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[Derock]

 

Right, because there is nothing worse than a woman who strays from her man, even though they aren't even together, even though he finds her insufferable, even though their history is riddled with him verbally abusing her when not trying to kill her several times. We can't have her move on from Sasuke, that would make her a slut!

 

But the massive problem about that is: THERE ISN'T ANY RELATIONSHIP between the two to begin with. Sakura = fangirling, Sasuke = doesn't give a damn about her romantically, he basically ignore the advances back then. And doesn't a relationship need communication, TRUST (there wasn't any to begin with), and then the following like loyalty and love in order to make it happen/work.  I swear, basic knowledge and logic went bye-bye.

 

I don't even know how that will make Sakura a "slut" when there isn't anything between the two.

[Aizen-Sama]

Sakura didn't want to break Hinata's heart but it was okay for her to break Naruto's.

[Nefertieh]

 

But the massive problem about that is: THERE ISN'T ANY RELATIONSHIP between the two to begin with. Sakura = fangirling, Sasuke = doesn't give a damn about her romantically. And doesn't a relationship need communication, TRUST, and then the following like loyalty and love in order to make it happen/work.  I swear, basic knowledge and logic went bye-bye.

 

I don't even know how that will make Sakura a "slut" when there isn't anything between the two.

 

Ofcourse there isn't. Hence why I mentioned "even though they aren't even together". The anti-sasusaku fanclub even crowned Sasuke as their King.

 

But simply having a woman changing her romantic interest from one man to another is considered the worst thing a woman can do. Don't worry if you're a man though, your feelings are never deep to begin with.

 

Guys, sexism killed narusaku.

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 November 2014 - 11:06 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, the assistant is right. We don't know Sakura. Because we didn't know sexism is involved. Thank you.

[Aizen-Sama]

 
Ofcourse there isn't. Hence why I mentioned "even though they aren't even together". The anti-sasusaku fanclub even crowned Sasuke as their King.
 
But simply having a woman changing her romantic interest from one man to another is considered the worst thing a woman can do. Don't worry if you're a man though, your feelings are never deep to begin with.
 
Guys, sexism killed narusaku.

Right on. How come Sakura's taking all responsibility for this? It's not her fault if Naruto loves her and she shouldn't take the blame if he chooses her over Hinata.
Hasn't Kikitten heard the phrase "All's fair in love and war?"
What is this kitten giving up guys you love to your friends and settling for girls as backup? This is total BS and not how real love works!!
What about Ino Rock Lee Karin and Naruto himself? How come Sakura was supposedly only concerned with Hinata's feelings? kittenmoto should just come out and admit that he asspulled NH for the fandom.

[Lilac]

So moving on from an abusive assh*le to a nicer man means you're "fickle"? So disgusting lol and Kishimoto's reason is screwed up on so many levels.
Basically Sakura was afraid of being judged. That's why NS didn't happen. Is that what Kishimoto's telling us?
He didn't even mention letting Sasuke completely off the hook after his murder attempts on his friends and yet he's concerned about how the heroine will look for switching from one guy to the next. I guess Naruto doesn't count for switching from Sakura to Hinata eh?
He didn't want Sakura to break Hinata's heart but it was ok for Sasuke to break Naruto's? It's ok for Sakura to break the main character's heart if it's just to protect Hinata-sama?
The hypocrisy and double standards is so glaringly obvious. Sakura had to make all the sacrifices.

 

I'm just pointing out that Sakura not ending up with Naruto had nothing to do with Hinata, but with her not seeming fickle. See, there's a common thing in manga/anime, it's basically loyalty+friendship is literally magic. For Sakura to give up on Sasuke, when she spent 693 chapters being seemingly in love with him, that wouldn't be seen as a good thing. When it comes to the genre, that is.  I don't understand why people are upset it's not realistic. This is a story about magical ninjas, where a man sexually harassing women is seen as charming and cute, where it's totally acceptable to train children how to murder people. Sexism has always existed in Naruto, too. I was kind of shocked people only realized it now? lol

 

I'll be honest, Kishimoto's statement doesn't surprise me. Manga/anime is not a great place to look for positive Western interpretations of women. Sasusaku is also a pretty popular trope there, actually. You'll find a lot of Shoujo stories where a cold/heartless person ends up warming up to the main lead, despite trying to assault/murder her.

Edited by Lilac, 21 November 2014 - 11:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Put it short: people didn't want to believe the one who has gave up or know kitten but read till the end. It's like being told that the singer is full of kitten but you want to believe he/she is very talented.

[Lilac]

Hmm, don't know if this has already been post, but here's takL's translation

 

 

"ive decided on hinata (to be narutos lady) since quite a long time ago. There was a time when i wondered if i should pick sakura (for the role) but now sakura would be too thick as a woman if she had a change of heart to give it to Naruto at this stage of the game (lol). plus actually sakura is always devoted to sasuke after all, I think."

 

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[rinali24]

YAY! MORE HINATA!!

