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#13101 Branden

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:54 AM

Honestly, most of the NH fans are logical and Reasonable. Of course there is some trolls and haters.. but then again there are some in NS fanbase as well.

Anyways I wanted to share something a NH fan wrote when asked on opinion of Sakura

"Sakura used to be a character I simply could not stand, only to jump to one of my favorites. Her part 1 self for some time left much to be desired, but going back and reading, she really wasn't as bad as I'd made her out to be. Yes, she was a jerk to Naruto, but so was basically everybody else sans Hinata. Sakura being main character meant we'll see it from her more. But going back, I realized that Sakura since chapter 3 had slowly been accepting Naruto and by chuunin exams, she had developed a sense of faith in him, enough that she silent tells Naruto to prove everybody who doubted him wrong, just like he did to her. Yes, she still smacked him when she felt he was being rude or inappropriate, but I think an example of her not doing it out of such malice was when they were doing the second test, and Naruto makes a comment that makes Sakura prepare to hit him, only for Sasuke to punch him so hard he goes flying. Sakura comment that he didn't have to hit him that hard. Although it turns out it wasn't Naruto, but a henge.People I notice tend to judge her for the personality kishi gave her, and it's watered down to be limited to her being a b*tch who punches him and a fangirl in love with a boy who doesn't care about her.She was a bit mean back in part I, and that was addressed due to her having a normal family (hell, Kishi has her paired up with 3 people who have lost it all, compared to her who has it all. Sasuke lost his family, Naruto lost his family, Kakashi lost his family and teammates), Sakura was bound to eventually learn the true meaning of loneliness, empathy and compassion. She developed a sense of over-protection when it came to Naruto in part II to the point of lying to make sure he doesn't get hurt. People bastardize it as it being a b*tch all around, and although she was wrong for lying in the failfession (especially the love part), her intentions were done to try and keep him away from Sasuke and out of harms way of Akatsuki. Not to mention she felt partly responsible for the pain Naruto has gone through. It's one thing to see your close friend in pain (Sakura feeling powerful emotion and crying at seeing Naruto go 4 tails); it's another to realize you're the cause of that pain. Sakura has always had issues with her own self worth when it came to protecting those she cares about as well as coming into her own as a shinobi. Even back in the Forest of Death, she admits to herself that she always acted like a know-it-all, even to Naruto, but the truth was, she was far behind both him and Sasuke, and she expressed a desire to have them watch her back for once. Then, when she spoke with Yamato, she expresses her desire to help Naruto more by helping stop the kyuubi and when she couldn't, lamented that she could only do such dumb things for him. Sakura caring for Naruto is obvious, though sometimes, she tends to lie to protect him "for his own good." And in some way, she is right (while at the same time wrong). Such as When she lied to Naruto to save him the pain of knowing he had hurt her in 4 tails mode and when Yamato tells him the truth, he refuses to use his beast again, (which was wrong since he was running away from his problems) though, he eventually goes back on his word after seeing Hinata hurt. Naruto would have felt guilty and she knew it, so she hid it from him to protect his feelings. In 469, she tried to do the same thing. The problem is, she'd underestimated Naruto when it came to him knowing about her feelings for Sasuke and therefore his ability to detect bullsh** when regarding him. She ended up making him upset with her lies, but when Sai tells the truth, Naruto looks so defeated and upset you can see why she did not want to tell him. Sakura is a character of emotion. She thinks about how she doesn't want to see him hurt or upset so she tries to shield him, though she shouldn't. But I think that a big part of her actions are due to her feeling like such a failure and burden to him and how she always leans on him because she can't do anything but cry, so she tries to take the pain off of him by doing things herself. Though Kishi has a theme about not doing everything alone, that's why she failed. With Kage Summit though, I felt Kishi did a number on all of team 7, not just Sakura. This was the time of everyone's weaknesses and failures in a sense coming to light.Naruto hyperventilating and nearly fainting over Sasuke, and getting beat up to protect him and hiding this to protect Sakura's feelings.Sasuke going batsh*t insane, hurting Karin, trying to kill Sakura and threatening Konoha.Sakura lying to protect Naruto by confessing, to relieve him of the PoAL out of extreme guilt and grief, going after Sasuke alone and then knocking out her teammates and failing to kill Sasuke.Kakashi admitting own past wrongs, such as promising Sakura everything would be as it was before after Sasuke left and his responsibility to his team. Sakura has made some questionable choices at times and she is far from perfect, but I honestly like that. Who wants a main character who is near perfect, or generic anyway? Sakura is unique in being far more human and relatable, and yet still building herself from the ground up, unlike her teammates who had help with Kyuubi or traded eyes or something, all she had was her natural talent and intelligence. Of course, this is not to say that Naruto and Sasuke have not worked their tails off too of course, only that Sakura had far less of an advantage and yet came so far. Really, I think people criticize Sakura in some ways that one really should be criticizing the author for. Sakura getting lack of screening fighting and showing her skills is Kishi's fault not hers. Also, his refusal to portray females as well as he could is also a fault on him. Sakura has improved greatly over time, but she still has some growing to do, as do others. Sakura isn't nearly as bad as she's made out to be IMO, and a lot of her hate is really exaggerated, though I can see why some do not like her, I hate seeing mindless hate with nothing behind it."

