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[Anguyen92]

.I only ever brought up this entire arguement because that one person ignored Sakura's problems. I will defend Sakura's importance to the series, but I WILL NOT stand idly by as people talk about her like shes flawless. If you ignore the other side of arguments it makes your own weaker.

All right, that's fair enough, since most people, including me, does not really like it that people see Hinata as perfect as they come, etc. It would not be fair for them if we see it like that for Sakura. Obviously, Sakura has her flaws (having low self-esteem issues, at times, making rash decisions at moments of stress) which ties well to the main story in most parts and that her key to overcoming these flaws could help shape things up nicely for when the climax of the story comes (Naruto/Sasuke eventual fight, and the day Naruto finally gets to become Hokage).

Edited by Anguyen92, 12 June 2012 - 05:32 PM.

[kirabook]

Exactly my point. She is strong compared to a chunin, weak compared to the people who matter (sasuke naruto kage madara itachi ect ect)

Just because she does not have the same amount of power as Sasuke and Naruto does not make her weak. She can still hold her own in battle, even against the Akatsuki, she's just not unrealistically strong. Just because you aren't THAT strong does not immediately mean you're weak.

It just means you can't be graded on the same level. Elementary students aren't tested on the same level as college students. The elementary students aren't dumb, they just don't currently have the capabilities to handle that test level.

And again, Sakura can hold her own against a Kage. I'm positive. Even though she had help with Sasori, she still helped take him down, and that was a while ago. I doubt she's been sitting on her butt since then, so she could only have gotten stronger.


What you're saying is just like what Madara is saying to the other 5 Kage's right now. Just because they can't match all his OP jutsu's, then they are all weak. Do you agree with that?


Also, I do agree Sakura is not flawless, I already pointed out just a few of her problems. But I never and will never compare her power to Sasuke and Naruto. That's not her role in the story to be a powerhouse and I don't expect her to. Her role was to be able to handle herself in battle unlike before and she can. She may not win every battle, but she's not the girl standing there frozen and trembling when a fight happens anymore.

That said, I don't bash on any other characters who don't have a lot of power either. I just get highly disappointed or hate the decisions they make if I don't like them or think they're stupid.

As for that video, I highly disagreed that Hinata hasn't grown since part one. She was fighting along side Neji, she definitely has some power now. But just like with Sakura, Hinata has a power boundary she's not meant to cross. She's not meant to be anywhere near Pein's level, let alone Naruto and Sasuke's.

But based on what we have seen, I do believe Sakura is currently stronger than Hinata and will probably remain that way. I just feel as if there's meant to be a gap, always.

Edited by kirabook, 12 June 2012 - 05:36 PM.

[Branden]

Just because she does not have the same amount of power as Sasuke and Naruto does not make her weak. She can still hold her own in battle, even against the Akatsuki, she's just not unrealistically strong. Just because you aren't THAT strong does not immediately mean you're weak.

It just means you can't be graded on the same level. Elementary students aren't tested on the same level as college students. The elementary students aren't dumb, they just don't currently have the capabilities to handle that test level.

And again, Sakura can hold her own against a Kage. I'm positive. Even though she had help with Sasori, she still helped take him down, and that was a while ago. I doubt she's been sitting on her butt since then, so she could only have gotten stronger.


What you're saying is just like what Madara is saying to the other 5 Kage's right now. Just because they can't match all his OP jutsu's, then they are all weak. Do you agree with that?


Also, I do agree Sakura is not flawless, I already pointed out just a few of her problems. But I never and will never compare her power to Sasuke and Naruto. That's not her role in the story to be a powerhouse and I don't expect her to. Her role was to be able to handle herself in battle unlike before and she can. She may not win every battle, but she's not the girl standing there frozen and trembling when a fight happens anymore.

That said, I don't bash on any other characters who don't have a lot of power either. I just get highly disappointed or hate the decisions they make if I don't like them or think they're stupid.

As for that video, I highly disagreed that Hinata hasn't grown since part one. She was fighting along side Neji, she definitely has some power now. But just like with Sakura, Hinata has a power boundary she's not meant to cross. She's not meant to be anywhere near Pein's level, let alone Naruto and Sasuke's.

But based on what we have seen, I do believe Sakura is currently stronger than Hinata and will probably remain that way. I just feel as if there's meant to be a gap, always.