"映画「NARUTO」来場特典本、表紙にナルト＆ヒナタと新キャラ

Naruto “The Last” Official Movie Guide Book (by Masashi Kishimoto)

Movie Attendance Bonus Book featuring NaruHina and Toneri on the cover"

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

I'm just pointing out that Sakura not ending up with Naruto had nothing to do with Hinata, but with her not seeming fickle. See, there's a common thing in manga/anime, it's basically loyalty+friendship is literally magic. For Sakura to give up on Sasuke, when she spent 693 chapters being seemingly in love with him, that wouldn't be seen as a good thing. When it comes to the genre, that is.  I don't understand why people are upset it's not realistic. This is a story about magical ninjas, where a man sexually harassing women is seen as charming and cute, where it's totally acceptable to train children how to murder people. Sexism has always existed in Naruto, too. I was kind of shocked people only realized it now? lol

 

I'll be honest, Kishimoto's statement doesn't surprise me. Manga/anime is not a great place to look for positive Western interpretations of women. Sasusaku is also a pretty popular trope there, actually. You'll find a lot of Shoujo stories where a cold/heartless person ends up warming up to the main lead, despite trying to assault/murder her.

You kind of missed what this manga was about.

[Advaith]

YAY! MORE HINATA!!

"映画「NARUTO」来場特典本、表紙にナルト＆ヒナタと新キャラ

Naruto “The Last” Official Movie Guide Book (by Masashi Kishimoto)

Movie Attendance Bonus Book featuring NaruHina and Toneri on the cover"

[Nefertieh]

 

I'm just pointing out that Sakura not ending up with Naruto had nothing to do with Hinata, but with her not seeming fickle.

 

At least one of the translations of that interview mentioned Sakura was put with Sasuke because it would seem terrible for her to switch to Naruto because she knew Hinata loved him.

 

 

 

See, there's a common thing in manga/anime, it's basically loyalty+friendship is literally magic. For Sakura to give up on Sasuke, when she spent 693 chapters being seemingly in love with him, that wouldn't be seen as a good thing. When it comes to the genre, that is.  I don't understand why people are upset it's not realistic. This is a story about magical ninjas, where a man sexually harassing women is seen as charming and cute, where it's totally acceptable to train children how to murder people. Sexism has always existed in Naruto, too. I was kind of shocked people only realized it now? lol

 

I'll be honest, Kishimoto's statement doesn't surprise me. Manga/anime is not a great place to look for positive Western interpretations of women. Sasusaku is also a pretty popular trope there, actually. You'll find a lot of Shoujo stories where a cold/heartless person ends up warming up to the main lead, despite trying to assault/murder her.

 

Except Kishimoto didn't decide to have Sakura paired with Sasuke at chapter 693, if we go by his words, it was more likely to be around the Kage Summit arc.

 

It's a double standard you have if you say Sakura cannot change her feelings towards Sasuke, then have Naruto do the exact same thing. People aren't upset about it being "unrealistic", we're upset about the fact that Kishimoto has tried to show Sakura was moving on (the love-letter nin giving her a wakeup call that Sasuke was not who she thought he was, the fake smile that the databook dedicated half a page to highlighting her distrust of Sasuke). Moreover, Sasuke is someone who spends the better part of their conversations belittling her or degrading her worth as a human, and that's not including the times he's tried to kill her or leave her for dead.

 

It's frighteningly realistic to see women end up in abusive relationships. But it's just bad storytelling if you've gone to the trouble to establish why their relationship is so terrible and unrequited, only to marry them off anyway.
 

[Otaru]

Kishimoto comes out with all these utterly embarrassing defensive comments claiming Sakura's feelings are 'true love' , that she is obliged to latch on to those feelings and not move on.

 

Here's the irony- You never gave a solid, believable explanation as to why Sakura started loving Sasuke in the first place!

 

What special qualities of Sasuke does she admire? Other than the superficial reasons, has Sakura ever said something good about Sasuke as a person in any of the 700 chapters? What led her to develop such a strong love for him? What is the reason for her to have kept loving Sasuke despite all the pain he gave her? 

 

Kishimoto and his band of equally clueless assistants are now trying to laugh off Naruto's feelings for Sakura as 'just a weak crush'. Here's another irony- Atleast you had given an explanation for Naruto's feelings, atleast it made sense. The same cannot be said about Sakura's 'love' for Sasuke, the one which you try to paint as 'true love'. 

 

What. a .Joke. 

 

You know, I'm starting to think that Kishi is a weak guy, and a really bad writer... he's not even a writer... he's not writing alone...

And I was always defending him... I can't believe it.
His manga makes no sense at all, and all he is saying don't make sense either...

The more I read, the more I understand how he wasn't really the master of this story, and how he was WEAK.

He wrote about Naruto, a strong guy that never gives up, and he broke it all. He let everyone influenced him...
He even didn't write it all, it's all from other people...

 

I really didn't picture him like that... I'm really disappointed and it's getting worse and worse...

