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[kirabook]

I think my mom is worse than Kushina. At least Kushina doesn't mind being touchy feely, but my mom is the super traditional tsundere. Aggressive and the caring is buried deep inside and only comes out rarely.

[sushi.]

Dad is a baka. Mum is a tsundere. Dad even goes into defense-mode, you know when you put up your arm to block an attack? Then she "hits" him, and they kiss. I run away, and my kid brother and my parents laugh. I live with the cheesiest couple I know of. It's a true story, I feel like it will be something like NS family life too, and that they will surpass mum and dad. XD

[Slextrem]

I just remembered another ninja with whiskers named Sasuke.

Sasuke-kun~ --Click here to view--

Edited by Slextrem, 19 March 2013 - 10:19 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to deal tsundere girl now. I love it, but ouch, it sure can be painful. Note for everyone, don't do anything wrong. Still, love it, but yeah. Ouch...I think my right arm still hurts.

[kirabook]

I don't consider myself a tsundere, but hitting people is just my thing. Childhood habits die hard. 8D

My mom may be a tsundere, but my dad... uh... I guess in a way he's like Sasuke. But more perverted.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's funny that I'm the Baka of the two. Actually, even if I don't sound like one, I kind of am. But ah well, that's me.

[redragon88]

I don't consider myself a tsundere, but hitting people is just my thing. Childhood habits die hard. 8D

My mom may be a tsundere, but my dad... uh... I guess in a way he's like Sasuke. But more perverted.

So not like Sasuke.

It's funny that I'm the Baka of the two. Actually, even if I don't sound like one, I kind of am. But ah well, that's me.

Shut up, baka.

Edited by redragon88, 19 March 2013 - 11:25 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Shut up, baka.

Hey now.

Only she can call me that. Lol. Just kidding. Yeah, I get that a lot.

[narulsaku]

i dont have such things in my life my mom and dad are loving, caring but very strict and my dad is the boss in my house. haha . they rarely fight.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I hate to say it but I'm on a losing streak on arguments. Yeah, I can't win...

[StriderC]

Quality is always superior to quantity, IMO. A balance is nice, but If something has the bigger quality even though its quantity is small I'd pick it over anything. And yes, FB was terrible writing in terms of development but if Kishi's desperate enough for ratings, I fear he may go that route.

I agree with you when it comes to quality over quantity but the thing is, NS has both quality and quantity when it comes to pairings. NH gets 5 chapters, and now people are downplaying NS. Sakura hasn't really been shown since she got back. Yes, I was just as pissed as anyone. Hell, I was very verbal about it here, but that doesn't mean things are gonna stay as they are. Sakura's going to get her moment. It's why she's shown last while running toward Naruto.

The thing is... With NS, there's mutual development for the most part while with NH, it's pretty much one sided, are completely left up in the air. Just recently, all of that stuff that just happened was pretty much one sided romantically, but it was mutual when it came to strengthening their bond. Nothing more. She was able to knock him out of his funk, yes, but what it took to that was just completely ridiculous. He had to kill off a character in a ridiculous fashion, push the heroine in the background to just sit and watch, etc. It was pretty much forced IMO. When you have to do things like this, it just shows how unnatural it is.

You're right though. This is definitely Kishi's story, but what's telling is how even now, after such a moment with Naruto and Hinata, things are still uncertain. You'd think that by now, we'd see some sort of shift in his feelings but nope, that's not the case at all. It's the same old stuff we've already seen over and over again. Her confession, their reunion, and the multiple encounters they've had during the war. All completely one sided romantically. We've never seen him think about her after all that in a romantic fashion. With Sakura and Naruto, it's a completely different story.

Naruto and Sakura have been built from the ground up. From the bench scene all the way till now. We've been shown that even after everything that's happened, Naruto still had feelings for Sakura in Part 2, even though he felt she still loved Sasuke. With Sakura, we're shown in databooks that she's unsure of what she feels for Naruto, but we're shown that her love for Sasuke is selfish... If Kishi were going to go that route, why would he even downplay that relationship at all?

The parallels, the development, the struggles, the smiles, laughs. Naruto and Sakura have endured it side by side. NH can NEVER touch that. She doesn't know him like Sakura does and she's not there like Sakura. I truly feel that NS is endgame. Wait until the story shifts back and watch as Hinata once again fades back into the background while the heroine gets her moments.

