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[Inferno180]

The topic of the day is asspulling, how much can one author mess up a story reducing it to a merchanised fanservice/fanfiction?

Aside from that, yeah NaruSaku has a lot more going for it in terms of quality and quantity.

Main reason any of us like NaruSaku is just that, its the most developed espcially where it counts. Sasuke has nothing towards Sakura, Naruto does not return all that much to Hinata. Because Hinata could be considered a copycat of Naruto's ideals, its when he broke in 615 that Hinata was nothing more than a spare container then reduced again to side character status.

But the real reasons for Naruto and Sakura are that is well their relationship is the most realistic. They have shared the good and bad together, not just attributed to Sasuke's events. They both had happiness, sadness, confusion, anger, and hope at each other. Naruto and Sakura felt pain with Sasuke when he left 4 times (one time was when they had the chance to get him after Itachi died but Obito beat them to it). Naruto felt pain when he found out he hurt Sakura, Sakura was saddended to learn about the nine tails, akaksuti, and fate of Jinchurki. Sakura was also highly concerned for Naruto when he went 4 tails going as far to try and snap him out of it because she knew this was not who he was, she even wanted to hope him control or contian it in some way. Naruto was happy to try and fulfill Sakura's happiness, Sakura was given hope by Naruto and determination hence why she trained with Tsunade, she became strong for herself and Naruto to help him in their shared goal of Sasuke (the promise can also be counted but Naruto technically is doing it for all of team 7). Obviously the confession was a big part, Naruto was shocked to think Sakura would kill Sasuke and was concerned and scared because his bonds could have ultimately shattered right there he was scared for what could have happened to either one of them dying. Sakura was sad because of the pain she felt she caused Naruto going to try and free him but then gets hope from him to make everything right. Now she is determined to help him to the end. Again from the confession she was also concerned about the possible fate of him dying with Sasuke. Even with this rough event, their friendship is still ultimately close. Still best friends. Naruto as I see it would not hold a grudge against Sakura and it would just be illogical to think Kishi would get rid of that friendship. Sakura herself gave Naruto determination such as when she told him crying would not bring Sasuke back, this is what kept them both going and these words with Sasukes skill drove Naruto to make the rasenshuriken.

Most of the interaciton has been happiness between them though, mainly during downtime between missions. One of the biggest things for this development? Though Sakura still loved Sasuke for the majority of the series, in part 2 there were times when she put Naruto above Sasuke in situations regarding him, she even put Naruto above herself. She is not some crazy hate filled girl who only wants to use him, she has a close friendship with Naruto and shows great concern for his wellbeing at times. This is fact and this we can call canon.

The best part? This is how the best realationships are formed, you need to take the good and bad of people you know but with the bad, you understand how things came about. I've fought with many of my friends yet things always turned out better afterwards mainly because we just give each other room if something has driven us mad and have someone else talk it out, its amazing how this simple technique can work. Plus we can all act as ourselves, not who others expect us to be. Thats what I see in Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Naruto is an idiot and Sakura does hit him but thats for comedic effect and to keep Naruto in line from making anything worse, he acts like a brat he gets treated like it (but everyone knows Naruto is more mature than he was at the start). My point being, Naruto and Sakura are themselves around each other. In some ways I see Hinata not trying to be herself, but copy Naruto. If NaruSaku would be two "Kushinas" and not work as many naruhina fans claim than naruhina would be two "Narutos" and I'm sure Naruto would not want to date himself.

NaruHina simply, does not have the emotion or the reason for development like NaruSaku did. It has some quality but its small, and it cannot just nitro itself to the spotlight. One major reason for NaruSaku is Sakura showed great development and her feelings for Naruto became much deeper even though she still loves Sasuke. If you ask me, Sakura's feelings for Naruto and how her love for Sasuke conflict (they do) makes a much better one than just simply Hinata copying and doing stuff for Naruto to notice. Naruto had many reasons for Sakura and himself, Sakura has her own reasons for Naruto even though she just likes him. Even then Naruto is not out to try to get Sakura, he only feels he can confess when Sasuke is back or if she chose him herself. He would not take advantage of Sasuke's abstance to try and get her affections. He would only want to be with Sakura because she wanted it as he would, only for the right reasons not because they should, because they want too and feel affection and acceptance for each other.

One of the things I find best about this pairing is how both Naruto and Sakura felt they did not deserve the other, Naruto for not fulfilling the promise and Sakura for the pain she caused him indriectly Nothing said about how this cannot be resolved now. I feel that in the future we will see their feelings towards each other come to light again, mainly when Sasuke takes center stage.

It would be hard to imagine after all the development in the manga, road to ninja, and parallels in the story that this would just be shafted for a minor side character who has yet to even appear in 100 chapters. I sorry I just don't remember Hinata having such a big story, her longest time in any arc is still the chunin exams, she only gets steamrolled and watches Naruto beat Neji. In shippuden she comes back for a breif moment before Naruto meets Sai, sticks with the itachi pursuit team in the revenge arc (even then it was an arc focused on Sasuke NOT THE LEAF CHARACTERS), then comes pain she gets steamrolled AGAIN, and now 615. Can she ever and I mean ever get a moment of major development without some pain inflicted on anyone? Neji just died for her development which is really what pissed people off, major development for a minor character who is not even in 1/6th of the story. People go insane over this minor a character

Simply put, if anti-Sakura fans call her a b-word, I see Hinata as an occupational hazard, its like everyone should clear a 25 ft radius around her, no telling who she may accidently kill due to her presence. Can we call Hinata a bad omen because everytime she steps up, someone gets hurt badly, mainly herself.

Yeah in short though cause kishi basically confirmed the love triange to keep going, then NaruSaku should still be alive. We don't know what is going on in the future but it would literally be a crime to just keep going NaruHina now, cause he cannot put Hinata in such an important place espcially when it comes to Sasuke and he would need to do something with Sakura so it does not impact her development in the end, no SS that reduces all of Sakura's development and destroys Sasuke's character, I would rather have an emo revenge driven Sasuke rather than a love-mushy one. Basically Hinata is again a side character and not what the fandom wants or precives her to be. She is not the heroine, and kishi made this clear when he said "you say hinata hinata, I say she is not Hinata." And even then he said he would try to bring Sakura into a more heroine status in the future, basically she has the right tools and position for it given the situation over the war and Naruto and Sasuke. Sakura can become the heroine she must, this can lay with her future "big moment" as we predict.