[AzureWaters]

 @ Nefertieh: Wrong translation. TakL has it right: Kishi says that Sakura would look bad by switching to Naruto that late in the game since she loved Sasuke for most of the manga. I've heard Anti-NaruSaku say this before, so its something to see that Kishi has the same thought process. -___-

Edited by AzureWaters, 22 November 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[Nefertieh]

 @ Nefertieh: Wrong translation. TakL has it right: Kishi says that Sakura would look bad by switching to Naruto that late in the game since she loved Sasuke for most of the manga. I've heard Anti-NaruSaku say this before, so its something to see that Kishi has the same thought process. -___-

 

I know that was the wrong translation. I was explaining to Lilac why the person she was quoting specifically referred to Hinata as the reason for Sakura ending up with Sasuke.

 

I like how Sakura 'switching' from Sasuke mid-way through the manga is considered late in the game. But it's fine for Naruto to do that after the manga has ended!

Edited by Nefertieh, 22 November 2014 - 12:18 AM.

[Nar123]

 
I'm just pointing out that Sakura not ending up with Naruto had nothing to do with Hinata, but with her not seeming fickle. See, there's a common thing in manga/anime, it's basically loyalty+friendship is literally magic. For Sakura to give up on Sasuke, when she spent 693 chapters being seemingly in love with him, that wouldn't be seen as a good thing. When it comes to the genre, that is.  I don't understand why people are upset it's not realistic. This is a story about magical ninjas, where a man sexually harassing women is seen as charming and cute, where it's totally acceptable to train children how to murder people. Sexism has always existed in Naruto, too. I was kind of shocked people only realized it now? lol
 
I'll be honest, Kishimoto's statement doesn't surprise me. Manga/anime is not a great place to look for positive Western interpretations of women. Sasusaku is also a pretty popular trope there, actually. You'll find a lot of Shoujo stories where a cold/heartless person ends up warming up to the main lead, despite trying to assault/murder her.

This paralallel you made with the shojo stories doesn't work
In the shoujo stories, the guy usually has some feelings for the girl, and she actually plays a role in bringing the guy back from his dark place
Sakura didn't even played a role in bringing Sasuke back, it was all Naruto. And also there was zero indication he cared for sakura as more than a teammate,even in part 2 getting close to kill her or let her die 5 times

And yes, Sakura could have been seen as fickle after 693, but in early shippuden kishimoto already had shown signs he was considering sakura as a pair to naruto. Something changed his mind however and he kept playing the pairings until nh was ultimately decided

[Imhd]

U know I've been thinking about this for a while isn't the one who's been cruel and uncaring is hinata i mean even though she knows naruto snd sakura is close for along time and that naruto loves sakura (i mean who doesn't know from their friends) she comes and confesse her love for naruto and saying over and over that she wants to be by his side bushing away sakura who's already by his side its not like shes too stupid to not notice how close they are, but instead they make Sakura the terrible one for being with naruto ugh its just frustrating really.

[六道仙人]

 @ Nefertieh: Wrong translation. TakL has it right: Kishi says that Sakura would look bad by switching to Naruto that late in the game since she loved Sasuke for most of the manga. I've heard Anti-NaruSaku say this before, so its something to see that Kishi has the same thought process. -___-

 

i guess that it's just a his own opinion. Because Kishimoto didn't say anything about "late in the game" or whatever. Also because Kishimoto talked about "a time where he was hesitant to put either Sakura or Hinata as the endgame for Naruto". It wasn't late, it was just for him that a woman could have a change of heart would be horrible.

 

never mind, whathever you put it, kishi still sounds like ANS lol

Edited by 六道仙人, 22 November 2014 - 12:20 AM.

[rinali24]

I can't stomach the fact that the last Naruto movie is going to be all about our princess Hinata, a side character... all promotions, trailers, merchandise promote the hell out of Hinata.

 

I don't want to see Hinata ffs. I want to see Team 7. I want to see Sakura, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Sai, Yamato and the other Konoha 11. 

 

I DON'T WANT TO SEE A FULL MOVIE WITH HINATA NARUTO-KUNING HER WAY THROUGHOUT 110 MINUTES. 

 

[Nar123]

 
At least one of the translations of that interview mentioned Sakura was put with Sasuke because it would seem terrible for her to switch to Naruto because she knew Hinata loved him.
 
 
 
Except Kishimoto didn't decide to have Sakura paired with Sasuke at chapter 693, if we go by his words, it was more likely to be around the Kage Summit arc.
 
It's a double standard you have if you say Sakura cannot change her feelings towards Sasuke, then have Naruto do the exact same thing. People aren't upset about it being "unrealistic", we're upset about the fact that Kishimoto has tried to show Sakura was moving on (the love-letter nin giving her a wakeup call that Sasuke was not who she thought he was, the fake smile that the databook dedicated half a page to highlighting her distrust of Sasuke). Moreover, Sasuke is someone who spends the better part of their conversations belittling her or degrading her worth as a human, and that's not including the times he's tried to kill her or leave her for dead.
 
It's frighteningly realistic to see women end up in abusive relationships. But it's just bad storytelling if you've gone to the trouble to establish why their relationship is so terrible and unrequited, only to marry them off anyway.
 

Yeah, and if SS/NH was decided since the summit why put the MK/NS paralallel? Just for teasing and to lead on NS fans? What an kitten

Edited by Nar123, 22 November 2014 - 12:22 AM.