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[luffyq1]

It was something like Sakura was too kind to get in the way of naruhina.

i can see a school days ending to this movie. sakura helps naruto with hinata, but naruto realizes he still loves sakura and cheats on hinata. that's when hinata will lose her mind and naruto will feel guilty about cheating on her. sakura realizes she could very well lose naruto, so she claims to be pregnant by naruto. eventually this movie will end with hinata on a boat snuggling the head of naruto.

[hinataiscreepy]

So NH/SS only happened for two reasons confirmed by Kishimoto:
1. Sakura didn't want to be "cruel" to Hinata.
2. He didn't want Sakura to look like a "terrible woman" for switching from Sasuke to Naruto.
...I don't know whether to be enraged or feeling slightly better.
Hinata and Sasuke truly kittened up this series/Naruto and Sakura's love.

 

That definetely "explains" why Hinata looked happy when Sakura hugged him in front of everyone in a romantic way (people effing blushed around them). She could not live with it that she smiled warmly...
 

[Nefertieh]

It turn out to be Hinata is so popular that it could change a direction of story.
Just my opinion.

That's exactly what it sounded like to me as well. =_= It also sounds incredibly misogynistic.

[rocci]

That's exactly what it sounded like to me as well. =_= It also sounds incredibly misogynistic.

I agree with that.

[咲耶姫]

Some kanji are blurry so I couldn't translate the whole first paragraph.

I'll also do the rest of the article if I have time and if it hsn't be done before.

 

Hinata loves Naruto since her early childhood, but because of her shyness she......

 

Concerning Hinata who shows an attitude that lacks some selfconfidence, following Naruto's example, Naruto also carries a good feeling/ favourable impression. 

 

After his come back from his long training, Hinata is too shy to meet Naruto. Her feelings haven't changed.

 

Hinata confesses to Naruto during Pain event, it's the first time she expresses directly her feelings. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 21 November 2014 - 04:24 AM.

[Nefertieh]

The degradation of the titular character's goals and interests are astounding. Never before have I read a piece of fiction where the main character was just thrown to the wayside in the last chapter, epilogue, and this farce of a movie. The facts are that it doesn't matter when Kishimoto decided on the final pairings. If there was some sort of progression towards the endgame pairings. The story would have been MUCH MORE digestible and the ending would have made sense. The red herrings that Kishi gave us are insulting to the characters he created and the relationships they had, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Obito/Rin, and most importantly Minato/Kushina. 
 
The travesty of this is that the writer of a series would go to extreme lengths to keep the fans guessing. An old friend of mine who happened to get in to Naruto the same time as me has a degree in English with a specialization in creative writing. He's currently aiming for a PhD in English. We happened to run into each other and caught up, one of our common interest were this manga and he too was shocked with the ending and he's not even a shipper at all He broached several topics, but one of the main ones we discussed was the artwork. I don't know how much depicting literal foreshadowing plays in Japanese culture but showing mirror panels EVERYWHERE would give an educated individual such as him a great sense where the story was headed...... NOPE. 
 
Another issue he had was with the whole "pale love" Naruto had for Sakura. He heavily criticized Kishi for showing the CPR scene. He said, and I quote, "The literal symbolicism of a girl holding a boy's heart in her hands means that his heart is devoted to her, the fact that she beats it for him just compounds that fact that she is his reason for living." While I thought that was pretty strong a statement I couldn't really deny it.
 
The artwork of this manga and the anime are completely counter intuitive to what Kishi wrote and/or planned. We both concluded that Kishi's writing skills should be called into question and any future works should be looked at with a grain of salt. A self respecting writer who should care for his fans has a duty to write a clear concise story that flows well so that his fans understand the story first and foremost. 
 
We also both agreed that if Kishi wasn't good at writing romance, he should have never delved so deep into it in the first place. Fact is he couldn't conclude the love triangle properly withing 700 chapters and 15 years of writing this manga. Using a movie to show how the romance developed for the MAIN CHARACTER further exacerbates this thought. Even now, we are getting hints that they are embarrassed drawing these "romantic scenes". Kishimoto and his team bit off more than they could chew and are now backtracking like nobody's business in order to make this all seem plausible. 
 
