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[TouKen4Life3g]

Wishful thinking but not farfetched, it could be possible for Minato to tell Sakura to take care of him and always be on his side. It is also possible that she can see her as Kushina because of her personality and perhaps can tell Naruto sees her very special.

[Dkey]

Do we really have to assume that Minato will comment something about their relation. He will be either focused on Obito or his son. And probably Sakura will be again sidelined. I don't really see Sakura joining the fray in any way, only have a free ticket to the fight.

I agree she was sidelined enough and on a personal level since Sasori she didn't get any wins so we should see her get some win. I mean even Chouji got some development and seems to have more resolve than her.

Though in a way her involvement in the Kage summit and subsequent failure to kill Sasuke parallels Naruto's failure at the valley of the end.
And Narusaku is based on the fact that Sakura learns more about Naruto and can empathize with him. This movie shows Kishi's intention for this particular development in their relationship.

[PhenixElite]

Bolded: Ok, so lemme get this straight. You don't mind if Hinata gets these shining moments while Sakura has none but then BAM!! she ends up being Naruto's wife in the epilogue without any whatsoever resolution/development to her character?? if we're going by development and this happens, wouldn't Hinata deserve more to be by Naruto's side??

You also brought up my major complaint with the series. I still cannot believe that to this day, Kishi's female characters have been nothing but major pairing fodder for the entirety of the series (with a few exceptions). So if you want to blame someone for me having this particular view about the female characters, particularly Sakura, you can blame Kishi for doing a half-assed job to begin with.

I still dont know where you take it from that hinata has more shining moments and more development than Sakura. Hinata is and always was an undeveloped character, the only development in the whole manga she got was chapter 615 nothing more. She also has as good as 10 chapters screentime in the stroy and is not included in the love triangle of team 7.

I cant agree that hinata in any way deserves naruto more than sakura since she just didnt spent time with him nor speaks with him more then "Naruto-kun". Sakura instead does indeed spend about 90% of her time with naruto as well also is able to talk wih him.

NS is already developed enough and supported by parralells so that it needs not more then about 2 moments to make it canon, so it cant be said that NS would happen undeveloped and out of the blue.

@NS4life3g: I dont know if it happens, but i think it has a possibility to happen and would be a great next NS moment.

Edited by PhenixElite, 19 March 2013 - 08:22 AM.

[Codus N]

I still dont know where you take it from that hinata has more shining moments and more development than Sakura. Hinata is and always was an undeveloped character, the only development in the whole manga she got was chapter 615 nothing more. She also has as good as 10 chapters screentime in the stroy and is not included in the love triangle of team 7.

I cant agree that hinata in any way deserves naruto more than sakura since she just didnt spent time with him nor speaks with him more then "Naruto-kun". Sakura instead does indeed spend about 90% of her time with naruto as well also is able to talk wih him.

NS is already developed enough and supported by parralells so that it needs not more then about 2 moments to make it canon, so it cant be said that NS would happen undeveloped and out of the blue.

@NS4life3g: I dont know if it happens, but i think it has a possibility to happen and would be a great next NS moment.

Me, I prefer quality over quantity. If the overall quality of Hinata/NH development from here on dwarfs NS's Quantity, then I'm all for it. I wouldn't mind if the NH moments we may get from now on is that of higher quality than NS, even if it's late in the game. As long as they have a much more significant impact on Naruto and the plot overall than Sakura did, I'm all for it. If NH lacks in quantity, it can probably make up for it in quality. That is, if Kishi goes anywhere with this...

BTW, that was a merely hypothetical question.

[PhenixElite]

Me, I prefer quality over quantity. If the overall quality of Hinata/NH development from here on dwarfs NS's Quantity, then I'm all for it. I wouldn't mind if the NH moments we may get from now on is that of higher quality than NS, even if it's late in the game. As long as they have a much more significant impact on Naruto and the plot overall than Sakura did, I'm all for it. If NH lacks in quantity, it can probably make up for it in quality. That is, if Kishi goes anywhere with this...

BTW, that was a merely hypothetical question.

I dont see how NH can have more quality then NS. Especially when it starts developing in the end of the manga leaving plot holes and ruining characteristics and developments.

Hinata has as good as no developement with the main protoganist and with this fact it is not possible anymore for NH to even nearly reach the quality of NS. NS was slowly developed throughout the story and flows well with the charcateristics of characters as well as the themes of the manga.

Kishi can throw in as much NH moments as he wants, it wont change that hes ruining his own story with it.
In terms of pairings quantity goes hand in hand with quality, no quantity no quality.

