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[ns.Believe.It]

The way Kishi has portrayed Sakura's feelings, its a bit difficult to guess whether she has realized she loves Naruto, whether she is aware of her feelings for Naruto, whether she is over Sasuke, whether she still likes Sasuke or whether she loves Naruto but hasn't realised yet! We have evidences suggesting all of the above! Even during the Land of Iron arc......she could not kill Sasuke due to her lingering feelings but her memories suggested something else entirely! For all I know, Kakashi's words were clear. Then we have a scene at the start of part 2 which suggests she fell out of her love for Sasuke. Literally, it is very difficult to guess what is her current situation regarding her love! 'I don't care about Sasuke' won't come since it is OOC for her. I do want that but let's face it, it is not happening. She can stop loving Sasuke but cannot stop caring for him because that's the type of girl she is! Regarding her love, literally anything regarding her current status is possible and we have evidences supporting each of them. Its complicated, really

Its not really that complicated. Her words suggest she loves both Naruto and Sasuke. Her actions suggest her love for Naruto is getting stronger and her love for Sasuke getting weaker.

[narusaku256]

Its not really that complicated. Her words suggest she loves both Naruto and Sasuke. Her actions suggest her love for Naruto is getting stronger and her love for Sasuke getting weaker.

I am sorry but I disagree with this. You cannot love two people at once. If this is the case, then it is not true love and its a bad look on Sakura. Since this is not the case, at this stage either she believes she still loves Sasuke and is still oblivious to her feelings for Naruto or she has already realized she loves Naruto and got over Sasuke either lately or long back at the start of Part 2. The only time we'll know when she got over Sasuke is when Kishi gives a resolution to the pairing wars

[ns.Believe.It]

I am sorry but I disagree with this. You cannot love two people at once. If this is the case, then it is not true love and its a bad look on Sakura. Since this is not the case, at this stage either she believes she still loves Sasuke and is still oblivious to her feelings for Naruto or she has already realized she loves Naruto and got over Sasuke either lately or long back at the start of Part 2. The only time we'll know when she got over Sasuke is when Kishi gives a resolution to the pairing wars

Of course. You can call her liking for Sasuke as superficial love or attachment or whatever, but it exists nonetheless. You are right when you say that is not true love. She is in the process of learning what true love really is. You can't assume she has completely lost those feelings for Sasuke though because she hasn't yet said so. But in the end, she will truly love someone and we know who that is 

[narusaku256]

Of course. You can call her liking for Sasuke as superficial love or attachment or whatever, but it exists nonetheless. You are right when you say that is not true love. She is in the process of learning what true love really is. You can't assume she has completely lost those feelings for Sasuke though because she hasn't yet said so. But in the end, she will truly love someone and we know who that is 

As much as I want to deny her feelings for Sasuke, neglecting or being in denial won't work. Sigh. But anyways, yeah, you can say that she is in the process of learning what true love is. Like I said, anything at this moment is possible with her feelings, right from getting over from the start of P2 to still having some feelings for Sasuke which will be made clear in the resolution which I suppose will come soon in coming chapters....

[James S Cassidy]

Devil's advocate here, but are you truly sure you guys are not confusing yourselves?

Kakashi's viewpoint that of part 1 Sakura saying she was in love with Sasuke has changed in part 2 is kind of revealing. How can it be taken any other way? I don't see how this can be seen as anything else and have to wonder whether we make our own misinterpretation. As I said, why does it seem like Sakura can not have a middle ground with Sasuke in not being in love with him, but still caring for him. Many of the posts I read imply that she is still "partially" in love with Sasuke or something like that. How? I understand the feeling of formerly loving someone and being unable to let go a part of them inside of you, but that doesn't mean you are in love with or want to be with them. Hell, I still think about my ex, but I realized I hate her. I hate for what she did to me.