Sakura would have died against Sasori, Chiyo is the one who killed Sasori. And if you think she could hold her own against riakage who is stronger and faster then her then your gravely mistaken.

in a fight to the death against any of the kage Sakura would be defeated. on a global power level Sakura is weak, because there are those who are much stronger than her. Almost all ninja are weak, its the few that are strong that really matter right now.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

well the way Sakura was in part 1 would make anyone hate her, all she did back then was yell "Naruto! Sasuke! Naruto! Sasuke!" while everyone else suffered. She got a little better in shippuden but she's a medical ninja... . Yep, no awesome attacks, just super strength which everyone in the series, including a 1 and 1/2 foot tall frog has. I think that was just a lame exuse to prevent important people from dieing. If Sakura was like a badass genjutsu user then things would be more interesting.

So yes, there are many reasons to hate Sakura, and there are many reasons to love her.

The majority of it is that we should focus on the things we love about her character, instead of hating her. I'm with you there. There a tons of reasons to hate her, but what can we do. It's the authors way of portraying a character. I don't think you should blame the character for this. Sad thing, Kishia hasn't develope her skills since the beginning of PArt 2.

I cant believe you are actually arguing that Sakura is a powerful ninja. She is a doctor, a medic, watever you wana call it. She isnt even close to any of the kage, tsunade included. She cant match up to any of the akatsuki. You think she could take on Sasuke? Kabuto? The answer is no.

Sakura is strong if your comparing her to a chunin, but compared to any of the people that Sasuke, Naruto, or the Kage have fought, she is weak. She is also weak compared to Naruto, Sasuke, and the Kage. I don't even know how you people are arguing against me, your all just strictly wrong when it comes to this topic.

Although, I could see why people call this a troll. Quite frankly, if she were to hit either Sasuke or Naruto with a full powered Cherry Blossom Impact before either of them could active Susanoo and Biiju Mode in time. It's lights out. Just because she's not as fast as Naruto and Sasuke doesn't mean she's a weak character the way you're implying. Tsunade isn't the fast among the five Kage, and she can put a heck of a fight against Madara. Why can't Sakura... hmm?

[Don-kun]

This isn't a fandom thread, it's a debate thread. I say something that you disagree with. Aparently that makes me a troll. How about you stop being ignorant and confront the issue instead of labeling it troll and moving on. That is the worst posible way to deal with a problem. If I were trolling you all I wouldn't have spent the time to explain myself and I would have just been insulting you.



Exactly my point. She is strong compared to a chunin, weak compared to the people who matter (sasuke naruto kage madara itachi ect ect)




I never said they didn't have a purpose, but would you rather have watched Sakura heal people for 5 chapters then watch Naruto fight Nagato? Think about that before you post.




Again displaying the worst side of debaters. I never said I hated Sakura. All I said was that she is weak, and medical ninjutsu bores me.

The worse thing us users can do in a forum is keep feeding a troll. The NaruSaku fan club from Naruto forum users will completely ignore any troll and moderators, (Kages here) will delete the post.

If you love a pairing you love it, you do acknowledge the flaws of the character without being blind about the character you like is good, but focusing all your posts in bashing one of the two characters people in a forum love, is nothing but a troll. Trolls should always be ignore and they will go away.

You're nothing but a Troll, most people here acknowledge Naruto and Sakura's flaws some wish she could learn the famous Genjutsu Kakashi talk about and acknowledge a little more the things Naruto has done for her.
I'm very sure that if we speak about pressing a character that has zero relevance to the plot but is treated like the best character of the series, them you know where to go and that is not the NaruSaku FC. or the Naruto and Sakura character FC.
Again you are nothing but a troll, everyone knows Sakura has flaws, the thing is that we don't stress and them, but try to focus more on her positive side.



When discussions like this one are started, the thread normally gets close. Let change the subject and focus more and the things we like about NarutoSaku and what's the possibilities of the pairing becoming canon against NH and SS.

Edited by donjoseph19, 12 June 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I know, i'm really getting sick of it. And I wasn't trying to bash Hinata, I was just saying facts from what I know from databook 3 which I own. I was the one that posted the video about the page with Hinata being made fun of in the databook. I am really getting sick of trolls, especially with that rant I saw last night on Youtube of that chapter reviewer bashing Sakura.

My recommendation to you don't go to YT to watch rant videos it's a war zone in Naruto pairings debate.

Edited by Gravenimage, 12 June 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Branden]

The majority of it is that we should focus on the things we love about her character, instead of hating her. I'm with you there. There a tons of reasons to hate her, but what can we do. It's the authors way of portraying a character. I don't think you should blame the character for this. Sad thing, Kishia hasn't develope her skills since the beginning of PArt 2.




