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[TacticalFox88]

I like part 1 Sasuke. 

 

Honestly, I hate the fact that people nowadays confuse the anime's flanderizations and fanon with canon.

 

I sometimes can't stand reading fanfiction simply because they make kitten up that's not even remotely true about characters as if that happened in canon.

 

Prime example being Naruto's "mask" and people called him a "demon" or overcharged at stores.

 

Like...seriously? Where the kitten did that idea even come from? 

[Akashi]

I like part 1 Sasuke. 

 

Honestly, I hate the fact that people nowadays confuse the anime's flanderizations and fanon with canon.

 

I sometimes can't stand reading fanfiction simply because they make kitten up that's not even remotely true about characters as if that happened in canon.

 

Prime example being Naruto's "mask" and people called him a "demon" or overcharged at stores.

 

Like...seriously? Where the kitten did that idea even come from? 

Well I don't think there's a rule that says fanfiction should stay close to canon stories... Everyone is free to come up with all sorts of AUs they like. 

 

Also: less than 3 days until the next chapter!! 

Edited by Tauriel, 12 January 2014 - 06:12 PM.

[FireFox]

 

I say if the Naruto and Sakura vs Minato and Kushina fight does happen it will be the best team up fight Naruto and Sakura can get.

Only for shippers, i would prefer her and Naruto fighting Sasuke.
 

I wouldn't say it would be only for shippers , there are a lot of fans who wants for the females to get more importance in the manga and explore more on their abilities as a Kunoichi , we have only one battle in the manga like that and that's the Sakura vs Ino match , also it would be great to showcase Kushinas abilities since we have little to none from her and she's the main character mother and the wife of the 4 Hokage , by doing this Kishi will also do justice to the female cast of the manga, and not everyone in the Naruto verse are shippers someone also read it for the battles excitement.

 

This one depends on the reason of which she would help Naruto , is it because she wants to bring Sasuke for herself or because she wants to help Naruto because it is important to him . Also the only way this fight would happen is if it happens sometime before his final fight with Sasuke cus that fight supposed to be Naruto vs Sasuke exclusive and it supposed to show us that Naruto finally surpassed his rival on his own and truly deserves the title of Hokage or what would be the point of all the buildup and foreshadowing between them .

The only role i see Sakura playing in their final fight is the one like in the OVA 2011 being there for him when all is done .

Only for shippers, i would prefer her and Naruto fighting Sasuke.
 
In fact thoughout the manga, Sasuke never displayed love for Sakura romantically and it's shown it clearly on the manga, however his confession wasnt a rejection, Sasuke didnt rejected Sakura directly with a "i dont love you" and etc..
He simply said that his path was different than her and Naruto and that he chose revenge and to pursue his own path.
And because he didnt rejected her it's what kept Sakura loving Sasuke for too long, the feelings off "if Sasuke came back he would might love me" or "if he didnt chose revenge he would probably like me" Sakura was trapped on a illusion and her wishfull thinking of an hipothetical scenario( The "thank you" became some sort of hope for Sakura).
But his response wasnt a rejection either but he has shown thoughout his actions that he doesnt love her, we hope that she at least woke up.

I guess we could look at it this way even though he wasn't planing on coming back but then again he never displayed  romantic love for anyone unless we count the things he displayed for Karin as romantic so i wonder that the fact as you say that he never reject her actually means something from his side ? And i thought when one confess his feelings and the other at the end of the confession says thank you in Japan means rejection ?     

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 12 January 2014 - 06:50 PM.

[Sojobo]

About Karin, I expect to see some developpement between her and Sasuke 10 or 20 chapters later.

I insist she's the key for Sasuke's Rinnegan, and I think Sasuke already has her cells in his body.

 

Anyway, I think we will have some flashbacks between them when they were kids. How she became Sasuke's favorite, how was their relationship, etc...

 

If Orochimaru's right about Sasuke surpassing Madara, than he will get the Rinnegan, thanks to Karin.

But I'm asking myself: Why use Karin while you have Hashirama's cell?

Are Karin cells more special than Hashirama's?