[Weltall]

CodusN : Where does this idea that Hinata and NaruHina is popular and gives more ratings comes from ? If you make a point at least give us some statistics especially since we are talking about something so petty as pairings and that the majority of the fandom couldn't give a crap about. So please can you provide some facts like statistics, ratings, because for now I only think you are a bit paranoid, no offense maybe you know something I don't, I'm an open minded person but I need facts and not just mere speculations.

As for the debate about quality over quantity, and that NH can become canon and acceptable because of that I really don't see it that way, if NH ever happens and I don't even give it a 0.0001% chance of happening it would go against the theme of the manga, the main character's persona and would be pretty much an asspull no matter how much Kishi is trying to sugarcoat it. Also I don't see how can 615 be considered quality when it was forced and at the expense of many other characters (protagonist included) just so that a background can get her shining moment, question of perspective I guess.
But I'm going to be honest no matter which pairing happens (and I have no doubt it will be NS) it will be forced, Kishi should have been straightforward since the beginning instead of trying to put a love quadrangle (not sure that's the right word) and resolve it only at the end, the way he trashed their relationship and made them avoid talking about the fake confession is bad writing and there's no excuse for that.

[StrikerTheNoble]

CodusN : Where does this idea that Hinata and NaruHina is popular and gives more ratings comes from ? If you make a point at least give us some statistics especially since we are talking about something so petty as pairings and that the majority of the fandom couldn't give a crap about. So please can you provide some facts like statistics, ratings, because for now I only think you are a bit paranoid, no offense maybe you know something I don't, I'm an open minded person but I need facts and not just mere speculations.

As for the debate about quality over quantity, and that NH can become canon and acceptable because of that I really don't see it that way, if NH ever happens and I don't even give it a 0.0001% chance of happening it would go against the theme of the manga, the main character's persona and would be pretty much an asspull no matter how much Kishi is trying to sugarcoat it. Also I don't see how can 615 be considered quality when it was forced and at the expense of many other characters (protagonist included) just so that a background can get her shining moment, question of perspective I guess.
But I'm going to be honest no matter which pairing happens (and I have no doubt it will be NS) it will be forced, Kishi should have been straightforward since the beginning instead of trying to put a love quadrangle (not sure that's the right word) and resolve it only at the end, the way he trashed their relationship and made them avoid talking about the fake confession is bad writing and there's no excuse for that.

Im going to have to dissagree on the entire bolded part. The story of Naruto is about overcoming obstacles. Becoming hokage, getting respected by the village and dating Sakura. Naruto is not suposed to have it easy. Sasuke is there as an obstacle when it comes to Sakura. So we formed a love triangle. But if Sakura loves Sasuke, Naruto loves Sakura then the question remains: Who loves Naruto? Thats why in my opinion Hinata was made. But then who loves Hinata? Nobody, shes a side character, basicly nobody is suposed to care. I honesly felt more emotion when i swa fodder ninjas dying then when she shows up.

The pairings themselves are not forced. Naruto has always loved Sakura and it was established in chapter 3. His goals then were: Hokage, Sakura. But love triangles were made to be destroyed. As Sakura started more and more noticing Naruto. By part 2 shes openly flirting with him. When Sasuke leaves Sakura gets a chance to know Naruto without Sasuke getting in the way. It gives them something to bond and a shared dream. They have become best friends. Heres the problem. Naruto is an idiot. He still has the Sakura loves Sasuke idea burned in his mind. He was battle scared with it. So doesnt even see when shes flirtng with him. Sometimes hes asleep when she does it, sometimes he physicly cant see it. Its also not exactly flirting most of the time its more like subtle affection.

No relationship is perfect. When Sakura confessed she made a choice. Either have Naruto be safe (safer at least, from himself) and hater her forever, or let him slowly destroy himself. The second choice would be better for Sasuke, but she chose option 1, Naruto was more important. Naruto started hyperventilating from the shock when Sai explain waht was about to happen he got his kitten together. Sakura is going up against Sasuke. He had to pull his stuff together and save her. He did that. Also when you go trought something as akward as the fake confesion you probably avoid talking about it too.

Naruto and Sakura are realistic. As realistic as pairs can go. The love story of friend --> best friend ---> life partner is always going to last longer than the Romeo and Juliet variant.