Although, I could see why people call this a troll. Quite frankly, if she were to hit either Sasuke or Naruto with a full powered Cherry Blossom Impact before either of them could active Susanoo and Biiju Mode in time. It's lights out. Just because she's not as fast as Naruto and Sasuke doesn't mean she's a weak character the way you're implying. Tsunade isn't the fast among the five Kage, and she can put a heck of a fight against Madara. Why can't Sakura... hmm?

Yes but who wouldn't be taken out by standing idly by as somebody uses there strongest attack against you. There's a reason why everybody dodges Rasenshuriken like there live depends on it. If somebody just sat down and let somebody use there strongest attack against them, then it wouldn't be a fight, it would be assisted suicide.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Yes but who wouldn't be taken out by standing idly by as somebody uses there strongest attack against you. There's a reason why everybody dodges Rasenshuriken like there live depends on it. If somebody just sat down and let somebody use there strongest attack against them, then it wouldn't be a fight, it would be assisted suicide.

One could underestimate her abilities to land a punch. She did had help from the lady, while she fought Sasori. But nevertheless, she'd got the job done by herself in the end. Sasori was no push over just like Madara. That is why it takes five kages to fight his ultimate Susanoo.

And she'd pulverized the centipede in one blow. Surelly it wasn't standing around, waiting to be hit.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 12 June 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[Branden]

One could underestimate her abilities to land a punch. She did had help from the lady, while she fought Sasori. But nevertheless, she'd got the job done by herself in the end. Sasori was no push over just like Madara. That is why it takes five kages to fight his ultimate Susanoo.

And she'd pulverized the centipede in one blow. Surelly it wasn't standing around, waiting to be hit.

your saying Sakura can only win fights when she's underestimated. your also saying that all Chiyo did was help, implying that Sakura was the more important in that fight, which she clearly was not. Sakura helped Chiyo, and Chiyo was the only reason why they stood a chance in that fight. Perhaps you would like to reword your comment.

[tricksie]

You'd have to ask Smiter, but technically speaking we have more authority. I know I can see people who mark themselves as invisible and I don't think Mods can.

You know how he sees 'em? He stares at his monitor and shouts "Byakugan!"

[kirabook]

People keep saying "This is so going to get closed down!"

Just calm down and talk like a normal person and don't get upset from it. It's really not that hard to just have a normal, calm, non-aggressive debate. :/

What some ninja lack in actual physical strength they made up with in strategy or other more mind tasking methods to win a battle. Best example of that would be Shikamaru. Then there's the complete opposite of that, all physical power and no special power at all, Rock Lee.

Sakura does have strength. No, she can't stay still and use it, she has to tactfully maneuver and get her opponent when they least expect it or when they can't move fast enough/dodge.

Honestly, if you took away all of Naruto's powerful jutsu and reduced his chakra to a normal ninja, I don't think he could handle Sakura all that well. That is a hypothetical situation of course.

Edited by kirabook, 12 June 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[TerrorKing]

This isn't a fandom thread, it's a debate thread. I say something that you disagree with. Aparently that makes me a troll. How about you stop being ignorant and confront the issue instead of labeling it troll and moving on. That is the worst posible way to deal with a problem. If I were trolling you all I wouldn't have spent the time to explain myself and I would have just been insulting you.



Exactly my point. She is strong compared to a chunin, weak compared to the people who matter (sasuke naruto kage madara itachi ect ect)




I never said they didn't have a purpose, but would you rather have watched Sakura heal people for 5 chapters then watch Naruto fight Nagato? Think about that before you post.




Again displaying the worst side of debaters. I never said I hated Sakura. All I said was that she is weak, and medical ninjutsu bores me.

I would much rather watch Sakura be an awesome doctor than watch Naruto rasengan everything to death or have Sasuke, Itachi and Madara use another OP jutus pulled straight out of Kishi's ass.

No one here is claiming that Sakura is the strongest character ever, nor do anyone claim that she's a perfect little angel who can do no wrong. We all acknowledge that Sakura has flaws, both in terms of power and in terms of persoanlity. We just choose to accept those flaws and instead talk about how she might improve, instead of dwelling on them.

Edited by TerrorKing, 12 June 2012 - 06:55 PM.

[Branden]

I would much rather watch Sakura be an awesome doctor than watch Naruto rasengan everything to death or have Sasuke, Itachi and Madara use another OP jutus pulled straight out of Kishi's ass.

No one here is claiming that Sakura is the strongest character ever, nor do anyone claim that she's a perfect little angel who can do no wrong. We all acknowledge that Sakura has flaws, both in terms of power and in terms of persoanlity. We just choose to accept those flaws and instead talk about how she might improve, instead of dwelling on them.

You act like you can speak for everyone, but you do not now, nor will you ever have the authority to do that.