This is why sometimes I feel we are over-analyzing for the sake of security. What if it is just as it is and we are the ones making it confusing? There's nothing supporting that she is still in love with him and everything so far has been too ambiguous to really tell. A lot of times people want to find proof that she is no longer in love with him, well I offer another view....show me a panel proving she still is and I mean recently after what Kakashi said. Are there any panels proving that Kakashi is wrong in his view point? I don't see any.

We can never really know what Sakura is thinking at this point, but I think it is a smart guess to say she is definitely not in love with Sasuke anymore simply due to several indications: Kakashi pointing it out and also Kishi's writing habits. The fact that we have two girls, who are indeed guaranteed in love with the boy, and Sakura don't even act similar in any way or even changed from that to what she is now kind of sends a point to me that something has definitely changed. People might not understand, at least I think they don't, but ifSakura was truly still in love with Sasuke she would be acting similar to that of Karin and Hinata.

I can even tell this in fan art when fans keep having Sakura as this brain dip always thinking of Sasuke, but Kishi never has her depicted that way. Seriously, compare to fan art to what people think Sakura is thinking and compare it to what she is actually thinking. It may not be a strong indication, but it can prove how people misinterpret things easily based on seeing only what they want to believe.
 

 

I am sorry but I disagree with this. You cannot love two people at once. If this is the case, then it is not true love and its a bad look on Sakura. Since this is not the case, at this stage either she believes she still loves Sasuke and is still oblivious to her feelings for Naruto or she has already realized she loves Naruto and got over Sasuke either lately or long back at the start of Part 2. The only time we'll know when she got over Sasuke is when Kishi gives a resolution to the pairing wars

I disagree with this, but that is more personal experience rather than something I can explain. Sometimes, you can truly love someone and let them go so they can find a better life. They may come back, they may not, but you don't fall out of love with them. You just kind of keep them in your heart and walk the path you are on.

We all have different beliefs in life. Anything is possible. What one person can do, another can't. It is how it is.
 

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 July 2014 - 08:22 AM.

[narusaku256]

Devil's advocate here, but are you truly sure you guys are not confusing yourselves?

Kakashi's viewpoint that of part 1 Sakura saying she was in love with Sasuke has changed in part 2 is kind of revealing. How can it be taken any other way? I don't see how this can be seen as anything else and have to wonder whether we make our own misinterpretation. As I said, why does it seem like Sakura can not have a middle ground with Sasuke in not being in love with him, but still caring for him. Many of the posts I read imply that she is still "partially" in love with Sasuke or something like that. How? I understand the feeling of formerly loving someone and being unable to let go a part of them inside of you, but that doesn't mean you are in love with or want to be with them. Hell, I still think about my ex, but I realized I hate her. I hate for what she did to me.

This is why sometimes I feel we are over-analyzing for the sake of security. What if it is just as it is and we are the ones making it confusing? There's nothing supporting that she is still in love with him and everything so far has been too ambiguous to really tell. A lot of times people want to find proof that she is no longer in love with him, well I offer another view....show me a panel proving she still is and I mean recently after what Kakashi said. Are there any panels proving that Kakashi is wrong in his view point? I don't see any.

We can never really know what Sakura is thinking at this point, but I think it is a smart guess to say she is definitely not in love with Sasuke anymore simply due to several indications: Kakashi pointing it out and also Kishi's writing habits. The fact that we have two girls, who are indeed guaranteed in love with the boy, and Sakura don't even act similar in any way or even changed from that to what she is now kind of sends a point to me that something has definitely changed. People might not understand, at least I think they don't, but ifSakura was truly still in love with Sasuke she would be acting similar to that of Karin and Hinata.

I can even tell this in fan art when fans keep having Sakura as this brain dip always thinking of Sasuke, but Kishi never has her depicted that way. Seriously, compare to fan art to what people think Sakura is thinking and compare it to what she is actually thinking. It may not be a strong indication, but it can prove how people misinterpret things easily based on seeing only what they want to believe.
 