NaruSaku is alive, if Kishi just kills it, this manga would be reduced to nothing but fanservice and enter fanfiction land, he chose to develop with Sakura, not Hinata. Nothing is going to change that in the past. He goes forward with Hinata, no amount asspulling from his bag of magical bag of story kitten could convince non-naruhina fans it actually works, all i see in that bag is nasty stuff and hot air. NaruHina faces character devlopment issues with Naruto, Hinata's postion in the story, and Sakura's development individually (she cannot regress back to part 1 Sakura or get together with Sasuke, SS is the hell of all these).

I hope he sticks with the consistancy and its again simple NaruSaku has everything, if it does, no harm to the story and its still a good resolution for team 7. Sasuke has no reason for love, Sakura cannot keep loving Sasuke, Naruto should still love Sakura (according to that interview with the love triangle being on still and hundreds of other reasons). Hinata overall does not fit, a character not even present for 1/6th of the story is not what you would call major. Shikamaru and Tsunade are more around 25-40% of the story but still at least had situations with good screentime and development which was meaningful and well paced, not shoved in front of the audience all at once.

Basically this is what I mean when the fans think NaruHina comes up:

[HauntedCake]

The topic of the day is asspulling, how much can one author mess up a story reducing it to a merchanised fanservice/fanfiction?

Aside from that, yeah NaruSaku has a lot more going for it in terms of quality and quantity.

Main reason any of us like NaruSaku is just that, its the most developed espcially where it counts. Sasuke has nothing towards Sakura, Naruto does not return all that much to Hinata. Because Hinata could be considered a copycat of Naruto's ideals, its when he broke in 615 that Hinata was nothing more than a spare container then reduced again to side character status.

But the real reasons for Naruto and Sakura are that is well their relationship is the most realistic. They have shared the good and bad together, not just attributed to Sasuke's events. They both had happiness, sadness, confusion, anger, and hope at each other. Naruto and Sakura felt pain with Sasuke when he left 4 times (one time was when they had the chance to get him after Itachi died but Obito beat them to it). Naruto felt pain when he found out he hurt Sakura, Sakura was saddended to learn about the nine tails, akaksuti, and fate of Jinchurki. Sakura was also highly concerned for Naruto when he went 4 tails going as far to try and snap him out of it because she knew this was not who he was, she even wanted to hope him control or contian it in some way. Naruto was happy to try and fulfill Sakura's happiness, Sakura was given hope by Naruto and determination hence why she trained with Tsunade, she became strong for herself and Naruto to help him in their shared goal of Sasuke (the promise can also be counted but Naruto technically is doing it for all of team 7). Obviously the confession was a big part, Naruto was shocked to think Sakura would kill Sasuke and was concerned and scared because his bonds could have ultimately shattered right there he was scared for what could have happened to either one of them dying. Sakura was sad because of the pain she felt she caused Naruto going to try and free him but then gets hope from him to make everything right. Now she is determined to help him to the end. Again from the confession she was also concerned about the possible fate of him dying with Sasuke. Even with this rough event, their friendship is still ultimately close. Still best friends. Naruto as I see it would not hold a grudge against Sakura and it would just be illogical to think Kishi would get rid of that friendship. Sakura herself gave Naruto determination such as when she told him crying would not bring Sasuke back, this is what kept them both going and these words with Sasukes skill drove Naruto to make the rasenshuriken.

Most of the interaciton has been happiness between them though, mainly during downtime between missions. One of the biggest things for this development? Though Sakura still loved Sasuke for the majority of the series, in part 2 there were times when she put Naruto above Sasuke in situations regarding him, she even put Naruto above herself. She is not some crazy hate filled girl who only wants to use him, she has a close friendship with Naruto and shows great concern for his wellbeing at times. This is fact and this we can call canon.

The best part? This is how the best realationships are formed, you need to take the good and bad of people you know but with the bad, you understand how things came about. I've fought with many of my friends yet things always turned out better afterwards mainly because we just give each other room if something has driven us mad and have someone else talk it out, its amazing how this simple technique can work. Plus we can all act as ourselves, not who others expect us to be. Thats what I see in Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Naruto is an idiot and Sakura does hit him but thats for comedic effect and to keep Naruto in line from making anything worse, he acts like a brat he gets treated like it (but everyone knows Naruto is more mature than he was at the start). My point being, Naruto and Sakura are themselves around each other. In some ways I see Hinata not trying to be herself, but copy Naruto. If NaruSaku would be two "Kushinas" and not work as many naruhina fans claim than naruhina would be two "Narutos" and I'm sure Naruto would not want to date himself.

NaruHina simply, does not have the emotion or the reason for development like NaruSaku did. It has some quality but its small, and it cannot just nitro itself to the spotlight. One major reason for NaruSaku is Sakura showed great development and her feelings for Naruto became much deeper even though she still loves Sasuke. If you ask me, Sakura's feelings for Naruto and how her love for Sasuke conflict (they do) makes a much better one than just simply Hinata copying and doing stuff for Naruto to notice. Naruto had many reasons for Sakura and himself, Sakura has her own reasons for Naruto even though she just likes him. Even then Naruto is not out to try to get Sakura, he only feels he can confess when Sasuke is back or if she chose him herself. He would not take advantage of Sasuke's abstance to try and get her affections. He would only want to be with Sakura because she wanted it as he would, only for the right reasons not because they should, because they want too and feel affection and acceptance for each other.

One of the things I find best about this pairing is how both Naruto and Sakura felt they did not deserve the other, Naruto for not fulfilling the promise and Sakura for the pain she caused him indriectly Nothing said about how this cannot be resolved now. I feel that in the future we will see their feelings towards each other come to light again, mainly when Sasuke takes center stage.

