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#1261 Daissuke

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 08:38 PM

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We have the KN4 incident itself, the event that has "blown" all the other pairings away in terms of "romance". I'd agree that it'd probably had "romance" since the scene illustrates the pain Naruto feels with Sasuke gone, but since we know that Narusasu is a bond of deep brotherhood it isn't romance. "But Sakura ran after him to stop Naruto and promised to save Sasuke for him thus she's given up her feelings for Sasuke", yes it is true when Naruto went KN4 she ran after him and promised to help him save Sasuke and that he wouldn't have to do it anymore, but this doesn't mean she's given up her feelings for Sasuke. Why? The chapter explains her motivation behind trying to stop him, she flashes back to the time she promised that she'd help retrieve Sasuke with him and also to the promise of a lifetime, she believed it was her fault for Naruto being this way, the fact that she wasn't strong enough to retrieve Sasuke on her own, ultimately the theme of being only human plays in Sakura, the fact that she believes she's done so little in the effort to retrieve Sasuke. Ultimately pitying Naruto, something he doesn't want, that he's done so much to get Sasuke back when she's done so little, believing it was her fault that Naruto was like this causing her to foolishly rush in.

However in actuality is this really the truth for Naruto, is he really giving a damn about the promise so much that it's transforming him into a monster. The answer, no, we see what is on Naruto's mind moments before the transformation, it's Sasuke, Naruto feels that he's so out of reach and constantly reaches for him following him. He can't bare Oro's taunts, that it was Sasuke's choice to leave, he refuses to believe it, and with this despair the Kyuubi takes over. Now, with the seperate thoughts of how these two are in the KN4 it shows a lack of understanding, Sakura pities Naruto and believes it's her fault that Naruto is pushing himself so hard to retrieve Sasuke when this is not true. Naruto is pushing himself so hard to find Sasuke not because of the promise but because he himself loves Sasuke, he was the first bond he ever had, the first person to truly acknowledge him, and he refuses to lose him to someone like Oro. For the KN4 scene actually being so "Narusaku" it is so Sasuke centric, so Sasusaku and Sasunaru centric, so team 7 centric, Sakura is pitying Naruto because she believes it is her fault that she's placed a huge burden on him retrieving Sasuke due to her inability to do so and Naruto is falling deeper into the darkness without Sasuke. Kishi showed us in a joking matter how Sasuke's departure effected them but in this scene he's shown just how badly Sasuke's departure has torn at these two, at the bonds that were once team 7. Notice that this scene ultimately had nothing to do with the possible "romance" between Naruto and Sakura but on team 7's bonds.

Ok, so the KN4 scene didn't deliver on the romance for Narusaku so what about Yamato's words on Sakura's feelings for Naruto that has to be love. Yeah it would be.....if it actually made sense in that context. "Don't worry Sakura if Naruto goes KN4 again just smex him with all your luv". I'm sorry but this makes no sense since if Sakura even tried this she'd be killed. What Yamato talked about was something that has always been a main issue for Sakura and her character, her self-confidence. Sakura, like Hinata but somewhat differently, has always had issues with her confidence at first it was her forehead and her physical appearance, but now it's her strength and usefulness to her team. She wants to be useful hence why she trained so hard in the timeskip, she wanted to be useful to her precious people, Sasuke and Naruto. Notice that this theme has been a repeated theme in Naruto, a desire to be useful for your precious ones, a theme that has been replayed with Haku, Naruto, Sasuke, Kimmimaro, and has also been played with Sakura only thing is her's is more deeper than that. With Sakura's desire to be useful come two other things, a theme in constant appearance is the desire for aknowledgement and the other that played in this scene that Lee shares with Sakura is the theme of being only human.

