dont know i may being biased but all the NH claims were destroyed on 615, even her speech wasnt romantic, she just talkied about Naruto's nindo and even Naruto was thinking about Neji all the time, and he talking with Kyuubi.
NH is dead.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 March 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

You said that you can be jealous without realizing it but i said that this part does not make sense anymore, i think we mixed 615 with the chapter were Sakura find out that Hinata loved naruto, the second part when she found out that was jealous but this was not sufficient for her to fall in love with Naruto the outcome of this was it pushed her to do the confession and even tried to kill Sasuke without mentioning this scene but it helped a little to push Sakura on that state on the kage's arc but wasnt sufficient for her to realized that she loves Naruto and not Sasuke anymore, so another claim is that Kishimoto shows again Sakura being jealous for what?
IF when she saw Hinata sacrificing her life for Naruto still didnt trigger a "love" for Naruto why Kishimoto would insist on Sakura being jealous again when the first attempt ended failling.

About Hinata for some reason i fell that she give up on Naruto i dont know i may being biased but all the NH claims were destroyed on 615, even her speech wasnt romantic, she just talkied about Naruto's nindo and even Naruto was thinking about Neji all the time, and he talking with Kyuubi.
NH is dead.

I see where the missunderstanding was.

My claim was that You can be jealous without knowing you love the person. I never said you can be jeaolus with know your jealous. That rediculus.

Also I feel this is the perfect time to use this:

[Beastbomb]

But clearly if it was Sakura who did the pep talk, it would be from a love standpoint.

Not necessarily... Sakura could have had a speech 1) without holding on to his face, and 2) holding his hand. May not have been as effective if this was the case, but Sakura giving the speech does not have to be one that implies love. It's not the words that gives that scene the so moment between Naruto and Hinata, but the Hinata -> to Naruto interactions that cause this to be a NH moment (not how i see it, but the NH fandom is more than willing to disagree). If Sakura were to give the speech like Hinata did with the gentle holding of Naruto's face and the handholding, then I would claim it to be a loving moment between Sakura and Naruto ( because we all know that Naruto would act in someway that conveys his feelings for Sakura). I bet Kishi could have found plenty of ways to have Sakura give that speech while keeping it platonic. He just decided to stir up the fandoms by using Hinata instead.

[Dkey]

Sakura can be a jealous type, if we are to remember her and Ino's rivalry. Thou that jealousy was more than a bit immature. Also some anime fillers did depict her jealous

but,

Looking again at the chapter she pretty much seems shocked by the events. Neji died one of their closest friends, so it's pretty obvious that all of them would be shaken by this event. Let's admit it thou, Hinata did her part pretty well, she reminded Naruto who he was and what he stood for and because of it they managed a pretty successful counter attack. NH fans say it's romantic but she only did what Shikamaru did when Jiraya died.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not necessarily... Sakura could have had a speech 1) without holding on to his face, and 2) holding his hand. May not have been as effective if this was the case, but Sakura giving the speech does not have to be one that implies love. It's not the words that gives that scene the so moment between Naruto and Hinata, but the Hinata -> to Naruto interactions that cause this to be a NH moment (not how i see it, but the NH fandom is more than willing to disagree). If Sakura were to give the speech like Hinata did with the gentle holding of Naruto's face and the handholding, then I would claim it to be a loving moment between Sakura and Naruto ( because we all know that Naruto would act in someway that conveys his feelings for Sakura). I bet Kishi could have found plenty of ways to have Sakura give that speech while keeping it platonic. He just decided to stir up the fandoms by using Hinata instead.

I know it sounds biased but when I think about it, if it was Sakura, then it will be more of a shocking factor because again, this is the girl who is NOT in love with Naruto. Hinata loves him so it's given and not as shocking. I'm just wondering what plans Kishi has for Team 7 since they didn't show off yet, but coincidentally, we are in a new phase of a battle. So maybe, just maybe, they were saved for this. The pattern seems to suggest it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Putting the Nh claims here.