It would be hard to imagine after all the development in the manga, road to ninja, and parallels in the story that this would just be shafted for a minor side character who has yet to even appear in 100 chapters. I sorry I just don't remember Hinata having such a big story, her longest time in any arc is still the chunin exams, she only gets steamrolled and watches Naruto beat Neji. In shippuden she comes back for a breif moment before Naruto meets Sai, sticks with the itachi pursuit team in the revenge arc (even then it was an arc focused on Sasuke NOT THE LEAF CHARACTERS), then comes pain she gets steamrolled AGAIN, and now 615. Can she ever and I mean ever get a moment of major development without some pain inflicted on anyone? Neji just died for her development which is really what pissed people off, major development for a minor character who is not even in 1/6th of the story. People go insane over this minor a character

Simply put, if anti-Sakura fans call her a b-word, I see Hinata as an occupational hazard, its like everyone should clear a 25 ft radius around her, no telling who she may accidently kill due to her presence. Can we call Hinata a bad omen because everytime she steps up, someone gets hurt badly, mainly herself.

Yeah in short though cause kishi basically confirmed the love triange to keep going, then NaruSaku should still be alive. We don't know what is going on in the future but it would literally be a crime to just keep going NaruHina now, cause he cannot put Hinata in such an important place espcially when it comes to Sasuke and he would need to do something with Sakura so it does not impact her development in the end, no SS that reduces all of Sakura's development and destroys Sasuke's character, I would rather have an emo revenge driven Sasuke rather than a love-mushy one. Basically Hinata is again a side character and not what the fandom wants or precives her to be. She is not the heroine, and kishi made this clear when he said "you say hinata hinata, I say she is not Hinata." And even then he said he would try to bring Sakura into a more heroine status in the future, basically she has the right tools and position for it given the situation over the war and Naruto and Sasuke. Sakura can become the heroine she must, this can lay with her future "big moment" as we predict.

NaruSaku is alive, if Kishi just kills it, this manga would be reduced to nothing but fanservice and enter fanfiction land, he chose to develop with Sakura, not Hinata. Nothing is going to change that in the past. He goes forward with Hinata, no amount asspulling from his bag of magical bag of story kitten could convince non-naruhina fans it actually works, all i see in that bag is nasty stuff and hot air. NaruHina faces character devlopment issues with Naruto, Hinata's postion in the story, and Sakura's development individually (she cannot regress back to part 1 Sakura or get together with Sasuke, SS is the hell of all these).

I hope he sticks with the consistancy and its again simple NaruSaku has everything, if it does, no harm to the story and its still a good resolution for team 7. Sasuke has no reason for love, Sakura cannot keep loving Sasuke, Naruto should still love Sakura (according to that interview with the love triangle being on still and hundreds of other reasons). Hinata overall does not fit, a character not even present for 1/6th of the story is not what you would call major. Shikamaru and Tsunade are more around 25-40% of the story but still at least had situations with good screentime and development which was meaningful and well paced, not shoved in front of the audience all at once.

Basically this is what I mean when the fans think NaruHina comes up:

I completely agree with this. NS is logical, anything else isn't.

[Codus N]

The topic of the day is asspulling, how much can one author mess up a story reducing it to a merchanised fanservice/fanfiction?

Aside from that, yeah NaruSaku has a lot more going for it in terms of quality and quantity.

Most of the interaciton has been happiness between them though, mainly during downtime between missions. One of the biggest things for this development? Though Sakura still loved Sasuke for the majority of the series, in part 2 there were times when she put Naruto above Sasuke in situations regarding him, she even put Naruto above herself. She is not some crazy hate filled girl who only wants to use him, she has a close friendship with Naruto and shows great concern for his wellbeing at times. This is fact and this we can call canon.

NaruHina simply, does not have the emotion or the reason for development like NaruSaku did. It has some quality but its small, and it cannot just nitro itself to the spotlight. One major reason for NaruSaku is Sakura showed great development and her feelings for Naruto became much deeper even though she still loves Sasuke. If you ask me, Sakura's feelings for Naruto and how her love for Sasuke conflict (they do) makes a much better one than just simply Hinata copying and doing stuff for Naruto to notice. Naruto had many reasons for Sakura and himself, Sakura has her own reasons for Naruto even though she just likes him. Even then Naruto is not out to try to get Sakura, he only feels he can confess when Sasuke is back or if she chose him herself. He would not take advantage of Sasuke's abstance to try and get her affections. He would only want to be with Sakura because she wanted it as he would, only for the right reasons not because they should, because they want too and feel affection and acceptance for each other.

One of the things I find best about this pairing is how both Naruto and Sakura felt they did not deserve the other, Naruto for not fulfilling the promise and Sakura for the pain she caused him indriectly Nothing said about how this cannot be resolved now. I feel that in the future we will see their feelings towards each other come to light again, mainly when Sasuke takes center stage.

It would be hard to imagine after all the development in the manga, road to ninja, and parallels in the story that this would just be shafted for a minor side character who has yet to even appear in 100 chapters. I sorry I just don't remember Hinata having such a big story, her longest time in any arc is still the chunin exams, she only gets steamrolled and watches Naruto beat Neji. In shippuden she comes back for a breif moment before Naruto meets Sai, sticks with the itachi pursuit team in the revenge arc (even then it was an arc focused on Sasuke NOT THE LEAF CHARACTERS), then comes pain she gets steamrolled AGAIN, and now 615. Can she ever and I mean ever get a moment of major development without some pain inflicted on anyone? Neji just died for her development which is really what pissed people off, major development for a minor character who is not even in 1/6th of the story. People go insane over this minor a character


I hope he sticks with the consistancy and its again simple NaruSaku has everything, if it does, no harm to the story and its still a good resolution for team 7. Sasuke has no reason for love, Sakura cannot keep loving Sasuke, Naruto should still love Sakura (according to that interview with the love triangle being on still and hundreds of other reasons). Hinata overall does not fit, a character not even present for 1/6th of the story is not what you would call major. Shikamaru and Tsunade are more around 25-40% of the story but still at least had situations with good screentime and development which was meaningful and well paced, not shoved in front of the audience all at once.

Bolded: This is the one thing I don't get. Kishi could've easily had a moment like that between Kage Summit and Turtle island arc. Hell, it would've been a great chance to clear up the confession and I don't understand why he didn't do that. Yeah, he could've been waiting for the climax to do it, but it would've been a lot better if he had done it earlier. 'Cause to me, the romance subplot isn't all that important to the story.