[Ex-psych75]

Weltall: Well Naruto and Sakura didn't really have time to talk about the fake confession after what happened in the Kage Summit. Not even on their way back to Konoha because the others were with them, it would have been quite awkward with them listening. After returning to Konoha, Naruto was immediately shipped away somewhere

And I don't think it would have been the appropriate time to talk about a confession in a middle of a war.

Sakura: Naruto, about the confession..

Naruto: WHAT? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? (beating up multiple zetzu clones)

Sakura: I said, about the confession..

Naruto: RASENGAN!!

Sakura: .......


Yea I think it will be talked about either at the end or the retreat of the war. Kishi had the right idea to delay the talk about the fake confession, it basically equals NS being canon. Revealing that too early will lose some readers.

[Codus N]

I agree with you when it comes to quality over quantity but the thing is, NS has both quality and quantity when it comes to pairings. NH gets 5 chapters, and now people are downplaying NS. Sakura hasn't really been shown since she got back. Yes, I was just as pissed as anyone. Hell, I was very verbal about it here, but that doesn't mean things are gonna stay as they are. Sakura's going to get her moment. It's why she's shown last while running toward Naruto.

The thing is... With NS, there's mutual development for the most part while with NH, it's pretty much one sided, are completely left up in the air. Just recently, all of that stuff that just happened was pretty much one sided romantically, but it was mutual when it came to strengthening their bond. Nothing more. She was able to knock him out of his funk, yes, but what it took to that was just completely ridiculous. He had to kill off a character in a ridiculous fashion, push the heroine in the background to just sit and watch, etc. It was pretty much forced IMO. When you have to do things like this, it just shows how unnatural it is.

You're right though. This is definitely Kishi's story, but what's telling is how even now, after such a moment with Naruto and Hinata, things are still uncertain. You'd think that by now, we'd see some sort of shift in his feelings but nope, that's not the case at all. It's the same old stuff we've already seen over and over again. Her confession, their reunion, and the multiple encounters they've had during the war. All completely one sided romantically. We've never seen him think about her after all that in a romantic fashion. With Sakura and Naruto, it's a completely different story.

Naruto and Sakura have been built from the ground up. From the bench scene all the way till now. We've been shown that even after everything that's happened, Naruto still had feelings for Sakura in Part 2, even though he felt she still loved Sasuke. With Sakura, we're shown in databooks that she's unsure of what she feels for Naruto, but we're shown that her love for Sasuke is selfish... If Kishi were going to go that route, why would he even downplay that relationship at all?

The parallels, the development, the struggles, the smiles, laughs. Naruto and Sakura have endured it side by side. NH can NEVER touch that. She doesn't know him like Sakura does and she's not there like Sakura. I truly feel that NS is endgame. Wait until the story shifts back and watch as Hinata once again fades back into the background while the heroine gets her moments.

Yeah, that's the thing. NS (up till now) was in the lead by a mile but NH suddenly turned on Nitro and now it seems they're only behind by a few inches. Now honestly, if Kishi keeps NH up starting from now and completely halts NS development to the end, I may accept it. Like kirabook said, I care more about the journey instead of the resolution. So if Kishi starts NH's journey from now on to the end, then that's fine. My only prerequisite for NH is the journey. So if Kishi wants me to support NH, then he'd better show their journey from now on.

If Kishi decides to scrap all NS developments in the past, then he'd better have a decent resolution. That's all I'm asking for. It'd take a miral to do that, but I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and let him surprise me.

[HauntedCake]

Yeah, that's the thing. NS (up till now) was in the lead by a mile but NH suddenly turned on Nitro and now it seems they're only behind by a few inches. Now honestly, if Kishi keeps NH up starting from now and completely halts NS development to the end, I may accept it. Like kirabook said, I care more about the journey instead of the resolution. So if Kishi starts NH's journey from now on to the end, then that's fine. My only prerequisite for NH is the journey. So if Kishi wants me to support NH, then he'd better show their journey from now on.

If Kishi decides to scrap all NS developments in the past, then he'd better have a decent resolution. That's all I'm asking for. It'd take a miral to do that, but I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and let him surprise me.

I really don't think there could be one without ruining years of development. If NH was meant to be surley he would of developed NH during part 2.

Edited by HauntedCake, 20 March 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[Dkey]

@Codus N : You say that NH gained a lot of ground in chapter 615 compared to NS. I don't see how but the status of this 2 pairings are in an odd ball here because Hinata gained some points while Sakura's confession and the way she dealt with Sasuke before this war make her lose some points. Now you say NH=NS in the development department and only Kishi choses which pair will win? Am i right?