Sakura's is distraught over Naruto's condition and asks if Yamato could teach her the suppression tech and Yamato says she can't so she goes into a short despair saying all she can do are the little things and Yamato says her feelings for Naruto are all that matter. Now many went "OMG SHE LUVS HIM", once again it would be true if this was actually the case in context. What is playing is Sakura's representation of being only human, on how limited we human beings, we can only do so much for the people we care for- note the wanting to be useful for your precious ones playing with this theme as well-that once we humans have finally reached our limit in assistance and yet still desire to do more, like Sakura, we break at the realization of our limitations and fall into despair. What Yamato was addressing was her issue of self-confidence and her theme of humanity, that as long as we've truly given it our all our efforts are not in vain. And with this little lesson Sakura's issue with her self-confidence is patched up for the time being yet this isn't the last time we see this side of Sakura since this inner conflict has yet to be resolved.

And so with this it seems that KN4 scene never was meant to be interpreted as the Narusaku scene that many seem to have seen, but more of a team 7 and Sakura related scene, and that Yamato was never addressing any "romantic feelings" that Sakura herself isn't aware of in the first place, but the issues that Sakura herself is always conflicted with, her self-confidence and being only human and not a power freak like Sasuke or Naruto.

1) Love isn't limited to age: Ignoring Sakura's feelings
Sakura behaved towards Sasuke in a more gentler manner yet that was chalked up as a crush whereas her behavior [towards Naruto], which really hasn't changed all that much is now love? I just don't see it and no manifesto will change that. Just because Sakura isn't professing her love for Sasuke and isn't building a shrine while he's away doesn't mean her feelings have changed. She has yet to relinquish them at all. Her feelings are considered as childish, yet she's old enough to kill which makes no sense whatsoever. The defense towards Sakura's feelings is more out of fear that it's as deep as Kishi-san has shown and that it's possible that they [her feelings] can become reflected in return by Sasuke in the end - but to get rid of that possibility why not make Sasuke into a emo homosexual or ship him off with some random girl he doesn't even like/knows. If Sakura falls for Naruto, what's going to stop her from not falling for some other guy. In reality, Naruto is no knight in shining armor and his antics drive her up to wall to a point that a punch to the head solves the feeling of annoyance. So if a nice, mellow boy comes along that doesn't anger her, well let's just say someone will be left holding the ramen bowl.

(2) Magnify: Making Naruto's crush into nonexistent love.
Considering no one, not even Naruto, takes his crush seriously should be a big damper on this 'canon'. One would think Kishi-san knows all about his characters feelings since he has yet to make Naruto pursuit Sakura in a serious manner. He asks for dates but they're either declined, Sasuke related, or turned into a comical relief and far from romantic. It's true that Naruto still likes her and it's true Sakura admires Naruto, but she admires other people as well. Admiring someone doesn't always equal love.

(3) Ignoring: The disregard to other character's feelings.
It's not impossible that Sasuke can fall in love. Although the idea that he's homosexual based upon the fact that he's not drooling over girls or trying to smex half his fan club and instead is forming a friendship with Naruto and his teammates while being solely focused upon his main goal - revenge. Or there's the overuse of the term "emo" which now I doubt the real meaning is even understood since Sasuke doesn't even snuggly fit into that category. The boy is confused, vengeful, angry, and emotionally unstable which, considering what happened and how things occurred, is understandable. Sasuke coped how he could, burying all feelings but hatred to a point that when he acted outside of that shell of his, it confused him (Episode 18). For Sasuke to pretend everything was okay and behave like he was before the massacre wouldn't be believable and honestly, a bit disturbing considering how much he loved his family. I find it admirable that he's different from boys his age and that he shows his family and what happened to them is something that truly affected him. He cannot be like Naruto and Sakura because that ability to see the bright side of things, to be able to find it easier to forgive, to be content with how things are, is out of his reach now that everything he once loved was ripped away from him.