Also, if Kishi wishes so, yes, he can make NH nitro itself all the way to the front line if he wants to. It's his story, after all. And we can't do anything about it other than complain.

Second bolded: Like I said, it all depends on Kishi now. Whether he's going anywhere with Hinata's recent developments and turn it into something more, it's all up to him.

And now, we're talking about consistency here. You want consistency in NS?? Kishi should've done that in 615.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded: This is the one thing I don't get. Kishi could've easily had a moment like that between Kage Summit and Turtle island arc. Hell, it would've been a great chance to clear up the confession and I don't understand why he didn't do that. Yeah, he could've been waiting for the climax to do it, but it would've been a lot better if he had done it earlier. 'Cause to me, the romance subplot isn't all that important to the story.

Also, if Kishi wishes so, yes, he can make NH nitro itself all the way to the front line if he wants to. It's his story, after all. And we can't do anything about it other than complain.

Second bolded: Like I said, it all depends on Kishi now. Whether he's going anywhere with Hinata's recent developments and turn it into something more, it's all up to him.

And now, we're talking about consistency here. You want consistency in NS?? Kishi should've done that in 615.

He left a a hint when Naruto come back about Sakura's future behavior towards Naruto, she was more kind and gentle with him than she ever did before.
She knows that Naruto loves her and different than Hinata's confession it had an event that was triggered due to it which was her acknowledging who Naruto really is for her and this was enought for her to put Naruto way above Sasuke.
He's developing NS since part 2, on this arc he avoided an interaction between Naruto and Sakura because if we had an interaction it's canon, Narusaku only needs a single push to become canon, NaruHina needs an entire development but it's too late for it, 615 could had sealed the deal but instead he made 616 trolling everyone, because 616 could be the moment that Naruto would shift to Hinata or even give a hint that he's in love with her this is the reason why there was a lot of expectatives towards this chapter but it didnt fulfilled the NaruHina fandom desires.
If he really wanted Naruhina to became canon that was the moment but he discarded it.

[PhenixElite]

Bolded: This is the one thing I don't get. Kishi could've easily had a moment like that between Kage Summit and Turtle island arc. Hell, it would've been a great chance to clear up the confession and I don't understand why he didn't do that. Yeah, he could've been waiting for the climax to do it, but it would've been a lot better if he had done it earlier. 'Cause to me, the romance subplot isn't all that important to the story.

He kept them apart on purpose. The whole confession thing and now aslo the war arc was a great chance to stall the resultuion for NS till the end. The next real interaction about the confession between naruto and sakura would most likely make NS as good as canon and this is the thing kishi tries to stall till the end.
As you know, its common for shonen to wait with pairings till the end, also if naruto and sakura already came together by now, it would only cause problems for the story telling, like the naruo vs sasuke battle and war arc.

[Codus N]

He kept them apart on purpose. The whole confession thing and now aslo the war arc was a great chance to stall the resultuion for NS till the end. The next real interaction about the confession between naruto and sakura would most likely make NS as good as canon and this is the thing kishi tries to stall till the end.
As you know, its common for shonen to wait with pairings till the end, also if naruto and sakura already came together by now, it would only cause problems for the story telling, like the naruo vs sasuke battle and war arc.

That is true, but at this point, it's dragged on for too long. If you drag on a story whether it's a subplot or the main plot for too long, people will just lose interest in it. It may even affect reading satisfaction as a whole. Hell, I can think of two pairings that was resolved in the middle of the story, (and what I mean is, an affirmation of both sides' feelings.) JellalxErza and EdWin. I would put NaLu in as well, but that was revealed in an interview, not in the middle of the story.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That is true, but at this point, it's dragged on for too long. If you drag on a story whether it's a subplot or the main plot for too long, people will just lose interest in it. It may even affect reading satisfaction as a whole. Hell, I can think of two pairings that was resolved in the middle of the story, (and what I mean is, an affirmation of both sides' feelings.) JellalxErza and EdWin. I would put NaLu in as well, but that was revealed in an interview, not in the middle of the story.

At the ending he wanst even thinking on being with her until she asked him.

Fullmetal Alchemist has never been an shounen that had this subplot.

And moreover this is not an excuse, "dragging for too long", when we know why it's dragging for too long, i'm not a fan that "kishimoto keep feeding me up" it's sucks if every volume would had some kind of romantic subplot being showed up.
we have an entire arc revolved on Narusaku which was the Kage's summit, it reached a point that a minor push makes it canon, if it's dragged for too long it's because he know that he'd choose it to be canon because if not he could just resolve it or at least do not show chapters like 540.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 March 2013 - 02:12 PM.

[PhenixElite]

That is true, but at this point, it's dragged on for too long. If you drag on a story whether it's a subplot or the main plot for too long, people will just lose interest in it. It may even affect reading satisfaction as a whole. Hell, I can think of two pairings that was resolved in the middle of the story, (and what I mean is, an affirmation of both sides' feelings.) JellalxErza and EdWin. I would put NaLu in as well, but that was revealed in an interview, not in the middle of the story.

Well, i also always found the war arc was a bad idea in general, but what matters is that it doesnt come over as a long time without interaction between naruto and sakura if you read the manga in chunks. Of course it feels endless if you only get to read one chapeter a week, but what matters is that it isnt that long in chunks. As i reread the maga, the time during war arc past by quickly and seemed ok for them without interaction.

Kishi just trys to drag out the whole team 7 love triangle till the final interaction with sasuke and im fully ok with that.

[HauntedCake]

I think Naruto won't even talk to Hinata about her feeling for him. Naruto will do what he does best... "SAKURA-CHAN!!!!"

Naruto and Sakura will be normal and most importantly natural with each other then Hinata will see that naruto doesn't love her and he loves Sakura.


One of those " Ah, i see now!" moments.

[redragon88]

Someone posted a review of the NS event in another forum. It's all in kanji.