 

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 10:10 AM

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki thats a new one. never heard of that before.

 

and maybe, just maybe, should we set up a anti-nh thread? nh site have a thread specifically for anti-ns talk too.

Its at least one year old i picked it up in the viz forum in the paring debate forum , i think @Nostradamus who is a member here would probably know what i'm talking about . I think we should focus more on countering their actual arguments then put our selves on that level i guess its ok to do it from time to time but as @Derock said it would make us no better than those who does it all the time .

 

And again  @Derock  i apologize if my post was to much offensive and i will delete it if it needs to be done just say the words :)      

Actually Hinata 日向 doesn't mean "towards the sun" but "place in the sun"/"sunny". 

 

@Derock: Got it :)

Oh yea that's what it meant hahaha sorry i got confused but thanks for correcting me :D  


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:01 AM

I really just want to see that key moment she would accept her feelings for naruto like, as I said, it's possible she loves naruto subconiously but doesn't realize it yet and it would be a nice scene if something like this came up when she did realize her feelings for him should the manga go further emphasizing her concern and care for him.

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:14 AM

I really just want to see that key moment she would accept her feelings for naruto like, as I said, it's possible she loves naruto subconiously but doesn't realize it yet and it would be a nice scene if something like this came up when she did realize her feelings for him should the manga go further emphasizing her concern and care for him.

Like I said before, Sand Priest's words might be hinting at a possible NS momnet:

  • "the mouth says things opposite to what the heart really feels"
  • "the hidden heart wants people to accept each other even if one of them is a beast"
  • "(...) there will definitely be someone that will save and guide you (...) once you've accepted that person's hidden heart, you will also understand the meaning of the words [heart][accept] my master carved into my hands"

The kyuubi extraction (possible Naruto's death) will only speed up Sakura's realization of her true feelings.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:37 PM

Thats what I mean, its like just as Kishi could have used Hinata more and there have been times when a moment would have been perfectly acceptable for a NH moment (such as Hinata instead of Sakura in 450) he just didnt go this route.

 

Just like the Naruto-Obito meeting, anything Sakura-Rin related could have been brought up and it would have been in perfect context and relation since we had similar scenes such as Sai asking Naruto about Sakura and Minato asking Obito about Rin. No relation came up but it was possible back then. Again its like that with the whole kurama extraction so its again a good chance we can get a NS moment with Sakura fearing, crying for naruto and hoping she can save him (I mean she has the fear he will die but she doesnt know about the uzumaki stamina so its perfectly reasonable she would be fearful, its like how Sakura only knows theres a reason about Itachi related to the stuff between naruto and sasuke but she doesnt know the truth about him. Sakuras sort of had a unique role in this, out of the main cast, she knows the least about some of the core stuff (other reasons to save sasuke, itachi, jinchurki extraction, etc) but she knows a shard or fragment of info that puts her out above other characters but underneath knowing the full details compared to naruto and sasuke and in some cases kakashi. This is what I mean, Sakura is loose ended in this info but still knows about the presence of these other issues unlike most others.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:37 PM

Probably the most agonizing wait I've had in years. 



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:57 PM

Probably the most agonizing wait I've had in years. 

Sometimes I ask myself if it's even okay and acceptable to care about fictional stuff as much as I do....

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 01:05 PM

We only have 2 days, finally the new naruto year will start off this week.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 02:01 PM

If you want us to read something then please use fewer sentences.

