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[Nami]

 

Well she is an NS supporter. I doubt she talks about it much anymore, but she made that pretty obvious during the start of part 2.

 

That's cute, I didn't really know that before. I only knew that Sakura's voice actress was a SS shipper.

[AnimeGirl_123]

SS and NH besides the sentence "the last story is the first love"....

 

Also now we know for sure that Toneri is the descendant of Hamura. 

Lovely.  Apparently this image

 

 

has a title of "Naruto, falling in love for the first time" <- Can you confirm this? ;_; if so WTF more downplaying his love for Sakura. If Naruto falls in love for the first time that basically means Sakura was never love.  Sorry SP the manga shows otherwise.

And it says that the movie will show the process of Naruto falling in love with Hinata apparently.  

 

It's just pathetic that NH needs a 2 hour movie to show Naruto falling for her.  Why couldn't it be in the manga? 

Also some translations of the posters but someone scanlated them... Don't know if this was posted.

http://www.shonengam...e-scan-details/

 

EDIT

 

I see you translated the pic. So it's the beginning of love for him? Same thing I guess...

Edited by AnimeGirl_123, 21 November 2014 - 07:06 AM.

[咲耶姫]

Lovely.  Apparently this image

 

 

has a title of "Naruto, falling in love for the first time" <- Can you confirm this? ;_; if so WTF more downplaying his love for Sakura. If Naruto falls in love for the first time that basically means Sakura was never love.  Sorry SP the manga shows otherwise.

And it says that the movie will show the process of Naruto falling in love with Hinata apparently.  

 

It's just pathetic that NH needs a 2 hour movie to show Naruto falling for her.  Why couldn't it be in the manga? 

Also some translations of the posters but someone scanlated them... Don't know if this was posted.

http://www.shonengam...e-scan-details/

 

EDIT

 

I see you translated the pic. So it's the beginning of love for him? Same thing I guess...

It's more in the sense of "he loves (romantically) for the first time" so yeah "falling in love for the first time" is very good translation, even better than mine.

 

And wow, seeing the scans translated and all those Naruto loves for the first time makes me very sure that my reading of the manga was very wrong. It seems like Naruto's feelings for Sakura were just a crush in the end. Now I have no doubts anymore. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 21 November 2014 - 07:12 AM.

[RedFaction]

Lovely.  Apparently this image

 

 

has a title of "Naruto, falling in love for the first time" <- Can you confirm this? ;_; if so WTF more downplaying his love for Sakura. If Naruto falls in love for the first time that basically means Sakura was never love.  Sorry SP the manga shows otherwise.

And it says that the movie will show the process of Naruto falling in love with Hinata apparently.  

 

It's just pathetic that NH needs a 2 hour movie to show Naruto falling for her.  Why couldn't it be in the manga? 

Also some translations of the posters but someone scanlated them... Don't know if this was posted.

http://www.shonengam...e-scan-details/

That's the easiest way to do away with Naruto's feelings by saying it was a pale love, or a crush. While on the other hand, Hinata's love is true love even though she barely knows Naruto. Makes perfect sense right?

[咲耶姫]

Thanks!

 

Presented from the original work..? o_o uhh..

No I edited, it's "this work", I was confused mistook it with another kanji.  

 

Also lol at the "Will Naruto finally realize his friend's feelings?" Isn't he supposed to already being aware of them? Didn't she confessed in pain Arc? I'm sorry but that movie is really a bad way to present NH. It looks like Hinata could have never existed in the first place in the manga, she would still have Naruto, it looks like his new love interest could have been any unknown girl as long as she has this movie story with Naruto. All their interactions in the manga had no purpose in the end. 

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Making NH endgame wouldn't piss me off as much If they didn't half ass this movie to "canonize it." That's why I say this movie and 699-700 is not canon in my eyes. Kishi quote from the Nostalgia Critic "You are Scum!!!"

[trang95]

Lovely.  Apparently this image

 

 

has a title of "Naruto, falling in love for the first time" <- Can you confirm this? ;_; if so WTF more downplaying his love for Sakura. If Naruto falls in love for the first time that basically means Sakura was never love.  Sorry SP the manga shows otherwise.

