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#12861 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:15 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 18 2013, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didnt know that 2 moments can turn a sidecharacter into a heroine. I also dont know how chapter 617 can be seen as a special moment, since i dont see a big deal that hinata got 2 panels of pushing narutos shoulder back in place.

Same here. I think people are really worried with such small events. If Kishi doesn't see it anything special, why should you?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 18 2013, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do call it a NH moment but nothing that will kill NS. It's like I said in the other thread, they at least get the fan service that will make them happy, but nothing that will scream canon or anything like that. It is what it is. I never thought of her as a heroine. That was the moment to show how helpful friends can be. Team 7 are above that level for Naruto and we will see how they are. This arc demonstrates the bond and importances from many like former enemies, kages, etc. Honestly, I don't think Kishi really put Hinata on a pedestal as we keep thinking. Just wait until the end and then, we can tally up.

I don't know how it works, but I do know color chapter really helps rating. I don't know how it works but I think the current issue with the color page means the past chapter that's getting ranked won't count. Kind of wish Bakuman was clear on that.


Exactly. It's a NH moment, but it's not like it's already 100% canon. As far as I can see about her being the heroine, she's currently in the lead, but that doesn't mean Kishi won't have Sakura overtake her in the last stretches of the race.

For the ranked chapters, everybody else is just as confused as you are. Some sources say they're unranked, but CP's often help in boosting popularity, according to Bakuman. But it's not even that clear cut whether it is ranked or not. I just asked around on another forum, but I'm still waiting a reply.


QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 18 2013, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didnt know that 2 moments can turn a sidecharacter into a heroine. I also dont know how chapter 617 can be seen as a special moment, since i dont see a big deal that hinata got 2 panels of pushing narutos shoulder back in place.


That's why I said may. Also note that I said Kishi will need to keep the development consistent if she really is the heroine.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 18 2013, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly. It's a NH moment, but it's not like it's already 100% canon. As far as I can see about her being the heroine, she's currently in the lead, but that doesn't mean Kishi won't have Sakura overtake her in the last stretches of the race.

For the ranked chapters, everybody else is just as confused as you are. Some sources say they're unranked, but CP's often help in boosting popularity, according to Bakuman. But it's not even that clear cut whether it is ranked or not. I just asked around on another forum, but I'm still waiting a reply.




That's why I said may. Also note that I said Kishi will need to keep the development consistent if she really is the heroine.

I personally have never seen an author changing his hero or his heroine during the series. I dont even think its possible as long as you arent the worst writer world wide. So i give the thought of hinata becoming the heroine a 0,01% chance of happening.

Also how can hinata be in the lead of beeing the heroine with about 10 chapters screentime in the manga?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 18 2013, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly. It's a NH moment, but it's not like it's already 100% canon. As far as I can see about her being the heroine, she's currently in the lead, but that doesn't mean Kishi won't have Sakura overtake her in the last stretches of the race.

For the ranked chapters, everybody else is just as confused as you are. Some sources say they're unranked, but CP's often help in boosting popularity, according to Bakuman. But it's not even that clear cut whether it is ranked or not. I just asked around on another forum, but I'm still waiting a reply.




That's why I said may. Also note that I said Kishi will need to keep the development consistent if she really is the heroine.


I don't think that changing heroine like that after 620 chapter is possible. Espacially when the << New Heroine >> has been seen 10 times in the entire serie.

Sakura is the Heroine of Narutoverse , and will always be. Period.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 18 2013, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly. It's a NH moment, but it's not like it's already 100% canon. As far as I can see about her being the heroine, she's currently in the lead, but that doesn't mean Kishi won't have Sakura overtake her in the last stretches of the race.

For the ranked chapters, everybody else is just as confused as you are. Some sources say they're unranked, but CP's often help in boosting popularity, according to Bakuman. But it's not even that clear cut whether it is ranked or not. I just asked around on another forum, but I'm still waiting a reply.




That's why I said may. Also note that I said Kishi will need to keep the development consistent if she really is the heroine.


Dont yopu find it insulting that Hinata can overtake Sakura heroine role in less then 2-3 chapters??? i do

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

Kishi forgot about Sakura while writing a good chunk of part 2, because of that we now have a situation where our heroine is underdeveloped and is being upstaged by a fan favorite side character.