Sasuke has proven that he cares for Sakura, just because he doesn't say the words doesn't mean he thinks of her as just any other girl. He treats her differently compared to other females he's come in contact with. He's more open to seeking comfort from her and showing his weak side (Forest of Death), has confided in her (Bell test), bothered that he worried her (Chuunin exams) [and Naruto], wanted Naruto to run as far as he could to save Sakura while he distracted Gaara, had a look of dejection when he recalled telling Sakura Naruto was the one that saved her, and even respected her enough to listen to her instead of just knocking her out from the start (Goodbye scene). Sasuke has come a long way since the start of the series in regards to his teammates. He's more open to trusting, feeling emotions, and even finding amusement. Despite team Hawk witnessing a very emotional time for him, their relationship as teammates have yet to get close like that of team seven. And despite the recent chapter, I don't see Sasuke suddenly falling for some other girl whose fan girling antics have yet to change.

Hinata is yet another obstacle in NaruSaku. It's no secret to everyone, well Naruto is the exception, that she has feelings for a certain knucklehead ninja. Like Sakura, Hinata grew because of her feelings and tried to change herself as a ninja steadily but surely partly due to Naruto's nindo and her own inner desires. She wishes for acknowledgment, like lots of the characters in the series, from Naruto. Her feelings have gotten stronger considering her response to Naruto since the time jump. I hardly consider that a coincidence and it also supports the idea of Sakura's feelings transcending time as well considering her response to Sasuke when they first meet after nearly three years.

(3) He said, She said: Unreliable characters and misinterpreting text
Yamato. Yamato. Yamato. Until recently I never knew how infamous he was for his 'love advice' with the "in reality" speech. In reality, it's BS. He was not talking about Sakura and Naruto in a romantic sense, in fact, he was giving her more of a cheering up talk, not trying to set two ninjas up in a relationship. Honestly, why would he care? There's no sexual tension that's blocking their concentration to begin with. Sakura was bothered by the fact that even with her new strength she still felt useless to Naruto and keeping their promise. Then there's Dr. Tsunade, who was allegedly talking about Sakura not making her mistake and to 'hook up' with Naruto. Why is Dan suddenly a mistake when she loved him so deeply? If it's because of the sake, then one may as well blame her brother and everything else tragically that happens as a ninja. Again, NS bull. Another is Jirayai, who is become infamous like Jirayai since Naruto must 'succeed' where he failed in love. Jirayai was not even speaking about that, but because he talked about his unrequited relationship with Tsunade it was again assumed - and you know what they say about assuming, right? Yet it's funny how she's supposedly supporting NaruSaku, yet she makes no effort to put them together even in moments of grief. The fact is Sakura cannot understand Naruto's sense of lost nor can he understand her feelings of love towards Sasuke since he wasn't there that night.

(4) Complete: They're perfectly fine as friends, never a couple!
Why does Naruto need to have Sakura? He doesn't need her to breathe nor does she need him for that either. Just because Naruto is a main character, yeah the series may be named after him but he shares the limelight these days, doesn't mean he deserves Sakura. He doesn't deserve her, no one deserves anyone because people are not prizes to be won. Sure, he's had a bad childhood, but he's not the only one. If love was given out for accomplishes to the underdogs or just to anyone for that matter, it would be chaos since more than one person has liked Sakura and have not had an easy childhood (Lee, Naruto).

Try as Sakura might, she simply cannot change Naruto and being with him as his girlfriend/lover/wife would do nothing for her character and would just be plain cruel to both of them. There's no love. Naruto has yet to confess any feelings of love or anything past kinship, friendship, and a crush. He admits he finds her attractive and wishes to date her, but that's it. Hell, his official profile has yet to change yet it's supposedly love. Even in his data books, she's not considered anything more than a friend and at most a crush, yet with Sakura there's details in regards to her deep affections and love for Sasuke right up until their farewell.


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Posted 07 October 2008 - 05:28 PM

*headesk* I'm not countering all of this because I'm lazy, but it's still worth countering, I think.
QUOTE ('NF stolen')
We have the KN4 incident itself, the event that has "blown" all the other pairings away in terms of "romance".... Notice that this scene ultimately had nothing to do with the possible "romance" between Naruto and Sakura but on team 7's bonds.