Edited by Dkey, 20 March 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[Canadian_DJ]

I agree with you when it comes to quality over quantity but the thing is, NS has both quality and quantity when it comes to pairings. NH gets 5 chapters, and now people are downplaying NS. Sakura hasn't really been shown since she got back. Yes, I was just as pissed as anyone. Hell, I was very verbal about it here, but that doesn't mean things are gonna stay as they are. Sakura's going to get her moment. It's why she's shown last while running toward Naruto.

The thing is... With NS, there's mutual development for the most part while with NH, it's pretty much one sided, are completely left up in the air. Just recently, all of that stuff that just happened was pretty much one sided romantically, but it was mutual when it came to strengthening their bond. Nothing more. She was able to knock him out of his funk, yes, but what it took to that was just completely ridiculous. He had to kill off a character in a ridiculous fashion, push the heroine in the background to just sit and watch, etc. It was pretty much forced IMO. When you have to do things like this, it just shows how unnatural it is.

You're right though. This is definitely Kishi's story, but what's telling is how even now, after such a moment with Naruto and Hinata, things are still uncertain. You'd think that by now, we'd see some sort of shift in his feelings but nope, that's not the case at all. It's the same old stuff we've already seen over and over again. Her confession, their reunion, and the multiple encounters they've had during the war. All completely one sided romantically. We've never seen him think about her after all that in a romantic fashion. With Sakura and Naruto, it's a completely different story.

Naruto and Sakura have been built from the ground up. From the bench scene all the way till now. We've been shown that even after everything that's happened, Naruto still had feelings for Sakura in Part 2, even though he felt she still loved Sasuke. With Sakura, we're shown in databooks that she's unsure of what she feels for Naruto, but we're shown that her love for Sasuke is selfish... If Kishi were going to go that route, why would he even downplay that relationship at all?

The parallels, the development, the struggles, the smiles, laughs. Naruto and Sakura have endured it side by side. NH can NEVER touch that. She doesn't know him like Sakura does and she's not there like Sakura. I truly feel that NS is endgame. Wait until the story shifts back and watch as Hinata once again fades back into the background while the heroine gets her moments.

Man I really agree with you, oh and you too phenixelite, narusaku isn't just quality, but also quantity.

Look guys, if Codus N doesn't wanna agree, and for some reason still thinks that...NH has more...quality.. (which is BEYOND me..) then..we cant change that, just look at the manga, and kishi's latest movie, you've got your answer.
That is narusaku has quantity as well as quality.Period.

@weltall Nicely said! BUT im gonna have to agree with StrickerTheNoble on the part where he disagreed with you.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 20 March 2013 - 09:45 AM.

[Codus N]

@Dkey:
If I had to put it, I wouldn't precisely say NS=NH in the development department.

Think of it as a basketball game. NH is currently leading in the 3rd quarter when during the 1st-2nd they were seriously lagging behind. But even then it's not game over yet. The final whistle hasn't been blown yet and it ain't over till the fat lady sings. NS can still cause a huge upset/comeback in the final quarter. So really, right now it's do or die for both pairings. Whatever happens from here on, it's make or break it. And Kishi has the ball rolling where he wants it to go.

So I will acknowledge it is a NH moment no matter what you like to call it. But I'm not going to say they're canon either. But recent chapters, along with this stupid Sasuke arc isn't helping matters.

Also, I'm the type of person that likes to say it's never too late to do something. If Kishi wants NH, then he can build it from now and I wouldn't care if it's too late or not. The point is their journey. If their journey is satisfying enough for me and resolves Naruto's feelings for Sakura well, I'll accept it.


@Canadian DJ: you're misunderstanding things. Never have I said NH has more quality. What I said is that NH can make up for lack of quantity with quality if Kishi actually develops them from now on.

Edited by Codus N, 20 March 2013 - 09:51 AM.

[PhenixElite]

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@Canadian DJ: you're misunderstanding things. Never have I said NH has more quality. What I said is that NH can make up for lack of quantity with quality if Kishi actually develops them from now on.

For this you have to answer how a pairing without quantity but with quality (what it doesnt even have till now) can outshine a pairing with quality and quantity. Next thing would be, how to give quality to a pairing that lowers the quality of the story?