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[六道仙人]

you're all wrong... Hinata is the most important person in his life.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

you're all wrong... Hinata is the most important person in his life.

]She's the nicest/kindest/politest/shiest girl in the series, none of those being a decisively NEGATIVE trait.
Especially since she's the ONLY girl (or almost only person) who actualy LIKES Naruto from the beginning, where he still was weak and clownish, NOT a Super Hero he became later on.
This is why I also dislike how Sakura (according to NaruSakus) started liking him in Shippuden - that is, when they start assuming she actually likes him, not just feels more friendly.
Either way, it's not nearly as selfless as Hinata's feelings, where she definitely didn't want/expect anything in return (cue "bring Sasuke-kun back").
That's why I can imagine Sakura with Sasuke (cause their relationship IS similar to what I just said), while I definitely don't WANT her with Naruto - simply cause this stinks of selfishness on her part.

[sushi.]

I think he explained it he dont want people to cut bonds with him.

You talkin' about Sasuke? I never liked their bond to begin with. I said Sasuke never really filled the role of a brother. Acknowledgin him in a few months doesn't count. It's hard to fill the role of a brother. Even Konohamaru is more of a brother, and their bond isn't forced down our throats. Iruka is like his big brother, Konohamaru is his kid brother. But Sasuke nonoXD

Edited by sushi., 19 March 2013 - 12:37 AM.

[Branden]

I gotta disagree here. Iruka isn't that low. :c I don't think lists like this are fair to begin with, but if anything, Kakashi should be there.

Sasuke and Sakura are equal in importance IMO. She's a love/love interest, and he's a brother. Two different bonds in his life that are difficult to compare. They each fill Naruto with each type of love. Although...Sasuke never was a really good brother to begin with.. I know they have the past in common, but that's at least not what I am looking for in a relationship. That's just my bias opinion however, Naruto will apparently go to the end of earth to save him, it just means that I can't understand what Naruto sees in Sasuke.

And also, Sakura's relationship with Naruto wasn't tested in the same way it was with Sasuke.

well these lists are basically a "which character do you like more" list if you really think about it. I'm almost certain that if you ask a NH fan to make the exact same list they will argue that Hinata ranks at least 4 on this list

EDIT:

in response to sushi I would like to say that Sasuke is Naruto's rival, not his brother.

Edited by Branden, 19 March 2013 - 12:41 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You talkin' about Sasuke? I never liked their bond to begin with. I said Sasuke never really filled the role of a brother. Acknowledgin him in a few months doesn't count. It's hard to fill the role of a brother. Even Konohamaru is more of a brother, and their bond isn't forced down our throats. Iruka is like his big brother, Konohamaru is his kid brother. But Sasuke nonoXD

Sakura said that he acknowledge Sasuke as his brother.
But i think it's the fact of their rivalry, and even the part where Sasuke protected Naruto.
It's more the fact that Naruto doesnt want Sasuke to go further on the darkness because like him he also lose everything for the sake of the village, he sees Sasuke like looking at himself if he choose the dark path.

[Slextrem]

People are misunderstanding my list...

Sorry, I should be a bit more clear when I post. When I say, "Naruto's most important people", I'm always referring to his original bonds. The ones that he cherishes the most because they were the first to pull him away from loneliness:



That's why I include Konohamaru instead of Jiraiya or Sai. He was the second person to treat Naruto like a human being and the first to actually look up to him. It makes me kind of sad that Kishimoto didn't include him here...

Though I completely agree that, at this point, there are so many really important people in Naruto's life that it's hard to list them individually. Jiraiya is most definitely an important person to Naruto, as are his parents, Tsunade, Sai, Gaara, Yamato... The list goes on. So, if I were to list off everyone that Naruto cares about, I would do it the way that Dark suggested. Clumping! That seems the easiest.

[TouKen4Life3g]

you're all wrong... Hinata is the most important person in his life.

That is so accurate, I can't even touch this.

But seriously, I do think Naruto explained who are the most precious and what they represent. If I remember, there were panels of each character and what they stood for. Like I think Kakashi tried to tell him that eating ramen all day can be fattening or something like that. So yeah, these bonds hold a special place in him.

[Branden]

People are misunderstanding my list...

Sorry, I should be a bit more clear when I post. When I say, "Naruto's most important people", I'm always referring to his original bonds. The ones that he cherishes the most because they were the first to pull him away from loneliness:



That's why I include Konohamaru instead of Jiraiya or Sai. He was the second person to treat Naruto like a human being and the first to actually look up to him. It makes me kind of sad that Kishimoto didn't include him here...