The Naruto fandom will probably only get a true answer of what really went through Kishimoto's head well after Part 3 has ended. Many writers such as JK Rowling, and Akira Toriyama have done so, explaining what they might have done differently or if they were indeed pressured to change the story to cater to the masses.

Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing with the parallelisms. Parallels so not apply specifically to narusaku -- Naruto and Sasuke's brotherly bond was also relentlessly compared to Indra/ Asura and Madara/ Hashirama.

There was absolutely no point giving Naruto and Sakura so much screentime and foreshadowing together if he had planned to have them marry other people in the end. He just couldn't find the guts to go through with what he started.

[Lilac]

So, I've seen two translations floating around. Either there's some sort of implication about Hinata and that would make Sakura terrible, because she loved Naruto, or it would make Sakura terrible because switching over to Naruto after being so 'whole heartedly' for Sasuke would make her look that way. Both seem heavily shipping tampered lol

[tricksie]

Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing with the parallelisms. Parallels so not apply specifically to narusaku -- Naruto and Sasuke's brotherly bond was also relentlessly compared to Indra/ Asura and Madara/ Hashirama.

There was absolutely no point giving Naruto and Sakura so much screentime and foreshadowing together if he had planned to have them marry other people in the end. He just couldn't find the guts to go through with what he started.

 

Yes, and I think in the end he wasn't man enough to stand behind the empowered woman he created. He had to dial her back because she was 'too severe.' Of all the characters Sakura is the one he has consistently defended or apologized for in interviews.

 

She is the only one that is picked on and picked over. She is the only one that gets this treatment, not Naruto who is never tested, nor Sasuke who is never responsible for his truly terrible behaviors. And not Hinata who just passively worships the hero, to the point that her only actions in the story are for him, and him only. None of them get an iota of attention, but always Sakura.

 

I think on one hand Kishimoto is wrote her as a modern, determined, honest girl, as he said in an interview long ago. But I think outside pressure and his own discomfort with the idea of an empowered woman taking the lead won out in the end. He couldn't take it. It didn't fit in with whatever stereotype for women's roles he had in his mind.

 

And now, Kishimoto's not only demoted Sakura to the Part 1 girl with a crush who accepts Sasuke no matter how badly he's treated her (699), he's given the final illustration of her in the manga as a housekeeper/housewife (700). He's put her in a role that's against everything she ever wanted in the manga. And now in the movie, her biggest promotion was in the release of her sketches with Naruto's in Kishimoto's final troll pairing them together for the last time. We haven't seen her since then. It's been all about Hinata.

 

He's so uncomfortable with Sakura's empowerment, he's got to render her irrelevant to the storyline. It's all about passive Hinata, in a passive romance movie that sounds like a terrible fanfic. She's kidnapped and that's what awakens Naruto's hidden feelings? Come on, how much more passive can you get?

 

At some point he didn't just decide to make the ending NH. He decided to use Sakura to dupe the audience into sticking around till then end. He even used his main character as a plot device, with his devotion to Sakura registering a loyalty with fans that Kishimoto knew he would never honor. 

 

Only Sasuke gets what he never wanted. And Hinata gets what she doesn't deserve. 

 

Sakura and Naruto are left out in the cold.

 

You're right. Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing, building up NS over and over again, reinforcing it with parallels and moments together. He was building it up for a bait and switch, using half his fan base to make some extra money on the opposing shippers.

 

In the end, I don't think Kishimoto supports any pairing. Because he didn't care to develop SS or NH at all. I really think he just doesn't care.

 

The movie animators are doing this movie, not Kishimoto. And the marketing promos are coming from other people, not him. So the release of a book that sums up 700 chapters in 15 pages, connecting the dots for a cheat sheet to an NH romance that was never there, means nothing to him. Because he doesn't care. About NS, NH or SS.