HARUコミ参加された方お疲れ様でした！来て下さった方や話してくださったり差し入れまで下さった方も、 有難うございました！差し入れのオシャンティ度が異常に高いのはナルサクのせい…？そうなの！？そしておー ん、お手紙読みました、嬉しすぎて…(´；ω；`)大切に心に刻みます…！有難うございますｽﾞﾋﾞｽﾞﾋ ﾞ
スケブ預かりの方、発送時にこちらでお知らせします。大体1週間前後くらい。

offlineを修正しておきました。隊長本とweb録は完売です。有難うございました！web録はお祭り やっほう！な再版だったので、再再版や通販はありませんm(__)m　5月は在庫があっても置かない本があ ると思うので、また改めて直前にご連絡しますね。

さてさて、ナルサクプチでしたね…！！
何もかもが可愛くて…参加できて本当に幸せでした……！！ﾊﾌﾊﾌ　朝結構追われていてバッジを付け忘れて しまったの超後悔！バッジを付けた見知らぬお姉さんとお互いナルサクスキーであることをバッジで確認し、ふ んわり微笑を交わす…みたいなことしたかったよ…！　そしてアンソロジーすっごくすっごく良かったです。素 晴らしいナルサクを一度にこんなに大量に摂取できるなんて…ジーザス！初体験！主催者様方、本当にお疲れ様 でした。素晴らしきイベントを有難うございました！

　春コミ無事終了！参加された皆様お疲れ様でした！
そして当サークルお立ち寄り下さった方本お買い上げ下さった方話しかけて下さった方差し入れ下さった方スケ ブ描かせて下さった方構ってくれた友人ズ、そしてそしてナルサクプチオンリー主催様本当に有難うございまし た！！
ナルサクスペースはどこも華やかで幸せでした。買いそびれが悲しかったけど…結構立ち寄ってくださる方が多 くてお隣のサークルさんと「ナルサクスキーさん結構多いんですね！」と話してました。本当どこに隠れてたん だい。有難う。
オンリーグッズもかわいくてほわほわしてました。
アンソロも、アンソロがまた！素晴らしくて！どこ開いてもナルサクってアナタ…どうしたらいいのか分からな くてあわあわ呟いたら友達におちつけ言われるくらい変なテンションだった。
読んでない方は本気でオススメします、よ！
恐れ多くも私も描かせてもらったんですが、何か自分のだけヤケに異質…というか場違いな気がして堪らん…何 だろうなこれ…すみません。

ともあれ幸せな素敵なイベントでした。嬉しいサプライズもあったし楽しかったー！！

改めて関ってくれた方々有難うございました！
さて次はスパコミですよー！すぐ目の前に〆切という地獄がだな！
今度はもう少し優しい地獄だといい…笑

yellow×pinkお疲れ様でした！当日のサークルカットだったもの↑パンフがカラーだったことに感動
一気に戦利品を徹夜で読みあさりました！これであと半年頑張っていける。もぐもぐ。
ポスターや缶バッチはベッドの壁に貼り付けて、みるたびににやにやしておりますうふふ
当日はいい天気に恵まれてよかったですね！そしてナルサクって人気なんだなあとしみじみ・・・
あんなにたくさんのナルサク好きさんが集まっていたことに未だに興奮しています・・・！
原作がナルヒナ風味なのでみんなやっぱりそっちが好きなのかなあ、と思っていましたがナルサクはまだまだ安 泰ですね！普及するためにもまたナルサクで活動したいです！（本当は二冊描きたかった）
ぼっち参加で知り合いが全くおらず緊張しまくっていたのですが、近隣のサークルさんはじめ良いひとばかりで よかったです＾＾
ナルサクって温かい！むしろ本当にぼっちで行ったのかという、お話させて頂いた方々ありがとうございました 。
そして終始テンパっててすみません。初めてサークル参加したので至らなかった部分もあったと思 います。
ナルサク本は完売しました。予想外にはやめになくなってしまい、後から来られた方には申し訳な いです；
間違えて見本誌もお渡ししてしまいまして、乱丁がどなたかお持ちかと思います。すみません！

やはりイベントっていいですね！とても楽しく過ごさせて頂きました。ナルサクが好きでよかった ！


主催者さまそしてスタッフの方々、参加者の皆さんありがとうございましたっ！

当日に売り子だったナルサクもぺたり☆


＞ころね様
春コミお疲れさまでした！わざわざ当スペースまでお越し下さりありがとうございました。
ペーパーお取り下さったのですね！ナルサク可愛いですよね、共感してもらえて嬉しいです＾＾
再販希望ありがとうございますー！はい！取り置きしておきますね。
上手く伝えられなくてごめんなさい。５月ではなく１０月のスパークの方です・・・。
上記にも掲載しましたがスパークの方はいろいろ予定があって必ずとは言い難いのです。。。
ですがころね様のためにも頑張りますのでよろしくお願いします。
スパークについては確定しましたらＨＰでお知らせしますので、お手数ですが確認して頂ければ幸 いです。
またなにかありましたらメールにて随時受け付けます！muuuchaxxx★gmail.co m ★→@
それではわざわざご連絡して下さりありがとうございました！

17日、参加された皆さんお疲れ様でした！
いやぁ～もう！もう・・・っ！！すっごい楽しいイベントでした(Ｔ▽Ｔ)
東京のイベントとプチオンリーに参加するっていうのが初めてだったものでちょっと緊張してたん ですが
始まってしまえば楽しすぎて緊張は解けてました(ほっ)

あげはさんと一緒に会場に入ったのが多分９時過ぎてましたね・・・orz
先に来ていたサイサクで参加されてたくろさんに挨拶して初っ端から話しが盛り上がってたのですが、私は何も 準備出来てないし取り敢えず先に挨拶したかった方達には急いで挨拶へ。



一般入場の時間になってもまだちゃんと準備が出来てなかったので早い時間に当スペースまで来てくださった方 には申し訳なかったです( ；∀；)ぐだぐだ・・・
ナルサクプチ開催ってこともあって沢山の方にナルサク本手にとって貰えて凄く嬉しかったです・゜・(ノД` )・゜・無配のポスカとペーパーが結構直ぐになくなってしまってお渡し出来なかった方、すみませんでした＞ ＜
もう少し用意してれば良かった・・・orz

サイサクはどうかな～って思ってたんですが、こちらも思っていた以上に沢山の方に手にとって貰えたかと思い ます。買ってくださった方で「サイサクって珍しいですよね～、だからあって嬉しいです」とか「サイサクいい ですよね！！」とか色々話しかけてくださって凄く嬉しかったです(；ω；)もうサイサクサークル皆で舞い上 がってました(ノ∀｀)

