Jump to content

Close
Photo

The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

naruto wtf discuss

  • Please log in to reply
31719 replies to this topic

#13041 Narufan85

Narufan85

    Elite Jounin

  • Elite Jounin
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,412 posts

Posted 27 March 2015 - 04:28 PM

The war delivered some new information, but it contributed nothing to the final battle. Think of the war like the chunin exam in part one. It was interesting, introduced new characters and fleshed out some we already knew and gave pacing to the story. Or even the Save Sasuke arc. (Although the save sasuke arc was more vital to the story than the war arc because all those mini-fights allowed Naruto to continue on to the bigger, over-arching goal of saving Sasuke.)
 
In the end, Naruto and Sasuke still had a brawl. The powerups, the mass casualities, the death of Neji and Asuma, the words of Itachi and the Hokages — none of it contributed to their understanding of each other, or assisted them in reaching any kind of peace.
 
In the end, Naruto and Sasuke had a bare knuckled schoolyard brawl, and only when Naruto beat Sasuke did he finally relent.
 
The over arching story was their fight and Sasuke's redemption. It carried over all the other arcs. But instead of weaving the war arc into the storyline, it's just a bubble. Once it was over, then they could fight.
 
There was no thought to collateral damage, no deeper understanding of themselves and each other. Just a fight.
 
Would Naruto still have saved Sasuke if the war hadn't happened? Yes. There is no doubt. 
 
I'm not saying the war arc wasn't an big facet of the story. It was and it filled in a lot. But it is no more important than the chunin exam was to part 1. The overarching drama of Sasuke's redemption did not hinge on the chunin exams, no more than his redemption hinged on the outcome of the war.     
 

 
Yes, the war would have happened, espeically for the reasons you mentioned. It was foreshadowed early on, so it was always destined to happen. But if it didn't, Sasuke would still have been redeemed some other way. In the end, the outcome didn't directly contribute to Sasuke's redemption, and Sasuke's redemption would not have impacted anyone other than Naruto.
 
And in the very last pages, we discover that Naruto and Sasuke STILL haven't buried the hatchet!! So what was the point of the story if not to materially change the two? But it didn't.
 
###
 
I could write a lot more about how the story went wrong, where Sasuke's redemption arc split off from the rest of the story and never rejoined it, and how series' like Harry Potter follow the main character's arc alone, with every incident and circumstance included in the book because it points to the culmination of Harry's story. (If we were to view Harry's story through Parvati Patil's pov, it would be full of holes and unknowns leading to his success. In short, it wouldn't be his story.)
 
Naruto has long been suffering because at some point Kishimoto confused it with Sasuke's story. And then in the end with Hinata's story. All the events in the Naruto universe that are going on around him are definitely part of what makes up his world, but they are not all important in telling Naruto's story.
 
That's what I mean by the war not being central to the story. It was filler, meant to pace out the end of the series, like the chunin exam did in the beginning. The story of Sasuke's redemption — which replaced Naruto's story of protecting the village, getting the girl and becoming the leader — only picked up again after the war was over. Not because of it.


Your comparison to HP is apt. Things happen around Harry, but the story consistently remains focused on his inevitable clash with Voldemort. Along the way, Naruto stopped being about Naruto's quest to become Hokage, gain respect, and get the girl. It became a story about Sasuke's redemption and the history of the Uchiha. That's why the war arc mattered, I guess.

#13042 tricksie

tricksie

    Legendary Ninja

  • ANBU
  • 3,655 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 27 March 2015 - 04:30 PM

You do know Kishi didn't plan all of this, right? So why are we trying to make sense?

 

but he did prolong it.

 

Yeah, that's why I stopped my tirade on the story arc, etc. In the end it doesn't matter. The whole story exploded in our faces. The ending is entirely incongruent with the begining.

 

In fact, I tend to think that Part 1 through the Pain arc is the actual story, and the rest are just filler arcs. Which is awful to think about, that we all thought this was going somewhere when it wasn't. He wasn't writing to tell more about the Naruto universe, he was just filling time till the end.



#13043 hinataiscreepy

hinataiscreepy

    Academy Teacher

  • Academy Teacher
  • PipPipPip
  • 630 posts

Posted 27 March 2015 - 04:56 PM

"Yeah sorry" is all it takes to be redeemed and getting the girl after spending 3 whole years being a selfish prick, trying to kill the girl and your friend repeatdedly and wanting to purge the world with a megaliomanical rant.

 

Spoilers for slam dunk.

 

Mitsui was similar to sasuke except that he literally got his ass beat repeatdly for being a prick by almost the whole team (even Kogure humilates him by saying that he is a coward and gives up too easily). In the end, Mitsui cries and begs for foregiveness to Anzai and the team to come back. This is character redemption done right Kishi and Sasuke should have done this to be redeemable.



#13044 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

    Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,914 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eugene, OR, USA

Posted 27 March 2015 - 04:59 PM

 

Yeah, that's why I stopped my tirade on the story arc, etc. In the end it doesn't matter. The whole story exploded in our faces. The ending is entirely incongruent with the begining.

