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[TouKen4Life3g]

Kishi will pair sasuke, because this manga put emphasis on generation.

5-6 kids out of K11. Hm...Sure I guess...

[rocci]

5-6 kids out of K11. Hm...Sure I guess...

Neo team 7
Neo team 8
Neo team 10


We already have the new inoshikacho.
Lee clone will put on team burito along with salad and may create another love triangle with lee clone as the naruto and burito as the sasuke.

Ofc lee clone could put on kiba son team than burito team will get another third guy.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Neo team 7
Neo team 8
Neo team 10


We already have the new inoshikacho.
Lee clone will put on team burito along with salad and may create another love triangle with lee clone as the naruto and burito as the sasuke.

Ofc lee clone could put on kiba son team than burito team will get another third guy.

Kiba has a son? Shino has no child. TenTen has no child (unless that Lee is it). No third placement for Team 7. And yeah, they all decided to give birth at the perfect time.

[AHK]

Which makes no sense because he set up Sakura's love for Sasuke as a selfish (he even said this lol) one that she was going to grow out of. Especially in the beginning and mid part 2 (where she would start looking at Naruto and you know what happens from there).... it's all there :/ Ugh the recton... it's too much. Gonna go read some TG

YASSSSS omg yas!

[Gaara's hair]

YASSSSS omg yas!

You forgot the scream  

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

 

 

Before: After having a horrible life experience, the hope of redeeming his clan into a once again honorable ninja clan is placed on the shoulders of Sasuke Uchiha. For this he is beloved by all. His elders and teachers respect his talent and hope he can regain his families former honor, the girls his age all love him madly simply because he looks "hot" and is "dark and brooding", well most of the guys (beside Naruto and Shikamaru) his age admire him and try to be friends with him. What does he do? Does he adapt the viewpoint of a Mr. Bruce Wayne and tries to protect all life as it exsit no matter how crooked the bad guy in order to prove the point that every life matters? Does he take the chance he has presented to him, and use his natural talents and the good will placed on him by the village in order to rebuild the strength of the Uchiha in order to make the world a better place where no one will ever have to suffer like he did again?

Bringing up fangirls and adults whom respect him is irrelevant, Sasuke never wanted those things so he doesn't have to be grateful for it. Sasuke is a avenger, his brother killed his parents and clan right in front of him and encouraged him to seek and try to kill him, he had no other goals but that maybe if Tobi never got to Sasuke, he would do what you said as revive his clan, which was his second goal but not until Itachi is dead. Sasuke also isn't a hero, he would save lives but revenge is his primary focus just like Naruto.

 

Sasuke chooses to close himself off from every person, except for those who can strength him in order for him to get revenge on Itachi! Rejecting the opportunity to grow within his community he instead uses people when it is in his interest to to further his goal. Why does he try bonding wit Naruto and give him food? Because if they don't they will fail, and Sasuke's goal to "kill a certain person" won't be achieved. When does he start getting pissy? When someone besides himself start showing more potential, and therefor reminds him that he isn't as strong enough to kill his brother, so he run away with a man who he knows wants to take his body.

 

I really don't blame him, his afraid of losing loved ones again so he won't make bonds with people (He does it anyway with Team 7). Like I said his goal is justified in every way so he'll focus on that. Sasuke got mad since he viewed Naruto as someone weaker than him and it shocks him that Naruto is surpassing him. Regardless of the reasoning he still gave Naruto food causing Sakura to follow suit and them passing.

He starts getting "pissy" because the person who he has been training to kill owns him with no effort and mentally rapes him causing his hatred to grow much bigger and to question if staying in the Village will make him weaker. So he goes to Orochimaru to train. He isn't as selfish as you make him, he was willing to give up his life and goals for Naruto in the Haku fight and if he wanted to use people to get his revenge he would have took Sakura with him as she was willing to help him. Also you do realize Sasuke killed Orochimaru after that because he saw how cruel he was.

 

 

 

In other words Sasuke adopts the Dr. Doom viewpoint of life. He will use people for his own goals, and in the end will crush anyone in his way. Sakura attempts to show him some human kindness he throws a hissy fit because Naruto maybe stronger then him. So he runs away with a terrorist, tries killing him, and later assembles a team of misfits that he will tolerate in his presence just as long as they are useful to him.

 

You're making Sasuke seem like he's evil (Hebi not Five Kage Summit), he gathered a team for his own sake, yoiu're right but he does care for tehm as demonstsrad by the Killer Bee fight.

 

 

 

After we learn Itachi is a ninja god the dynamic changes slightly. Now Sasuke learns that the Uchiha were power hungry asshats who loved the leaf village so much that they had to kill it, and take it over (Sasuke would later do the same thing with Sakura it seems). If Sasuke was a mentally stable person, he may have taken pause.

 

Mentally Stable Sasuke (AKA a character that never existed): "Wait... if Itachi did all this to save the Leaf and is even now served them trying to protect the goodness of the village system. Instead of being a self centered kitten head worried only about my own emotions and feelings, perhaps I should change course now... yeah. I'll return to the Leaf and start working in the system in order to bring the terrorist down! Hell maybe it's time to rise the Uchiha flag again, and show defiantly that we will not be used like before! That now we stand for the rights of all people, and we will fight to the death to defend that! I mean I could even take my brothers places as a covert agent, and bring down the threat from within! Yeah! That's it! I could save thousands.... no millions of lives! Itachi taught me that peace must be defend above all else, and we must now crush those who wish to destroy us all! After all Itachi choose to KILL OUR ENTIRE FAMILY, WHO WERE TRYING TO DESTROY THE VILLAGE AND CAUSE ANOTHER WORLD WAR, IN ORDER TO AVOIDED UNNEEDED VIOLENCE IN GENERAL, AND TO PROTECT ME PERSONALLY HIMSELF. PLACING HIS HOPES FOR THE FUTURE OF THE FAMILY ON MY SHOULDERS! Surely knowing all of that it's in my best interest to become a better person, and a protector of the free will of all of mankind."