有難いことに既刊のしらたまクリームあんみつ550円(R18)は完売しました！もう手元には残ってないの であとは、とらのあなさんにて委託して貰ってる分のみとなります。こっちももう残りが僅かみた いです。


当時のスペースはこんな感じでした～。 くろさんとあげはさんがちょっと入ってますね(´・ω・｀)くろさんの本は来てすぐ頂いたのですが、あげは さんのは後で・・・と思ってたらホントに直ぐ完売してて・・・orz私中身ちゃんと見せて貰ってないんです けど(；ω；)普通に欲しかったのに・・・(爆) 最初は忙しかったので(売り子もいないし)暫くしてから買い物＆ご挨拶へ！！ナルサクぷち主催でもあるVe rdeのCHIEさん、からきし傭兵団 真雅の砂原さんとは結構お話し出来て楽しかったですvVあと、ムンクのミンさんともお話し出来 たー(//∇//)今回、普段大阪のイベントではお会いできない方が沢山いらっしゃったので挨拶は片っ端からしたんですが( ←)バタバタしてたりスペースにいらっしゃられなかったりして挨拶とか差し入れ出来なかったりしてちょっと 悔しいです( ；∀；)うぅ 私がスペース空けてる間、くろさんとあげはさんが売り子してくれてたみたいで感謝＞＜


買った本の1部( *｀ω´) 完売してて買えなかったやつもあるんです(；ω；)しかし、あんなにナルサク本が並ぶなんて何かもう凄かっ たです＞＜皆ナルサク好きなんだぁ・・・！とか色々考えてましたvVホントにナルサクぷち参加出来た事やギ リギリになりながらも何とかナルサク本出せてほんっとに良かったです！！どう考えても間に合わずに締切過ぎ ても原稿やってたのでもう諦めよう・・・また次回にしようって何度か思ったんですが、でもやっぱりナルサク 好きだしもう今後こんな素敵な企画に参加出来るかも判んないしで頑張って良かったです・゜・(ノД`)・゜ ・て、いうか印刷所さんがしっかり対応してくださったから発行出来たんですよね・・・かなり今回迷惑かけた と思います・・・。ホント、ご丁寧な対応ありがとうございましたっ。


頂きもの。くろさんからのものが黒とピンクでサイサクw もうこの時点で食べちゃったのもあるんですが(w)、差し入れくださった方ありがとうございま した★


これはくろさんから頂いた小説！！巻物になってるんです！！クオリティ高すぎる＞＜柄はサクラちゃんに合わ せて桜だし・・・！！！コピ本とかも「え？！それコピ本なん？！」って感じになるくらい凄いこだわって作っ てらっしゃるし。めっちゃ紙とか詳しいしほんと凄いんですよ(ノ∀｀)あげはさんのコピ本印刷して製本した のくろさんなんですが、紙とか可愛かったです(//∇//)

楽しい時間ってあっという間に過ぎてしまいますよね( ；∀；)
結局最後くらいまで居て、帰り際も挨拶出来た人にはして撤収！！ちゃっかり、砂原さんがスペースに設置され ていた特大ナルサクポスターも頂いちゃいましたよ(*´▽｀*)ありがとうございます＞＜それにしてもかん わいい！！


会場出た後はくろさんとあげはさんとでカラオケ！！ナルトメドレーvV
楽しすぎました(*´ω｀*)サイサク好きなのは皆同じなんですが、どっちかって言うとサクラちゃん押しな 私と違って2人がサイクラスタ過ぎるのでサイ話しがぶっとび過ぎて凄い可笑しかったww
ほんとサイが好きなんだなぁ・・・w(・ω・｀)私も好きだけど2人のサイへの愛が歪んでる（ 笑）


たまたまなんですがyellow×pinkだ！！！！ってことで。先に2人が気づいてほんまやー！！ってテ ンション上がって思わず写メ(〃ω〃)ストローまで同じ色ですよ(←)まぁ、yellowにささってたスト ローが青で「これじゃサスケじゃんw」ってことでそこだけはさし変えました（笑）


電車の時間とか色々あって、2時間ちょいでお別れしました( ；∀；)楽しかったから一気に寂しくなるww
ホントに幸せな１日でした！ナルサクプチに参加出来た事、沢山の方とお喋り出来た事、初サイサクで春コミに 出れた事、全ての事に感謝感謝！！皆さん楽しい時間をありがとうございました＞＜

I'll post it here just in case there's a brave enough soul capable of translating it.

[Codus N]

Where is ramenanmitsu when you need him??

[StrikerTheNoble]

Someone posted a review of the NS event in another forum. It's all in kanji.









I'll post it here just in case there's a brave enough soul capable of translating it.

Cmon japaneese speaking members. Translate it so we can know what a glorius event we missed. Its your turn to shine. Please

[PhenixElite]

Google translator say somthing like they thank the event makers for a great event, say that it was awesome and something like they werent able to read every doujin.
But well translator is the worst crap.

[Gravenimage]

This is what i'm saying earlier.

When kishimoto was interviewd by SJ Alpha.
He said that Naruto would be "perfect".

If we follow up the story we can see that Naruto's love for Sakura is pratically perfect.
He loves her but does not treat it like a possession.
It's not obssessed with Naruto.
Does not get hurt because of that love, it's mainly because of Sasuke.
Does not force it.
Does not chase/stalk Sakura.
Can pass years away from her but still is in love.
He despicted a perfect love how it can be perfect if he has to move on?

Moreover he had the chance of developing NH romantically on 615 and 616 but he discarded it, that was the moment for NH to be canon because Kishi could give some Naruto>>Hinata implicity like the part that Sakura>>Naruto on the bridge battle which didnt happened.

NH can only become canon with asspull and it's bad writing.