 
I disagree with this, but that is more personal experience rather than something I can explain. Sometimes, you can truly love someone and let them go so they can find a better life. They may come back, they may not, but you don't fall out of love with them. You just kind of keep them in your heart and walk the path you are on.

We all have different beliefs in life. Anything is possible. What one person can do, another can't. It is how it is.
 
 

Or you just move forward still treasuring the moments but not loving the person anymore! But as you said its a matter of personal experience and so.......I'll stick to what I said . No offence to you, maybe you are right, but I still choose to stick with my opinion .

Kakashi's words were right! 100%! What I am not sure of is whether Sakura realizes this? I think it will be made clear in the resolution what exactly is the scenario....I guess....

[James S Cassidy]

Or you just move forward still treasuring the moments but not loving the person anymore! But as you said its a matter of personal experience and so.......I'll stick to what I said . No offence to you, maybe you are right, but I still choose to stick with my opinion .

Kakashi's words were right! 100%! What I am not sure of is whether Sakura realizes this? I think it will be made clear in the resolution what exactly is the scenario....I guess....

What is impossible for one is reality for another. I can't imagine myself as a woman, doesn't mean they don't exist. (Or do they? Dun dun dun.)

Jokes aside....that leads me to wonder even more on something. Just because we don't have all the information doesn't mean the characters don't. The only difference being is we aren't told what is the situation yet, so we cannot judge what is and what is not until the story ends and the questions have been answered.

 

[narusaku256]

What is impossible for one is reality for another. I can't imagine myself as a woman, doesn't mean they don't exist. (Or do they? Dun dun dun.)

Jokes aside....that leads me to wonder even more on something. Just because we don't have all the information doesn't mean the characters don't. The only difference being is we aren't told what is the situation yet, so we cannot judge what is and what is not until the story ends and the questions have been answered.

 

You do have a point there!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And that argument could easily be applied to NaruHina as well making NH nothing more than "because Naruto couldn't have Sakura and never saw Hinata on equal footing."

I cannot b applied since theorically Hinata and Sakura are on equal footing, in terms of allegiance and etc...
SS is a different case because she claimed she moved on because Sasuke is evil, that's a silver medal for Naruto, she didnt realized she loves him but rather he's a better choice and that makes no sense since love inst about choices.

[Lilac]

I cannot b applied since theorically Hinata and Sakura are on equal footing, in terms of allegiance and etc...
SS is a different case because she claimed she moved on because Sasuke is evil, that's a silver medal for Naruto, she didnt realized she loves him but rather he's a better choice and that makes no sense since love inst about choices.

 

I don't see it as a silver medal type thing, but as something else. What spurned the confession? Sai told her Naruto loves her and that she causes him pain. It was an attempt to take away the burden she was brought to believe was her fault. To clarify, I don't think you should take the confession as an actual confession (A real one will come later, I hope!) She was saying all the reasons why Naruto was better for her than Sasuke, but the feelings behind those words weren't there (yet!) which is why Naruto told her she was lying to herself. When Sakura chooses Naruto over Sasuke, it will be a choice, not a "well, Sasuke will never want me" thing.

Edited by Lilac, 27 July 2014 - 11:47 AM.

[talkNOjutsu]

I don't understand.   Why does Naruto become a silver medal? A twelve year old girl's love based on coolness and looks is considered gold? When she realizes her mistake and later decides to love someone who cares for her and has a great personality and she makes this choice at an older age, its considered silver? 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't understand.   Why does Naruto become a silver medal? A twelve year old girl's love based on coolness and looks is considered gold? When she realizes her mistake and later decides to love someone who cares for her and has a great personality and she makes this choice at an older age, its considered silver? 

Then why Kishimoto portraited Sakura's love for Sasuke as something genuine or even "true love" it should had happened it way sooner.
It only damages NS and the pairing subplot, all this resolved around a girl what about the main character feelings that barely are focused upon on?