I wonder why it's so easily forgotten that at the very beginning of chapter 296, Sakura was shown flashing back to the boy Naruto was and how he's grown into the young man that he is. Her emotions, from fantranslation, is described as "an overwhelming anxiety". She's filled with a feeling of dread from witnessing Naruto's being, first and foremost. How is this proven? Sakura holds her hand over the heart of her top and squeezes it with a pained "Naruto..."
So, seeing a berserk Naruto has effected Sakura to the extent that she's emotionally hurt by the sight of it. It's AFTER Kabuto continues to speak that Sakura flashes back to Naruto's promises and decides she can't take anymore of Kabuto's taunting and runs to Naruto. If anything, this scene suggests how much more important Naruto has become to Sakura and how much closer she feels toward him. So, no, this scene is not "Sasuke-centric".
I don't understand where "she wasn't strong enough to retrieve Sasuke on her own" comes into play. While Sasuke was Naruto's main objective, he was not for Sakura. Why? Sasuke was never shown from her perspective. The only time he was mentioned was when she said she'll save him for Naruto; for Naruto's sake, not her own. Thus, the whole "Team 7 bond focus" is thwarted; Sakura has never shown to think of Sasuke individually like she did Naruto. Like I said, Naruto's condition is what Sakura was focused on, NOT Sasuke's retrieval.
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Ok, so the KN4 scene didn't deliver on the romance for Narusaku so what about Yamato's words on Sakura's feelings for Naruto that has to be love. With Sakura's desire to be useful come two other things, a theme in constant appearance is the desire for aknowledgement and the other that played in this scene that Lee shares with Sakura is the theme of being only human.


Sakura doesn't desire acknowledgement anymore because she got the acknowledgement she craved. It wasn't from the person she originally wanted it to be from, but she still received it. This is what made Sakura's attitude toward Naruto change so drastically. She wanted to be noticed, and someone - specifically Naruto - noticed her.

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Sakura's is distraught over Naruto's condition and asks if Yamato could teach her the suppression tech and Yamato says she can't so she goes into a short despair saying all she can do are the little things and Yamato says her feelings for Naruto are all that matter... the issues that Sakura herself is always conflicted with, her self-confidence and being only human and not a power freak like Sasuke or Naruto.


Why is Sakura asking Yamato to teach her his technique not about how much she loves Naruto? The whole reason she trained was so she could help to protect Naruto, and to help him in bringing back Sasuke. Her request shows how much she wants to be the one to save Naruto because Naruto always saved her. Naruto is always the one helping her along, Sakura wants to be helpful for Naruto also. I can see her personal confidence wavering at this point, and it may be because she feels useless to Naruto, but why would she feel that way in the first place, because she wants to prove to Yamato how much of an asset she is to the team?
No, the "self-confidence" remark does not fit within the context of Yamato's speech, not when you take into consideration Sakura's desires to be helpful to Naruto when he needs it. Yamato strictly refers to "how strongly you (Sakura) feel toward Naruto". Feelings is the keyword in this lecture. Feelings are intimate, just like hugs and feeding a person are, only the main factor that separates feelings from the latter two are that feelings are on a more introspective level are not physical like hugs. A lot of the time we don't even know what our feelings are until much later.
This person stated that Sakura represents humanity, flaws, imperfection. Lack of confidence is not the defining characteristic of humanity; it's emotion. Feelings are what make a person human; feelings are the defining characteristic of an individual. Sakura's feelings are what makes her what she is, and at the moment Yamato tries to say something, what she is is confused. Sai also tried to comment about how Sakura treated Naruto, and she was somewhat confused by this also.

Again, I'm left confused; where does the "team 7" play into this if the scene was mainly "Sakura-centric"?
No, Sakura isn't "always conflicted with" her self-confidence issues. Sakura is "always conflicted" with the wellbeing of her team mates, both whom she happens to love. As most noted by her advancement in medical ninjutsu, she wants to be able to protect them from injury (because, according to Kishimoto, it's all a woman can excel at). Issues regarding her capability come as a side-effect when she thinks she's failed.


