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#1261 Chatte

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 24 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So Minato didn't say "Take care of my son"? I wonder why both translators changed it like that.

It's still pretty nice. I makes me think that Kushina was also a little hard on him from time to time so he knows Sakura won't be an easy girl to handle either. laugh.gif


I see. Japanese is weird. tongue.gif


Well, as it was specified, given the context, it's more accurate in English this way. Meaning, if she is his girlfriend and will be his bride in the future [ fu.png ] Minato advices her to go easy on him. Not that big of a deal. wink.gif
Minato must know from experience how it is with these kind of girls... pictureem0.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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#1262 HauntedCake

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:58 PM

But "dont be too hard on my son" sounds negative.... sad.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ May 24 2013, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2- Naruto said simply "Mmh... uh? Yeah! Well, kinda like that datte-...
3- Sakura: Shut up, please! And retain also your talking stamina!!

Oh Sakura, aren't you getting a little too embarrassed there for someone who supposedly doesn't love Naruto? th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 24 2013, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, lol! That's a hot link that cannot be accessed.
Guess everyone is using it, checking, double checking... fu.png


oh facepalm.png Well, it's like written there... go on that site and you'll find the raw easly a_thumbs.gif

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#1265 Chatte

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ May 24 2013, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
oh facepalm.png Well, it's like written there... go on that site and you'll find the raw easly a_thumbs.gif

I went. Found it but can't access it due to large bandwidth I guess. smile.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 24 2013, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what's funny, Chatte? I actually believe he/she is right in a way, but then again everyone in NS, NH, and SS have a double standard so I say "fair game." I say we need to accept it that we are all biased a little bit. I hope he/she is reading what I type, but know this: We may have a double standard, but most of us didn't jump ship because of a NH moment. We stuck in there despite the harsh criticism from other fanbases and being called names. (In fact, I can say with certainty we treat our own fanbase worse than we do the other fanbases XD)

Be what be, but we are all guilty of it sooner or later. At least me and maybe most of us admit that we do it too.


Everyone's definitely biased. I hate how people try to use that in an argument like they're not though. It's absolutely crazy, but even though we're biased, some of us acknowledge what's in front of us, and I've rarely seen many of us spin a scene to our favor. For instance, 615.\

My biased opinion that seems to be correct at the moment...

Hinata still loves Naruto but Naruto doesn't view her romantically.

Is this super biased of me to say because I didn't see what they say? LOL I mean, all over the war, their moments were PLATONIC for one and ROMANTIC for the other. They set themselves up for failure when they shouted canon without looking at the whole picture. I notice that we tend to look at the whole picture when moreso than other fandoms.

Sakura's confession- We saw the whole thing while they say, "I hate people who lie to themselve".

Hinata's speech- A lot of us saw the whole thing while many only looked at the hand holding scene. It was clear as day right there that Naruto STILL didn't view Hinata in a romantic way, but once we get to NS interaction, it's all natural, yet so totally them.. Also, what's funny is that this can't be flipped, and those who choose to ignore are simply in denial. I remember seeing a ton of people fall back on the MS version of the scene and saying we're screwed because their translation was different and since it was supposedly in their favor, they were all for it. LMAO

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 24 2013, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But "dont be too hard on my son" sounds negative.... sad.gif


don't be so negative. It's just another japanese way saying "take care of my son". In fact both mangapanda and mangastream have translated in that way... Also Minato was in the same situation of Naruto lol It's pretty clear... cool.gif

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 24 2013, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I went. Found it but can't access it due to large bandwidth I guess. smile.gif


oh, if you want i can host the zip here...

Edited by 六道仙人, 24 May 2013 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

Reading raw scan is better than the inaccurate ones. (Thank God, a manga has a furigana on it.)

Edited by sakutonaru, 24 May 2013 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ May 24 2013, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1- No doubt here, He asked her if she was his girlfriend/lover. Anything about some english crap like girl friend have no valid reason here -.-
2- Naruto said simply "Mmh... uh? Yeah! Well, kinda like that datte-...
3- Sakura: Shut up, please! And retain also your talking stamina!!
Naruto: ...Ooough... But I've got damage instead of recovery!!
Sakura: "I will just give some extra recovery to that extent!!"
4- Minato: "Ahaha"
Minato: [This girl... She resembles me a little of Kushina, is it?]
Minato: Don't be too hard on my son please...

Loved this part! When I read the Japanese script, I also thought it was more like, "Please have mercy on my son" or as you said, "Please be more gentle with my son" in a comedic way laugh.gif Although, "Take care of my son" is fine as well. It's a stereotype comment a Japanese parent gives to somebody who is going to be responsible of taking care of their child.

Do you think the mangastream translated it well?
Minato said, "I leave my son in your capable hands". I really didn't like this translation because it sounds like Minato is just asking Sakura to take care of his son's wounds, rather than the son himself. Which is not true. That comment wasn't directed to handling Naruto's wounds, it was directed to the handling of Naruto himself. headscratch.gif
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:09 PM

How ironic. I was actually debating with a NaruHina fan on Tuesday about MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel tongue.gif

I win? yes.gif

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#1271 James S Cassidy

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 24 2013, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But "dont be too hard on my son" sounds negative.... sad.gif


I think you're just being paranoid. Relax. happy.gif
Even if that way, you can say it in a way that is not negative. Voice tone plays a key part in this.