Though I completely agree that, at this point, there are so many really important people in Naruto's life that it's hard to list them individually. Jiraiya is most definitely an important person to Naruto, as are his parents, Tsunade, Sai, Gaara, Yamato... The list goes on. So, if I were to list off everyone that Naruto cares about, I would do it the way that Dark suggested. Clumping! That seems the easiest.

speaking of Konohamaru he was a bit of wasted potential, especially since he was there before team 7

[Tsubaki]

I really hope there is a NS moment in the manga as fast as possible... I'm really losing my patience with people saying things like: "NaruHina is canon after 615" , "NaruHina has been confirmed in the manga" and bla bla bla

[narulsaku]

Sakura said that he acknowledge Sasuke as his brother.
But i think it's the fact of their rivalry, and even the part where Sasuke protected Naruto.
It's more the fact that Naruto doesnt want Sasuke to go further on the darkness because like him he also lose everything for the sake of the village, he sees Sasuke like looking at himself if he choose the dark path.

wait when sakura said that she looks upon sasuke as her brother?

[kirabook]

No, Sakura said NARUTO acknowledges Sasuke as a brother. I think you've confused yourself.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really hope there is a NS moment in the manga as fast as possible... I'm really losing my patience with people saying things like: "NaruHina is canon after 615" , "NaruHina has been confirmed in the manga" and bla bla bla

Don't worry, RtN is an appetizer (a really good one). The main course is still preparing.

[narulsaku]

No, Sakura said NARUTO acknowledges Sasuke as a brother. I think you've confused yourself.

oh thank you, by the way where have you been havent seen you in a while

[Branden]

I really hope there is a NS moment in the manga as fast as possible... I'm really losing my patience with people saying things like: "NaruHina is canon after 615" , "NaruHina has been confirmed in the manga" and bla bla bla

well what kind of narusaku moment could actually happen and develop the pairing without making it cannon?

[TouKen4Life3g]

well what kind of narusaku moment could actually happen and develop the pairing without making it cannon?

Well for a start, just make Naruto say something that he loves Sakura. That will kill all hate comments about him moving on.

[narulsaku]

Well for a start, just make Naruto say something that he loves Sakura. That will kill all hate comments about him moving on.

or sakura finally realising that it is naruto who really loves her and she says naruto that she loves him truely this time. and giving him a kiss. that ll make it canon wont it?

[TouKen4Life3g]

or sakura finally realising that it is naruto who really loves her and she says naruto that she loves him truely this time. and giving him a kiss. that ll make it canon wont it?

It would but we still have to wait for confession to happen to make it 100%. Think as FMA, you get the idea what's going to be canon in the middle of the series, but you need to wait until the end for finalized pairing.

[StriderC]

wait when sakura said that she looks upon sasuke as her brother?

I think she he acknowledges Sasuke like a brother at the second reunion but I'm not too sure.

Edited by StriderC, 19 March 2013 - 05:36 AM.

[narulsaku]

I think she he acknowledges Sasuke like a brother at the second reunion but I'm not too sure.

are you sure i ve never heard that that seems impossible .

[Codus N]

My main point about this was that the titles don't change in the middle of the story. We're currently nearing the end of Shippuden. Changing around the main characters at this point in a story just doesn't happen in literature. Imagine if when Frodo made it to Mount Doom, Tolkien made Sam the ring bearer and had him run up the mountain and destroy the ring instead. Or if before the final battle in The Last Airbender, Korra suddenly showed up and was like, "Later, Aang. I've got a world to save." Things like this just don't happen in the middle of the story. In the sequel, anything is possible, but not smack dab in the middle of a series.

Shikamaru was the main focus in the Immortal Arc, but my point was, he didn't swipe the position "Hero of the Series" from Naruto. That still belongs to Naruto, and despite the attention and development that Shikamaru received, the plot was still all about Naruto and Team Seven chasing Sasuke. We're in a similar situation with Hinata, where she has received some development during the war, but that does not make her the heroine of the series. Like Shikamaru, she has no relevance to the plot. She has had some character development and some interactions with the hero, but that does not suddenly make her the heroine.

I don't see why the cover page can't count as proof of their roles. It's drawn by Kishimoto, included in the manga, and depicts all three of the main characters fighting together. Yes, it's annoying that it wasn't followed up by more Sakura development in the chapter, but the point is that it shows who Kishimoto considers as the main cast. Hinata is not included in that group, and the reason why is because she has no relevance to the plot. This is the main argument against Hinata being the heroine. To be a heroine, the character needs to be included in the main storyline. Hinata is not. She's played some minor roles here and there, but she has nothing to do with the main plot of the story. That storyline revolves around Team Seven - the team that she is not part of.


It doesn't matter if Kishimoto follows up on her development, or if she wins a one on one battle with a villain, or if NaruHina ends up being canon. At the end of the day, she will still be a side character. She will have more focus than the other side characters, but she will still be just that - a side character. Why? Because she literally has nothing to do with the plot of the story. She's not part of Team Seven, she's not one of the five most important people to Naruto, and she has no connection to Sasuke. All she has at the moment is love for the main character.