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Hinata is yet another obstacle in NaruSaku. It's no secret to everyone, well Naruto is the exception, that she has feelings for a certain knucklehead ninja. Like Sakura, Hinata grew because of her feelings and tried to change herself as a ninja steadily but surely partly due to Naruto's nindo and her own inner desires. She wishes for acknowledgment, like lots of the characters in the series, from Naruto. Her feelings have gotten stronger considering her response to Naruto since the time jump. I hardly consider that a coincidence and it also supports the idea of Sakura's feelings transcending time as well considering her response to Sasuke when they first meet after nearly three years.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to understand this. Wasn't it already established that "admiring someone doesn't always equal love"?
From what I recall, Hinata's never actually admitted that she crushes on Naruto; he's always described as "the person I admire". Regardless, why should Hinata be any different in romance than Sakrua? Is it because she blushes around her hero and acts like a perfectly well mannered Victorian woman? Don't even get me started on how much she's "grown". Even if Hinata did like Naruto in that way, what would make the other characters believe it was true? Kiba is baffled that Hinata fainted, Sakura simply remarked how Hinata was always watching Naruto. ... Uh? Baffle and casual conversation don't mix into the "hints" they throw at Naruto. I doubt anyone even realizes it. Naruto was a loser, no one liked him. Why would they think Hinata's opinion of him differed from theirs?
AGAIN, I fail to see where other characters desire Naruto's acknowledgment. It's always Naruto who works to achieve it and eventually gets it, isn't it?
And... Sakura's response to seeing Sasuke after two and a half years proves a 12-year-old "love"? She stopped dead and said a "Sasuke-kun". I don't understand how this specifically proves anything regarding Sakura's "love" for Sasuke... which, by the way, happens to be the thing that's totally blown out of proportion, along with Hinata's "love" for Naruto. These kids are twelve and hardly know the boys they're "involved" with. How does this equal love? Can we please, please, stop throwing around such a significant and intimate word all the time as if it's a doormat?

Now, as a close of total contradiction to my post, I'd just like it to be made known that:
In the end, we can describe the feelings Sakura portrays of the chapter 296 scene as "pity", "distress", "frustration", etc. We can describe it as purely NaruSaku, NaruSakuSasu, or NaruSasu/SakuSasu all we want. It does not, however, mean that any solid evidence will come from it. There's a reason this scene and the next scene are debateable: they were both left ambiguous. No one is going to know what these scenes truly meant until it's established later in the manga. So, this person really shouldn't use the word "ultimately", as it implies their "thoughts" are set in stone and are backed up by evidnece, which they are not. They're statements are about as farfetched as ours are.

As a little note to end this post with (because it bugs the kitten out of me):

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"Don't worry Sakura if Naruto goes KN4 again just smex him with all your luv"


Yes, because love is all about sexual attraction, rather than companionship and confidance; as opposed to the trust, the consideration, the sentilmentality two people show one another. Right, because NaruHina has been shown to have all of these strong bonds like NaruSaku has been shown to, and so has SakuSasu. This person is right. What on earth was I thinking??? facepalm.png

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Kitten @ Oct 7 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry, but I don't seem to understand this. Wasn't it already established that "admiring someone doesn't always equal love"?
From what I recall, Hinata's never actually admitted that she crushes on Naruto; he's always described as "the person I admire". Regardless, why should Hinata be any different in romance than Sakrua? Is it because she blushes around her hero and acts like a perfectly well mannered Victorian woman? Don't even get me started on how much she's "grown". Even if Hinata did like Naruto in that way, what would make the other characters believe it was true? Kiba is baffled that Hinata fainted, Sakura simply remarked how Hinata was always watching Naruto. ... Uh? Baffle and casual conversation don't mix into the "hints" they throw at Naruto. I doubt anyone even realizes it. Naruto was a loser, no one liked him. Why would they think Hinata's opinion of him differed from theirs?
AGAIN, I fail to see where other characters desire Naruto's acknowledgment. It's always Naruto who works to achieve it and eventually gets it, isn't it?
And... Sakura's response to seeing Sasuke after two and a half years proves a 12-year-old "love"? She stopped dead and said a "Sasuke-kun". I don't understand how this specifically proves anything regarding Sakura's "love" for Sasuke... which, by the way, happens to be the thing that's totally blown out of proportion, along with Hinata's "love" for Naruto. These kids are twelve and hardly know the boys they're "involved" with. How does this equal love? Can we please, please, stop throwing around such a significant and intimate word all the time as if it's a doormat?


