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[Cherry-Bloss93]

I just find it kind of funny that some SasuSaku fans are cheering for Sakura to save Sasuke (even though he has Hashirama's chakra and most likely a back-up plan) yet say nothing about Naruto and his condition -.-

[oksus]

Did anyone else notice how Sasuke's Hawk suddenly has Rinnegan ?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just find it kind of funny that some SasuSaku fans are cheering for Sakura to save Sasuke (even though he has Hashirama's chakra and most likely a back-up plan) yet say nothing about Naruto and his condition -.-

Not sure why. At least for us we only got 50-50 with Minato or Sakura, or it can be another solution but who knows. That said Sasuke got many options and yeah, that's pushing it. Too bad he do have another healer, so the option is wearing thin. Whatever.

[咲耶姫]

If somebody had an arm cut off, or some broken ribs, or perhaps burned skin, then I would agree with you. Naruto just had his Bijuu removed and Sasuke has a hole in his heart. Normal healing techniques would be useless right now. The only way to help Naruto and Sasuke at this point would be to replace what has been lost immediately.

 

Sakura’s not a NORMAL healer, she’s Tsunade’s apprentice and has come to be equal to her, if not surpassed her. So we can’t say she gives normal healing. I see what you meant, but the word “normal” is not correct. She has more things in store than normal techniques; she already proved that with Yin seal. 

 

^That is possible. I'm not really a fan of that theory, but it's possible. Naruto's condition is more dramatic either way, he seriously needs help like right now. With Sasuke, we can relax. It's no biggie. He'll either quickly get saved by Karin, or save himself.

 

I strongly believe Sasuke is perfectly fine for now, the way he was stabbed by the sword in this chapter is looking too much like a trick to the readers, I’m sure next chapter, and we’ll see that it was a clone or something like that. After all, we’re talking about Sasuke; he wouldn’t jump in the enemy without thinking before doing so. And the face he has when he’s pierced by the sword looks too calm. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s really injured, but I would find it ridiculous at the very beginning of the fight. In fact, there wasn’t even a fight for now on.

 

I’m from those who believe Naruto will be brought to Minato who will give him the second half of Kyuubi. It’s the most logical situation to occur, Minato said he had a gift for Naruto, and from what we know, it’s the only way to save him, except if you’re a pairing fan and you want a very dramatic scenario, and it’s not like it was too farfetched, it’s possible for Sakura to do something that we are not already aware of as a healing technique.

 

Oh I don't mind. Thanks. I am quite tired of this as well. I'm just too lazy to answer. The chapter tags on tumblr are sad. First now that Sasuke is wounded, people shout "save your man!". With no mention of Naruto, as if a doctor's responsibility is limited to "her man" when he is in danger. Trying to overlook the proffesionalism just for the sake of pairing moments. <_< Please keep in mind that Sakura is first and foremost a ninja. : ( If she can save both with Katsuyu, fine.

 

But..I would actually like Karin to save Sasuke. I want a little snarky comment from her first, but she has already expressed her wish to help. Here's your chance Karin, go for it.

 

Why complain about SS fans believing in a SS moment? They have the right to expect a SS moment when Sasuke is supposed to be in danger. Weren’t we doing the same for NS during 2 or 3 weeks? We were also expecting Sakura to heal Naruto, so they have the right to want a pairing moment between Sasuke and Sakura and honestly, we can’t blame them for that, I mean, they hadn’t anything since…. I don’t even remember since I don’t count the “Sakura, huh” and the “Sasuke!”

Really, all that is a question of preference, they prefer Sakura with Sasuke, so it's normal for them to want her to go to him. 

And I know that it wasn't the same for us the previous weeks because Sasuke wasn't injured, but even now, I see NS fans anticipating Sakura to save Naruto without taking Sasuke's state in count. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. I just wanted to play the devil's lawyer. ^_^

 

But the truth is that, if Sasuke is really injured, it would be more logical for Karin to heal him, after all, why else would have Kishi brought Team Taka to the battlefield if it’s not for helping Sasuke? And it’s not even said if Sakura knows what is happening in the center battlefield. So it’s possible she doesn’t even know what happened to both Naruto and Sasuke. 

