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[HauntedCake]

I can't agree at all that there won't be another confession scene by either of them. It's almost a given that Naruto will confess to her. It would be stupid and half assed if Kishi didnt have a scene between the two due to all the build up.

Am i right in thinking you believe that if they don't talk to each other about it that's better then if they did? If this is true then please explain further because i'm really having a hard time trying to understand this.

[Codus N]

Yeah, but that's a confession. For example, a guy can say a really nice thing to her, but it's not love confession. However, she can be really moved by it to the point she realized what feelings she has for him. At this point, while NS moments come from Sakura, Naruto has to do something to trigger it.

Yeah, something like what happened with Future!Lucy and Natsu these past chapters in FT and moments like the ending in the movie.

*sigh*

Mashima has a yellow x pink pairing as well, but why, for the love of god, can Mashima write his version a 1000x better than Kishi??

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, something like what happened with Future!Lucy and Natsu these past chapters in FT and moments like the ending in the movie.

*sigh*

Mashima has a yellow x pink pairing as well, but why, for the love of god, can Mashima write his version a 1000x better than Kishi??

Yeah, I enjoyed that chapter. Anyway, eh, I wouldn't compare. One is straight forward and the other is trying to be complicated, but who knows. I still like NS more than other Shounens because it seems...real. It's not like "I'm a hero, you're my princess, let's get together" style, though I'm ok with that. It's just like how long time ago people who loves Disney were used to Snow White style of love: rush and no develop needed, until the renaissance era happened though few exceptions. What I'm trying to say is that not everything is same but the outcome is. Of course, my opinion can change if Kishi really go another direction, but let's return to this argument when the time comes.

[StriderC]

1- she wasnt staring because someome said that Neji died and they didnt see Neji, and what enforces this is why someome had to bring the news of Neji's death if they could see the handholding?
a lot of smoke on the background, some random ninjas, but none of them were the rookies and more smoke and smoke.
Lee only started crying when they went to Neji's body and see him dead so it's kinda obvious that if they see the handholding they also could see Neji dying, this is the most notable evidence that she wasnt staring but wavering because her panel was shown when other ninjas were wavering like Naruto's.


2->Kushina didnt loved anyone and was more obvious that she didnt liked him.
3->The same way that Kushina didnt needed to love someome, and moreover Sakura does not need to fall in love with another person.
4->No triangle love but Sasuke is not there.

1. What??? I'm not trying to knock you but when you place a reaction IN a current scene. Guess what!? That reaction is for that particular scene. If Sakura's reaction was to anyone else on chapter 615 page 9, then that reaction would of been somewhere else. She reacted to Neji's death already. She's obviously looking at Naruto and Hinata there. I'm sure if Kishi wanted to go that route, then she would of at least thought "Neji...", but no, nothing.

You're missing the point of my list apparently, so I'm not even gonna delve into anymore.

@NSg4life

I feel that the relationship Orihime and Ichigo has is something quite telling as well. Actually, when it comes to character development, I lean a bit to Bleach but overall story is Naruto to me. Naruto has way too many clone characters IMO moreso when it comes to Naruto. Then at times, it feels like Kishi fails with women, and he doesn't do enough with his heroine.

With Bleach, I feel like Kubo does better with his female characters, and they're flushed out more as well. His heroine Rukia for instance and his main character Orihime are great examples. I particularly like Orihime because of how realistic she is when it comes to emotions and such. He touches down on a lot when it comes to her love and I feel like Kishi should do that. I'm not saying make the story lovey dovey but be more realistic... Her love for Sasuke even AFTER he tried to kill her twice is just unreal, and ridiculous...

Edited by StriderC, 23 March 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@NSg4life

I feel that the relationship Orihime and Ichigo has is something quite telling as well. Actually, when it comes to character development, I lean a bit to Bleach but overall story is Naruto to me. Naruto has way too many clone characters IMO moreso when it comes to Naruto. Then at times, it feels like Kishi fails with women, and he doesn't do enough with his heroine.

With Bleach, I feel like Kubo does better with his female characters, and they're flushed out more as well. His heroine Rukia for instance and his main character Orihime are great examples. I particularly like Orihime because of how realistic she is when it comes to emotions and such. He touches down on a lot when it comes to her love and I feel like Kishi should do that. I'm not saying make the story lovey dovey but be more realistic... Her love for Sasuke even AFTER he tried to kill her twice is just unreal, and ridiculous...