And it says that the movie will show the process of Naruto falling in love with Hinata apparently.  

 

It's just pathetic that NH needs a 2 hour movie to show Naruto falling for her.  Why couldn't it be in the manga? 

Also some translations of the posters but someone scanlated them... Don't know if this was posted.

http://www.shonengam...e-scan-details/

 

EDIT

 

I see you translated the pic. So it's the beginning of love for him? Same thing I guess...

Man, reading this just hurts like hell. Yeah Kishi, all this time I've been reading the manga wrong...

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Why didn't he developed NaruHina more in the manga even after all the NaruSaku perrells? He pisses me off.

[Nefertieh]

And those of us who don't watch it will still see the pairing relevant parts anyway, since there'll be gifs everywhere.

 

Those gifs will take over the whole Naruto fandom, I swear.

 

Shocked in the way we were when witnessing the asspull in the final chapters.

 

"Shocked" in this context is probably the nicest thing anyone can say at this point.

 

 

It's more in the sense of "he loves (romantically) for the first time" so yeah "falling in love for the first time" is very good translation, even better than mine.

 

And wow, seeing the scans translated and all those Naruto loves for the first time makes me very sure that my reading of the manga was very wrong. It seems like Naruto's feelings for Sakura were just a crush in the end. Now I have no doubts anymore. 

 

Well, Kishimoto just said he would have put Naruto with Sakura had not it made Sakura look bad for being with a man her friend liked. So no, we didn't read the manga wrong.

 

Ofcourse this movie will do everything it can to "legitimize" Naruto's feelings for Sakura. We can't have Hinata look like the rebound girl, now can we?

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 November 2014 - 07:54 AM.

[咲耶姫]

 

Those gifs will take over the whole Naruto fandom, I swear.

 

 

"Shocked" in this context is probably the nicest thing anyone can say at this point.

 

 

 

Well, Kishimoto just said he would have put Naruto with Sakura had not it made Sakura look bad for being with a man her friend liked. So no, we didn't read the manga wrong.

 

Ofcourse this movie will do everything it can to "legitimize" Naruto's feelings for Sakura. We can't have Hinata look like the rebound girl, now can we?

I was only talking about the depth of Naruto's feelings. Not NS itself. As I said yesterdays, we were right at some point (beginning of Part 2) and NH/SS were right at some point too (War Arc) while part 1 was just not focused on love, I think Kishi wasn't sure on which pairing he wanted until Part 2 where he first wanted NS but then changed his mind for NH/SS. Why did he change his mind? No one except him will ever know it for sure.

[AnimeGirl_123]

Man, reading this just hurts like hell. Yeah Kishi, all this time I've been reading the manga wrong...

The thing is Kishi said it himself that he did consider NS. So at some point we WEREN'T reading the manga wrong. It was definitely there. I just don't know the exact points in which he was going for NS or not because he said he decided on NH long ago and to be that means before the war. So wtf was up with the kushina parallel? And cpr while having Hinata trip? He did that fully knowing that NH was going to happen. That's just low for an author.

It's more in the sense of "he loves (romantically) for the first time" so yeah "falling in love for the first time" is very good translation, even better than mine.
 
And wow, seeing the scans translated and all those Naruto loves for the first time makes me very sure that my reading of the manga was very wrong. It seems like Naruto's feelings for Sakura were just a crush in the end. Now I have no doubts anymore.

Thanks for the confirmation. And like I said NS was definitely there at some point. Perhaps Naruto did grow out of his "crush" (still can't believe this) but Kishi did a poor job of showing it.

Arg I'm so torn. Sometimes I'll be like "ok I was wrong and this is why" but then other times in just angry and rant about how nothing makes sense! XD

That's the easiest way to do away with Naruto's feelings by saying it was a pale love, or a crush. While on the other hand, Hinata's love is true love even though she barely knows Naruto. Makes perfect sense right?

 

Yea I don't know. I mean I could believe Hinata loves Naruto because it's pretty much her whole character and there is a lot of emphasis on it. Well excuse Naruto for actually caring about other people and things aside from his love. How dare he have a life outside Sakura. Yeesh. 