Edited by PhenixElite, 19 March 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Codus N]

I dont see how NH can have more quality then NS. Especially when it starts developing in the end of the manga leaving plot holes and ruining characteristics and developments.

Hinata has as good as no developement with the main protoganist and with this fact it is not possible anymore for NH to even nearly reach the quality of NS. NS was slowly developed throughout the story and flows well with the charcateristics of characters as well as the themes of the manga.

Kishi can throw in as much NH moments as he wants, it wont change that hes ruining his own story with it.

It's all on Kishi right now. If he can make NH High Quality that even dwarfs NS in a short time, and execute it in a way that doesn't destroy the story, I'm all for it. It's near-impossible, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

But for this to happen, he needs to give a proper resolution to NS. So I'm not gonna go and say it's impossible. Nothing's impossible. Period.

[PhenixElite]

It's all on Kishi right now. If he can make NH High Quality that even dwarfs NS in a short time, and execute it in a way that doesn't destroy the story, I'm all for it. It's near-impossible, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

But for this to happen, he needs to give a proper resolution to NS. So I'm not gonna go and say it's impossible. Nothing's impossible. Period.

Tell me how NH quality now, can make 600 chapters NS quality and quantity vanish into nothing. Its not possible.
Its as well not possible to suddenly change the characteristics of the main protoganist and the themes without ruining the story.

Its like your saying naruto chases after sasuke for 600 chapters and is known to never give up, but suddenly he just stops to go for sasuke.

Edited by PhenixElite, 19 March 2013 - 09:15 AM.

[Dkey]

Kinda hard to do that because he is also Jiraya's student. If Naruto was as pervy as Jiraya he could go for Hinata but don't think it would last.

Jiraya though a pervert he still loved Tsunade even when she closed herself up to everybody


Naruto going to Hinata is possible but not probable and seem more like fanservice

[HauntedCake]

Tell me how NH quality now, can make 600 chapters NS quality and quantity vanish into nothing. Its not possible.
Its as well not possible to suddenly change the characteristics of the main protoganist and the themes without ruining the story.

Its like your saying naruto chases after sasuke for 600 chapters and is known to never give up, but suddenly he just stops to go for sasuke.

I agree with this. Quality NH is just another way of saying giving in to NH fanbase because i'll lose lots of money. Quite sad to think he would ruin his story to make up for the non- existant NH development just so it can be canon with these "quality" moments you speak of.

I dont dislike NH at all but i believe NH would ruin 500+ chapters of character development.

[Codus N]

Tell me how NH quality now, can make 600 chapters NS quality and quantity vanish into nothing. Its not possible.
Its as well not possible to suddenly change the characteristics of the main protoganist and the themes without ruining the story.

Its like your saying naruto chases after sasuke for 600 chapters and is known to never give up, but suddenly he just stops to go for sasuke.

Freudian Excuse. Period. Well, sort of. Y'know Fruits Basket?? all that development between two characters implied to be romantically involved and it seems that both reciprocate each other and then BAM! turns out that one side just sees her as if she was his mother. Then it turns out he loves someone else whereas there were no proper foreshadowing to begin with. Then that person just turns up at the last legs of the manga.

I could see a FB scenario here. It's been done before, it won't be surprising if it happens here since there's a precedent already. Remember, this is Kishi's manga, not ours. Whatever he says, goes.

But there is one huge caveat. He would need to give proper resolution to NS's development first. If that doesn't happen, I'll never accept it.

Also, time doesn't matter. If Kishi keeps the development up and consistent with NH, then that's enough for me. He's already essentially placed Sakura in the back burner now. So if he wants NH, well he better start now. No more games. This is what I mean by quality. If the NH moments to come heavily affect Naruto and the plot then I might consider accepting it. It doesn't matter if there's too little in terms of Quantity. Quality is the key.

But even then, I'll also stress that any NH moments from here on (if they were to happen) needs to be shown from Naruto's side as well. If he shows any sign of reciprocation and why he switched to Hinata, it needs proper development.

[PhenixElite]

Freudian Excuse. Period. Well, sort of. Y'know Fruits Basket?? all that development between two characters implied to be romantically involved and it seems that both reciprocate each other and then BAM! turns out that one side just sees her as if she was his mother. Then it turns out he loves someone else whereas there were no proper foreshadowing to begin with. Then that person just turns up at the last legs of the manga.

I could see a FB scenario here. It's been done before, it won't be surprising if it happens here since there's a precedent already. Remember, this is Kishi's manga, not ours. Whatever he says, goes.

But there is one huge caveat. He would need to give proper resolution to NS's development first. If that doesn't happen, I'll never accept it.