 

That damn Orochimaru knows for sure more things than Madara.

About Sasuke, but also about Senju cells...

What made him the conclusion Sasuke will surpass Madara, is probably something that even Madara doesn't know...

 

Can't wait.

[Akashi]

About Karin, I expect to see some developpement between her and Sasuke 10 or 20 chapters later.

I insist she's the key for Sasuke's Rinnegan, and I think Sasuke already has her cells in his body.

 

Anyway, I think we will have some flashbacks between them when they were kids. How she became Sasuke's favorite, how was their relationship, etc...

 

If Orochimaru's right about Sasuke surpassing Madara, than he will get the Rinnegan, thanks to Karin.

But I'm asking myself: Why use Karin while you have Hashirama's cell?

Are Karin cells more special than Hashirama's?

 

That damn Orochimaru knows for sure more things than Madara.

About Sasuke, but also about Senju cells...

What made him the conclusion Sasuke will surpass Madara, is probably something that even Madara doesn't know...

 

Can't wait.

Yeah, same here.

About time for new generation to surpass the old one.. !!
Here's hoping for some SasuKarin development...

Edited by Tauriel, 12 January 2014 - 08:29 PM.

[Sojobo]

Here's hoping for some SasuKarin development...

Same here. I want Kishi to show another personality of Karin.

When I see her flashback during the Chuunin Exam, I just see a clumsy/weak girl. I'm sure it wasn't easy for her, passing 3 years with the prisoners, being bited, etc...

I can see Sasuke protecting her back than, and I think she changed and become stronger (mentally) because of him.

Edited by Sojobo, 12 January 2014 - 09:06 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I guess we could look at it this way even though he wasn't planing on coming back but then again he never displayed  romantic love for anyone unless we count the things he displayed for Karin as romantic so i wonder that the fact as you say that he never reject her actually means something from his side ?

That's not the point.
I'll explain on the next asnwer below.
 

And i thought when one confess his feelings and the other at the end of the confession says thank you in Japan means rejection ?

Sasuke's case is different, his thank you was an acknowledgement that he "Notices" Sakura, not romantically wise but her as a friend and etc...

He chose revenge instead of Sakura, she understood it but i's because of the way it was done that she could not get rid of it, she cling to the image of team 7 and the "thank you" was meaningfull for her because she sort of believed that he could have returned her feelings, we all know he doesnt love her but Sakura's perspective is different, Sasuke's thank you wasnt a straightforward rejection like Kakashi.
That doesnt imply Sasuke would love her but served as some sort of hope for her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 January 2014 - 10:29 PM.

[Inferno180]

When it comes to nh, sadly I feel like it has that creationist view in which they assume it will just happen out of nowhere, seriously, sometimes it feels like nh is a bit like creationism to me, it's just too hard to think things spontaneously just occur, I'm not getting into any evolution vs creationism stuff but it's like that in hindsight to me, many who support nh are just basically asking for it to happen out of nothing, hardly anything exists for it to be brought up and well, what now since we got a hint from 631 and a sinking sign for SS in 635?

I mean one thing I had recently was a talk with how some nh fans still think nh will occur because of ultimate ninja storm 2 and 3. They said not only the secret lovers team up between naruto and hinata was proof but also the moments and side missions from both games would equal nh in the main series somehow.

I told this person the following:

The secret lovers team name, it doesn't mean naruto and hinata secretly love each other, it means they both have secret crushes, team names were dependent on association, abilities, villages, rank, etc. it was like you could team up Kakashi and Madara and make a sharingan team, this applied to obito, Tobi, itachi, and Sasuke too. You could do sakura, ino, and Karin for all set on Sasuke, you could do serious and funny team ups like Kakashi and Chiyo makes my sons enemy yet it gave them a big boost, same with yugito hidan and kakuzu, even those who never met like team up Zabuza, kisame, and sugestiu for ninja swordsman of the mist, even some combination of naruto, minato, Nagato, pain, and konan made jirayas apprentices, you could even team up sakura, tsunade, and kabuto for medical ninja. The secret lovers was misconcepted as just being direct, it's like how many times did people forget naruto loved sakura secretly? The secret lovers term applies to their team up cause they both loved someone who loved someone else, hinata to naruto to sakura.