Actually, one more thing to add to your comments.

Ask them to explain how Hinata is relevant, let alone significantly so, to anything that is happening in the story now. She's not. She could drop dead in the next chapter and it wouldn't significantly impact the story. The only way she's made relevant by the poster is by artificially boosting the relevance of her crush, which has been referenced in only one chapter since the Chuunin exams.

Even when her Team got it's chance as the tag-along team, it wasn't emphasized at all. She wasn't uniquely important at all. She didn't stand out and neither did her feelings. She was no more important than a single on of her teammates, including Shino. Even when they split up, nothing.

Ask them to explain if her crush is such a problem...why it got zero attention at that time. At least with SasuSaku, you know their going to interact again and you know it will be significant. You can certainly debate on the result, but it's going to happen. Hinata...not so much. There is no guarantee that any of the rookies (except Shikamaru who has always been the exception to this) will make another appearance until the end of the series and even if they do odds favor, at best, a cameo appearance. (I could see a mass village defense against Pein, similar to what we got in the Chuunin exams. In that case, all the rookies might make a brief appearance). They just aren't important anymore. Hinata included.

I here NaruSaku people at NF got some flak from NaruHina (and SasuSaku fans) about the databook. I put little stock in that since it can never account for what happens after it's written and because it's not going to spoil anything, meaning it almost has nothing definite regarding pairings. I understood SS fans excitement, but not NaruHina fans because if you believe what it says, it confirms precisely what NaruSaku fans have been saying about her for years.

To be honest, they can talk about her feelings and resolution and the like as much as they want. I'm not saying it won't happen, but when she actually matters again, I might buy it, but until then, I don't.

When she matters, then she might be a problem.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:45 PM

Ill add a further note in regards to Sakura and Sasuke as it relates to NaruSaku. I do believe that Sakura at this instance ""Loves"" sasuke. and there is a reason for it.

that reason is related to the bench scene. Sakura sitting there crushing on Sasuke and dreaming of an idealized sasuke complimenting ehr forehead and acknowledging her as she dreams it to be.

Naruto comes along and does so. This gives rise to a change in her crush from crush to love. But its a false and illusory love. the illusion being that the wrong person recognized and complimented and acknowledged her.

I still believe that this scene will come back into play sometimes into the future. There will come a moment of revelation for Sakura where she will realize the truth and it will make for a drastic reavaluation of her feelings for both of them.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:19 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Oct 7 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I here NaruSaku people at NF got some flak from NaruHina (and SasuSaku fans) about the databook. I put little stock in that since it can never account for what happens after it's written and because it's not going to spoil anything, meaning it almost has nothing definite regarding pairings. I understood SS fans excitement, but not NaruHina fans because if you believe what it says, it confirms precisely what NaruSaku fans have been saying about her for years.

To be honest, they can talk about her feelings and resolution and the like as much as they want. I'm not saying it won't happen, but when she actually matters again, I might buy it, but until then, I don't.

When she matters, then she might be a problem.

Thank you for bringing up Hinata's irrelevancy to the author's comments. I wanted to mention it (and Lee's, too), but I didn't quite know how to.