Nah, paragraphs is the thing.


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:20 PM

Thats what I mean, its like just as Kishi could have used Hinata more and there have been times when a moment would have been perfectly acceptable for a NH moment (such as Hinata instead of Sakura in 450) he just didnt go this route.

 

Just like the Naruto-Obito meeting, anything Sakura-Rin related could have been brought up and it would have been in perfect context and relation since we had similar scenes such as Sai asking Naruto about Sakura and Minato asking Obito about Rin. No relation came up but it was possible back then. Again its like that with the whole kurama extraction so its again a good chance we can get a NS moment with Sakura fearing, crying for naruto and hoping she can save him (I mean she has the fear he will die but she doesnt know about the uzumaki stamina so its perfectly reasonable she would be fearful, its like how Sakura only knows theres a reason about Itachi related to the stuff between naruto and sasuke but she doesnt know the truth about him. Sakuras sort of had a unique role in this, out of the main cast, she knows the least about some of the core stuff (other reasons to save sasuke, itachi, jinchurki extraction, etc) but she knows a shard or fragment of info that puts her out above other characters but underneath knowing the full details compared to naruto and sasuke and in some cases kakashi. This is what I mean, Sakura is loose ended in this info but still knows about the presence of these other issues unlike most others.

Now that you mention it what do you think Sakura's reaction would be if she finds out the truth about Itachi ? cus i see a lot of SS fans playing on this card , they think that she would be so much angry at the village and Naruto for not telling her that she would even abandon them and go straight to Sasuke because now she understand him and way he did the things that he did , that it wasn't his fault and her "love" for him would be even stronger.

 

Oh and this is not an attempt for bashing i just want a honest general opinion on this subject,how do you see this played ?           


Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 13 January 2014 - 03:22 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:20 PM

Sometimes I ask myself if it's even okay and acceptable to care about fictional stuff as much as I do....

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Lol. I feel that internet worldwide will shut down for a few days cause of fear if ever 661 isn't released this Wednesday :P



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:27 PM

Now that you mention it what do you think Sakura's reaction would be if she finds out the truth about Itachi ? cus i see a lot of SS fans playing on this card , they think that she would be so much angry at the village and Naruto for not telling her that she would even abandon them and go straight to Sasuke because now she understand him and way he did the things that he did , that it wasn't his fault and her "love" for him would be even stronger.

 

Oh and this is not an attempt for bashing i just want a honest general opinion on this subject , how do you see this played ?           

 

 

I think she would be shock for sure. She might understand why Sasuke did some thing but mad at him for throwing away what itachi sacrificed, not sure if she will see itachi in a better light though.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:41 PM

All right people, let's take a vote for your HONEST opinion as of right now.

 

NaruSaku moment next chapter yay or nay, in terms of happening.

 

For me.

 

Nay.

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:49 PM

Actually Hinata 日向 doesn't mean "towards the sun" but "place in the sun"/"sunny". 

 

@Derock: Got it :)

 

although it means "sunny place", it could definitely mean "towards the sun"


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:50 PM

All right people, let's take a vote for your HONEST opinion as of right now.

 

NaruSaku moment next chapter yay or nay, in terms of happening.

 

For me.

 

Nay.

:(

It's a yay and nay for me XD

 

But, for the sake of the answer, if Sakura appears next chapter as in her being beside Naruto or showing her reaction/thoughts then probably, yes, a NS moment.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:10 PM

You know what I fear:

 

A crash in Internet. I get the feeling something worse is coming that will blow out 631. Everyone knows what I'm talking about.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:12 PM

All I need is some sort of reaction from Sakura in the next chapter. That is all I need from Kishi right now and I'll be fine.


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:12 PM

I get the feeling something worse is coming that will blow out 631. Everyone knows what I'm talking about.

 

I'm sorry, but no, I don't know what you're talking about.  Care to explain? 



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:16 PM

All I need is some sort of reaction from Sakura in the next chapter. That is all I need from Kishi right now and I'll be fine.

I second that.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

Its at least one year old i picked it up in the viz forum in the paring debate forum , i think @Nostradamus who is a member here would probably know what i'm talking about .

Yeah I know what you're talking about. That thread on the viz forum is actually two users agreeing with each others personal interpretation of the story without using actually facts. It's actually quite amusing.


Edited by Nostradamus, 13 January 2014 - 05:29 PM.

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