Next I told them:

If anything uns2 and 3 in their main stories, they were not even involved with nh, hinata was practically cut out of the main stories. Naruto never sees hinata even in the time of the Sasuke and sai arc chapter, the itachi purist chapter skips the leaf villages involvement focusing only on Sasuke and his team, and even the big nh scene of the game, the final boss battle pain, hinata rather than defending naruto, in the game naruto never got pinned down, instead pain sucks him forward to impale him like he did fukasaku in the manga, but hinata intercepts the pull in the game and gets stabbed and only says because I, and faints from the pain. Then naruto goes 6 tails and the fight continues as normal and we still get the big hug scene at the end with sakura hugging naruto, practically unchanged, she doesn't hit him in the game, so if anything they practically cut out hinatas big moment from a short speech in the manga to a very short interception. It's even worse for nh in uns3, hinata has not even one bit of dialouge in the main story and doesn't have any involvement until the after game for side quests. Even then there is a side quest for her with naruto and meeting bee, but she has not canonically met bee, even then sakura has an end mission with naruto too. It was pure fanservice, non canon fanservice. It was a game, it didn't matter if they did this, but it was something oriented towards both ns and nh fans, it doesn't matter since it's noncanon.

The reaction was a violent response of ranting and swearing that would make kittens cry. They simply left after that before I could respond.

[FireFox]

That's not the point.
I'll explain on the next asnwer below.
 
Sasuke's case is different, his thank you was an acknowledgement that he "Notices" Sakura, not romantically wise but her as a friend and etc...

He chose revenge instead of Sakura, she understood it but i's because of the way it was done that she could not get rid of it, she cling to the image of team 7 and the "thank you" was meaningfull for her because she sort of believed that he could have returned her feelings, we all know he doesnt love her but Sakura's perspective is different, Sasuke's thank you wasnt a straightforward rejection like Kakashi.
That doesnt imply Sasuke would love her but served as some sort of hope for her.

Aha i see what you mean now point taken , thanks for the clarification . 

[咲耶姫]

When it comes to nh, sadly I feel like it has that creationist view in which they assume it will just happen out of nowhere, seriously, sometimes it feels like nh is a bit like creationism to me, it's just too hard to think things spontaneously just occur, I'm not getting into any evolution vs creationism stuff but it's like that in hindsight to me, many who support nh are just basically asking for it to happen out of nothing, hardly anything exists for it to be brought up and well, what now since we got a hint from 631 and a sinking sign for SS in 635?

I mean one thing I had recently was a talk with how some nh fans still think nh will occur because of ultimate ninja storm 2 and 3. They said not only the secret lovers team up between naruto and hinata was proof but also the moments and side missions from both games would equal nh in the main series somehow.

I told this person the following:

The secret lovers team name, it doesn't mean naruto and hinata secretly love each other, it means they both have secret crushes, team names were dependent on association, abilities, villages, rank, etc. it was like you could team up Kakashi and Madara and make a sharingan team, this applied to obito, Tobi, itachi, and Sasuke too. You could do sakura, ino, and Karin for all set on Sasuke, you could do serious and funny team ups like Kakashi and Chiyo makes my sons enemy yet it gave them a big boost, same with yugito hidan and kakuzu, even those who never met like team up Zabuza, kisame, and sugestiu for ninja swordsman of the mist, even some combination of naruto, minato, Nagato, pain, and konan made jirayas apprentices, you could even team up sakura, tsunade, and kabuto for medical ninja. The secret lovers was misconcepted as just being direct, it's like how many times did people forget naruto loved sakura secretly? The secret lovers term applies to their team up cause they both loved someone who loved someone else, hinata to naruto to sakura.