-Naruto moved on from Sakura
-Naruto fall in love with Hinata on 615.
-Naruto would never do that with Hinata after she tried to sacrificed her life for him two times
-Naruto is not selfish
-Hinata is the only one who did more things for Naruto
-Sakura is not capable of trying to sacrifice her life for Naruto on the same way that Hinata did

cannot help to think about the other ones but all the of those claim that it's tagged with the strikethough all got destroyed on Neji's speech.
If kishimoto shows a moment were Naruto still in love with Sakura i help to pay for the coffin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 March 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Putting the Nh claims here.

-Naruto moved on from Sakura
-Naruto fall in love with Hinata on 615.
-Naruto would never do that with Hinata after she tried to sacrificed her life for him two times
-Naruto is not selfish
-Hinata is the only one who did more things for Naruto
-Sakura is not capable of trying to sacrifice her life for Naruto on the same way that Hinata did

cannot help to think about the other ones but all the of those claim that it's tagged with the strikethough all got destroyed on Neji's speech.
If kishimoto shows a moment were Naruto still in love with Sakura i help to pay for the coffin.

Which brings me to my next image:

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura can be a jealous type, if we are to remember her and Ino's rivalry. Thou that jealousy was more than a bit immature. Also some anime fillers did depict her jealous

but,

Looking again at the chapter she pretty much seems shocked by the events. Neji died one of their closest friends, so it's pretty obvious that all of them would be shaken by this event. Let's admit it thou, Hinata did her part pretty well, she reminded Naruto who he was and what he stood for and because of it they managed a pretty successful counter attack. NH fans say it's romantic but she only did what Shikamaru did when Jiraya died.

She is like that character, it's just that Kishi is going more approach to sadness of jealousy, not comedy. Pretty much she's getting the Naruto's effect, and I'm not regarding 615. In anime, yes, they show her jealousy, so you can say either stick to character or ruin it. I know, it's not canon, but you get the idea. So in short, she is that type. I think it comes with it being a tsundere so it's not really a bad thing.

[Beastbomb]

I know it sounds biased but when I think about it, if it was Sakura, then it will be more of a shocking factor because again, this is the girl who is NOT in love with Naruto. Hinata loves him so it's given and not as shocking. I'm just wondering what plans Kishi has for Team 7 since they didn't show off yet, but coincidentally, we are in a new phase of a battle. So maybe, just maybe, they were saved for this. The pattern seems to suggest it.

I personally would not have been shocked. Since the beginning of part two, I have seen the feelings of Sakura change and based on the interactions that they have already had that are platonic, I believe Sakura could give the speech without a implication of love. Although being an NS fan, I would probably argue that it was. But a speech from Sakura would not surprise me at at all... Hope i phrased this answer right, not really sure if i gave a good one to your reply. I agree, I am excited to see what Kishsi has in store for Team 7 in the future. Hopefully he excludes Hinata from it all and brings her back in to finish her development with something like getting over Naruto and becoming heir to the hyuuga clan during the epilogue.

Edited by Beastbomb, 24 March 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[Tsubaki]

It's funny how people like to say that Sakura would never sacrifice herself for Naruto
but...



she sacrificed herself for Chiyo, a person that she barely knew but she would never do that for Naruto.. the most importante person to her?! srsly that people belive in that..

Also, I hate how the fandom praises Hinata for sacrifice herself for someone she loves, but gives no credit to Sakura for sacrifice herself for a person who wasn't even close to her.

[HauntedCake]

I know it sounds biased but when I think about it, if it was Sakura, then it will be more of a shocking factor because again, this is the girl who is NOT in love with Naruto. Hinata loves him so it's given and not as shocking. I'm just wondering what plans Kishi has for Team 7 since they didn't show off yet, but coincidentally, we are in a new phase of a battle. So maybe, just maybe, they were saved for this. The pattern seems to suggest it.

UMMMM not gonna agree with this. We know she hadn't accepted/found her love for him but it is there. You make it sound like she has nothing for him atm