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[redragon88]

Did Kishi once said that he had the ending in place since a long time ago and that he wasn't planning to change his mind about it not matter what?

I would assume that who Naruto ends up and starts a family with isn't something that Kishi would change on a whim as it pertains to the conclusion of the story.

[Inferno180]

As far as the manga is, I can see the total story ending around 750-800 chapters.

There is enough time this far out to get everything resolved. Its already well known that Naruto and Sasuke will have their fight either later this year or next year.

As for the NaruHina thing, if kishi really does cave for the ratings, thats just the low point of authors and artists these days, they ust shift the plot and turn it over into fanservice, thereby this destorys creativity and does ruin the story.

I mean anyone who watched Avatar the Last airbender a few years back, I didn't ship anything in that series but even I knew of the rabid Zutuara fans, it was really big and the creators even toyed with the idea of it happening back in season 2, but it did not and Aangtara happened. Basically it was better the latter happened otherwise we would never have gotten a logical way for the series to continue (or have an awesome character like Tenzin though he is abused by the antics of others).

Even then, many people who are non-pairing fans, Sakura fans, NS fans, or those who just have NS or Sakura herself lower on their favorites list (basically any rational fans) have been telling me that RtN was the most emotional Naruto movie they have seen, many have said the same exact basic thing summed up like this, "It really shows off Naruto's parental bonds he truely always has and his friendship with Sakura is much more than simple friendship."

If many are saying this, I would find it incrediblely sad that Kishi did this much relationship development in one movie with Naruto and Sakura but just ax all the interaction he did with them in the manga over the years. If NaruHina happens, not only does the story end up needing an overhaul, he proved a better relationship in one movie between Naruto and Sakura rather than a rushed crammed one like NaruHina.

Even then I would still be perplexed on how out of the characters who had someone they loved, only Hinata gets what she wants merely because she hoped. Sakura's for Sasuke is worthless but Sakura's relationship with Naruto if you ask me even as mere friendship is more solid then Hinata's love for Naruto. Ending with just Naruto and Sakura being friends and no NaruHina is a better ending than NaruHina.

Just again, it would really make Naruto look bad on the history books if NaruHina went down, it would literally have been fanservice, and all the fans would basically describe it as 600+ chapters of bad and mostly terrible plots with only 2 real good moments until it suddenly gets good at chp 615.

Are these fans absolutely insane? Anything with Sakura, they claim as bad writing. Hinata just standing there in the background going Naruto-kun, they act like celeberites are coming.

But yeah I hope Road to Ninja is the appizier, because it kinda fits as making up for all the lack of Naruto and Sakura having screentime during the war. Only real interaction they could have is by the recent chikara arc (even then Sakura still showed the usual concerned emotions for naruto even with it being a filler).

So yeah it still remains, NH still basically needs a lot of whiteout and glue to fix whatever damages it causes to the story in order to make it canon. NaruSaku has the right materials and does no harm, there is very good reason for Sakura to go over to Naruto soon (idealistic crush on Sasuke) and many for Naruto to still love Sakura (story plots, never giving up, logic of how he could interact with characters who did much worse).

Actually here is a good question, does it make a very big impact that Naruto is still calling Sakura "Sakura-chan?" Regardless if he loves Sakura still or not? I mean he is still just calling Hinata, Hinata.

I know chan desingates someone as who the speaker thinks is close (usually male saying to a female they feel is close just like how kun is for a female saying it to a male they feel close too). Someone explain this more

[Codus N]

Did Kishi once said that he had the ending in place since a long time ago and that he wasn't planning to change his mind about it not matter what?

I would assume that who Naruto ends up and starts a family with isn't something that Kishi would change on a whim as it pertains to the conclusion of the story.

Yes, he said that he has the rough ending in mind. But he also noted that sometimes he changes things along the way. Whether or not NS is the ending, is debatable. But one thing for sure is that, from what I can understand of what he says, he has determined the final outcome of the NvS battle and whether Sasuke lives or not and if he is redeemed whatsoever. Oh, and how he defeats the Juubi as well, I suppose.

As far as the manga is, I can see the total story ending around 750-800 chapters.