 

In fact, I tend to think that Part 1 through the Pain arc is the actual story, and the rest are just filler arcs. Which is awful to think about, that we all thought this was going somewhere when it wasn't. He wasn't writing to tell more about the Naruto universe, he was just filling time till the end.

 

That sure feels like it in a lot of cases, ya know.



#13045 EmperorZeo

EmperorZeo

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 301 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:33 PM

I just had a crazy idea about this whole crimson flower moon thing that I hate because it leads me to think something I don't want to think and connections I don't want to make but trust me that if it's the case this is gonna be also the biggest fu in manga history for other sides also.
Needed to vent that here, not publicly on tumblr.


Go ahead and string those connections together. A lot of people like to make alternate ending for Naruto. Personally, I think the most creative minds can take that crapy ending and use the material to make something brilliant.

#13046 trang95

trang95

    ♣Yorozuya Member♣

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,048 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Georgia, USA
  • Interests:Mariah Carey, Super Junior, Ailee, Shinee, and Mariah Carey

    Cardcaptor Sakura, Gintama, HxH, Magi, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Noragami, Princess Mononoke, Tokyo Ghoul ETC.

    AkittenakaxSen, NaruSaku, SakuraxShaoran, SomaxErina, TouKen, YonaxHak

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:35 PM

The novel after Sakura will be released on May 1st.

It's also been said that Naruto and Hinata married shortly after the events in Sakura Hiden.

https://www.animenew...or-may-1/.86437


G . I . N . T . A . M .A

tumblr_nd8f3hq6MN1qawpjto1_r2_500.gif

 
“The country? The skies? You can have them! I'm busy enough protecting what's in front of me. I don't know how many times I failed to protect what I wanted. I have nothing left, so at least if something has fallen at my feet, I'll pick it up."
- Sakata Gintoki, Gintama

 


#13047 Gaara's hair

Gaara's hair

    Pizza Man!!!

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,785 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Guilty Gear, Basketball, Futbol, and writing.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:38 PM

Why Gaara novel moved to my birth month :argh:



#13048 Metalhead87

Metalhead87

    Special Jounin

  • Special Jounin
  • PipPipPip
  • 804 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England Land
  • Interests:I like drawing (when I can motivate myself to do it), writing, playing videogames - that kind of stuff.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:39 PM

The novel after Sakura will be released on May 1st.

It's also been said that Naruto and Hinata married shortly after the events in Sakura Hiden.

https://www.animenew...or-may-1/.86437

 

...Oh joy...


Please check out my DeviantArt page! http://infamatt.deviantart.com/ I appreciate it  :happy:

#13049 TouKen4Life3g

TouKen4Life3g

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,306 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:42 PM

The novel after Sakura will be released on May 1st.

It's also been said that Naruto and Hinata married shortly after the events in Sakura Hiden.

https://www.animenew...or-may-1/.86437

Yeah, some of us knew, just not the release date.

 

Where's AHK? I need that sig reference.



#13050 BakeNeko-Chan

BakeNeko-Chan

    Commander

  • Missing Nin
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,017 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Sometimes here, sometimes there
  • Interests:Reading and writing. Anime/Manga.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:45 PM

The novel after Sakura will be released on May 1st.

It's also been said that Naruto and Hinata married shortly after the events in Sakura Hiden.

https://www.animenew...or-may-1/.86437

 

Oh my god, that's my birthday! :arg:



#13051 Gaara's hair

Gaara's hair

    Pizza Man!!!

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,785 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Guilty Gear, Basketball, Futbol, and writing.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:48 PM

 

Oh my god, that's my birthday! :arg:

:thumb:

Happy birthday :fu:



#13052 Nar123

Nar123

    The Phantom

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,624 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:somewhere along the road of life

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:48 PM

 

 

 

no, onoki recognized his mistakes, tsunade persuaded raikage to trust b and nardo (instead of treating them as weapons)

imo naruto helped way too much, he literally became the manga's messiah to everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

but why this happened in first place? Because they were pratcially forced to work together thanks to Obito

Guess Obito is the one who truly deserves the title of peacemaker


                                  tumblr_obno1yoNj11suy1fso1_540.gif

 

                                                                         :eager:  Persona 5 hype     :eager:


#13053 trang95

trang95

    ♣Yorozuya Member♣

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,048 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Georgia, USA
  • Interests:Mariah Carey, Super Junior, Ailee, Shinee, and Mariah Carey

    Cardcaptor Sakura, Gintama, HxH, Magi, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Noragami, Princess Mononoke, Tokyo Ghoul ETC.

    AkittenakaxSen, NaruSaku, SakuraxShaoran, SomaxErina, TouKen, YonaxHak

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:48 PM

 

Oh my god, that's my birthday! :arg:

Oh, man, that sucks monkeyballs :(


G . I . N . T . A . M .A

tumblr_nd8f3hq6MN1qawpjto1_r2_500.gif

 
“The country? The skies? You can have them! I'm busy enough protecting what's in front of me. I don't know how many times I failed to protect what I wanted. I have nothing left, so at least if something has fallen at my feet, I'll pick it up."
- Sakata Gintoki, Gintama

 


#13054 TouKen4Life3g

TouKen4Life3g

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,306 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:51 PM

Oh, man, that sucks monkeyballs :(

Indeed. I wish I can one punch my way in there to stop this tragic events.