[ns.Believe.It]

Then why Kishimoto portraited Sakura's love for Sasuke as something genuine or even "true love" it should had happened it way sooner.
It only damages NS and the pairing subplot, all this resolved around a girl what about the main character feelings that barely are focused upon on?

Maybe for the sake of Drama? Maybe to delay the resolution until the last chapters? Maybe to prevent NH/SS fans from dropping the manga? It doesn't really damage NS. Its not as if Sakura keeps proclaiming she loves Sasuke in part 2. Her love for Naruto is shown to be slowly building up.

[Nate River]

And that argument could easily be applied to NaruHina as well making NH nothing more than "because Naruto couldn't have Sakura and never saw Hinata on equal footing."

I don't subscribe to the argument. You asked why, so I explained the gist it. Personally, I don't care whether she chooses Naruto with them on equal ground. If the SS fans want to say it's just because he was gone, fine, I don't care. It is helpful to having a working relationship that the parties be around each other and not be total jackasses. If Sasuke can't do either and "loses" because of it then that's kind of tough. Life works like that.I agree with your earlier point about not getting your first love. Most people don't.

If Sakura choose him solely or mostly because she had to have someone, anyone, and he was easy to pick up leftovers. Then yes, that's a silver metal, but the development isn't suggesting that. Sasuke's absence makes than easier because it meant more interaction between them without Sasuke present.

Second, to say it could apply to NH: (1) it's not a counter, it's a dodge. If I'm straight SS why would I care if it applies to NH? How does that impact SS at all? (2) Not really, because Hinata is around and is not running around being a jackass nor, when she returns, treating her potential love interest like crap.

When I say equal footing I mean he is there not running around as a missing-nin and not dancing all over the moral event horizon with murder attempts. He'd be there, and well, he's still be kind of a jerk but alot closer to a good guy jerk that to an evil villain.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe for the sake of Drama? Maybe to delay the resolution until the last chapters? Maybe to prevent NH/SS fans from dropping the manga? It doesn't really damage NS. Its not as if Sakura keeps proclaiming she loves Sasuke in part 2. Her love for Naruto is shown to be slowly building up.

That's the problem if he wanted to delay the resolution until the last chapters why Sakura's foundations to love Sasuke so crappy?
If for the sake of Drama why dont just skip Sakura and focus more on Naruto's feelings for her? Showing the audience she's special to him and not just another one of his friends.
How it doesnt damage NS when Naruto is the guy who was in love with Sakura since the begining and Kishimotoand puts his love interest on equal footing with his other friends and even fodders.

[shika1]

^^

any translation for this ?!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^^
any translation for this ?!

Absolutely Disgusting.

[ns.Believe.It]

That's the problem if he wanted to delay the resolution until the last chapters why Sakura's foundations to love Sasuke so crappy?

To give a message to young girls that falling in love with the dark, cool guy is not a good idea and its better to love the guy who supports and understands you. 

 

If for the sake of Drama why dont just skip Sakura and focus more on Naruto's feelings for her? Showing the audience she's special to him and not just another one of his friends.

Sakura is special to Naruto. How can you even question this? This is so obvious from PoAL.

 

Naruto's feelings for her have been touched upon in almost the entire Part 1 of the manga! Starting from chapter 3 upto the PoAL. 

Even in Part 2 he has asked her out, been impressed when he saw her curing Kankuro, blushed when she was about to feed him, shocked when she hugged him and even called her more or less his girlfriend. What friend of his has received such special attention from him? More of it would be just boring and overkill.

 

Part 2 is all about Sakura changing her feelings for Naruto.

 

How it doesnt damage NS when Naruto is the guy who was in love with Sakura since the begining and Kishimotoand puts his love interest on equal footing with his other friends and even fodders.

It has not been put on equal footing with others. It has been consistently written positively throughout the manga. No sudden asspull moments like those given for NH or negative moments like those given for SS.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To give a message to young girls that falling in love with the dark, cool guy is not a good idea and its better to love the guy who supports and understands you.