To each of their own, but I still go with Naruto for many reasons. The main reason why I want this arc to end is because well, it's in that long Shounen typical battle spree. That's nice and all, but I enjoy Naruto mainly in the battle of not physical but mental. It's like Naruto always have to fight with the mind of others and I always feel like although he doesn't change, perhaps he don't want other change as well, which is why he's stuck in a loop of Sakura loving Sasuke. Actually, every personal developments always happen when they are alone or other not aware. Recap it and notice Naruto and Sakura doesn't see each other with the expression of thanking each other. Even in the movie it happens. Sure we get them interacted and few surprises like the hug, but when it comes to showing indication of newfound feeling, it's hidden.

Anyway, I always feel the reward is the usual in other Shounens besides One Piece. They really can make it rewarding in the end. Not the very end, but the ending of battle. That's one of the reasons I enjoy it a lot. So yeah, to me, this war arc goes on for so long, it almost make it seem like the whole series is always like that when that's not true at all. I most likely write a review and explain why I like it a lot. Also, the world is really explained well, even though it's mainly center on Konoha but I do feel like I have been there for ages. Others, not so much, but it's not a bad thing, it's just I like a long lasted series introducing many areas or make use of it, again credit goes to One Piece. After all, you can make millions of spin-off in that world, though since it's a manga, chance is slim. If it's a American product, you bet to see more of those. Again, to each of his own.

[StriderC]

To each of their own, but I still go with Naruto for many reasons. The main reason why I want this arc to end is because well, it's in that long Shounen typical battle spree. That's nice and all, but I enjoy Naruto mainly in the battle of not physical but mental. It's like Naruto always have to fight with the mind of others and I always feel like although he doesn't change, perhaps he don't want other change as well, which is why he's stuck in a loop of Sakura loving Sasuke. Actually, every personal developments always happen when they are alone or other not aware. Recap it and notice Naruto and Sakura doesn't see each other with the expression of thanking each other. Even in the movie it happens. Sure we get them interacted and few surprises like the hug, but when it comes to showing indication of newfound feeling, it's hidden.

Anyway, I always feel the reward is the usual in other Shounens besides One Piece. They really can make it rewarding in the end. Not the very end, but the ending of battle. That's one of the reasons I enjoy it a lot. So yeah, to me, this war arc goes on for so long, it almost make it seem like the whole series is always like that when that's not true at all. I most likely write a review and explain why I like it a lot. Also, the world is really explained well, even though it's mainly center on Konoha but I do feel like I have been there for ages. Others, not so much, but it's not a bad thing, it's just I like a long lasted series introducing many areas or make use of it, again credit goes to One Piece. After all, you can make millions of spin-off in that world, though since it's a manga, chance is slim. If it's a American product, you bet to see more of those. Again, to each of his own.

The point of my post was, Naruto has it's cons, and unfortunately, its with the characters, and character development. Not saying he doesn't execute it well. I'm saying, with some characters, it's lacking, and that mainly lies with the female characters. I love Sakura as a character, but Kishi could in all honesty do better. Look at the war, and how much she's been used. It doesn't matter if the side characters are all over the arc IMO. He can make room for his heroine just like he's made room for his male characters, and side characters.

Naruto wins storywise for me as well, and overall but Kubo knows how to write better characters. That's where Kishi lacks IMO. LOL That was my point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The point of my post was, Naruto has it's cons, and unfortunately, its with the characters, and character development. Not saying he doesn't execute it well. I'm saying, with some characters, it's lacking, and that mainly lies with the female characters. I love Sakura as a character, but Kishi could in all honesty do better. Look at the war, and how much she's been used. It doesn't matter if the side characters are all over the arc IMO. He can make room for his heroine just like he's made room for his male characters, and side characters.

Naruto wins storywise for me as well, and overall but Kubo knows how to write better characters. That's where Kishi lacks IMO. LOL That was my point.

That's cool. I don't know, I have mixed feelings. While I do like side characters, the protagonist is where I don't like and to be honest, it's not good to have side characters over the protagonist (how ironic). For starters, he doesn't feel like he's not needed. The only upside is power but that's not much to motivate me for him to win. In fact, the entire HM arc made me think what's his connection. Nothing until now though I still have problems. Here's one of my few flaws of Ichigo. First of all, all of the arcs keep making him get the status of "everything you are, I can be better." That's not good and it's lazy. It's like if Naruto was everything he come across, like I can have multiple hearts like Kakuzu, or I have a snake part of me, or heck, I'm an Uchiha. Ichigo is like that and that's lazy to make him stand out more. While he has badass design, it goes off quick and doesn't really that much demonstration to show it. When Sage Naruto arrives, you can feel the badass coming out of him and the way he shows was great, from missing a punch only for the chakra to hit Pain to do some resident evil gameplay inside of the frog body, it lasted long to show capable he is. Same goes to RKM, you feel that "You're mine!" feel.