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Yeah, pretty much; especially after they had an "unbiased" translator give, for the most part, the exact same translation as Tora-chan in regards to couple shipment, they just provided a different interpretation to it. facepalm.png Then there's the relationships profile linking Sakura/Sasuke("loves"), Sakura/Naruto("thinks about frequently"), and Hinata/Naruto("admires") and the fact (is it fact?) that a lot of Sakura's profile included Sasuke.

I wonder, though; Karin's link to Sasuke held the exact same symbol as Sakura's did... So, if Sakura's says "love", then how does Karin's symbol translate? sweatdrop.gif

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QUOTE (Kitten @ Oct 7 2008, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for bringing up Hinata's irrelevancy to the author's comments. I wanted to mention it (and Lee's, too), but I didn't quite know how to.

Ah, how much visiting the aNS club amuses me.

Yeah, pretty much; especially after they had an "unbiased" translator give, for the most part, the exact same translation as Tora-chan in regards to couple shipment, they just provided a different interpretation to it. facepalm.png Then there's the relationships profile linking Sakura/Sasuke("loves"), Sakura/Naruto("thinks about frequently"), and Hinata/Naruto("admires") and the fact (is it fact?) that a lot of Sakura's profile included Sasuke.

I wonder, though; Karin's link to Sasuke held the exact same symbol as Sakura's did... So, if Sakura's says "love", then how does Karin's symbol translate? sweatdrop.gif


X-treemly obsessive fangirlism maybe? I know that for sure (shudders) not fun. I mean how would you like it if someone obsessed over your every move when all you did was go to the bathroom! Plus there are several really damn good manifestos for narusaku fans all over the place. While it's hard to drudge up one for almost every other pairing out there (save for shikatema, which is the only other likely pairing to actually happen)

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 06:32 AM

hey, if sakura had read hidden and secret files from tsunade's room, could she finally found out the real naruto's father? in other words, does she know who naruto's parents?

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 04:30 AM

If she knows, she hasn't mentioned it to him... which would be a downer to their relationship, since she's pretty much keeping from him some information he may have been wanting to know for the majority of his life.

I find it unlikely.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 02:32 AM

QUOTE (Kitten @ Dec 21 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If she knows, she hasn't mentioned it to him... which would be a downer to their relationship, since she's pretty much keeping from him some information he may have been wanting to know for the majority of his life.

I find it unlikely.


I doubt she knows. The way Tsunade and Jiriaya talked only a very few know. Just as it is possible that Sakura might have read some super secret document, it's also possible Ino did and Hinata, Tenten, Neji, and so on. It's all possible, but not likely.

There is no reason to believe they did just as there is no reason to believe Sakura did. Kishi hasn't so much hinted that she has.

You bring up another good point. Jiriaya ducks the issue by being dead, but what reason do they have to keep it from him? I've never heard a good justification for Jiriaya and Tsunade keeping the information from him. As you said, this would be even worse with Sakura. Unless, there is a damn good reason not to tell him, it looks kind of cruel.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 05:24 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Dec 22 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I doubt she knows. The way Tsunade and Jiriaya talked only a very few know. Just as it is possible that Sakura might have read some super secret document, it's also possible Ino did and Hinata, Tenten, Neji, and so on. It's all possible, but not likely.

There is no reason to believe they did just as there is no reason to believe Sakura did. Kishi hasn't so much hinted that she has.

You bring up another good point. Jiriaya ducks the issue by being dead, but what reason do they have to keep it from him? I've never heard a good justification for Jiriaya and Tsunade keeping the information from him. As you said, this would be even worse with Sakura. Unless, there is a damn good reason not to tell him, it looks kind of cruel.


The reason that seems most likely (and I think I've seen it in a few fanfics) is that it's part of the instructions of the Fourth. He may have wanted to avoid putting pressure on Naruto and requested that it be withheld until he reached maturity or something like that.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Nick Soapdish @ Dec 22 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason that seems most likely (and I think I've seen it in a few fanfics) is that it's part of the instructions of the Fourth. He may have wanted to avoid putting pressure on Naruto and requested that it be withheld until he reached maturity or something like that.