[Atheck]

I don't think injecting Yin Kurama into Naruto is going to save his life. If resuscitating a jinchuuriki was as simple to do as replacing the bijuu extracted from their body then Kushina would have survived after if it was returned to her (she was determined to have Kurama die with her after being resealed). Minato being preoccupied with an erratic Black Zetsu hell-bent on removing the other Rinnegan for Madara is another reason for not going to where he and Kakashi are. 

 

Naruto's condition has probably deteriorated to the point where medical techniques have no effect on him. Even with his Uzumaki vitality allowing him to cling to life by a thread, a tensei ninjutsu will likely be needed to return him to stable health.

 

In the meantime, Killer Bee seems to have been left behind by Gaara. We know who his priorities lie with but it's still sad to watch him neglect another beloved member of the Alliance like that. 

Edited by Atheck, 16 January 2014 - 05:54 AM.

[咲耶姫]

I don't think injecting Yin Kurama into Naruto is going to save his life. If resuscitating a jinchuuriki was as simple to do as replacing the bijuu extracted from their body then Kushina would have survived after if it was returned to her (she was determined to have Kurama die with her after being resealed). Minato being preoccupied with an erratic Black Zetsu hell-bent on removing the other Rinnegan for Madara is another reason for not going to where he and Kakashi are. 

 

Naruto's condition has probably deteriorated to the point where medical techniques have no effect on him. Even with his Uzumaki vitality allowing him to cling to life by a thread, a tensei ninjutsu will likely be needed to return him to stable health.

 

In the meantime, Killer Bee seems to have been left behind by Gaara. We know who his priorities lie with but it's still sad to watch him neglect another beloved member of the Alliance like that. 

I don't know if it's directed towards what I said, but if it's the case I was just saying she was not a normal healer which is true. And that she may have something in store that we don't know, and not necessarily to save Naruto. I was talking about her as a character in general, not as a character in the current plot (that's to say, Naruto on the verge of death, Sasuke stabbed etc)

 

For the rest I agree, I hadn't thought about the tensei solution. But still, I'm sure Naruto will have to regain Kyuubi sonner or later, after all, if there have to be a Naruto VS Sasuke fight at the end, they have to be at the same level, and I'm scared that without Kyuubi's power, Naruto is inferior at Sasuke.

 

And it's true that it is sad he left Bee behind considering he could easily create a sand cloud to take him with them. 

[Atheck]

I don't know if it's directed towards what I said, but if it's the case I was just saying she was not a normal healer which is true. And that she may have something in store that we don't know, and not necessarily to save Naruto. I was talking about her as a character in general, not as a character in the current plot (that's to say, Naruto on the verge of death, Sasuke stabbed etc)

That was directed at the idea of the bijuu being used as a survival tactic. But now that you bring it up, I do have some misgivings about Sakura using a jutsu like that. Her life force isn't as strong as Naruto's. It's probably an average amount for someone with no hereditary link to clans with powerful mutations in their DNA.

If Sakura uses that jutsu, her life expectancy would be shortened and Naruto would probably outlive her anyway because of his Uzumaki heritage. The consequences extend into every part of her life, including her relationship with Naruto. Using that jutsu would shorten their time together and that's why it would be detrimental for her to use it. On the other hand, if she doesn't use it then there is a strong possibility that Naruto could die. It's a no-win situation.

The only way it would be usable without having any negative side-effects is if she transfers Tsunade or Karin's life force instead. But then it might as well be one of those two using the jutsu.
 

For the rest I agree, I hadn't thought about the tensei solution. But still, I'm sure Naruto will have to regain Kyuubi sonner or later, after all, if there have to be a Naruto VS Sasuke fight at the end, they have to be at the same level, and I'm scared that without Kyuubi's power, Naruto is inferior at Sasuke.

Instead of taking the predictable route of having Kurama returned to full strength as he fights with Naruto, I would like to see how he could substitute Kurama's power with his senjutsu abilities. Have him refine what he currently knows and then expand on it as he learns to rely on summonings and the frog sages more. It would be similar to how Jiraiya fought, but Naruto has the uniqueness of his own fighting style and he could make compromises with them to accommodate his heavy clone usage.