Anyway, it's ironic because I do like side characters, but maybe they hogged too much screen time that I don't care for Ichigo, not even in the last arc. I'm not saying he should be the only to do all the fighting, but make me hope for him to win or anything. Take One Piece for example, the one thing Oda does great is making a very dislikeable villain, strong or not, and you want Luffy or anyone to shut him/her up and that's a great thing because Bleach just got a villain while Naruto is the same though the only perk is the lesson they learned at the end. So yeah, I do like side characters but the protagonist I don't care a lot and that's not good in my book.

[StrikerTheNoble]

That's cool. I don't know, I have mixed feelings. While I do like side characters, the protagonist is where I don't like and to be honest, it's not good to have side characters over the protagonist (how ironic). For starters, he doesn't feel like he's not needed. The only upside is power but that's not much to motivate me for him to win. In fact, the entire HM arc made me think what's his connection. Nothing until now though I still have problems. Here's one of my few flaws of Ichigo. First of all, all of the arcs keep making him get the status of "everything you are, I can be better." That's not good and it's lazy. It's like if Naruto was everything he come across, like I can have multiple hearts like Kakuzu, or I have a snake part of me, or heck, I'm an Uchiha. Ichigo is like that and that's lazy to make him stand out more. While he has badass design, it goes off quick and doesn't really that much demonstration to show it. When Sage Naruto arrives, you can feel the badass coming out of him and the way he shows was great, from missing a punch only for the chakra to hit Pain to do some resident evil gameplay inside of the frog body, it lasted long to show capable he is. Same goes to RKM, you feel that "You're mine!" feel.

Anyway, it's ironic because I do like side characters, but maybe they hogged too much screen time that I don't care for Ichigo, not even in the last arc. I'm not saying he should be the only to do all the fighting, but make me hope for him to win or anything. Take One Piece for example, the one thing Oda does great is making a very dislikeable villain, strong or not, and you want Luffy or anyone to shut him/her up and that's a great thing because Bleach just got a villain while Naruto is the same though the only perk is the lesson they learned at the end. So yeah, I do like side characters but the protagonist I don't care a lot and that's not good in my book.

Someone should give a medal to Rock Lee for being the most likeable Konoha side charater. Feel free to disagree but i would like to know why guys.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Someone should give a medal to Rock Lee for being the most likeable Konoha side charater. Feel free to disagree but i would like to know why guys.

I do like him and appreciated that he knocked Madara out of the control of Juubi. That's a nice touch. His developments in part 1 was great, though it seems like Kishi don't have anymore for him in part 2, just to close it with his rival, Neji, letting us know how they developed and became friends, rather than one is forever cocky. So yeah, I like him.

[T XD]

That's cool. I don't know, I have mixed feelings. While I do like side characters, the protagonist is where I don't like and to be honest, it's not good to have side characters over the protagonist (how ironic). For starters, he doesn't feel like he's not needed. The only upside is power but that's not much to motivate me for him to win. In fact, the entire HM arc made me think what's his connection. Nothing until now though I still have problems. Here's one of my few flaws of Ichigo. First of all, all of the arcs keep making him get the status of "everything you are, I can be better." That's not good and it's lazy. It's like if Naruto was everything he come across, like I can have multiple hearts like Kakuzu, or I have a snake part of me, or heck, I'm an Uchiha. Ichigo is like that and that's lazy to make him stand out more. While he has badass design, it goes off quick and doesn't really that much demonstration to show it. When Sage Naruto arrives, you can feel the badass coming out of him and the way he shows was great, from missing a punch only for the chakra to hit Pain to do some resident evil gameplay inside of the frog body, it lasted long to show capable he is. Same goes to RKM, you feel that "You're mine!" feel.

Anyway, it's ironic because I do like side characters, but maybe they hogged too much screen time that I don't care for Ichigo, not even in the last arc. I'm not saying he should be the only to do all the fighting, but make me hope for him to win or anything. Take One Piece for example, the one thing Oda does great is making a very dislikeable villain, strong or not, and you want Luffy or anyone to shut him/her up and that's a great thing because Bleach just got a villain while Naruto is the same though the only perk is the lesson they learned at the end. So yeah, I do like side characters but the protagonist I don't care a lot and that's not good in my book.