#13055 Metalhead87

Metalhead87

    Special Jounin

  • Special Jounin
  • PipPipPip
  • 804 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England Land
  • Interests:I like drawing (when I can motivate myself to do it), writing, playing videogames - that kind of stuff.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:51 PM

 

Oh my god, that's my birthday! :arg:

 

Ugh, that sucks  :sad:


Please check out my DeviantArt page! http://infamatt.deviantart.com/ I appreciate it  :happy:

#13056 Swagkura

Swagkura

    真夜中の太陽

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,792 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Far side of the Moon
  • Interests:KakaSaku & NaruSaku

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:52 PM

The novel after Sakura will be released on May 1st.
It's also been said that Naruto and Hinata married shortly after the events in Sakura Hiden.
https://www.animenew...or-may-1/.86437

Trash.

On another note, the whole Naruto timeline since the ending had been a kittening mess. Boruto and Sarada are around the same age in the manga, with Himawari obviously being considerably younger then them. Then the movie comes out, and they freaking make Boruto and Himawari twins. Now these novels have NH wedding after Sakura hiden. Considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't appear in the film, I'm just gonna assume that him and Sakura are gonna meet up in the novel so that he can toss her salad and leave. Finally, going by the logic of Chapter 700, I'll just assume that everybody kittened on the same day, at the same exact time, in the same year. And they all just wound up pregnant because who the kitten cares :zaru:
tumblr_o2ymbkICMv1ttuk3wo3_500.gif

 


#13057 trang95

trang95

    ♣Yorozuya Member♣

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,048 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Georgia, USA
  • Interests:Mariah Carey, Super Junior, Ailee, Shinee, and Mariah Carey

    Cardcaptor Sakura, Gintama, HxH, Magi, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Noragami, Princess Mononoke, Tokyo Ghoul ETC.

    AkittenakaxSen, NaruSaku, SakuraxShaoran, SomaxErina, TouKen, YonaxHak

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:52 PM

Indeed. I wish I can one punch my way in there to stop this tragic events.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Saitama for the win!


G . I . N . T . A . M .A

tumblr_nd8f3hq6MN1qawpjto1_r2_500.gif

 
“The country? The skies? You can have them! I'm busy enough protecting what's in front of me. I don't know how many times I failed to protect what I wanted. I have nothing left, so at least if something has fallen at my feet, I'll pick it up."
- Sakata Gintoki, Gintama

 


#13058 trang95

trang95

    ♣Yorozuya Member♣

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,048 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Georgia, USA
  • Interests:Mariah Carey, Super Junior, Ailee, Shinee, and Mariah Carey

    Cardcaptor Sakura, Gintama, HxH, Magi, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Noragami, Princess Mononoke, Tokyo Ghoul ETC.

    AkittenakaxSen, NaruSaku, SakuraxShaoran, SomaxErina, TouKen, YonaxHak

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:53 PM

Trash.

On another note, the whole Naruto timeline since the ending had been a kittening mess. Boruto and Sarada are around the same age in the manga, with Himawari obviously being considerably younger then them. Then the movie comes out, and they freaking make Boruto and Himawari twins. Now these novels have NH wedding after Sakura hiden. Considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't appear in the film, I'm just gonna assume that him and Sakura are gonna meet up in the novel so that he can toss her salad and leave. Finally, going by the logic of Chapter 700, I'll just assume that everybody kittened on the same day, at the same exact time, in the same year. And they all just wound up pregnant because who the kitten cares :zaru:

Wait, Boruto and Himawari are twins?! Wtf?! When has that been announced?


G . I . N . T . A . M .A

tumblr_nd8f3hq6MN1qawpjto1_r2_500.gif

 
“The country? The skies? You can have them! I'm busy enough protecting what's in front of me. I don't know how many times I failed to protect what I wanted. I have nothing left, so at least if something has fallen at my feet, I'll pick it up."
- Sakata Gintoki, Gintama

 


#13059 TouKen4Life3g

TouKen4Life3g

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,306 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:53 PM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Saitama for the win!

They keep ruining sales day...



#13060 Gaara's hair

Gaara's hair

    Pizza Man!!!

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,785 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Guilty Gear, Basketball, Futbol, and writing.

Posted 27 March 2015 - 05:54 PM

Trash.

On another note, the whole Naruto timeline since the ending had been a kittening mess. Boruto and Sarada are around the same age in the manga, with Himawari obviously being considerably younger then them. Then the movie comes out, and they freaking make Boruto and Himawari twins. Now these novels have NH wedding after Sakura hiden. Considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't appear in the film, I'm just gonna assume that him and Sakura are gonna meet up in the novel so that he can toss her salad and leave. Finally, going by the logic of Chapter 700, I'll just assume that everybody kittened on the same day, at the same exact time, in the same year. And they all just wound up pregnant because who the kitten cares :zaru:

:lmao:







14 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 14 guests, 0 anonymous users