[Nate River]

You know how he sees 'em? He stares at his monitor and shouts "Byakugan!"

I kept thinking Sixth Sense...I see invisible people (including fellow admins who do that).

I'm very sure that if we speak about pressing a character that has zero relevance to the plot but is treated like the best character of the series, them you know where to go and that is not the NaruSaku FC. or the Naruto and Sakura character FC.
Again you are nothing but a troll, everyone knows Sakura has flaws, the thing is that we don't stress and them, but try to focus more on her positive side.

Ohhhh, no. We are not going down this road again.

People of all fandoms are welcome here if they follow the rules.

I never said they didn't have a purpose, but would you rather have watched Sakura heal people for 5 chapters then watch Naruto fight Nagato? Think about that before you post.

You know, given how unhappy I was with how that fight turned out (screw Gedo Mazo), I think I'd rather watch Sakura read medical textbooks, at a desk, without moving, for five chapters.

[kirabook]

Yes, I wouldn't mind seeing Sakura work her healing magic or training. We never see her do much save way back when. I wouldn't mind seeing more.

[Branden]

You know, given how unhappy I was about how that fight turned out (screw Gedo Mazo), I think I'd rather watch Sakura read medical textbooks, at a desk, without moving, for five chapters.

Yes, I wouldn't mind seeing Sakura work her healing magic or training. We never see her do much save way back when. I wouldn't mind seeing more.

Well I think your both insane. The fight against the 6 paths of pain was a battle for the ages. Seeing Naruto poof in with his army of frogs, seeing Rasenshuriken's full potential, some badass frog fighting techniques, not to mention how terrifying and cruel Nagato was. Even after that entire fight Naruto still didn't give up on Nagato, that was one of my favorite arks and I wouldn't change any bit of it.

[Don-kun]

@Nate River
No I didn't say or imply that he wasn't welcome here, I was trying to tell him that NaruSaku, Sakura and Naruto FC. doesn't ignore Sakura or Naruto's flaws we learn to live with them, but if he wants to argue with fan that ignore the character flaws and praise them on top of it then the Fanclub I mention are not the place where he will see that.

I would much rather watch Sakura be an awesome doctor than watch Naruto rasengan everything to death or have Sasuke, Itachi and Madara use another OP jutus pulled straight out of Kishi's ass.

No one here is claiming that Sakura is the strongest character ever, nor do anyone claim that she's a perfect little angel who can do no wrong. We all acknowledge that Sakura has flaws, both in terms of power and in terms of persoanlity. We just choose to accept those flaws and instead talk about how she might improve, instead of dwelling on them.

Finaly someone that speaks the truth.

you still don't understand, i wasn't bashing hinata. all i was saying is in the databook, sakura doesn't have the weakest stats in the konoha 11, hinata does. i wasn't bashing, i was stating facts. i was saying i hate bashing. and i would know all about the databook, i own a copy and was the one that made the video about kishimoto making fun of hinata in it. please quit accusing me of bashing and leave me alone about it now. i don't appreciate coming back home from work to end up being accused of bashing.

If you are Lordofice72 then I'm sorry, because that post wasn't aimed at you it was aimed at Lordofice72 and the user post that was above mine.

Edited by donjoseph19, 12 June 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[TerrorKing]

You act like you can speak for everyone, but you do not now, nor will you ever have the authority to do that.

No I don't. I made a conclusion based on observation. I haven't seen anyone here who has claimed that Sakura was anywhere near Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi or Madara's level.

[Nate River]

Well I think your both insane. The fight against the 6 paths of pain was a battle for the ages. Seeing Naruto poof in with his army of frogs, seeing Rasenshuriken's full potential, some badass frog fighting techniques, not to mention how terrifying and cruel Nagato was. Even after that entire fight Naruto still didn't give up on Nagato, that was one of my favorite arks and I wouldn't change any bit of it.

I could have done without the massive reset button and the complete bypassing of the issues that were presented by Naruto refusing to kill Nagato.

Kishimoto solved that problem by having him die anyway and rather than have Naruto justify to the victims of Nagato's assault why Nagato should be allowed to live, Kishimoto instantly legitimized the whole thing by reviving everyone he killed.

Would rather watch Konohamaru pick his nose than see that happen again.

EDIT: I didn't think his reasoning to Nagato was all that convincing either.

[Branden]

No I don't. I made a conclusion based on observation. I haven't seen anyone here who has claimed that Sakura was anywhere near Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi or Madara's level.

Then don't use words that describe everyone on here so easily, unless your message is to everyone on here. More importantly, DO NOT speak for them. Everyone here has there own opinion.