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[Aizen-Sama]

I hate naruhina. Never ever will I ship it.
This alone should piss off NH fandom hehehe.

[Narufan85]

The degradation of the titular character's goals and interests are astounding. Never before have I read a piece of fiction where the main character was just thrown to the wayside in the last chapter, epilogue, and this farce of a movie. The facts are that it doesn't matter when Kishimoto decided on the final pairings. If there was some sort of progression towards the endgame pairings. The story would have been MUCH MORE digestible and the ending would have made sense. The red herrings that Kishi gave us are insulting to the characters he created and the relationships they had, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Obito/Rin, and most importantly Minato/Kushina. 
 
The travesty of this is that the writer of a series would go to extreme lengths to keep the fans guessing. An old friend of mine who happened to get in to Naruto the same time as me has a degree in English with a specialization in creative writing. He's currently aiming for a PhD in English. We happened to run into each other and caught up, one of our common interest were this manga and he too was shocked with the ending and he's not even a shipper at all He broached several topics, but one of the main ones we discussed was the artwork. I don't know how much depicting literal foreshadowing plays in Japanese culture but showing mirror panels EVERYWHERE would give an educated individual such as him a great sense where the story was headed...... NOPE. 
 
Another issue he had was with the whole "pale love" Naruto had for Sakura. He heavily criticized Kishi for showing the CPR scene. He said, and I quote, "The literal symbolicism of a girl holding a boy's heart in her hands means that his heart is devoted to her, the fact that she beats it for him just compounds that fact that she is his reason for living." While I thought that was pretty strong a statement I couldn't really deny it.
 
The artwork of this manga and the anime are completely counter intuitive to what Kishi wrote and/or planned. We both concluded that Kishi's writing skills should be called into question and any future works should be looked at with a grain of salt. A self respecting writer who should care for his fans has a duty to write a clear concise story that flows well so that his fans understand the story first and foremost. 
 
We also both agreed that if Kishi wasn't good at writing romance, he should have never delved so deep into it in the first place. Fact is he couldn't conclude the love triangle properly withing 700 chapters and 15 years of writing this manga. Using a movie to show how the romance developed for the MAIN CHARACTER further exacerbates this thought. Even now, we are getting hints that they are embarrassed drawing these "romantic scenes". Kishimoto and his team bit off more than they could chew and are now backtracking like nobody's business in order to make this all seem plausible. 
 
The Naruto fandom will probably only get a true answer of what really went through Kishimoto's head well after Part 3 has ended. Many writers such as JK Rowling, and Akira Toriyama have done so, explaining what they might have done differently or if they were indeed pressured to change the story to cater to the masses.

A wonderful post. I wish I had more likes.

[Aizen-Sama]

At least we still have Minato Yamato Kushina and Sai as our NaruSaku shippers. Also that little frog Gamakichi. <3
Just hope the The Last Asspull doesn't kitten on that.

[Xan]

I dont have to see this movie to say that RTN WAS by far the better movie hell this last movie may actually be the worst considering how things are going.

[Comy]

Kishi officially climbed up to first place, in my worst writer rankings. 

[Serenity Namikaze]

At least we still have Minato Yamato Kushina and Sai as our NaruSaku shippers. Also that little frog Gamakichi. <3
Just hope the The Last Asspull doesn't kitten on that.

 

I really hope so, let NH and SS have their asspulls filler moments in this crappy movie and stay out of what was for Naruto and Sakura.

[NS4Life]

Kishi flat out exposed himself as a MISOGYNYIST.

Wow. There is no way he planned NH a while ago.

This is easier to swallow. I thought kishi was sellout, but he is scum. He never gave up on his wife, but naruto did.

I went from not feeling anything to despising kishi.

I can't see how anyone can defend him after the terrible women comment.

Like someone because they are hot, so you have to now love them and wait on them. What Fing PIG. Bet you he has his wife walk behind him.

[NS4Life]

The degradation of the titular character's goals and interests are astounding. Never before have I read a piece of fiction where the main character was just thrown to the wayside in the last chapter, epilogue, and this farce of a movie. The facts are that it doesn't matter when Kishimoto decided on the final pairings. If there was some sort of progression towards the endgame pairings. The story would have been MUCH MORE digestible and the ending would have made sense. The red herrings that Kishi gave us are insulting to the characters he created and the relationships they had, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Obito/Rin, and most importantly Minato/Kushina. 
 
The travesty of this is that the writer of a series would go to extreme lengths to keep the fans guessing. An old friend of mine who happened to get in to Naruto the same time as me has a degree in English with a specialization in creative writing. He's currently aiming for a PhD in English. We happened to run into each other and caught up, one of our common interest were this manga and he too was shocked with the ending and he's not even a shipper at all He broached several topics, but one of the main ones we discussed was the artwork. I don't know how much depicting literal foreshadowing plays in Japanese culture but showing mirror panels EVERYWHERE would give an educated individual such as him a great sense where the story was headed...... NOPE. 
 
Another issue he had was with the whole "pale love" Naruto had for Sakura. He heavily criticized Kishi for showing the CPR scene. He said, and I quote, "The literal symbolicism of a girl holding a boy's heart in her hands means that his heart is devoted to her, the fact that she beats it for him just compounds that fact that she is his reason for living." While I thought that was pretty strong a statement I couldn't really deny it.
 