[megi]

Instead of taking the predictable route of having Kurama returned to full strength as he fights with Naruto, I would like to see how he could substitute Kurama's power with his senjutsu abilities. Have him refine what he currently knows and then expand on it as he learns to rely on summonings and the frog sages more. It would be similar to how Jiraiya fought, but Naruto has the uniqueness of his own fighting style and he could make compromises with them to accommodate his heavy clone usage.

Love this idea a lot. Not that I dislike Kurama, but I just want Naruto to fight without him. My first guess was Kurama telling Gaara to take him to Minato... I really hope the next chapter surprises us. Although I do want Sakura in the picture somewhere...not sure how it would work out.

[Branden]

 

Sakura’s not a NORMAL healer, she’s Tsunade’s apprentice and has come to be equal to her, if not surpassed her. So we can’t say she gives normal healing. I see what you meant, but the word “normal” is not correct. She has more things in store than normal techniques; she already proved that with Yin seal. 

She's absolutely a normal healer. A good healer, perhaps even a master at this point, but still normal.

Prove to me that she has more in store than normal techniques, because it sounds to me like you are making conclusions based on assumptions.

[咲耶姫]

She's absolutely a normal healer. A good healer, perhaps even a master at this point, but still normal.

Prove to me that she has more in store than normal techniques, because it sounds to me like you are making conclusions based on assumptions.

 So you didn't mean "normal" as "normal level"? I thought you were saying she was normal in the sense she was as good as any random healer.

But what do you mean by normal technique?

[Branden]

So you didn't mean "normal" as "normal level"? I thought you were saying she was normal in the sense she was as good as any random healer.
But what do you mean by normal technique?

By normal I mean standard medical ninjutsu, surgery, and medicine usage.

 

Abnormal would be people like Karin who can fully heal grievous wounds in a matter of seconds.
http://www.mangapand...hapter-412.html

Or Chiyo who can transfer life directly into something, even inanimate objects.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html

 

The only thing I could imagine Sakura doing at this point is somehow using the Yin seal's healing capabilities on Sasuke to regenerate his heart.  If that's possible she may be able to save him if she acts immediately, and when I say immediately I mean do this within 30 seconds or he's dead.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Didn't she make a special cure for Kankuro that was once said that it's impossible to cure? Normal healer is a big understatement. Just because she does that healing thing doesn't mean she is normal. Hell, think as RPG. Let's take Ino, she can do cure 1. Sakura could do Cure 7. Think that way. I mean she was trying to save Shikamaru, who was supposed to die. Mixed in with Kuruma's chakra, it became 100% possible. I don't know but normal sounds like all medic not named Tsunade level, which is rookie.

[TouKen4Life3g]

By normal I mean standard medical ninjutsu, surgery, and medicine usage.

 

Abnormal would be people like Karin who can fully heal grievous wounds in a matter of seconds.
http://www.mangapand...hapter-412.html

Or Chiyo who can transfer life directly into something, even inanimate objects.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html

 

The only thing I could imagine Sakura doing at this point is somehow using the Yin seal's healing capabilities on Sasuke to regenerate his heart.  If that's possible she may be able to save him if she acts immediately, and when I say immediately I mean do this within 30 seconds or he's dead.

That's a bit better.

 

That said well, you can only go so far and surgery on heart seems well, yeah, possible maybe but do it asap. But that's why Sasuke's stab won't even be that huge. Too much around him says, "He's fine." It's clear that the Alliance is very far that you need Minato's kunai to transport to the destination. Sheesh, now we're finding an idea to make Sakura choose to heal? Or maybe I just need some sleep.

[Branden]

Didn't she make a special cure for Kankuro that was once said that it's impossible to cure? Normal healer is a big understatement. Just because she does that healing thing doesn't mean she is normal. Hell, think as RPG. Let's take Ino, she can do cure 1. Sakura could do Cure 7. Think that way. I mean she was trying to save Shikamaru, who was supposed to die. Mixed in with Kuruma's chakra, it became 100% possible. I don't know but normal sounds like all medic not named Tsunade level, which is rookie.