It's true that they barely know each other and that's my main problem with the pairing. I used to like it but it just lacks so much development.

No I edited, it's "this work", I was confused mistook it with another kanji.  
 
Also lol at the "Will Naruto finally realize his friend's feelings?" Isn't he supposed to already being aware of them? Didn't she confessed in pain Arc? I'm sorry but that movie is really a bad way to present NH. It looks like Hinata could have never existed in the first place in the manga, she would still have Naruto, it looks like his new love interest could have been any unknown girl as long as she has this movie story with Naruto. All their interactions in the manga had no purpose in the end.

Kushina was right that Naruto really didn't understand girls feelings.. XD

[Nefertieh]

I was only talking about the depth of Naruto's feelings. Not NS itself. As I said yesterdays, we were right at some point (beginning of Part 2) and NH/SS were right at some point too (War Arc) while part 1 was just not focused on love, I think Kishi wasn't sure on which pairing he wanted until Part 2 where he first wanted NS but then changed his mind for NH/SS. Why did he change his mind? No one except him will ever know it for sure.

 

The depth of Naruto's feelings towards Sakura is really just determined by what kind of story Kishi decides to tell. If he thought narusaku should have been canon, then Naruto's love for Sakura would not be written off as a crush. But because he's flip-flopped and changed the idea of who should end up with his hero, then obviously he's going to have to retcon Naruto's feelings for her altogether.

 

Which is a shame of you think about it. Naruto was only able to defeat Gaara because he saw Sakura in danger, then there was Haku telling him he would become strong when he found someone precious he wanted to protect. He also awkwardly kept all the narusaku parallels in the story; I guess those are the bare bones of the narusaku plot that he abandoned for his Hinata movie.

 

A lot of people here thinks he changed who he wanted to end up with Naruto around the time Sakura's confession was released, when there was a huge backlash against her for 'taking Hinata's man', I suppose.

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 November 2014 - 08:14 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

 

Naruto, the beginning of love: 

 

Because of her shyness, Hinata never could do any approach concerning the feelings she always had towards Naruto since her childhood. Then, a suspicious Naruto notices/realizes/ becomes aware of these feelings of Hinata. But in this work, the process that lead this kind of Naruto to a romantic relationship with Hinata/ that lead him to love Hinata is presented.  Their awkward love story will be directly told/assured. 

 

Not very sure about the suspicious Naruto part.

 

Suspicious? Why the hell would Naruto be suspicious? She confessed her love RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS FACE??? WHY SHOULD HE BE CONFUSED? WHY SHOULD HE DOUBT THAT HER FEELINGS ARE REAL? WHY IS HE SUDDENLY GETTING OVER SAKURA DESPITE 631? WHERE DID THAT SCARF SCENE HAPPEN IN THE MANGA? WHERE IS THE LOGIC BEHIND ANY OF THIS??????            

[James S Cassidy]

Like I said, we didn't read the manga wrong...and no, I don't believe this bull that "I decided long ago that NH was the end pairing." That all sounds like excuses rather than reasons...and how can we be sure what is a truth and what is a lie anymore?

To me, the reason for all of this makes sense in the context of the way the manga was written. I don't think Kishimoto had a hand in writing the The Last movie at all or at least the romance aspect of it. I think they forced his hand on the pairings and he had to make NH/SS canon because Studio Perriot made it in the movie. That is the only way to really explain any of it and now he has to lie to try and cover the fact that the studio screwed up by saying "Yeah, this was all planned."

Call it a conspiracy theory if you want to, but the fact that this idea that "all this was planned for a while" makes no sense in according to the context of the manga story itself just proves that someone is not telling the whole truth. There are too many red flags to accept this kind of crap and I can't believe anybody is. People lie all the time to better suit their case...why should Kishimoto be any different?

You all point it out yourselves "If NH was planned long ago, why did we get all these NS moments?" Because it wasn't planned long ago. It was probably only planned maybe in the last year or so and Kishi was forced.