There is enough time this far out to get everything resolved. Its already well known that Naruto and Sasuke will have their fight either later this year or next year.

As for the NaruHina thing, if kishi really does cave for the ratings, thats just the low point of authors and artists these days, they ust shift the plot and turn it over into fanservice, thereby this destorys creativity and does ruin the story.

I mean anyone who watched Avatar the Last airbender a few years back, I didn't ship anything in that series but even I knew of the rabid Zutuara fans, it was really big and the creators even toyed with the idea of it happening back in season 2, but it did not and Aangtara happened. Basically it was better the latter happened otherwise we would never have gotten a logical way for the series to continue (or have an awesome character like Tenzin though he is abused by the antics of others).

Even then, many people who are non-pairing fans, Sakura fans, NS fans, or those who just have NS or Sakura herself lower on their favorites list (basically any rational fans) have been telling me that RtN was the most emotional Naruto movie they have seen, many have said the same exact basic thing summed up like this, "It really shows off Naruto's parental bonds he truely always has and his friendship with Sakura is much more than simple friendship."

If many are saying this, I would find it incrediblely sad that Kishi did this much relationship development in one movie with Naruto and Sakura but just ax all the interaction he did with them in the manga over the years. If NaruHina happens, not only does the story end up needing an overhaul, he proved a better relationship in one movie between Naruto and Sakura rather than a rushed crammed one like NaruHina.

Even then I would still be perplexed on how out of the characters who had someone they loved, only Hinata gets what she wants merely because she hoped. Sakura's for Sasuke is worthless but Sakura's relationship with Naruto if you ask me even as mere friendship is more solid then Hinata's love for Naruto. Ending with just Naruto and Sakura being friends and no NaruHina is a better ending than NaruHina.

Just again, it would really make Naruto look bad on the history books if NaruHina went down, it would literally have been fanservice, and all the fans would basically describe it as 600+ chapters of bad and mostly terrible plots with only 2 real good moments until it suddenly gets good at chp 615.

Are these fans absolutely insane? Anything with Sakura, they claim as bad writing. Hinata just standing there in the background going Naruto-kun, they act like celeberites are coming.

But yeah I hope Road to Ninja is the appizier, because it kinda fits as making up for all the lack of Naruto and Sakura having screentime during the war. Only real interaction they could have is by the recent chikara arc (even then Sakura still showed the usual concerned emotions for naruto even with it being a filler).

So yeah it still remains, NH still basically needs a lot of whiteout and glue to fix whatever damages it causes to the story in order to make it canon. NaruSaku has the right materials and does no harm, there is very good reason for Sakura to go over to Naruto soon (idealistic crush on Sasuke) and many for Naruto to still love Sakura (story plots, never giving up, logic of how he could interact with characters who did much worse).

Actually here is a good question, does it make a very big impact that Naruto is still calling Sakura "Sakura-chan?" Regardless if he loves Sakura still or not? I mean he is still just calling Hinata, Hinata.

I know chan desingates someone as who the speaker thinks is close (usually male saying to a female they feel is close just like how kun is for a female saying it to a male they feel close too). Someone explain this more

Bolded: pretty much this. I pray for the love of god, that doesn't happen. As for the rest, I agree with you. My bottom point is that, if NH happens, then fine. As long as Kishi can explain why it had to happen. I'm keeping my possibilities open, that's all.

Good question about that. Some say the -chan suffix is more affectionate, but if you use without suffixes, it implies you have a very close bond.

[Tsubaki]

As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), not use suffixes can mean that you are near of that person, not much to Naruto since he tends to call everyone by their first names and without the use of suffixes.

meanings of the suffixes:

- Kun:

"The suffix "-kun" is a sign of friendship and camaraderie. It is commonly used among young men, but do not think that is strange if, on occasion, is used for girls.
The intention is to establish a degree of proximity "without being too close." Hence "-kun" is often used in male relations."

- Chan:

"The suffix "-chan" has a meaning of "Wanted", "cuddly", "kind" or even "fragile." So it's widely used with children and girls.
"-chan" can also be used when there is a loving relationship between two people (ex: between husband and wife)."



Naruto calls Sakura "Sakura-chan" doesn't mean that he doesn't close to her .. on the contrary ..It's his caring way to call her.