I feel like people think that if NaruSaku doesn't become canon, that means that Sakura is not the heroine. Or that if NaruHina gets a moment, Hinata suddenly has something over Sakura. There's more to being a heroine than becoming a couple with the hero. Even if Naruto gets with another girl, it doesn't mean that the new love interest will be the number one female of the series.

Sure, we haven't seen Sakura do much since the Alliance arrived, but there have only been a handful of chapters involving the Alliance so far. I'm confident that Kishimoto has something planned out for her, whether it's in this arc or in the one that follows it. The reason for that confidence is that he remembered to include her in nearly every chapter during the fight, and showed her in the color page fighting alongside Naruto in their struggle to save Sasuke. Kishimoto hasn't abandoned Sakura. Her time is coming. I guarantee you, by the end of the series, we will see more Sakura than Hinata because she's the one that's involved in the main story line. That's the role that Kishimoto gave her and I trust that he will give her the opportunity to prove herself to those that have lost faith in her.

Bolded: I never said that you aren't a true NaruSaku fan. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate it. Also, I never said that you, specifically, are being pessimistic. I was speaking in general terms. Regardless, whether you like it or not, I won't change my statement. Not only is it being pessimistic, but it's also belittling a character that has been a major part of this series since the beginning. It's absolutely irritating.

Look, trust me. If from what I know of JUMP is true, it isn't out of the realm of possibility for the editorial department to actually pressure Kishi himself to switch the main characters and ruin the story in the process all for the sake of higher ratings. I sure hope this is not true, but I am getting the dreading feeling it might just happen.

Regarding Sakura's role in the series, lemme ask you this, has she done anything heavily related to the plot and Naruto that doesn't backfire?? at this point, the title heroine seems to be nothing more than a name Kishi's labeled on Sakura. If you're creating a hero, or heroine for that matter, then you should be making her look like one. I don't mean fights, what I mean is moments where you watch in awe of what she's done and her success. I mean, I can damn well show you a heroine that doesn't fight, but actually does something that is crucial for the hero and has a moment where she saves the heroes in an amazing way that doesn't even require her to fight. In fact, you could say she defeated the enemy all by herself in a way.

Know who I'm talking about?? Winry.

I really have to call the CP into question here. It's been stated that CP's are meant to be fanservice and nothing more (why do you think they never include the texts on the CP pages in the tankobons??). And what's more Kishimoto has so far done nothing, NOTHING!! to follow up on that CP. This is why I seriously have to ask whether we can conclude as "canon" proof that Sakura is the heroine. Have we become so desperate to the point that we're using fanservice that has no basis whatsoever in the plot to further believe in Sakura's role??

Bolded: Ok, so lemme get this straight. You don't mind if Hinata gets these shining moments while Sakura has none but then BAM!! she ends up being Naruto's wife in the epilogue without any whatsoever resolution/development to her character?? if we're going by development and this happens, wouldn't Hinata deserve more to be by Naruto's side??

You also brought up my major complaint with the series. I still cannot believe that to this day, Kishi's female characters have been nothing but major pairing fodder for the entirety of the series (with a few exceptions). So if you want to blame someone for me having this particular view about the female characters, particularly Sakura, you can blame Kishi for doing a half-assed job to begin with.

It's true, Naruto and Sakura won't have an understanding on the parent issue I don't believe. It's something that is hard to imitate in the manga since Naruto's parents are dead and I don't believe he's going to use the actual movie plot in the manga itself. Sakura won't be able to understand Naruto to the extent that her movie self does now.

But just because she can't understand him completely doesn't mean she can't sympathize. Can we honestly expect her to truly understand what it feels like grow up completely alone and have the entire village fear and scorn you for most of your life? Sasuke doesn't understand that, not even Gaara to some extent, but he's the closest. Whether Sakura understands or not is not the most important thing either way, it's that she cares. In the manga, Sakura may not understand what Naruto is going through completely, but she cares anyway and put his happiness above hers as soon as she found out she was doing wrong.

Why do I get the feeling Minato will put his charm on Sakura when he talks to her about her insecurities??

If the kages go to the battlefield, Oro will have to follow. Hashirama is the only one in control of himself-- the rest, including Minato, are under Orochimaru's command.

Kishimoto already said that Naruto and Sasuke would meet during the war. Sasuke also wants to stop Madara.

Hmm... I kind of get the feeling Hiruzen won't stick around for very long out of the Hokages. I think his soul may pass on peacefully after he meets Kurenai and she tells him how Asuma has forgiven his father and that he finally understood what the "King" means.

As for Minato, if Hashi can't release them from Oro's control, then I think my theory will come true.