Next I told them:

If anything uns2 and 3 in their main stories, they were not even involved with nh, hinata was practically cut out of the main stories. Naruto never sees hinata even in the time of the Sasuke and sai arc chapter, the itachi purist chapter skips the leaf villages involvement focusing only on Sasuke and his team, and even the big nh scene of the game, the final boss battle pain, hinata rather than defending naruto, in the game naruto never got pinned down, instead pain sucks him forward to impale him like he did fukasaku in the manga, but hinata intercepts the pull in the game and gets stabbed and only says because I, and faints from the pain. Then naruto goes 6 tails and the fight continues as normal and we still get the big hug scene at the end with sakura hugging naruto, practically unchanged, she doesn't hit him in the game, so if anything they practically cut out hinatas big moment from a short speech in the manga to a very short interception. It's even worse for nh in uns3, hinata has not even one bit of dialouge in the main story and doesn't have any involvement until the after game for side quests. Even then there is a side quest for her with naruto and meeting bee, but she has not canonically met bee, even then sakura has an end mission with naruto too. It was pure fanservice, non canon fanservice. It was a game, it didn't matter if they did this, but it was something oriented towards both ns and nh fans, it doesn't matter since it's noncanon.

The reaction was a violent response of ranting and swearing that would make kittens cry. They simply left after that before I could respond.

I often saw this argument. But I can tell you that it's a false translation or a bad interpretation. In France it was translated as "Secret Love" not "Secret LovERS". So it can refer to Hinata's love for Naruto or both, Hinata's love for Naruto and Naruto's love for Sakura and that's why they said "Lovers". But I would tend to say it's a biased translation, like every media things in USA towards Hinata. 

 

And about the differences between the NS and NH scene in UNS3, you clearly see that it was more NS than NH. The only little scene they had in their favor was Bee who believed Hinata was Naruto's girlfriend, but Naruto said no without being troubled by that, he was calm and like no blushing, nothing that suggest he could have some hidden feelings for her.

While in the NS scene, it's all about Sakura's feelings for him, she's the one who initated this mission for both of them, and at the end, she's the one who said she missed him, and he responds something to reassure her. And what really differs from the NH scene, is that Sakura is supposed to be the one who have to reciprocate Naruto's feelings. That's a real pairing moment, there is an interaction between both Naruto and Sakura, it could have been a pairing moment for NH, but only if Naruto had reacted differently.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 13 January 2014 - 03:45 AM.

[TacticalFox88]

Besides. It's a freaking game. Non-canonical even if it WAS NH (not that it was). 

 

It's the same as using anime fillers. 

[Inferno180]

Yeah but what do you expect? Some nh fans claimed fillers like the pain one count despite there being a filler in which naruto admits he still loves sakura. Without enough manga evidence to constantly support nh, these are the most common actions:

Some nh fans do one of the following or combinations:
Over exaggerate the nh stuff that exists
Interpret it differently so it's got much more meaning than the majority cannot understand
Resort to attempts in debunking or twisting ns stuff into saying it's not what we think it is
Argue against some canon ns moments saying they are somehow anti (like narutos expression when sakura hugged him or the major dismissal of 631 sakura Kushina link as some joke)
Resort to the sakura will never change argument
Claim parallels don't matter
Say ns is a Kushina Kushina relation
Assume naruto no longer loves sakura
Claim nh is like mk despite no links by manga existing
Say road to ninja was our way of being let down easy cause nh was going to happen
Argue it may have been a concepted pairing at first but it's not the case anymore, concepts are just that, concepts, they may or may not happen and from this farm things are pointing to ns as the canon pairing.
Focusing too much on 615 as love from naruto when not much occurred in the long run rather this was having Neji's last act as important not for nh love as many claim
Using other naruto media as reason for nh over ns like the ultimate ninja storm 2 and 3 secret lovers ordeal (how did people let it get this far out of hand?)
Resorting to insane theories as legimeate reasons for nh to occur despite it being unrelated to the manga, such as fanbase size thinking it matters, the us or western audience somehow having priority over Japan's, depending in translations like kushinas don't fall for the first that comes your way instead if the original dialouge like don't fall for a weird one, saying ns would ruin the story, even using colors from the color wheel as a reason to hook naruto and hinata up, yes you read that correctly, some people just go too crazy with this stuff thinking color compliments make a difference for relationships. Some even said their dates of birth being compatible astralolgical signs makes a difference, seriously bringing astrology into this? That's how crazy and off course these theories get.