Edited by Tsubaki, 19 March 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

God save the kids

[kirabook]

You know Codus,

Fruit Basket --Click here to view--

I recently reread FB (and I read it way back when) and I actually thought very clearly in the beginning that Kyo and Tohru would end up together. To me, Kyo seemed to start liking Tohru as a girl, but Yuki... I don't know. His relationship with her didn't feel the same. There were some moments that seemed more brotherly compared to romantically (For example, when Tohru was putting the younger kids to sleep and putting the blanket over them. It seemed more like he wanted to join in with the kids and be cuddled more than anything else.

Just my thoughts on that situation. Then again, while reading FB, I amazingly didn't care that much about pairings. Hahah. I just wanted to see how she'd break the curse. My favorite chapter would have to be when she falls off the cliff and whatnot, but yeah.

Now then, about NH over NS stuff, I think for the most part I'm in agreement with Codus, but I still think quantity matters a little more than quality.

If Naruto and Hinata have only had 1 normalish conversation in a normalish setting, but they have 2 moments where Hinata nearly kills herself trying to save them, do we expect that they'll magically end up married when things return to normal? If you want to ruin the manga, sure. I just can't support NH, it doesn't have any support at all. The whole foundation is shakily standing up on 2 thin wooden legs. If Kishi spends another 600 chapters giving Hinata the attention he gave Sakura (up until recently), then hey, maybe NH is in the realm of possibility.

But right now, NS has the quantity and (up until recently) the quality as well. Kishi screwed up the confession obviously. I'm not sure how or if he's going to resolve it (it seems like he wanted to, maybe he tried to through the movie?) but he needs to do it fast. Not very much time has passed in the Naruverse (3 days of war, that's it) but to the readers it has. I posted this somewhere else, but I really do think it was a terrible idea to put this flashback and Sasuke arc smack dab in the middle of the war. Sure, Sasuke's stuff could have been happening concurrently, but Kishi should have kept what Sasuke was doing ambiguous and gave us a summary through Sasuke's own words later.

But as not to get off on a tangent, I care about the development, not just the resolution. I do believe NS is going to be canon. I haven't a doubt in my mind that it will be. But I'm just so concerned that Kishi is going to ruin the journey. He already is a little bit. I don't want them to be canon just because. Yes, I realize that all clues point to NS being canon in the end, but that doesn't mean that the development in the middle doesn't matter. The stuffing between not canon and canon matters more than anything.

The whole Hinata situation does not prevent NS from becoming canon, but it sure did sour the stuffing inbetween. Kishi just can't keep doing that. Not so late in the game. He wants NS to be canon, make it believable. You can't make other 'pairing' moments too high, not because the true pairing won't become canon, but because the journey there gets all wonky and unrealistic!

[Inferno180]

As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), not use suffixes can mean that you are near of that person, not much to Naruto since he tends to call everyone by their first names and without the use of suffixes.

meanings of the suffixes:

- Kun:

"The suffix "-kun" is a sign of friendship and camaraderie. It is commonly used among young men, but do not think that is strange if, on occasion, is used for girls.
The intention is to establish a degree of proximity "without being too close." Hence "-kun" is often used in male relations."

- Chan:

[i]"The suffix "-chan" has a meaning of "Wanted", "cuddly", "kind" or even "fragile." So it's widely used with children and girls.
"-chan" can also be used when there is a loving relationship between two people (ex: between husband and wife)."
[/i]


Naruto calls Sakura "Sakura-chan" doesn't mean that he doesn't close to her .. on the contrary ..It's his caring way to call her.

Still, enough to see he has some more thought for Sakura than Hinata.

As for that this statement I said: As for the NaruHina thing, if kishi really does cave for the ratings, thats just the low point of authors and artists these days, they ust shift the plot and turn it over into fanservice, thereby this destorys creativity and does ruin the story.