You're wrong about 615-616 been the perfect chance for Kishi to develop NH. He had PLENTY of chances to develop the pairing but he didn't bother. Ever since part 1 the chunin exams was a perfect chance to develop the pairing but he discarded it. Before Naruto left Konoha to train with Jiraiya that Hinata was watching him (stalking him obviously lol) that was another chance to develop NH thrown away. Part 2 when Naruto meets Hinata for the first time (another chance to develop NH discarded). The hunt for Sasuke and Itachi arc (note that Hinata was put in the same team as Naruto another perfect chance to develop NH gone). Then there's the pain arc with her confession (another chance discarded because it took Naruto over a 100 chapters to thank her for saving him BUT he never brought her confession pretty much clearing he's not interested in her that way). After her confession Naruto didn't look for Hinata to see if she was okay or to give her an answer (yet another chance to develop NH discarded). It's not that Kishi is doing this on purpose that he's waiting for the perfect moment to develop the pairing (when he had so MANY chances to do it) it's just that NH is NOT the pairing he envisions that goes well with the plot of the story and part of the message he wants to bring to the reader.

[T XD]

Someone posted a review of the NS event in another forum. It's all in kanji.









I'll post it here just in case there's a brave enough soul capable of translating it.

That's a lot of writing. Hope someone will translate it. I want to know about this event

Imagine if it was told somewhere in this writing that Kishi was in this event XD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You're wrong about 615-616 been the perfect chance for Kishi to develop NH. He had PLENTY of chances to develop the pairing but he didn't bother. Ever since part 1 the chunin exams was a perfect chance to develop the pairing but he discarded it. Before Naruto left Konoha to train with Jiraiya that Hinata was watching him (stalking him obviously lol) that was another chance to develop NH thrown away. Part 2 when Naruto meets Hinata for the first time (another chance to develop NH discarded). The hunt for Sasuke and Itachi arc (note that Hinata was put in the same team as Naruto another perfect chance to develop NH gone). Then there's the pain arc with her confession (another chance discarded because it took Naruto over a 100 chapters to thank her for saving him BUT he never brought her confession pretty much clearing he's not interested in her that way). After her confession Naruto didn't look for Hinata to see if she was okay or to give her an answer (yet another chance to develop NH discarded). It's not that Kishi is doing this on purpose that he's waiting for the perfect moment to develop the pairing (when he had so MANY chances to do it) it's just that NH is NOT the pairing he envisions that goes well with the plot of the story and part of the message he wants to bring to the reader.

That was the chance if he wanted to make NH canon he could start there as last chance( i didnt said perfect chance) for NH to be developed and still Naruto did not displayed any romantic intentions towards her, on the handholding Kishimoto could have showed naruto thinking about Hinata which didnt happened.
Or at least show some intentions of this pairing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 March 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think she's anything to be concerned, rather possibly a glorified LeeSaku. Again, the difference is that since Naruto is the protagonist, you should expect actual developments from a character, just not love intention. To me, 616 was the perfect chance to tell me if NH is something that is considered, but lately, it hasn't. Kishi could have said that NH is a serious pairing. Right now, he's only making it out to be a normal fan pairing, which the only canon you can make is through fanfic.

[narulsaku]

hi guys so first thing i got to try to translate it and i think i can with babylone transelator. but i ve to use my pc. as its 11 i have to go to the bed wait for the mornin. @garvenimage -- i ve been saying that the whole time. there were chances to make nh but kishi ignored it. why? simple one way ns is canon.or waiting for the end to come to make nh canon at the last part. but possibility of the 2nd one is less as after this team 7 will be the main thing and @darkerest-- prety impressive those line about perfect love.

[Canadian_DJ]

The topic of the day is asspulling, how much can one author mess up a story reducing it to a merchanised fanservice/fanfiction?

Aside from that, yeah NaruSaku has a lot more going for it in terms of quality and quantity.

Main reason any of us like NaruSaku is just that, its the most developed espcially where it counts. Sasuke has nothing towards Sakura, Naruto does not return all that much to Hinata. Because Hinata could be considered a copycat of Naruto's ideals, its when he broke in 615 that Hinata was nothing more than a spare container then reduced again to side character status.

But the real reasons for Naruto and Sakura are that is well their relationship is the most realistic. They have shared the good and bad together, not just attributed to Sasuke's events. They both had happiness, sadness, confusion, anger, and hope at each other. Naruto and Sakura felt pain with Sasuke when he left 4 times (one time was when they had the chance to get him after Itachi died but Obito beat them to it). Naruto felt pain when he found out he hurt Sakura, Sakura was saddended to learn about the nine tails, akaksuti, and fate of Jinchurki. Sakura was also highly concerned for Naruto when he went 4 tails going as far to try and snap him out of it because she knew this was not who he was, she even wanted to hope him control or contian it in some way. Naruto was happy to try and fulfill Sakura's happiness, Sakura was given hope by Naruto and determination hence why she trained with Tsunade, she became strong for herself and Naruto to help him in their shared goal of Sasuke (the promise can also be counted but Naruto technically is doing it for all of team 7). Obviously the confession was a big part, Naruto was shocked to think Sakura would kill Sasuke and was concerned and scared because his bonds could have ultimately shattered right there he was scared for what could have happened to either one of them dying. Sakura was sad because of the pain she felt she caused Naruto going to try and free him but then gets hope from him to make everything right. Now she is determined to help him to the end. Again from the confession she was also concerned about the possible fate of him dying with Sasuke. Even with this rough event, their friendship is still ultimately close. Still best friends. Naruto as I see it would not hold a grudge against Sakura and it would just be illogical to think Kishi would get rid of that friendship. Sakura herself gave Naruto determination such as when she told him crying would not bring Sasuke back, this is what kept them both going and these words with Sasukes skill drove Naruto to make the rasenshuriken.

Most of the interaciton has been happiness between them though, mainly during downtime between missions. One of the biggest things for this development? Though Sakura still loved Sasuke for the majority of the series, in part 2 there were times when she put Naruto above Sasuke in situations regarding him, she even put Naruto above herself. She is not some crazy hate filled girl who only wants to use him, she has a close friendship with Naruto and shows great concern for his wellbeing at times. This is fact and this we can call canon.