It's not that hard to figure out and quite frankly I think the only person to blame here is Kishi for bad writing.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 18 2013, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont yopu find it insulting that Hinata can overtake Sakura heroine role in less then 2-3 chapters??? i do

Same here. Hinata gets tidbits and now she's heroine is really laughable at best. I understand Sakura hasn't enter the battle yet, but to me, I think it will soon become a blessing in disguise.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 18 2013, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi forgot about Sakura while writing a good chunk of part 2, because of that we now have a situation where our heroine is underdeveloped and is being upstaged by a fan favorite side character.

It's not that hard to figure out and quite frankly I think the only person to blame here is Kishi for bad writing.


True, but he has time to redeem for this. The Naruto vs Sasuke arc could have her heavily involved.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 18 2013, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi forgot about Sakura while writing a good chunk of part 2, because of that we now have a situation where our heroine is underdeveloped and is being upstaged by a fan favorite side character.

It's not that hard to figure out and quite frankly I think the only person to blame here is Kishi for bad writing.

Honestly i dont see sakura as an undeveloped character. The undeveloped character in the story is hinata.
The only development she became was chapter 615 nothing more so i really dont have any problem.

Just count the chapters including hinata in the whole manga. You wont find many.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 18 2013, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Found quite an interesting page.

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Btw is the panel with Sakura asking herself "what is this feeling" real. If so which chapter?


Yes it's real I think it's chapter 12 or 13 when they first encountered Zabuza and Naruto figured a plan to save Kakashi from the water prison.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:00 PM


Yep. Hinata, the heroine. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

I don't mind talking about 615-617, NaruHina had a nice moment and Hinata was able to get some development, but I really can't stand it when people speculate whether or not it makes her the heroine. facepalm.png

SAKURA is the heroine. This has been her role since the very beginning of the series and it's going to stay that way until the end. She's a member of Team Seven, one of five of Naruto's most important people, and has been with Naruto since the start of the series. This fact doesn't change, no matter how much development we see from Hinata.

On the other hand, HINATA is a side character. She was introduced late into the series with the rest of the rookies and has played a minor role throughout the story. She may get more attention than some of the other rookies, (some have described it as her being placed on a pedestal), but her title as side character is never going to change. We're 600+ chapters into the series and she still has no relevance to the plot. This should be all the proof you need of that.

This isn't a game of hot potato. The hero and heroine titles don't get passed around from character to character as we see fit. That's not how literature works. Example? Look at the Asuma arc. Shikamaru was getting way more development than Naruto was, but that didn't suddenly make him the hero of the series. At the end of the day, the story was still about Naruto chasing after Sasuke with Team Seven. The focus may have shifted away from them briefly, but their titles as main characters were never revoked. Kishimoto isn't about to flip the story on it's head because Hinata had some focus for two chapters. Anyone that says otherwise is either wishfully thinking or being really pessimistic. sleep.gif

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 18 2013, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi forgot about Sakura while writing a good chunk of part 2, because of that we now have a situation where our heroine is underdeveloped and is being upstaged by a fan favorite side character.

It's not that hard to figure out and quite frankly I think the only person to blame here is Kishi for bad writing.

To be fair, all characters not named Naruto and Sasuke got sidelined. Sakura still got mental developments, but because of the awesomeness of her last full fight, we want more of that. We are full aware on how great she can be. So, now, it will be a good time for her to show her stuff. Tidbits are nice but again, being a battle Shounen, one good fight will do justice.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 18 2013, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi forgot about Sakura while writing a good chunk of part 2, because of that we now have a situation where our heroine is underdeveloped and is being upstaged by a fan favorite side character.

It's not that hard to figure out and quite frankly I think the only person to blame here is Kishi for bad writing.



QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 18 2013, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yep. Hinata, the heroine. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

I don't mind talking about 615-617, NaruHina had a nice moment and Hinata was able to get some development, but I really can't stand it when people speculate whether or not it makes her the heroine. facepalm.png

SAKURA is the heroine. This has been her role since the very beginning of the series and it's going to stay that way until the end. She's a member of Team Seven, one of five of Naruto's most important people, and has been with Naruto since the start of the series. This fact doesn't change, no matter how much development we see from Hinata.

On the other hand, HINATA is a side character. She was introduced late into the series with the rest of the rookies and has played a minor role throughout the story. She may get more attention than some of the other rookies, (some have described it as her being placed on a pedestal), but her title as side character is never going to change. We're 600+ chapters into the series and she still has no relevance to the plot. This should be all the proof you need of that.