This is how I feel many things went I mean look at Marvel and DC comics, I have more respect for marvel but even I am fed up with the 1 million revivals they did in their multiple universes again, and again, and again. Its bothersome and downplayed, and outright weak. Anytime superman (worst hero ever, overpowered SOB), 'dies' its nope he is still alive he was in a comba or just lost some of his max power, I am outright sick of this. This is why I'm okay with batman always winning, he has everything stacked against him, but he wins, (he a mere mortal went against Darkseid, a god, shot him and won, cause hes the god dammed batman ) The only character in any universe for marvel I can honestly think is dead for good is the ultimate universe wolverine. Nothing of him is left save dust and there is no way to revive him. For anyone aware of the spiderman fiasco last year with superior spider-man, they ended it on a very cheap way making doc-ock suddenly a hero feeling all mushy and good. Then just to throw another saving grace, Peter is actually alive, he did not die in ocks body, that last memory transfer was enough to make a one way switch back so he is alive in his own body with Ock but as a subconcious. Again even I like peter and am happy for him to live but doc suddenly becoming good is just so weak.

This is why I hope kishi just stays on gear and does what he wants, not fans or pressure from the JUMP, VIZ, or any other staff. God bless Oda and how he can make so many characters and not have any solid pairings, yeah even with Sanji being all love savvy to the girls in the series, there is still nothing pairing orietned. Thats a reason I take one piece over Naruto at times.

I rather enjoy those stories which bring up things we would never antipacte and still keep logic and consitancy. I mean just last year Halo 4 had the balls to kill off cortana. It was a bold move considering there are still 2 more games for the reclaimer trilogy.

If I can say anything, to NaruHina fans, its this, where does Hinata fit into the situation when it comes to Sasuke? Sakura at least has a major reason for Naruto and Sasuke when it comes to them, and much of her development is attributed to the actions between them (tried to keep them from harming each other, loves Sasuke for idealistic reasons but still cares alot about Naruto and his own wellbeing, tries to help Naruto when it comes to this, tried to stop Sasuke herself for Naruto's sake (not the best of plans but still she had Naruto's intentions at heart and he is still sticking to that promise he made her, basically Naruto's own experience for wanting revenge was added to his "Why I must get Sasuke back" pool. Its in there along with the promise, curse of hatered, becoming hokage, confessing to Sakura, entrustment of his parents, etc.

Hinata and Sasuke never even had dialouge to each other and only existed in the same rooms at times (during the chunin exams) all I can picture with Naruto and Sasuke with Hinata standing there with Naruto rather than Sakura, I can see Sasuke just suddenly going 'Who the kitten are you?' I don't remember you all that well, I remember Sakura at least and Kakashi but who the hell are you? Wern't you a Hyuga or something?

Really, where is the point of having them in the same space at this time? Hinata never even saw the two fight, its not as impacting on her, the fighting between Naruto and Sasuke has a major toll on Sakura, she is concerned for both. Its like NaruHina fans expect Hinata to somehow understand the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke when she knows nothing, THE TWO NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT EACH OTHER.

Naruto has a better relationship with Kurama if you ask me, I mean they fought a lot, hated each other. Kurama only took advantage or helped when it was in his favor until Naruto bested him and they showed each other a better side in the later part of the war. Technically Kurama knows Naruto best and all the pains because well, he caused the hatered from the villagers but not the full conqsuences like Obito. Team 7, Iruka, Minato, Kushina, and Jiraiya are probably the closest to Naruto's heart, but Kurama is literally INSIDE HIM. That counts for its own special something. Nothing love orietned just its funny how Kurama is literally the internal friend and he has a better relation with Naruto than Hinata even.

[Codus N]

@Kira: We may have to agree to disagree in Quality vs Quantity.

I still stand by my position that Quality>Quantity. If Kishi develops NH the next 100 chapters to the end and make it impactful to the plot, then I'll support it. But this also means he would have to completely stop NS development. He could probably just say NS is more like a friendship bond, NH is a romantic bond just to screw us over.

But as not to get off on a tangent, I care about the development, not just the resolution. I do believe NS is going to be canon. I haven't a doubt in my mind that it will be. But I'm just so concerned that Kishi is going to ruin the journey. He already is a little bit. I don't want them to be canon just because. Yes, I realize that all clues point to NS being canon in the end, but that doesn't mean that the development in the middle doesn't matter. The stuffing between not canon and canon matters more than anything.