I think this plays a problem. We have no voice tones in the book, however the facial expressions give the same effect. He has a face like "lol, I remember when Kushina was like that to me." So it is not negative, but I could even say like chatte said enforces the parallel even more.

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 24 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone's definitely biased. I hate how people try to use that in an argument like they're not though. It's absolutely crazy, but even though we're biased, some of us acknowledge what's in front of us, and I've rarely seen many of us spin a scene to our favor. For instance, 615.\

My biased opinion that seems to be correct at the moment...

Hinata still loves Naruto but Naruto doesn't view her romantically.

Is this super biased of me to say because I didn't see what they say? LOL I mean, all over the war, their moments were PLATONIC for one and ROMANTIC for the other. They set themselves up for failure when they shouted canon without looking at the whole picture. I notice that we tend to look at the whole picture when moreso than other fandoms.

Sakura's confession- We saw the whole thing while they say, "I hate people who lie to themselve".

Hinata's speech- A lot of us saw the whole thing while many only looked at the hand holding scene. It was clear as day right there that Naruto STILL didn't view Hinata in a romantic way, but once we get to NS interaction, it's all natural, yet so totally them.. Also, what's funny is that this can't be flipped, and those who choose to ignore are simply in denial. I remember seeing a ton of people fall back on the MS version of the scene and saying we're screwed because their translation was different and since it was supposedly in their favor, they were all for it. LMAO



Yeah, but that is how we are as human beings. We always want to be the victim, not the assailant. It's always someone/something else's fault.

QUOTE (nath0man @ May 24 2013, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How ironic. I was actually debating with a NaruHina fan on Tuesday about MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel tongue.gif

I win? yes.gif


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Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 May 2013 - 01:10 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (ramenanmitsu @ May 24 2013, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loved this part! When I read the Japanese script, I also thought it was more like, "Please have mercy on my son" or as you said, "Please be more gentle with my son" in a comedic way laugh.gif Although, "Take care of my son" is fine as well. It's a stereotype comment a Japanese parent gives to somebody who is going to be responsible of taking care of their child.

Do you think the mangastream translated it well?
Minato said, "I leave my son in your capable hands". I really didn't like this translation because it sounds like Minato is just asking Sakura to take care of his son's wounds, rather than the son himself. Which is not true. That comment wasn't directed to handling Naruto's wounds, it was directed to the handling of Naruto himself. headscratch.gif


oh yeah, i liked that part

about Mangastream, well... I have a little of hatred towards its translator... His way of translating sounds... too liberal and discordant from the original. When I read mangastream version, I feel like that I am not reading a naruto manga O_o" The way how he traslates isn't absoutely how a japanese reader could read a naruto chapter made by Kishimoto. Indeed, I like more mangapanda, they made some grammatical errors but I feel like that it' similar to original when I read their version.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

I'm gonna make a breakdown of Naruto's response:

Minato: So are you Naruto's girlfriend?

Naruto: Mmh... (he's processing the word girlfriend) uh? (he realized his dad meant a lover) Yeah! (he responds affirmatively like a boss laugh.gif )

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

QUOTE (nath0man @ May 24 2013, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How ironic. I was actually debating with a NaruHina fan on Tuesday about MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel tongue.gif

I win? yes.gif

Hey there, seems you joined the party here? tongue.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

QUOTE (nath0man @ May 24 2013, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How ironic. I was actually debating with a NaruHina fan on Tuesday about MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel tongue.gif

I win? yes.gif

YES!!!!!!!!!! YOU WIN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now go claim your spoils of war. mwahaha.gif

Edited by redragon88, 24 May 2013 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

@ramenanmitsu:

besides have you seen that statement "I mean, if you're splitting hairs, I guess-" from Mangastream? I don't know why that translator used a such kind of words... huh.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 24 2013, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey there, seems you joined the party here? tongue.gif


Hi Chatte smile.gif

Yeah, I feel like I will be more welcome here as a NaruSaku/Sakura fan rather than NarutoBase laugh.gif

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE (nath0man @ May 24 2013, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Chatte smile.gif

Yeah, I feel like I will be more welcome here as a NaruSaku/Sakura fan rather than NarutoBase laugh.gif

Definitely! Sadly, tho'...

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 24 2013, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Definitely! Sadly, tho'...


Oh well, At least I tried

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 24 2013, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you're just being paranoid. Relax. happy.gif
Even if that way, you can say it in a way that is not negative. Voice tone plays a key part in this.

I think this plays a problem. We have no voice tones in the book, however the facial expressions give the same effect. He has a face like "lol, I remember when Kushina was like that to me." So it is not negative, but I could even say like chatte said enforces the parallel even more.




Yeah, but that is how we are as human beings. We always want to be the victim, not the assailant. It's always someone/something else's fault.



FATALITY!!!


LOL because that's how it always is. tongue.gif




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