I agree with you there. Ichigo is overrated especially in his powers. Soul reaper and Quincy powers, not to mention that he has always power ups. I won't be surprised if he transformed to a mutated monster as a power up too !

Though, I like Bleach and Ichigo is one of my favorite characters, but the over stuffed development for the protagonist is too much sometimes.

Someone should give a medal to Rock Lee for being the most likeable Konoha side charater. Feel free to disagree but i would like to know why guys.

He is the most likeable but I think that Shikamaru is in the same boat as he is XD

Edited by T XD, 23 March 2013 - 04:57 PM.

[Branden]

Someone should give a medal to Rock Lee for being the most likeable Konoha side charater. Feel free to disagree but i would like to know why guys.

as much as it pains me to admit it, Hinata would probobly win that competition. I dont see crazy Shino fans anywhere, but Hinata is a different story...

[T XD]

as much as it pains me to admit it, Hinata would probobly win that competition. I dont see crazy Shino fans anywhere, but Hinata is a different story...

Yeah, but in the overall Naruto fandom, don't you think she comes in third or second place ?

[StrikerTheNoble]

as much as it pains me to admit it, Hinata would probobly win that competition. I dont see crazy Shino fans anywhere, but Hinata is a different story...

Yea she would win in reality. But its not because of her skills, actions or characters. Hinata fans are either guys who like boobs or girls (and some guys) who identify with the shy girl with a crush. So its not really her charater that would win but rather her situation. Lee on the other side is likeable as a person.

[Branden]

Yeah, but in the overall Naruto fandom, don't you think she comes in third or second place ?

well I'm sure she would rank highly in Europe and America, but in Japan she would be much lower.

[StriderC]

That's cool. I don't know, I have mixed feelings. While I do like side characters, the protagonist is where I don't like and to be honest, it's not good to have side characters over the protagonist (how ironic). For starters, he doesn't feel like he's not needed. The only upside is power but that's not much to motivate me for him to win. In fact, the entire HM arc made me think what's his connection. Nothing until now though I still have problems. Here's one of my few flaws of Ichigo. First of all, all of the arcs keep making him get the status of "everything you are, I can be better." That's not good and it's lazy. It's like if Naruto was everything he come across, like I can have multiple hearts like Kakuzu, or I have a snake part of me, or heck, I'm an Uchiha. Ichigo is like that and that's lazy to make him stand out more. While he has badass design, it goes off quick and doesn't really that much demonstration to show it. When Sage Naruto arrives, you can feel the badass coming out of him and the way he shows was great, from missing a punch only for the chakra to hit Pain to do some resident evil gameplay inside of the frog body, it lasted long to show capable he is. Same goes to RKM, you feel that "You're mine!" feel.

Anyway, it's ironic because I do like side characters, but maybe they hogged too much screen time that I don't care for Ichigo, not even in the last arc. I'm not saying he should be the only to do all the fighting, but make me hope for him to win or anything. Take One Piece for example, the one thing Oda does great is making a very dislikeable villain, strong or not, and you want Luffy or anyone to shut him/her up and that's a great thing because Bleach just got a villain while Naruto is the same though the only perk is the lesson they learned at the end. So yeah, I do like side characters but the protagonist I don't care a lot and that's not good in my book.

That's one of my problems with it actually. Character wise, he's alright, but as far as his powers go, I find them to be a bit ridiculous. I was fine with the hollow but then came the FB and then the Quincy powers and I sort of just couldn't believe Kubo went that route with it. It was lame as hell but I wasn't talking about powers. I was talking about characters. I agree with you when it comes to his powers though. As far as the powers in Naruto goes, I can't stand the sharingan. It's wayyyy too hax for me to even like. If it excelled in one area, then it would be more tolerable but it has the ultimate ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc etc. It's RIDICULOUS.

As far as the second paragraph goes, I can't speak on One Piece since I have no interest in it. The art throws me off. As far as the comparison between Naruto and Bleach goes when it comes to villains, Bleach too had a villain learned something at the end, but I don't look to that though because I don't always want to pity the villain. I'm meh on Ichigo most of the time as well but still, Kubo has made some great characters. Female characters also.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's one of my problems with it actually. Character wise, he's alright, but as far as his powers go, I find them to be a bit ridiculous. I was fine with the hollow but then came the FB and then the Quincy powers and I sort of just couldn't believe Kubo went that route with it. It was lame as hell but I wasn't talking about powers. I was talking about characters. I agree with you when it comes to his powers though. As far as the powers in Naruto goes, I can't stand the sharingan. It's wayyyy too hax for me to even like. If it excelled in one area, then it would be more tolerable but it has the ultimate ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc etc. It's RIDICULOUS.