I mean we in ns like to go around with the whole heaven and earth concept but it at least makes sense,originating in the manga and it makes sense in hindsight, naruto is strong but dumb sakura is smart but not very powerful, this is how it was at first and they complimented each other on these, it's just a simple complimentary factor of skills, nothing major but it makes sense at least.

[咲耶姫]

What is annoying is that some fans say our argument are desperated but other ones are tryinf to steal those argument in favor of their pairing, like the parallel one, sometimes parallel don't count, but other times, MK and OR are NH parallel and this no matter what the manga say itself and they also did this with the heaven and earth thing, because we say Naruto and Sakura are complentary, they say NH works better since Hinata is shy while Naruto is hyperactive. 

But you should let them think what they want. The manga is already throwing off all their argument one by one, but they won't see it until the very end, when one pairing will be canon. 

[TacticalFox88]

I've never wanted a pairing to happen so bad as this one, to be honest. Yes, I like it, no doubt, but holy CRAP are some NH shippers annoying as hell.  I NEED to feel that salt and bitter kittening tears and tantrums that happen on tumblr. 

 

I NEED THAT TASTE OF VICTORY DAMMIT!

 

Ironically enough, on a fundamental level, I really don't have a problem with NH IF it had enough development (hell any ship can fall under this). It's mainly the fans that make it out into something that wasn't meant to be. 

[FireFox]

Speaking of NH here is one of their insane theories : NH will happen cus Naruto said that his parents are his two suns and what does Hinata name means it means "toward the sun"  so Hinata will be Naruto's third sun its just Naruto failed to mention that but i'm sure he will in the future       .    

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't worry, everyone. The much obvious moment for NS is drawing near and when it comes, there's nothing to argue about anymore.

[Hanabi]

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki thats a new one. never heard of that before.

 

and maybe, just maybe, should we set up a anti-nh thread? nh site have a thread specifically for anti-ns talk too.

Edited by Hanabi, 13 January 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[Derock]

Actually, don't. We actually have fans here that are into the rival pairings. That make all of us the same as those who like to do all of the bashing and stuff.

 

And people, please, tone down the way you guys posting. I'm seeing profanity and bad talk, it has to stop immediately. Honestly, there wasn't any trouble over here for the last couple of months and we like to keep it that way.

[咲耶姫]

Speaking of NH here is one of their insane theories : NH will happen cus Naruto said that his parents are his two suns and what does Hinata name means it means "toward the sun"  so Hinata will be Naruto's third sun its just Naruto failed to mention that but i'm sure he will in the future       .    

Actually Hinata 日向 doesn't mean "towards the sun" but "place in the sun"/"sunny". 

 

@Derock: Got it :)

[oksus]

Honestly, most of the NH fans are logical and Reasonable. Of course there is some trolls and haters.. but then again there are some in NS fanbase as well.

Anyways I wanted to share something a NH fan wrote when asked on opinion of Sakura