There's a difference between healing somebody with a deep cut and healing somebody with a giant gaping hole where there heart used to be. And it's even worse for Naruto, what's threatening his life isn't even a physical injury. I think it may be an injury on a paranormal level similar to the attack that Nagato uses to extract people's souls. If that's the case then the only thing that's going to save Naruto is getting Kurama back.

[TouKen4Life3g]

There's a difference between healing somebody with a deep cut and healing somebody with a giant gaping hole where there heart used to be. And it's even worse for Naruto, what's threatening his life isn't even a physical injury. I think it may be an injury on a paranormal level similar to the attack that Nagato uses to extract people's souls. If that's the case then the only thing that's going to save Naruto is getting Kurama back.

Yeah, that's why it will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I don't know about getting it back. Why Kushina will still die doing it? Something tells me it will be Obito doing the save since he is around. Really hard to choose one. I feel like you can stall death, but it will come until you do something and that is I have no idea. That's why I asked if you lose your bijuu, is it like losing a heart or is it like losing energy source, so you would need it back.

[Branden]

Yeah, that's why it will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I don't know about getting it back. Why Kushina will still die doing it? Something tells me it will be Obito doing the save since he is around. Really hard to choose one. I feel like you can stall death, but it will come until you do something and that is I have no idea. That's why I asked if you lose your bijuu, is it like losing a heart or is it like losing energy source, so you would need it back.

 

Remember back in part 1 when Orochimaru had his soul arms cut off by Hiruzen? After that his arms started rotting. Imagine the same thing but a vital organ. If you are REALLY tough then you'll be able to stay alive for a few minutes but unless you get your soul organ back then you're going to die. In this case Kurama has become an essential part of Naruto, without him Naruto will die. 

Edited by Branden, 16 January 2014 - 07:55 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Remember back in part 1 when Orochimaru had his soul arms cut off by Hiruzen? After that his arms started rotting. Imagine the same thing but a vital organ. If you are REALLY tough then you'll be able to stay alive for a few minutes but unless you get your soul organ back then you're going to die. In this case Kurama has become an essential part of Naruto, without him Naruto will die. 

I understand, but it doesn't explain why Kushina would die even doing the seal. It seems like Naruto needs to stall his death or have Obito do the sacrifice soon.

[Branden]

I understand, but it doesn't explain why Kushina would die even doing the seal. It seems like Naruto needs to stall his death or have Obito do the sacrifice soon.

Well it could mean that it doesn't matter what they do and Naruto will die regardless. There's also the possibility that Naruto is already dead and Gaara simply hasn't checked for a pulse yet. Kushina was a full blooded Uzumaki, Naruto is only half, so he might not be as resilient as Kushina was.

 

 

Oh, and is it safe to assume you are talking about Kushina dying regardless of whether or not she would have sealed Kurama in her?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well it could mean that it doesn't matter what they do and Naruto will die regardless. There's also the possibility that Naruto is already dead and Gaara simply hasn't checked for a pulse yet. Kushina was a full blooded Uzumaki, Naruto is only half, so he might not be as resilient as Kushina was.

 

 

Oh, and is it safe to assume you are talking about Kushina dying regardless of whether or not she would have sealed Kurama in her?

What I'm saying is that doing the seal equals cure doesn't seem to be the answer or at least that's what I think. I'm not ruling out Minato, but this seems odd and not making sense. Then again, how does Gaara even know where are others. Anyway, I don't know if he will be cured from that only. I would like a moment of a person think he can save one but fails because of fate. Kind of like how movies does it when they go to fix or heal someone and one other person believes it's impossible until it actually is impossible. Like Gaara himself. Naruto hoped that Gaara could live after healing by Sakura or at least a shot, but he was dead. Now, I want Gaara to feel that way. The difference is that Naruto is barely alive, but the time is coming. I don't know, but I hope the ass pull stays with Sasuke only. Lol.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 January 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[rocci]

wow this is interesting.

I assume the damage when a bijuu take away from his jinchuriki is same when a person goes 7 or 8 gate.

it restain the body and if you don't have uzumaki vitality you will die right away, unless you got a medical treatment.

thus why I believe if tsunade is around, minato can save kushina life. but this is just a speculation.

 

so in my prediction, sakura will use her seal power/chakra to perfom heavy healing tech to naruto.