 

If he cared he could have developed any of it in the intervening years. But he didn't.

 

The only thing he's proved that he does care about is not making the female roles to strong or self-actualized. Mass murder, obscene violence, emotional rejection, psychopathy, abuse of children, medical experiments, even stealing eyeballs — all things that Kishimoto has never once apologized for. But Sakura? She's 'too severe.' 

 

Sakura's not the problem. Kishimoto is.

[Ether]

Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing with the parallelisms.

I don't think he knew what he was doing at all, just following whatever his "team" said.

 

So, I've seen two translations floating around. Either there's some sort of implication about Hinata and that would make Sakura terrible, because she loved Naruto, or it would make Sakura terrible because switching over to Naruto after being so 'whole heartedly' for Sasuke would make her look that way. Both seem heavily shipping tampered lol

No matter how you look at it, the implications are awful. So it doesn't even matter.

 

 

 

 

[trang95]

 

I still haven't translated the first two paragraph because it's a little blurry and the light is hidding some kanji. Also I don't have time to search what kanji is used here (I'm talking about the one I can't see). So I'll may do it later if Rikudou haven't done it yet. I'll also do the rest of the article if I have time.

 

Hinata loves Naruto since her early childhood, but because of her shyness she......

 

After his come back from his long training, Hinata is too shy to meet Naruto. Her feelings haven't changed.

 

Hinata confesses to Naruto during Pain event, it's the first time she expresses directly her feelings. 

 

So Naruto really goes on another journey... Has he forgotten about Sakura in that time or what?!

[Narufan85]

Yes, and I think in the end he wasn't man enough to stand behind the empowered woman he created. He had to dial her back because she was 'too severe.' Of all the characters Sakura is the one he has consistently defended or apologized for in interviews.
 
She is the only one that is picked on and picked over. She is the only one that gets this treatment, not Naruto who is never tested, nor Sasuke who is never responsible for his truly terrible behaviors. And not Hinata who just passively worships the hero, to the point that her only actions in the story are for him, and him only. None of them get an iota of attention, but always Sakura.
 
I think on one hand Kishimoto is wrote her as a modern, determined, honest girl, as he said in an interview long ago. But I think outside pressure and his own discomfort with the idea of an empowered woman taking the lead won out in the end. He couldn't take it. It didn't fit in with whatever stereotype for women's roles he had in his mind.
 
And now, Kishimoto's not only demoted Sakura to the Part 1 girl with a crush who accepts Sasuke no matter how badly he's treated her (699), he's given the final illustration of her in the manga as a housekeeper/housewife (700). He's put her in a role that's against everything she ever wanted in the manga. And now in the movie, her biggest promotion was in the release of her sketches with Naruto's in Kishimoto's final troll pairing them together for the last time. We haven't seen her since then. It's been all about Hinata.
 
He's so uncomfortable with Sakura's empowerment, he's got to render her irrelevant to the storyline. It's all about passive Hinata, in a passive romance movie that sounds like a terrible fanfic. She's kidnapped and that's what awakens Naruto's hidden feelings? Come on, how much more passive can you get?
 
At some point he didn't just decide to make the ending NH. He decided to use Sakura to dupe the audience into sticking around till then end. He even used his main character as a plot device, with his devotion to Sakura registering a loyalty with fans that Kishimoto knew he would never honor. 
 
Only Sasuke gets what he never wanted. And Hinata gets what she doesn't deserve. 
 
Sakura and Naruto are left out in the cold.
 
You're right. Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing, building up NS over and over again, reinforcing it with parallels and moments together. He was building it up for a bait and switch, using half his fan base to make some extra money on the opposing shippers.
 
In the end, I don't think Kishimoto supports any pairing. Because he didn't care to develop SS or NH at all. I really think he just doesn't care.
 