What?
It should have happened sooner because it makes no sense.
 

Sakura is special to Naruto. How can you even question this? This is so obvious from PoAL.

Like everyone else, that's so obvious from countless panels of Nakama showed about.
And the POAL despite being a promise it's something he will achieve not based on this so there's nothing special about the POAL, it was just for Sakura to feel better.
Because Naruto is going to save Sasuke because of his reasons on which was state don the summit and thoughtout the manga.
There's no a single promise or an event that Naruto did it specially to Sakura.
 

Naruto's feelings for her have been touched upon in almost the entire Part 1 of the manga! Starting from chapter 3 upto the PoAL.

Touched upon?
You mean moments that aways end up like a joke, without any moments of determination and supporting each other directly without saving words on your mind.
 

Even in Part 2 he has asked her out

Joke.

, been impressed when he saw her curing Kankuro

Being impressed about someome else abilities is no big deal, i can even compare with other animes that has similar premise.
I can give guilty crown as an example where the MC is betrayed by his friends and is saved by the heroine and she tells him to stop blaming himself and says that she'll always be at his side and helps him to stand up.
I can tell about SAO where the main character goes up to beat an entire game to save her and moments where they're together on 1st arc.

I may be wrong for sure but i didnt see a single moment where Sakura helped Naruto to standup on one of his most dire moments.

, blushed when she was about to feed him, shocked when she hugged him and even called her more or less his girlfriend. What friend of his has received such special attention from him? More of it would be just boring and overkill.

JOKE JOKE JOKE.
And to make matters worse let me show you aanother moments, remember when Naruto was at the hospital with his arm wounded because of rasenshuriken and Sakura worried about, remember how that moment could have served to be some bonding thing and ended up with Naruto saying "We're closer to Sasuke".
Remember when Naruto was feelings sad and defeated because Jiraiya was dead, and Sakura was worried about Naruto on which could even probably helped him to standup on a similar situation as pointed above and ended up being SHikamaru.
Remember when Naruto failed to bring Sasuke back and instead of being a bonding moment with romantic tones ended once again about a conversation about Sasuke.
Remember when Sakura failed to kill Sasuke and NAruto was there where we could have a bonding moment or even Naruto talking with Sakura about what happened and Kishimoto suddenly skipped.
He doesnt take Naruto's feelings for Sakura a serious approach, it's either end up a joke or something that it's stabilished like "on Sai's flashback" and portrays it as something really genuine.
 

Part 2 is all about Sakura changing her feelings for Naruto.
 
It has not been put on equal footing with others. It has been consistently written positively throughout the manga. No sudden asspull moments like those given for NH or negative moments like those given for SS.

And it's the problem all focused on Sakura's feelings how it can be NS when the protagonist feelings are barely touched upon that's why there were a lot of doubts about if naruto really loved Sakura until recently and i'm not lying we only know on part 2 that he loves her because Sai stated it and the flasbacks.
We didnt even see Naruto's face when Sakura hugged him and he didnt even hugged her back, he's always surprised when she displays affection towards him, and to make matters worse she's casted aside with his other friends in terms of importance.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 July 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[ns.Believe.It]

What?
It should have happened sooner because it makes no sense.

Kishimoto wants to resolve it at the end. We have to accept this.

 

Like everyone else, that's so obvious from countless panels of Nakama showed about.
And the POAL despite being a promise it's something he will achieve not based on this so there's nothing special about the POAL, it was just for Sakura to feel better.
Because Naruto is going to save Sasuke because of his reasons on which was state don the summit and thoughtout the manga.
There's no a single promise or an event that Naruto did it specially to Sakura.

It is special when a twelve year boy promises on his life. Yes, he grew up and matured and found other reasons to save Sasuke but it doesn't negate what his intentions were when he promised , making Sakura smile even though it hurts him.

Speaking of a event that Naruto did specifically for Sakura, what about the time he rescued her from Gaara? As Sasuke himself put it later, "Naruto fought tooth and nail to protect you,Sakura. He displayed a kind of strength that he had never shown before".