This isn't a game of hot potato. The hero and heroine titles don't get passed around from character to character as we see fit. That's not how literature works. Example? Look at the Asuma arc. Shikamaru was getting way more development than Naruto was, but that didn't suddenly make him the hero of the series. At the end of the day, the story was still about Naruto chasing after Sasuke with Team Seven. The focus may have shifted away from them briefly, but their titles as main characters were never revoked. Kishimoto isn't about to flip the story on it's head because Hinata had some focus for two chapters. Anyone that says otherwise is either wishfully thinking or being really pessimistic. sleep.gif


The problem is, as Branden put it, Kishi has been neglecting Sakura's character for like, 90% of the series if not part II. If Kishi intends for her to be the heroine, well then SHOW IT!! Yes, RtN counts, but the real million-dollar question is, can he follow that up in the manga??

616's CP does not count. This is just as bad as as NH fans using the games as proof, when really it's just pure fanservice. CP's are clearly stated to be fanservice. Sure, it's nice and all with that text "HEROINE". But I want concrete, solid proof she is the true heroine. As things stand, she seems to be about as relevant as Tenten to the story.

Bolded: really?? 'Cause quite honestly, I have definitely read mangas that completely changes the main characters' roles in the middle of the story. One should look no further than Bulma. In the later parts of DBZ she was relegated to secondary character status.

And yes, Shikamaru was the main character in the Immortals arc, and he didn't go on to replace Naruto as the hero. But if you read what I said clearly, Kishi needs to follow up on Hinata's development. If he doesn't, then Sakura is still the heroine.

And please don't start with the whole "you're being pessimistic, you're not a true NS fan at all". Those kinds of arguments are the one thing I hate more than opposing fandom's arguments.





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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

Something i find weird is after the confessions arc (inc sakura trying to kill sasuke) Naruto and Sakura never talked about the confession. They had time to but they didn't which is kinda weird because i'm sure that one of them would of brought it up?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 18 2013, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something i find weird is after the confessions arc (inc sakura trying to kill sasuke) Naruto and Sakura never talked about the confession. They had time to but they didn't which is kinda weird because i'm sure that one of them would of brought it up?

I think it will be brought up again when Naruto probably bring up the promise which Sakura could have sworn that she gave up on it, but Naruto didn't. I feel like people are split that the promise is over or the promise is still on courtesy to Naruto but we have to wait and see.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 18 2013, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem is, as Branden put it, Kishi has been neglecting Sakura's character for like, 90% of the series if not part II. If Kishi intends for her to be the heroine, well then SHOW IT!! Yes, RtN counts, but the real million-dollar question is, can he follow that up in the manga??

616's CP does not count. This is just as bad as as NH fans using the games as proof, when really it's just pure fanservice. CP's are clearly stated to be fanservice. Sure, it's nice and all with that text "HEROINE". But I want concrete, solid proof she is the true heroine. As things stand, she seems to be about as relevant as Tenten to the story.

Bolded: really?? 'Cause quite honestly, I have definitely read mangas that completely changes the main characters' roles in the middle of the story. One should look no further than Bulma. In the later parts of DBZ she was relegated to secondary character status.

And yes, Shikamaru was the main character in the Immortals arc, and he didn't go on to replace Naruto as the hero. But if you read what I said clearly, Kishi needs to follow up on Hinata's development. If he doesn't, then Sakura is still the heroine.

And please don't start with the whole "you're being pessimistic, you're not a true NS fan at all". Those kinds of arguments are the one thing I hate more than opposing fandom's arguments.

Dragon Ball Z could be considered a completely different series than Dragon Ball. It's a sequel, and in some cases (depending on when the sequel takes place) the roles are switched around. Avatar, for example, started off as being centered around Aang, Katara, and co, but the sequel takes place at a different time with a completely different cast. There were still appearances of the old cast, but as it was a new series, the heroes and heroines changed. Another example is Lord of the Rings. The original story, The Hobbit, follows Bilbo Baggins and the dwarves, but the sequel follows his nephew, Frodo, and the fellowship. Two completely different stories.

Dragon Ball Z is the same way. It started off with an original cast of characters, such as Goku, Krillin, Bulma, etc... but led to having some significant changes in the sequel DBZ. The characters are now adults and are starting to have children, so we see more focus being placed on the second generation rather than the first. Plus they're fighting stronger enemies and the story is focusing more on a different species - the Saiyans. Because of this, a lot of the original main cast has been shafted, as they are clearly much weaker and less relevant to the new storyline than newer characters, such as Vegeta, Gohan, and Trunks.