Also, time doesn't matter. If Kishi keeps the development up and consistent with NH, then that's enough for me. He's already essentially placed Sakura in the back burner now. So if he wants NH, well he better start now. No more games. This is what I mean by quality. If the NH moments to come heavily affect Naruto and the plot then I might consider accepting it. It doesn't matter if there's too little in terms of Quantity. Quality is the key.

But even then, I'll also stress that any NH moments from here on (if they were to happen) needs to be shown from Naruto's side as well. If he shows any sign of reciprocation and why he switched to Hinata, it needs proper development.

Well, so and you dont think that what happened in fruit basket was destroying the story? Also did this manga have parallels supporting the main pairing or a movie, that was released near the end of the manga?

Time also indeed matters to write a good story, as said in terms of this manga pairing, quantity goes hand in hand with quality. As long as NH has no quantity it will never have quality.

As already said, to make NH happening you need to change the protoganist whos shown and ment to never change.

You already said it, he for now placed sakura in the back and it needs to stay like this for NH to happen, so if you see placing the heroine in the background as good writing then....
Yeah NH=BAD WRITING

Edited by PhenixElite, 19 March 2013 - 10:17 AM.

[Codus N]

Quality is always superior to quantity, IMO. A balance is nice, but If something has the bigger quality even though its quantity is small I'd pick it over anything. And yes, FB was terrible writing in terms of development but if Kishi's desperate enough for ratings, I fear he may go that route.

[PhenixElite]

Quality is always superior to quantity, IMO. A balance is nice, but If something has the bigger quality even though its quantity is small I'd pick it over anything. And yes, FB was terrible writing in terms of development but if Kishi's desperate enough for ratings, I fear he may go that route.

Through all parallels and development NS has, not to forget the recent movie that shows his intentions even more, i dont fear anything and if her really chooses to take the destroying route of NH/SS then he will get the reward with the rep for his manga and im gonna quit.

i dont see a reason for him to do so and im not going to start worrieng over something that has no evidence.

[HauntedCake]

Quality is always superior to quantity, IMO. A balance is nice, but If something has the bigger quality even though its quantity is small I'd pick it over anything. And yes, FB was terrible writing in terms of development but if Kishi's desperate enough for ratings, I fear he may go that route.

I assume by Quality you mean Hinata and Naruto getting off in the middle of a war???

I dont understand NH at all sometimes, If NH were to happen why not do NH development throughout the years instead of f$$cking us around with NS development??

Should of ending Sakura romantic development with her getting with Sasuke at the end of part 1 if he wanted NH to happen.

[Codus N]

I assume by Quality you mean Hinata and Naruto getting off in the middle of a war???

I dont understand NH at all sometimes, If NH were to happen why not do NH development throughout the years instead of f$$cking us around with NS development??

Should of ending Sakura romantic development with her getting with Sasuke at the end of part 1 if he wanted NH to happen.

No, I mean stuff like what Winry does with Ed in FMA. I don't know how the hell you came to that conclusion ....

It certainly would've made more sense for Kishi to have developed NH throughout the years, but like Kishi said, he likes to change his mind in the middle of the road. So I'm not completely ruling out NH just yet. As it is right now, I'm leaving the door wide open for both pairings and give them the benefit of doubt.

[PhenixElite]

No, I mean stuff like what Winry does with Ed in FMA. I don't know how the hell you came to that conclusion ....

It certainly would've made more sense for Kishi to have developed NH throughout the years, but like Kishi said, he likes to change his mind in the middle of the road. So I'm not completely ruling out NH just yet. As it is right now, I'm leaving the door wide open for both pairings and give them the benefit of doubt.

Complete opposite for me.
If the author has to choose between betraying ihs story or good ending, i cant see him choosing the betraying.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Lol just saw Rock lee 50 he said that the hero always get the girl he loves before the final battle.

[HauntedCake]

No, I mean stuff like what Winry does with Ed in FMA. I don't know how the hell you came to that conclusion ....

It certainly would've made more sense for Kishi to have developed NH throughout the years, but like Kishi said, he likes to change his mind in the middle of the road. So I'm not completely ruling out NH just yet. As it is right now, I'm leaving the door wide open for both pairings and give them the benefit of doubt.

Bottom line is he has to destroy several characters, and their development to make NH canon.

[Codus N]

Complete opposite for me.
If the author has to choose between betraying ihs story or good ending, i cant see him choosing the betraying.

If he has gotten to his lowest point, he will.

[PhenixElite]

If he has gotten to his lowest point, he will.

How should he get to the lowest point?