The artwork of this manga and the anime are completely counter intuitive to what Kishi wrote and/or planned. We both concluded that Kishi's writing skills should be called into question and any future works should be looked at with a grain of salt. A self respecting writer who should care for his fans has a duty to write a clear concise story that flows well so that his fans understand the story first and foremost. 
 
We also both agreed that if Kishi wasn't good at writing romance, he should have never delved so deep into it in the first place. Fact is he couldn't conclude the love triangle properly withing 700 chapters and 15 years of writing this manga. Using a movie to show how the romance developed for the MAIN CHARACTER further exacerbates this thought. Even now, we are getting hints that they are embarrassed drawing these "romantic scenes". Kishimoto and his team bit off more than they could chew and are now backtracking like nobody's business in order to make this all seem plausible. 
 
The Naruto fandom will probably only get a true answer of what really went through Kishimoto's head well after Part 3 has ended. Many writers such as JK Rowling, and Akira Toriyama have done so, explaining what they might have done differently or if they were indeed pressured to change the story to cater to the masses.

Excellent.

Like I said, this manga is sasuke.

[trang95]

Guys, there is a better and clearer translation on tumblr now: http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

[Lilac]

...

 

The main character's mentor was a man who perved on naked women without their consent

The main character turned into a naked, large breasted woman as an attack

A female character was told not to die because she had to give birth

Kakashi dismisses Sakura at first by saying 'girls that age only think about romance'

The majority of the villains were male, and the one main female villain had an irrational motive-She didn't want to bring peace through twisted means, she didn't want to get revenge for her family being slaughtered, she didn't want to be useful to the one she loved, no, her motive was materialistic.

 

Naruto wasn't pro-female before he made NH canon, lol...

Edited by Lilac, 21 November 2014 - 12:53 AM.

[Nar123]

...

 

The main character's mentor was a man who perved on naked women without their consent

The main character turned into a naked, large breasted woman as an attack

A female character was told not to die because she had to give birth

Kakashi dismisses Sakura at first by saying 'girls that age only think about romance'

The majority of the villains were male, and the one main female villain had an irrational motive-She didn't want to bring peace through twisted means, she didn't want to get revenge for her family being slaughtered, she didn't want to be useful to the one she loved, no, her motive was materialistic.

 

Naruto wasn't pro-female before he made NH canon, lol...

 

 

You'e right, Kishi is a shame when writing about female chars.

I mean look a Hinata, Sakura,Kurenai... look at Konan! The only woman of the akatsuki relegated to nagato's assitant while he was wrecking havoc with the peins 

 

It's a shame, naruto (the series) will be forever know as a huge wasted potential...

Edited by Nar123, 21 November 2014 - 12:59 AM.

[rinali24]

Guys, there is a better and clearer translation on tumblr now: http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

 

This makes me hate Hinata's character even more. So basically, NS couldn't happen because poor little Hinata's feelings would get hurt.

 

There's more to Hinata's life than Naruto ffs. Kishi could have written her in a way that empowers women. He could have written how she realizes that NS loves each other and decides bow out and move on. He could have her fall in love with someone else too. He could have her focus on getting stronger for herself and for her family. 

 

But of course, women is inferior and is only there as a plot device to men in Kishi's eyes. kitten him and kitten his interview

[Havikinazuma]

Guys, there is a better and clearer translation on tumblr now: http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

So NS didn't happen because Sakura was being a good friend to Hinata? She didn't feel cruel about Sasuke all these years.

BS! This is on some dumb kitten...

Edited by Havikinazuma, 21 November 2014 - 01:06 AM.

[Nar123]

A NH fan once told me that even though Sakura could be a b*tch at times, she wouldn't be enough of a b*tch to get in the way between Naruto and Hinata. This honestly makes me feel better but, I still think that maybe this site should be shut down or move away from NARUTO entirely. A site where maybe we can talk about other mangas/animes. I want to forget about all of this because I feel like everything from now on will only makes us depressed or angry and will only increase our hatred for the series.

 

oh no need to, NS might not be canon but there is no reason to forget about it 

[AnimeGirl_123]

Guys, there is a better and clearer translation on tumblr now: http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

Are you sure about this? None of the NF translators or anyone on that site interpreted it this way not even neutrals. And I don't think most of them care about pairings.

[Xan]

 

This makes me hate Hinata's character even more. So basically, NS couldn't happen because poor little Hinata's feelings would get hurt.

 

There's more to Hinata's life than Naruto ffs. Kishi could have written her in a way that empowers women. He could have written how she realizes that NS loves each other and decides bow out and move on. He could have her fall in love with someone else too. He could have her focus on getting stronger for herself and for her family. 

 

But of course, women is inferior and is only there as a plot device to men in Kishi's eyes. kitten him and kitten his interview

 

I couldnt agree more hinata will now be seen as a weak woman........and I did not want that for her but when her whole life seems to wrap around naruto she just shows truely what a pathetic person she is, and that is sad. Kishi destroyed his ending. 

[TsukiChan ♥]

Guys, there is a better and clearer translation on tumblr now: http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

 

so....we were actually gonna happen...but because of this kitten...we weren't able to be canon??

.....What's a feeling stronger than hate? because this is how I feel towards Hinata..

[TsukiChan ♥]

So she actually had feelings for Naruto...we were actually right but couldn't happen cause of Hinata?? lol, I might not give up on this series after all after knowing this now

[rocci]

In other word, Hinata is so popular that it could change the direction of a story.

Edited by rocci, 21 November 2014 - 01:14 AM.