Naruto's sequel is different. It's a continuation of the same story. Yes, there was a time skip, but the story is still all about Team Seven. There was no major changes between Naruto and Naruto: Shippuden, other than the growth of the characters and the plot changing slightly (as now they're chasing after Sasuke instead of going on missions together and such.) At the start of Shippuden, Naruto is still introduced as the hero, Sakura is still introduced as the heroine, and Kakashi is still introduced their sensei. Their roles are still in tact.

My main point about this was that the titles don't change in the middle of the story. We're currently nearing the end of Shippuden. Changing around the main characters at this point in a story just doesn't happen in literature. Imagine if when Frodo made it to Mount Doom, Tolkien made Sam the ring bearer and had him run up the mountain and destroy the ring instead. Or if before the final battle in The Last Airbender, Korra suddenly showed up and was like, "Later, Aang. I've got a world to save." Things like this just don't happen in the middle of the story. In the sequel, anything is possible, but not smack dab in the middle of a series. huh.gif

Shikamaru was the main focus in the Immortal Arc, but my point was, he didn't swipe the position "Hero of the Series" from Naruto. That still belongs to Naruto, and despite the attention and development that Shikamaru received, the plot was still all about Naruto and Team Seven chasing Sasuke. We're in a similar situation with Hinata, where she has received some development during the war, but that does not make her the heroine of the series. Like Shikamaru, she has no relevance to the plot. She has had some character development and some interactions with the hero, but that does not suddenly make her the heroine.

I don't see why the cover page can't count as proof of their roles. It's drawn by Kishimoto, included in the manga, and depicts all three of the main characters fighting together. Yes, it's annoying that it wasn't followed up by more Sakura development in the chapter, but the point is that it shows who Kishimoto considers as the main cast. Hinata is not included in that group, and the reason why is because she has no relevance to the plot. This is the main argument against Hinata being the heroine. To be a heroine, the character needs to be included in the main storyline. Hinata is not. She's played some minor roles here and there, but she has nothing to do with the main plot of the story. That storyline revolves around Team Seven - the team that she is not part of.

It doesn't matter if Kishimoto follows up on her development, or if she wins a one on one battle with a villain, or if NaruHina ends up being canon. At the end of the day, she will still be a side character. She will have more focus than the other side characters, but she will still be just that - a side character. Why? Because she literally has nothing to do with the plot of the story. She's not part of Team Seven, she's not one of the five most important people to Naruto, and she has no connection to Sasuke. All she has at the moment is love for the main character.

I feel like people think that if NaruSaku doesn't become canon, that means that Sakura is not the heroine. Or that if NaruHina gets a moment, Hinata suddenly has something over Sakura. There's more to being a heroine than becoming a couple with the hero. Even if Naruto gets with another girl, it doesn't mean that the new love interest will be the number one female of the series. huh.gif

Sure, we haven't seen Sakura do much since the Alliance arrived, but there have only been a handful of chapters involving the Alliance so far. I'm confident that Kishimoto has something planned out for her, whether it's in this arc or in the one that follows it. The reason for that confidence is that he remembered to include her in nearly every chapter during the fight, and showed her in the color page fighting alongside Naruto in their struggle to save Sasuke. Kishimoto hasn't abandoned Sakura. Her time is coming. I guarantee you, by the end of the series, we will see more Sakura than Hinata because she's the one that's involved in the main story line. That's the role that Kishimoto gave her and I trust that he will give her the opportunity to prove herself to those that have lost faith in her.

Bolded: I never said that you aren't a true NaruSaku fan. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate it. Also, I never said that you, specifically, are being pessimistic. I was speaking in general terms. Regardless, whether you like it or not, I won't change my statement. Not only is it being pessimistic, but it's also belittling a character that has been a major part of this series since the beginning. It's absolutely irritating.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 18 2013, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something i find weird is after the confessions arc (inc sakura trying to kill sasuke) Naruto and Sakura never talked about the confession. They had time to but they didn't which is kinda weird because i'm sure that one of them would of brought it up?