As far as the second paragraph goes, I can't speak on One Piece since I have no interest in it. The art throws me off. As far as the comparison between Naruto and Bleach goes when it comes to villains, Bleach too had a villain learned something at the end, but I don't look to that though because I don't always want to pity the villain. I'm meh on Ichigo most of the time as well but still, Kubo has made some great characters. Female characters also.

Well, we should discuss this elsewhere with anime/manga comparison. Funny, I always say if you can tolerate the art of One Piece, you can find a hidden treasure. Anyway, I like the characters, I just think the side characters take too much glory from the main guys, which shouldn't be the case but oh well. I'll come back when I reread it.

[StrikerTheNoble]

That's one of my problems with it actually. Character wise, he's alright, but as far as his powers go, I find them to be a bit ridiculous. I was fine with the hollow but then came the FB and then the Quincy powers and I sort of just couldn't believe Kubo went that route with it. It was lame as hell but I wasn't talking about powers. I was talking about characters. I agree with you when it comes to his powers though. As far as the powers in Naruto goes, I can't stand the sharingan. It's wayyyy too hax for me to even like. If it excelled in one area, then it would be more tolerable but it has the ultimate ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc etc. It's RIDICULOUS.

As far as the second paragraph goes, I can't speak on One Piece since I have no interest in it. The art throws me off. As far as the comparison between Naruto and Bleach goes when it comes to villains, Bleach too had a villain learned something at the end, but I don't look to that though because I don't always want to pity the villain. I'm meh on Ichigo most of the time as well but still, Kubo has made some great characters. Female characters also.

Honetsly Sasuke is WAY overrated. When i look at him I think of the guys who spam rocket launchers in video games.

Ill do a little list of Sasuke and the Sharingan

Sharingan:

• copies most ninjutsu
• removes the high speed vision blur
• is able to keep up with the speed of 3 tails kyuubi mode
• can communicate with kyuubi inside naruto.
• can remove death
• can trap a person in an eternal loop
• can go to an different dimension and become untouchable
• can create an ultimate flame that can not be extinguished
• can create an ultimate genjutsu that can last forever.
• can create an ultimate defence at minimal chakra cost that also has an ultimate attack.
• can be used with no risks whatsoever if you steal your brothers sharingan.

Sasuke:

• Learns a fire jutsu at an absurdly young age
• is thaught a jutsu that looks like its lighting based but its confirmed from the start its not.
• learns to summon a hawk
• has a seal so he doesnt have to carry kitten around
• learns a justu to manipulate lighting itself
• can make a long range version of the chidori
• can use chidori without moving even thoe its a speed based technique
• randomly gains mangekyou sharingan and forgets ALL his other jutsus.
• Starts spamming mangekyou
• Goes blind in less then a month.
• WAS NEVER SHOWN DURING JUTSU TRAINING.

Honestly this guy is even a bigger Asspull then NH/SS combined.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Let's just hope he doesn't list "SS canon" in that list. I got chills...

[T XD]

Sasuke, the Ichigo power version of the Naruto series XD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1. What??? I'm not trying to knock you but when you place a reaction IN a current scene. Guess what!? That reaction is for that particular scene. If Sakura's reaction was to anyone else on chapter 615 page 9, then that reaction would of been somewhere else. She reacted to Neji's death already. She's obviously looking at Naruto and Hinata there. I'm sure if Kishi wanted to go that route, then she would of at least thought "Neji...", but no, nothing.

You're missing the point of my list apparently, so I'm not even gonna delve into anymore.

@NSg4life

I feel that the relationship Orihime and Ichigo has is something quite telling as well. Actually, when it comes to character development, I lean a bit to Bleach but overall story is Naruto to me. Naruto has way too many clone characters IMO moreso when it comes to Naruto. Then at times, it feels like Kishi fails with women, and he doesn't do enough with his heroine.

With Bleach, I feel like Kubo does better with his female characters, and they're flushed out more as well. His heroine Rukia for instance and his main character Orihime are great examples. I particularly like Orihime because of how realistic she is when it comes to emotions and such. He touches down on a lot when it comes to her love and I feel like Kishi should do that. I'm not saying make the story lovey dovey but be more realistic... Her love for Sasuke even AFTER he tried to kill her twice is just unreal, and ridiculous...

Strange...
She could see the handholding but could not see Neji's death.

About the reaction she there's a panel of her reacting along with everyone of the news and on the other wavering.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 March 2013 - 05:42 PM.