The best part? This is how the best realationships are formed, you need to take the good and bad of people you know but with the bad, you understand how things came about. I've fought with many of my friends yet things always turned out better afterwards mainly because we just give each other room if something has driven us mad and have someone else talk it out, its amazing how this simple technique can work. Plus we can all act as ourselves, not who others expect us to be. Thats what I see in Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Naruto is an idiot and Sakura does hit him but thats for comedic effect and to keep Naruto in line from making anything worse, he acts like a brat he gets treated like it (but everyone knows Naruto is more mature than he was at the start). My point being, Naruto and Sakura are themselves around each other. In some ways I see Hinata not trying to be herself, but copy Naruto. If NaruSaku would be two "Kushinas" and not work as many naruhina fans claim than naruhina would be two "Narutos" and I'm sure Naruto would not want to date himself.

NaruHina simply, does not have the emotion or the reason for development like NaruSaku did. It has some quality but its small, and it cannot just nitro itself to the spotlight. One major reason for NaruSaku is Sakura showed great development and her feelings for Naruto became much deeper even though she still loves Sasuke. If you ask me, Sakura's feelings for Naruto and how her love for Sasuke conflict (they do) makes a much better one than just simply Hinata copying and doing stuff for Naruto to notice. Naruto had many reasons for Sakura and himself, Sakura has her own reasons for Naruto even though she just likes him. Even then Naruto is not out to try to get Sakura, he only feels he can confess when Sasuke is back or if she chose him herself. He would not take advantage of Sasuke's abstance to try and get her affections. He would only want to be with Sakura because she wanted it as he would, only for the right reasons not because they should, because they want too and feel affection and acceptance for each other.

One of the things I find best about this pairing is how both Naruto and Sakura felt they did not deserve the other, Naruto for not fulfilling the promise and Sakura for the pain she caused him indriectly Nothing said about how this cannot be resolved now. I feel that in the future we will see their feelings towards each other come to light again, mainly when Sasuke takes center stage.

It would be hard to imagine after all the development in the manga, road to ninja, and parallels in the story that this would just be shafted for a minor side character who has yet to even appear in 100 chapters. I sorry I just don't remember Hinata having such a big story, her longest time in any arc is still the chunin exams, she only gets steamrolled and watches Naruto beat Neji. In shippuden she comes back for a breif moment before Naruto meets Sai, sticks with the itachi pursuit team in the revenge arc (even then it was an arc focused on Sasuke NOT THE LEAF CHARACTERS), then comes pain she gets steamrolled AGAIN, and now 615. Can she ever and I mean ever get a moment of major development without some pain inflicted on anyone? Neji just died for her development which is really what pissed people off, major development for a minor character who is not even in 1/6th of the story. People go insane over this minor a character

Simply put, if anti-Sakura fans call her a b-word, I see Hinata as an occupational hazard, its like everyone should clear a 25 ft radius around her, no telling who she may accidently kill due to her presence. Can we call Hinata a bad omen because everytime she steps up, someone gets hurt badly, mainly herself.

Yeah in short though cause kishi basically confirmed the love triange to keep going, then NaruSaku should still be alive. We don't know what is going on in the future but it would literally be a crime to just keep going NaruHina now, cause he cannot put Hinata in such an important place espcially when it comes to Sasuke and he would need to do something with Sakura so it does not impact her development in the end, no SS that reduces all of Sakura's development and destroys Sasuke's character, I would rather have an emo revenge driven Sasuke rather than a love-mushy one. Basically Hinata is again a side character and not what the fandom wants or precives her to be. She is not the heroine, and kishi made this clear when he said "you say hinata hinata, I say she is not Hinata." And even then he said he would try to bring Sakura into a more heroine status in the future, basically she has the right tools and position for it given the situation over the war and Naruto and Sasuke. Sakura can become the heroine she must, this can lay with her future "big moment" as we predict.

NaruSaku is alive, if Kishi just kills it, this manga would be reduced to nothing but fanservice and enter fanfiction land, he chose to develop with Sakura, not Hinata. Nothing is going to change that in the past. He goes forward with Hinata, no amount asspulling from his bag of magical bag of story kitten could convince non-naruhina fans it actually works, all i see in that bag is nasty stuff and hot air. NaruHina faces character devlopment issues with Naruto, Hinata's postion in the story, and Sakura's development individually (she cannot regress back to part 1 Sakura or get together with Sasuke, SS is the hell of all these).

I hope he sticks with the consistancy and its again simple NaruSaku has everything, if it does, no harm to the story and its still a good resolution for team 7. Sasuke has no reason for love, Sakura cannot keep loving Sasuke, Naruto should still love Sakura (according to that interview with the love triangle being on still and hundreds of other reasons). Hinata overall does not fit, a character not even present for 1/6th of the story is not what you would call major. Shikamaru and Tsunade are more around 25-40% of the story but still at least had situations with good screentime and development which was meaningful and well paced, not shoved in front of the audience all at once.

Basically this is what I mean when the fans think NaruHina comes up:

AGREED 100 % LIKE A BOSS
@darkrerst, agree with you too.Everyone else, great job!

@Codus N lol theres always google translate

[Inferno180]

Here are a few very good questions I have asked many insane NaruHina and Anti-NaruSaku fans:

1. If NaruHina is assured to become canon, why make a big deal over Road to Ninja if its non-canon fanservice for us as many claim?
2. If NaruHina becomes canon, what must be done with Sakura? You realize she is the one tied in with Naruto's goals along with Sasuke for the most important plot points. Sakura cannot revert back espcially after the 5 kage summit incident, and you cannot make Sasuke go all love and mushy feelings because its really unnessessary for his character, answer this.
3. How is Hinata tied into Sasuke? Sasuke is an important drive on both Naruto and Sakura espcially between them, where does she fit into this equation? What will Hinata do to be in the presence of Sasuke who she has never even had a moment of canon screentime with? Not even dialouge or mention from her about him.
4. How can you claim Hinata knows Naruto more espcially arond situations like Sasuke and the Akaskuti? Better, when did the other members of Naruto's class find out about the nine tails, we know when Sakura and Sasuke found out, Sai found out from the 4 tails event himself. When did everyone else learn this to "understand his pain?"

There are a lot more like this I'll explain someother time, but most of the time, they either dodge the question or make up something completely laughable and do the fox news "cause we said so" arguement. The worse cases are those who let their blind devotion impede open ended possibile explainations. Some of these problems are direct but others are just designed to trap them in an immpossible answer because there is no way for them to answer it without making their answer more or less damaging to the story. I'll explain some more later.