I think they didnt had time, when they came back they have that reunion with k11 then he went to Ichiraku ramen, then Sakura comes and gives the news because she was in a hurry to tell other people that Tsunade awake then Naruto is summoned and then when he comes back he already has to leave to a "mission".
I think if anyone figure out that Sakura's behavior towards Naruto changed and i dont think they will remain just as friends, i think kishimoto already give a hint that it's weird for them to act like nothing happened since Sakura already knows that Naruto loves her, so instead of pretending like nothing happened like "Hinata confession on Pain's arc" Kishimoto simply make Naruto and Sakura to not interact with each other as long as he can.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 18 2013, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This isn't a game of hot potato. The hero and heroine titles don't get passed around from character to character as we see fit. That's not how literature works. Example? Look at the Asuma arc. Shikamaru was getting way more development than Naruto was, but that didn't suddenly make him the hero of the series. At the end of the day, the story was still about Naruto chasing after Sasuke with Team Seven. The focus may have shifted away from them briefly, but their titles as main characters were never revoked. Kishimoto isn't about to flip the story on it's head because Hinata had some focus for two chapters. Anyone that says otherwise is either wishfully thinking or being really pessimistic. sleep.gif

I have to agree. Not that Kishimoto isn't capable of a radical change, or within his rights to make a radical change in the focus or thematic titles of his characters if he chooses, it's just that -- speaking only for myself -- I don't see that he has. I don't think he has even come close to altering the original hero/heroine structure he put in place at the beginning, or the importance of the dynamic between the main characters.

To my view, recent events with Hinata in no way make her a heroine -- much less THE heroine. The way I see it, Hinata merely overcame her disproportionate and debilitating shortcomings long enough to actually catch up to the rest of her peers, for once.

Hinata has measurably lagged behind in every way -- skill, strength, competency, courage, focus, reliability. She finally acts like a real ninja for a couple of chapters and suddenly she's THE heroine? It might make her one within her own personal story profile, which was long overdue, but that's it.

Also, I don't consider #615 or any of the rest of it a NH moment. I don't see how it's possible to have a couple-building moment when one half of the couple does not participate with romantic feelings or intentions. And there has yet to be a single instance where Naruto has viewed Hinata as anything other than a valued friend and peer. Not one.

If Naruto ever displays even a slight indication of romantic interest in Hinata, then I will entertain the possibility that it's a "NH moment" and Kishimoto might be changing directions. Until then, no.




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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

All I can say is, when people try to compare the NaruHina relation in other series and how the protagonist goes for a side character rather than the heroine, well it just comes up as one easy answer, "that's literally a different story."I mean yeah Naruto has been influenced by other series like Dragonball but they are still separate, in their own universes. Naruto is Naruto, DB is DB.

On a side note, I don't know about any of you and I'm avoiding all the Road to Ninja stuff I can but from comments I've seen on Narutofourmss and Deviantart, there are some enganged and radical activity around already. Check this one out,

http://antinhss.devi...973849#comments

This is just one fan, I am scared to think of the impending upset that others will have if NaruSaku comes true. This fan claimed a NaruHina moment was merely by her saying his name and that Sakura was the only one he was with cause she was normal and that she was there to learn to not be such a b*tch to Naruto dry.gif.....

Seriously? headscratch.gif This is what fans are coming too? wot.gif

Its like many said, the NaruHina and SasuSaku crowd was drawn in during the previews and now we have a 2 sided troll event with the only pairing relationship built being Naruto's and Sakura's.

I just think the best thing ever is how many anti-NS fans and anyone just hating Sakura was entirely butthurt and just set up for something so bad. One fan even said it was all an illusion so Naruto and Sakura technically did not learn anything. It was all a genjustu so it never happened. Really? No lesson learned from these events in the movie? Its only fanservice, 111189.gif

Kishi made the movie, to the point people cried, its the only movie to correlate with the orginal material, is it canon? We don't know but kishi definitely showed more emotion in the movie than any form of the manga and anime ever did from what others have told me (avoiding spoilers bless them, I cannot wait for the subs).

The movie is mainly Naruto and his bond with his parents he never felt and Sakura feeling what Naruto never had. The focus on each other is secondary. Even still Naruto and Sakura really show their true colors to each other, their relationship just that deep.

All I can say to the upset NH, SS, and ANS fans th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif 111189.gif boogie.gif boogie.gif boogie.gif 111193.gif 111193.gif

From what others have said to me about the movie spoiler free it sounds like wow.png

Don't mean to sound bad and smug but this is just funny in spite of this complaining they put on despite the emotion and friendship Naruto and Sakura show to each other.

I'm sure Hinata would have had a better role if she came to the alternate world with Naruto but guess what Kishi chose Sakura and gave her the other main role in this movie. Its for this reason they claim its the worst ever written and has no actual purpose like the other movies (which is the exact opposite, this is the only movie close to the canon realm).