The whole Hinata situation does not prevent NS from becoming canon, but it sure did sour the stuffing inbetween. Kishi just can't keep doing that. Not so late in the game. He wants NS to be canon, make it believable. You can't make other 'pairing' moments too high, not because the true pairing won't become canon, but because the journey there gets all wonky and unrealistic!

QFT.

Edited by Codus N, 19 March 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[PhenixElite]

@Kira: We may have to agree to disagree in Quality vs Quantity.

I still stand by my position that Quality>Quantity. If Kishi develops NH the next 100 chapters to the end and make it impactful to the plot, then I'll support it. But this also means he would have to completely stop NS development. He could probably just say NS is more like a friendship bond, NH is a romantic bond just to screw us over.

QFT.

If it was like that he already would have said it in the interview about sakuras love, but he didnt. Also he wouldnt make a movie focusing on MK parallel and NS.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, the interview was the great opportunity to make NS as a friendzoned bond, but again, he continues the love triangle subplot. If that's case, it's obvious that we are not over. That said NS is still alive. People needs to stop interpreting things that has no evidence. I understand we can guess and all, but at least have evidences and so far, not one good solid one.

[Codus N]

If it was like that he already would have said it in the interview about sakuras love, but he didnt. Also he wouldnt make a movie focusing on MK parallel and NS.

Well Kishi is being quite the troll as of lately. I could actually see him doing something like that in the manga if he intends on NH becoming canon.

[soraandven]

you guys are still worried about sakura huh just relax she will get development when the time is right

[TouKen4Life3g]

you guys are still worried about sakura huh just relax she will get development when the time is right

Agreed. But nothing we can do about it. Just let them express their fear and perhaps, they can stop worrying so much. That said I have recap the battle and really, nothing is screaming, "I have betrayed my own work!" I always saw it as friends are connected and as you will die for them, they will die for you. I don't see what's wrong with that. Friends aspect never got tackled on until now. Like I said, I will wait until the end of the battle to make a final judgment.

[PhenixElite]

Well Kishi is being quite the troll as of lately. I could actually see him doing something like that in the manga if he intends on NH becoming canon.

I dont see him as a troll, he already said that he will give characters their shining moments. Hinata already got her and im happy that she got hers before sakura since it means sakura still has her moment incoming.

We should be happy that kishi managed to show hinatas words from chapter 573 without naruto showing romantic feelings towards her nor special follow up. if you ask me, hinata is pretty much finished by now and we are getting to the main characters now.It started with sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont see him as a troll, he already said that he will give characters their shining moments. Hinata already got her and im happy that she got hers before sakura since it means sakura still has her moment incoming.

We should be happy that kishi managed to show hinatas words from chapter 573 without naruto showing romantic feelings towards her nor special follow up. if you ask me, hinata is pretty much finished by now and we are getting to the main characters now.It started with sasuke.

Here, here. The trump card has been used and now, a sneak attack can ruin it.

[PhenixElite]

Here, here. The trump card has been used and now, a sneak attack can ruin it.

Thats why sakura isnt seen the lastest chapters, shes preparing a sneak attack!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thats why sakura isnt seen the lastest chapters, shes preparing a sneak attack!!

Go figure.

It's like some yu-gi-oh game. A player has a magic card (chapter 615) to erase all monsters (NS developments) in the field. However, the opposing player has a face down card in the magic/trap field. Could it be a counter trap card (new NS moment)? We have to wait and see.

[HauntedCake]

Ultimatly, kishi is going to have to stop NH or NS development. NS has had years of development so kishi could feel like there's only one place left for their relationship to go which would be from best friends to lovers. Whilst NH i feel is extremely forced as of late and i would probably contribute that to the editors/ JUMP and the number of NH fans.

NH is always forced and one sided, NS is natural and becoming mutual.

You decide

[kirabook]

I just realized something. My mom is a total tsundere. Maybe this is why I don't mind Sakura and possibly could be why I don't like Hinata. I wouldn't want a mom like Hinata at all.

[Branden]

I just realized something. My mom is a total tsundere. Maybe this is why I don't mind Sakura and possibly could be why I don't like Hinata. I wouldn't want a mom like Hinata at all.

A tsundere mother is a scary thing indeed...