I am going to quote V for Vendetta here: "Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 November 2014 - 07:00 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Like I said, we didn't read the manga wrong...and no I don't believe this bull that "I decided long ago that NH was the end pairing." That all sounds like excuses rather than reasons...and how can we be sure what is a truth and what is a lie anymore?

To me, the reason for all of this, makes sense in the context of way the manga was written. I don't think Kishimoto had a hand in writing the The Last movie at all or at leats the romance aspect of it. I think they forced his hand on the pairings and he had to make NH/SS canon because Studio Perriot made it in the movie. That is the only way to really explain any of it...and now he has to lie to try and cover the fact that the studio screwed up by saying "Yeah, this was all planned."

Call it a conspiracy theroy if you want to, but the fact that this idea that "all this was planned for a while" makes no sense in according to the context of the manga story itself just proves that someone is not telling the whole truth. There is too many red flags to accept this kind of crap and I can't believe anybody is. People lie all the time to better suit their case...why should Kishimoto be any different?

 

Well, we know for certain he's not going to admit he was forced by his editors or pressured to act against his will by some sort of external force if he was. But the fact that he revealed he basically dropped narusaku because of Hinata's existence is shockingly revealing. Then and again, it probably sounded like the best PR statement he could think of for such a controversial subject -- along the lines of "I made naruhina canon so Sakura wouldn't be seen as a homewrecker!" 

[James S Cassidy]

 

Well, we know for certain he's not going to admit he was forced by his editors or pressured to act against his will by some sort of external force if he was. But the fact that he revealed he basically dropped narusaku because of Hinata's existence is shockingly revealing. Then and again, it probably sounded like the best PR statement he could think of for such a controversial subject -- along the lines of "I made naruhina canon so Sakura wouldn't be seen as a homewrecker!" 

We may never know the full truth, but I refuse to believe that what we are being fed is the truth. Too much is contradicting. Assistant says NS fans read the manga wrong, Kishimoto says it was back and forth for a long time, another person says something else....notice how none of the stories match up or everyone says something different about the process? In a court of law, that would be suspicious.

You can't even trust 80% of the info we have been getting recently and gets even more deluded which each retelling. Noone can keep the story straight.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 November 2014 - 09:04 AM.

[Chatte]

Like I said, we didn't read the manga wrong...and no I don't believe this bull that "I decided long ago that NH was the end pairing." That all sounds like excuses rather than reasons...and how can we be sure what is a truth and what is a lie anymore?

To me, the reason for all of this, makes sense in the context of way the manga was written. I don't think Kishimoto had a hand in writing the The Last movie at all or at leats the romance aspect of it. I think they forced his hand on the pairings and he had to make NH/SS canon because Studio Perriot made it in the movie. That is the only way to really explain any of it...and now he has to lie to try and cover the fact that the studio screwed up by saying "Yeah, this was all planned."

Call it a conspiracy theroy if you want to, but the fact that this idea that "all this was planned for a while" makes no sense in according to the context of the manga story itself just proves that someone is not telling the whole truth. There is too many red flags to accept this kind of crap and I can't believe anybody is. People lie all the time to better suit their case...why should Kishimoto be any different?

You all point it out yourselves "If NH was planned long ago, why did we get all these NS moments?" Because it wasn't planned long ago. It was probably only planned maybe in the last year or so and Kishi was forced.

I am going to quote V for Vendetta here: "Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up."

It is clear from his interviews given the reasons he says, they sound all NH and SS reasons. They sent him hundreds of letters and we all know their usual reasons why NS would be crap. So then, he was forced to do this because simply put: money makes the world go round. 

Edited by Chatte, 21 November 2014 - 09:22 AM.

[AnimeGirl_123]

 

The depth of Naruto's feelings towards Sakura is really just determined by what kind of story Kishi decides to tell. If he thought narusaku should have been canon, then Naruto's love for Sakura would not be written off as a crush. But because he's flip-flopped and changed the idea of who should end up with his hero, then obviously he's going to have to retcon Naruto's feelings for her altogether.

 

Which is a shame of you think about it. Naruto was only able to defeat Gaara because he saw Sakura in danger, then there was Haku telling him he would become strong when he found someone precious he wanted to protect. He also awkwardly kept all the narusaku parallels in the story; I guess those are the bare bones of the narusaku plot that he abandoned for his Hinata movie.