 

Touched upon?
You mean moments that aways end up like a joke, without any moments of determination and supporting each other directly without saving words on your mind.

How is Naruto realizing why he likes Sakura in chapter 3 a joke?

Why do you want them to support each other while making declarations? It doesn't reduce the value of their support if they don't make declarations. Even then,  you can consider the Chuunin exams where their support for each other was vocal and important.

 

Joke.
Being impressed about someome else abilities is no big deal, i can even compare with other animes that has similar premise.
I can give guilty crown as an example where the MC is betrayed by his friends and is saved by the heroine and she tells him to stop blaming himself and says that she'll always be at his side and helps him to stand up.
I can tell about SAO where the main character goes up to beat an entire game to save her and moments where they're together on 1st arc.

Naruto asking Sakura out was not a Joke. He didn't have the money or else they would have dated.

I suggest you see Naruto's expression when he's being impressed by Sakura. There is more in his expression.

 

I may be wrong for sure but i didnt see a single moment where Sakura helped Naruto to standup on one of his most dire moments.

Did you miss the Bridge scene and the CPR then?

 

And to make matters worse let me show you aanother moments, remember when Naruto was at the hospital with his arm wounded because of rasenshuriken and Sakura worried about, remember how that moment could have served to be some bonding thing and ended up with Naruto saying "We're closer to Sasuke".

So what? He said they were getting closer and he was glad. And it was followed up by the feeding scene which is not a joke btw. 

 

Remember when Naruto was feelings sad and defeated because Jiraiya was dead, and Sakura was worried about Naruto on which could even probably helped him to standup on a similar situation as pointed above and ended up being SHikamaru.

Because Shikamaru had lost his mentor and giving him that role made more sense. And Tsunade asked Sakura to leave Naruto alone.

 

Remember when Naruto failed to bring Sasuke back and instead of being a bonding moment with romantic tones ended once again about a conversation about Sasuke.

I assume you are talking about part 1? Why would there be romantic tones there? Sakura loved Sasuke then! And there was bonding there. Seeing Naruto in that state made Sakura more determined to get stronger and help him. She was grateful.

 

Remember when Sakura failed to kill Sasuke and NAruto was there where we could have a bonding moment or even Naruto talking with Sakura about what happened and Kishimoto suddenly skipped.

Just before this, Sakura had told Naruto she loved him and left Naruto confused. Sai had then explained she did it with Naruto's feelings in her mind. So there wasn't anything to talk about later. It ended with a scene of Naruto seemingly losing his burden and sleeping peacefully and Sakura giving him the special smile she reserves only for Naruto. It ended on a high. Not to mention there was a parallel thrown in there as well.

 

He doesnt take Naruto's feelings for Sakura a serious approach, it's either end up a joke or something that it's stabilished like "on Sai's flashback" and portrays it as something really genuine.

See the hospital scene and PoAL where Naruto looked heartbroken. That's dead serious. And there was no poker face from Naruto when he claimed Sakura was more or less his girlfriend. He had a serious look.

 

And it's the problem all focused on Sakura's feelings how it can be NS when the protagonist feelings are barely touched upon that's why there were a lot of doubts about if naruto really loved Sakura until recently and i'm not lying we only know on part 2 that he loves her because Sai stated it and the flasbacks.
We didnt even see Naruto's face when Sakura hugged him and he didnt even hugged her back, he's always surprised when she displays affection towards him, and to make matters worse she's casted aside with his other friends in terms of importance.

Naruto is not a satellite character.  He is no Hinata. He has things to worry about other than his love for Sakura. And if its stated once he loves her, its enough. He does not need to keep saying it every chapter! His actions and body language towards Sakura make it obvious.

 

He was surprised when she hugged him as he thought she would never be that intimate with him ever. 

Sakura is not cast aside with his friends in terms of importance. She is the girl he loves and is special to him.