Does this ultimately prove how bad some NaruHina fans can be? A bit, but its just funny how extreme they are acting for now and still trying to justify NaruHina even for something they call non-canon. They are making their own contradictions for something like this, why bother complaining if its non-canon?

As others have said, this is the type of movie with an adventure the hero goes on with the heroine, not a side character. If NaruSaku is not canon after a movie as emotional like this, all I can say is you failed us Kishi and yourself. This movie shows just the best essence of the relationship Naruto has between his parents and Sakura. Nothing Hinata could do can top this, and if this is a non-canon movie guess what, it can be topped canonically. This is the biggest non-canon string of moments, so much its better than chp 615 a_dance.gif and it CAN AND WILL BE TOPPED.

I just cannot wait for this movie, for now I'll endulge myself in the humorus complaints of NaruHina and SasuSaku fans making asses out of themselves (only the rabbid ones not the rare logical ones).

The only reason many fans are going crazy against is movie is for one simple reason: Hinata is not the heroine and they cannot accept that Sakura is.

Edited by Inferno180, 18 March 2013 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 18 2013, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All I can say is, when people try to compare the NaruHina relation in other series and how the protagonist goes for a side character rather than the heroine, well it just comes up as one easy answer, "that's literally a different story."I mean yeah Naruto has been influenced by other series like Dragonball but they are still separate, in their own universes. Naruto is Naruto, DB is DB.

On a side note, I don't know about any of you and I'm avoiding all the Road to Ninja stuff I can but from comments I've seen on Narutofourmss and Deviantart, there are some enganged and radical activity around already. Check this one out,

http://antinhss.devi...973849#comments

This is just one fan, I am scared to think of the impending upset that others will have if NaruSaku comes true. This fan claimed a NaruHina moment was merely by her saying his name and that Sakura was the only one he was with cause she was normal and that she was there to learn to not be such a b*tch to Naruto dry.gif.....

Seriously? headscratch.gif This is what fans are coming too? wot.gif

Its like many said, the NaruHina and SasuSaku crowd was drawn in during the previews and now we have a 2 sided troll event with the only pairing relationship built being Naruto's and Sakura's.

I just think the best thing ever is how many anti-NS fans and anyone just hating Sakura was entirely butthurt and just set up for something so bad. One fan even said it was all an illusion so Naruto and Sakura technically did not learn anything. It was all a genjustu so it never happened. Really? No lesson learned from these events in the movie? Its only fanservice, 111189.gif

Kishi made the movie, to the point people cried, its the only movie to correlate with the orginal material, is it canon? We don't know but kishi definitely showed more emotion in the movie than any form of the manga and anime ever did from what others have told me (avoiding spoilers bless them, I cannot wait for the subs).

The movie is mainly Naruto and his bond with his parents he never felt and Sakura feeling what Naruto never had. The focus on each other is secondary. Even still Naruto and Sakura really show their true colors to each other, their relationship just that deep.

All I can say to the upset NH, SS, and ANS fans th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif 111189.gif boogie.gif boogie.gif boogie.gif 111193.gif 111193.gif

From what others have said to me about the movie spoiler free it sounds like wow.png

Don't mean to sound bad and smug but this is just funny in spite of this complaining they put on despite the emotion and friendship Naruto and Sakura show to each other.

I'm sure Hinata would have had a better role if she came to the alternate world with Naruto but guess what Kishi chose Sakura and gave her the other main role in this movie. Its for this reason they claim its the worst ever written and has no actual purpose like the other movies (which is the exact opposite, this is the only movie close to the canon realm).

Does this ultimately prove how bad some NaruHina fans can be? A bit, but its just funny how extreme they are acting for now and still trying to justify NaruHina even for something they call non-canon. They are making their own contradictions for something like this, why bother complaining if its non-canon?

As others have said, this is the type of movie with an adventure the hero goes on with the heroine, not a side character. If NaruSaku is not canon after a movie as emotional like this, all I can say is you failed us Kishi and yourself. This movie shows just the best essence of the relationship Naruto has between his parents and Sakura. Nothing Hinata could do can top this, and if this is a non-canon movie guess what, it can be topped canonically. This is the biggest non-canon string of moments, so much its better than chp 615 a_dance.gif and it CAN AND WILL BE TOPPED.

I just cannot wait for this movie, for now I'll endulge myself in the humorus complaints of NaruHina and SasuSaku fans making asses out of themselves (only the rabbid ones not the rare logical ones).

The only reason many fans are going crazy against is movie is for one simple reason: Hinata is not the heroine and they cannot accept that Sakura is.


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