"Sakura used to be a character I simply could not stand, only to jump to one of my favorites. Her part 1 self for some time left much to be desired, but going back and reading, she really wasn't as bad as I'd made her out to be. Yes, she was a jerk to Naruto, but so was basically everybody else sans Hinata. Sakura being main character meant we'll see it from her more. But going back, I realized that Sakura since chapter 3 had slowly been accepting Naruto and by chuunin exams, she had developed a sense of faith in him, enough that she silent tells Naruto to prove everybody who doubted him wrong, just like he did to her. Yes, she still smacked him when she felt he was being rude or inappropriate, but I think an example of her not doing it out of such malice was when they were doing the second test, and Naruto makes a comment that makes Sakura prepare to hit him, only for Sasuke to punch him so hard he goes flying. Sakura comment that he didn't have to hit him that hard. Although it turns out it wasn't Naruto, but a henge.People I notice tend to judge her for the personality kishi gave her, and it's watered down to be limited to her being a kitten who punches him and a fangirl in love with a boy who doesn't care about her.She was a bit mean back in part I, and that was addressed due to her having a normal family (hell, Kishi has her paired up with 3 people who have lost it all, compared to her who has it all. Sasuke lost his family, Naruto lost his family, Kakashi lost his family and teammates), Sakura was bound to eventually learn the true meaning of loneliness, empathy and compassion. She developed a sense of over-protection when it came to Naruto in part II to the point of lying to make sure he doesn't get hurt. People bastardize it as it being a kitten all around, and although she was wrong for lying in the failfession (especially the love part), her intentions were done to try and keep him away from Sasuke and out of harms way of Akatsuki. Not to mention she felt partly responsible for the pain Naruto has gone through. It's one thing to see your close friend in pain (Sakura feeling powerful emotion and crying at seeing Naruto go 4 tails); it's another to realize you're the cause of that pain. Sakura has always had issues with her own self worth when it came to protecting those she cares about as well as coming into her own as a shinobi. Even back in the Forest of Death, she admits to herself that she always acted like a know-it-all, even to Naruto, but the truth was, she was far behind both him and Sasuke, and she expressed a desire to have them watch her back for once. Then, when she spoke with Yamato, she expresses her desire to help Naruto more by helping stop the kyuubi and when she couldn't, lamented that she could only do such dumb things for him. Sakura caring for Naruto is obvious, though sometimes, she tends to lie to protect him "for his own good." And in some way, she is right (while at the same time wrong). Such as When she lied to Naruto to save him the pain of knowing he had hurt her in 4 tails mode and when Yamato tells him the truth, he refuses to use his beast again, (which was wrong since he was running away from his problems) though, he eventually goes back on his word after seeing Hinata hurt. Naruto would have felt guilty and she knew it, so she hid it from him to protect his feelings. In 469, she tried to do the same thing. The problem is, she'd underestimated Naruto when it came to him knowing about her feelings for Sasuke and therefore his ability to detect kitten when regarding him. She ended up making him upset with her lies, but when Sai tells the truth, Naruto looks so defeated and upset you can see why she did not want to tell him. Sakura is a character of emotion. She thinks about how she doesn't want to see him hurt or upset so she tries to shield him, though she shouldn't. But I think that a big part of her actions are due to her feeling like such a failure and burden to him and how she always leans on him because she can't do anything but cry, so she tries to take the pain off of him by doing things herself. Though Kishi has a theme about not doing everything alone, that's why she failed. With Kage Summit though, I felt Kishi did a number on all of team 7, not just Sakura. This was the time of everyone's weaknesses and failures in a sense coming to light.Naruto hyperventilating and nearly fainting over Sasuke, and getting beat up to protect him and hiding this to protect Sakura's feelings.Sasuke going kitten insane, hurting Karin, trying to kill Sakura and threatening Konoha.Sakura lying to protect Naruto by confessing, to relieve him of the PoAL out of extreme guilt and grief, going after Sasuke alone and then knocking out her teammates and failing to kill Sasuke.Kakashi admitting own past wrongs, such as promising Sakura everything would be as it was before after Sasuke left and his responsibility to his team. Sakura has made some questionable choices at times and she is far from perfect, but I honestly like that. Who wants a main character who is near perfect, or generic anyway? Sakura is unique in being far more human and relatable, and yet still building herself from the ground up, unlike her teammates who had help with Kyuubi or traded eyes or something, all she had was her natural talent and intelligence. Of course, this is not to say that Naruto and Sasuke have not worked their tails off too of course, only that Sakura had far less of an advantage and yet came so far. Really, I think people criticize Sakura in some ways that one really should be criticizing the author for. Sakura getting lack of screening fighting and showing her skills is Kishi's fault not hers. Also, his refusal to portray females as well as he could is also a fault on him. Sakura has improved greatly over time, but she still has some growing to do, as do others. Sakura isn't nearly as bad as she's made out to be IMO, and a lot of her hate is really exaggerated, though I can see why some do not like her, I hate seeing mindless hate with nothing behind it."