 

A lot of people here thinks he changed who he wanted to end up with Naruto around the time Sakura's confession was released, when there was a huge backlash against her for 'taking Hinata's man', I suppose.

The thing is I don't really know if he flip flopped.  I know this sounds weird and doesn't fit with what WE interpreted in the manga but tbh from the interview it sounded like NH was his intended pairing and then he considered NS for a bit. He then bailed on NS for unjust reasons with no logic and went back to NH. If you compare Naruto's feelings to Sakura's and Hinata's, he did get the short end of the stick when it came to show casing them.  Apparently the girl's feelings are more important than the guy's. Good job, Kishi! 

And the fact that he's basically using an SS argument to justify why NS didn't happen... Either we misread something there or Kishi did get alot of fan letters and went with it like Chatte just said. XD

[Nefertieh]

We may never know the full truth, but I refuse to believe that what we are being fed is the truth. Too much is contradicting. Assistant says NS fans read the manga wrong, Kishimoto says it was back and forth for a long time, another person says something else....notice how none of the stories match up or everyone says something different about the process? In a court of law, that would be suspicious.

You can't even trust 80% of the info we have been getting recently and gets even more deluded which each retelling. Noone can keep the story straight.

 

Ofcourse they're not going to tell the truth. Not if it's going to make them, Hinata, or the new naruhina movie look bad. Like I said, the whole reasoning that naruhina was all made to make Sakura look good sounds like some sort of (bad) PR statement -- like all Sakura fans really have no right to question his  decision because it was written 'for her benefit'.

 

Now there's a big gaping hole that the parallels and foreshadowing has left. I think it's going to be quite obvious for people to see where this story was headed; maybe Kishimoto left it like this on purpose because he didn't like NH or SS himself, or maybe he couldn't be bothered to care in the end to even remove them from his story. Who knows.

 

The thing is I don't really know if he flip flopped.  I know this sounds weird and doesn't fit with what WE interpreted in the manga but tbh from the interview it sounded like NH was his intended pairing and then he considered NS for a bit. He then bailed on NS for unjust reasons with no logic and went back to NH. If you compare Naruto's feelings to Sakura's and Hinata's, he did get the short end of the stick when it came to show casing them.  Apparently the girl's feelings are more important than the guy's. Good job, Kishi! 

And the fact that he's basically using an SS argument to justify why NS didn't happen... Either we misread something there or Kishi did get alot of fan letters and went with it like Chatte just said. XD

 

Ofcourse, we'll never know if he actually flipped flopped or not, it's not going to look good or him or his story. But honestly, just because I'm a narusaku fan, it does not mean I have permanent shipping goggles that hinder my mind from interpreting literature.

 

There was absolutely no point putting in the love-letter nin scene if it was not about using dramatic irony to point out that the ideal Sasuke that Sakura loves does not exist. There is no point having several different characters point out Sakura's "feelings" towards Naruto if it was purely meant to be unrequited. None of the long-running parallels that have applied so well to Naruto and Sasuke (ending with them dying on top of Madara and Hashirama's statues, who were finally able to make the peace sign) were even addressed with Naruto and Sakura, even though the comparisons were there. Kishimoto could honestly not have made it less painfully obvious that Sakura was the girl Kushina talked about, both in the manga and RtN.

 

Instead we get Sasuke poking Sakura's forehead, which he wanted to disintegrate with the rest of her body only three chapters ago.

 

Honestly, there's just so much narusaku in the story that it leaves you feeling completely blindsided to see them not get together, or at least not get any closure.

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 November 2014 - 09:56 AM.

[rinali24]

Reading some tvtropes.

 

• Want to know why Nozomi from Elfen Lied didn't make it to the anime version, despite being so important in the manga? Because the anime director hated her, thought that "it doesn't make a difference whether she's there or not" and refused to put her in the anime cast. Which is fairly hilarious, considering she's the reason the series is called Elfen Lied.

 

At this point, I'm surprised SP didn't give this same treatment to Sakura.