Hmm....probably so. If nothing else it tends to shift the burden to the Fourth, but at the same time, is that a good enough reason to let the child live for 15+ years think he had no parents? If Jiriaya and Tsunade has served as surrogates sooner it might be a little different, but Naruto has lived his entire life thinking he had none.

As a writer and for development purposes, I see why Kishimoto did it. It's far less impressive, if at the time of the chuunin exams everyone (including the readers) if instead of a no-name orphan who struggled, he is the son of one of the greatest ninja's to ever live. However, it seems far less justified to say that because he did not want the burden of his legacy on him, so let him believe that I had no parents. for 15 years.

My guess is Naruto will be understanding of it and not bitter. It's the type of person he is.

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 06:31 AM

Please check this out is hilariousSS & NS debate 2007
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Hopestar @ Feb 1 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please check this out is hilariousSS & NS debate 2007


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That was pretty damn funny.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Hopestar @ Feb 1 2009, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please check this out is hilariousSS & NS debate 2007


It's so True. XD Years of debate perfectly summed up in a comic. Ahh, reminds me of my debating days.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 03:57 AM

I found that photo months ago.
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It's so True. XD Years of debate perfectly summed up in a comic. Ahh, reminds me of my debating days.

(Am I glad I got off the ride before I went completely mad. The way debates go round in circles all the time...)

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Though old, it's still funny! laugh.gif

Luckily nothing new is up (yet) so this is breaktime. tongue.gif

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 05:23 AM

please...don't say there's NS events in 434 or the previous or the next...

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please don't make me fall awaaay...straight to the hell after flying between heaven and earth....

by the way, sakura should help naruto whatever she can do, such as fighting another pain's body, maybe? it's not attractive if naruto is the only one who's fighting...

sakura's grown up!! she should be able to do the best for anybody, especially for naruto!

come on sakura! show your inner strength!!! sakura.gif shannaro!!!!

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:46 PM

Unfortunately, Sakura's nowhere near Naruto's level, so it's highly likely she'll just get in the way.
However, I am hopeful to see a reaction from her once she understands the current situation Naruto has been forced into. Will she try to run to his aid like Hinata or will she have faith in the frogs to protect him?

Also, everyone knows that Akatsuki is after the jinchuriki. I don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, but do the other ninja know why or what will happen to Naruto if he's captured?

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:19 AM

QUOTE (KittenLou @ Feb 7 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, Sakura's nowhere near Naruto's level, so it's highly likely she'll just get in the way.
However, I am hopeful to see a reaction from her once she understands the current situation Naruto has been forced into. Will she try to run to his aid like Hinata or will she have faith in the frogs to protect him?

Also, everyone knows that Akatsuki is after the jinchuriki. I don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, but do the other ninja know why or what will happen to Naruto if he's captured?

Personally, i think Sakura, if she is gonna do anything, will do something very soon. Naruto is on the brink of being captured, and Ma & Pa are working on the genjutsu, so unless there is a distraction or Naruto finds a way out, he's as good as gone. Sakura is bound to do something. She might not run out there like a total noob like Hinata did but she will do something.

Also, i don't think people will realize what will happen if he is captured right away, but maybe once its too late. However, i don't think it would be smart for Kishimoto to have him get captured, so we can assume that won't happen. To be honest, i think we will see some Kyuubi soon. Even though Naruto refuses to use it, if he is in mortal danger, which he basiclly is at this point, Kyuubi will emerge. I know it's happened many times before, but hey, Kyuubi is a major part of Naruto and has to have some role. Maybe Naruto will finally be able to control it if he combined it with Sage chakra? i dont know, but Kyuubi will come out eventualy, so why not now?

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 03:32 PM

I was going around the fourms when i found this:

http://forums.naruto...p...4972&page=1

Just a topic about whatever Sakura was jealous when when Fuka kissed Naruto. Putting aside the fact that the episode was a filler it's unbeliveable what excuses some people will make to deny the fact she was jealous.

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