The movie animators are doing this movie, not Kishimoto. And the marketing promos are coming from other people, not him. So the release of a book that sums up 700 chapters in 15 pages, connecting the dots for a cheat sheet to an NH romance that was never there, means nothing to him. Because he doesn't care. About NS, NH or SS.
 
If he cared he could have developed any of it in the intervening years. But he didn't.
 
The only thing he's proved that he does care about is not making the female roles to strong or self-actualized. Mass murder, obscene violence, emotional rejection, psychopathy, abuse of children, medical experiments, even stealing eyeballs — all things that Kishimoto has never once apologized for. But Sakura? She's 'too severe.' 
 
Sakura's not the problem. Kishimoto is.

Out of likes for an awesome post.

[Ether]

So Naruto really goes on another journey... Has he forgotten about Sakura in that time or what?!

No, that's just referring to the timeskip from Part 1 to Part 2. The BS reason they went with is that Naruto is too dumb to comprehend what "I love you" means.

[trang95]

No, that's just referring to the timeskip from Part 1 to Part 2. The BS reason they went with is that Naruto is too dumb to comprehend what "I love you" means.

Oh, okay. It would have been weird to travel the world now that the war is over- unless he wanted to avoid Hinata.

[Nefertieh]

I don't think he knew what he was doing at all, just following whatever his "team" said.

 

He pulled off the Sasuke/ Naruto parallels off perfectly fine, he would have done the same for Naruto and Sakura. But he didn't, he was too scared people would see her as a homewrecker.

 

 

 

Yes, and I think in the end he wasn't man enough to stand behind the empowered woman he created. He had to dial her back because she was 'too severe.' Of all the characters Sakura is the one he has consistently defended or apologized for in interviews.

 

She is the only one that is picked on and picked over. She is the only one that gets this treatment, not Naruto who is never tested, nor Sasuke who is never responsible for his truly terrible behaviors. And not Hinata who just passively worships the hero, to the point that her only actions in the story are for him, and him only. None of them get an iota of attention, but always Sakura.

 

I think on one hand Kishimoto is wrote her as a modern, determined, honest girl, as he said in an interview long ago. But I think outside pressure and his own discomfort with the idea of an empowered woman taking the lead won out in the end. He couldn't take it. It didn't fit in with whatever stereotype for women's roles he had in his mind.

 

And now, Kishimoto's not only demoted Sakura to the Part 1 girl with a crush who accepts Sasuke no matter how badly he's treated her (699), he's given the final illustration of her in the manga as a housekeeper/housewife (700). He's put her in a role that's against everything she ever wanted in the manga. And now in the movie, her biggest promotion was in the release of her sketches with Naruto's in Kishimoto's final troll pairing them together for the last time. We haven't seen her since then. It's been all about Hinata.

 

He's so uncomfortable with Sakura's empowerment, he's got to render her irrelevant to the storyline. It's all about passive Hinata, in a passive romance movie that sounds like a terrible fanfic. She's kidnapped and that's what awakens Naruto's hidden feelings? Come on, how much more passive can you get?

 

At some point he didn't just decide to make the ending NH. He decided to use Sakura to dupe the audience into sticking around till then end. He even used his main character as a plot device, with his devotion to Sakura registering a loyalty with fans that Kishimoto knew he would never honor. 

 

Only Sasuke gets what he never wanted. And Hinata gets what she doesn't deserve. 

 

Sakura and Naruto are left out in the cold.

 

You're right. Kishimoto knew exactly what he was doing, building up NS over and over again, reinforcing it with parallels and moments together. He was building it up for a bait and switch, using half his fan base to make some extra money on the opposing shippers.

 

In the end, I don't think Kishimoto supports any pairing. Because he didn't care to develop SS or NH at all. I really think he just doesn't care.

 

The movie animators are doing this movie, not Kishimoto. And the marketing promos are coming from other people, not him. So the release of a book that sums up 700 chapters in 15 pages, connecting the dots for a cheat sheet to an NH romance that was never there, means nothing to him. Because he doesn't care. About NS, NH or SS.

 

If he cared he could have developed any of it in the intervening years. But he didn't.

 

The only thing he's proved that he does care about is not making the female roles to strong or self-actualized. Mass murder, obscene violence, emotional rejection, psychopathy, abuse of children, medical experiments, even stealing eyeballs — all things that Kishimoto has never once apologized for. But Sakura? She's 'too severe.' 

 

Sakura's not the problem. Kishimoto is.

 

It's all thanks to the anti-Sakura fanbase, really. It doesn't matter if her confession was all about saving her teammates, how dare she lie to him? 

 

If this manga has taught me anything, it's that mass murders with psychopathic tendencies get let off the hook thanks to their sob stories. They are misunderstood fallen angels. But god forbid a woman who lies!

 

I remember a thread on NF about a year ago, asking if Sakura was the most hated character or not. It was hilarious to see a lot of people reluctantly agree, considering there were genuinely terrible people in the story, whereas the majority of her hate stems either from her love or Sasuke or her being in the way of naruhina.

[AnimeGirl_123]

tbh, I really don't know. I'm just hoping that it really is the better translation ( not trying to offend our translators in here), b/c I refuse to believe Kishi would make such a disgusting comment about my favorite character.

 

 

Yeah l don't buy that new translation. Hamorebi, who's a native Japanese NS fan posted on tumblr about how pissed off she was at Kishimoto's "extremely misogynistic" (her own words) opinion and the idiots defending it with "cultural differences". l doubt a native speaker would misinterpret his words, so it means what it means. 

 

 

 

be careful with tumblr... you should rely more on people that you know, like megi indeed, or saguya-hime, or me, or ramen... Indeed ramen translated in kinda like me on that part too. Kishimoto is misogynous for sure. In his mind, a woman that has a change of him is terrible. No matter for who, the issue is still there.

 

Yeah, I'm sorry.  I don't believe that person with their translations.  It's the same person that tried to use the person1xperson2 when searching for popularity in Japan... They didn't know how to search Japanese pairings the right way.  

 

Kishi really did call Sakura a terrible girl for switching from Sasuke to Naruto and it's as simple as that.  Hinata has nothing to do with it.  The last line of the interview says that Sakura only has her mind set on Sasuke.  How in the world does that imply she loved Naruto? =/ It doesn't... 

 

 

Some kanji are blurry so I couldn't translate the whole first paragraph.

I'll also do the rest of the article if I have time and if it hsn't be done before.

 

Hinata loves Naruto since her early childhood, but because of her shyness she......

 

Concerning Hinata who shows an attitude that lacks some selfconfidence, following Naruto's example, Naruto also carries a good feeling/ favourable impression. 

 

After his come back from his long training, Hinata is too shy to meet Naruto. Her feelings haven't changed.

 

Hinata confesses to Naruto during Pain event, it's the first time she expresses directly her feelings. 

 

 Thank you for your translations. Much appreciated. <3

 

So, I've seen two translations floating around. Either there's some sort of implication about Hinata and that would make Sakura terrible, because she loved Naruto, or it would make Sakura terrible because switching over to Naruto after being so 'whole heartedly' for Sasuke would make her look that way. Both seem heavily shipping tampered lol

It's the second one, unfortunately.  Sakura being terrible has nothing to do with Hinata.  I've read like 5 different translations and all but that one on tumblr say Sakura is terrible if she switched her feelings, not because she felt bad for Hinata. Even our own translators think its this so why trust that tumblr person over them? It's bad news, but that's all we have been getting since that NH CD cover came out.  It's nothing surprising...

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Sakura's not the problem. Kishimoto is.

 

I hear that, Tricksie!

[AnimeGirl_123]

More stuff if anyone even WANTS to see..... LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by AnimeGirl_123, 21 November 2014 - 05:01 AM.

[MangaReader]

Sakura's taller then Hinata... haha

 

Anyway, the Scarf to lead them all with the POWER OF LOVE!!!