 

Really? You're saying Sasuke should have returned to the village after that? He literally spent most of his life training to kill Itachi to only find out that Itachi was trying to protect him and was ordered by the village to kill his clan. He makes it clear that the sadness of losing Itachi had a far more bigger effect on him than how he lived. I think any normal person wouldn't return after that.

 

 

Instead Sasuke now declares that he loves his brother and will make the Leaf pay for what they did to him.... he then further continues to murder people and kidnaps people and becomes a full grown terrorist. He even starts wearing the gown unironically. He then tries murdering the world leaders, and is one of the major cataylyst for expanding the World War that his brother tried to stop. Eventualy he kind of came around.... but only so he could become a fascist dictator who ruled the world with an iron fist so they would do exactly as they told him.

 

He only killed Samurai in self defense. He kidnapped Killer Bee which isn't as evil as you make it seem, Killer Bee was willing to help kidnap Kushina and his brotehr was willing to capture a girl for her eyes. He only wanted to kill Danzo, the Five Kages were just an annoyance to him.

 

"If you live to see the dawn it's only because I allow it!" The basic idea behind Sasuke's ideal of "peace" threw totalitarian oppression.

 

Now all of this would have been fine, had kittenmoto simply kept Sasuke a villian, a tortured soul who had to be taken out by the hero the same way Old Yeller had to be shot... because they bother are rabid, irrational, and dangerous beast.

 

But kittenmoto doesn't think Sasuke is evil... He thinks that being a murdering, terrorist, wannabe fascist dictator is a positive quality for all young men to emulate, hell you even get the girl in the end..... even if you never seemed interested in her. In fact so long as you are selfishly following your heart Kishidumbo will even say your "pure". Yeah... Pure... a pure head case who should have died on the battlefield finally allowing revenge to consume what remains of his cursed soul.

 

That really wasn't his view. He was going to rule with an iron fist but he wouldn't be cruel. 

Sasuke wasn't going to die Kishi made sure of this when he had Sasuke meet Itachi rather than going to kill Naruto as that Sasuke was evil and wouldn't mind killing people meaning it would have been harder to redeem him. Its not hard to think he didnt die as he only said he would do those things and since Naruto talked him out of it he wont do it again and Team 7 will keep quiet about it. 

 

Uh no. Sakura is given kitten about being "ugly" even now, to the point where Kishidumbass thinks that the only way to make her popular is to make her "movie star gorgeous". Naruto is never commented on being good looking by his pears, and Kakashi is mostly famous for wearing a mask. It is Sasuke alone who is loved in and out of universe because he is "hot". Character talk about how hot he is, beta males fantasize about being hot and "brooding" like him, well female fans wish that he was real so they could "heal" him... usually by using chapters in that ancient healing tome the Kama Sutra.

 If you're talking about the Naruto Verse, she is commented on her looks from multiple people, and even got a love letter int he middle of war. 

 

 

 

There is nothing good about Sasuke. He is an evil jackass who constantly put his desires above not only the wants and needs of others, but indeed he but his desires above the values of other peoples lives. Apply the majority of what people would consider a mainstream level of what is "right" and "good" and most people would clearly state the Sasuke is a villain, is evil, and has no redeeming quality beyond the fact that he is "hot" and a "bad boy".

 

I mean just take a list of what he did in the story and compare it to most comic book supervillians:

 

1. Rejected his friends, and the very social network he grew up with in order to achieve an evil selfish goal. In this case "revenge".

2. Learned under the wings of the last generations greatest known criminal threat.

3.Used said former greatest criminal threat and betrayed him in order to "out villain" him, showing that he was the dangerous one all along.

4. Gathers a group of underlings who sole purpose of existence is so they can help him reach his goal.

5.Murder people.

6. Terrorize major government agencies.

7. Attempts to assassinate multiple heads of state.

8. Attempts to kill childhood friends multiple times.

9. Mentally tortures people so they do what he wants them to. Including give them information he wants for his goal, or to simply get them out of the way so they don't have to deal with them anymore.

10. Join a "super villain team" possibly even wearing the team uniform, well at the same time planning to double cross your new allies in order to get what you want.

11. Betray super villain team.

12. Team up with good guy in order to get "bigger threat" out of the way that you couldn't beat on your own.

13. When everyone celebrates the defeat of the "big bad" suddenly spring your trap on the good guy.

14. In Bond like fashion, tell the good guy your evil plan well he stares at you.

15. Attempt to kill good guy/former best friend in order to take over the world, setting yourself up as a fascist military dictator.

 

Somehow after this Kishimoto thought adding "steal the hero's gf" would be good, because he's a dumbass who doesn't understand basic story structure.

 

 

Rejecting his friends doesn't make him bad. True but at the end he killed Orochimaru. He never mentally tortured somebody (Unless you're talking about that Cloud Ninja but he only used Genjutsu not Tsukyomi). Sakura wasn't Naruto GF, and if you want someone to blame for SS happening blame Sakura (Or Kishi).

 

Gaara was a weaponized human being, that was consciously used by his village in order to prepare for the next ninja war. He had no one in his life and instead choose to kill in order to feel. His village used this to their advantage. Later after Naruto beat him Gaara learned a different path, one that he had never known about before. He learned that the was something beyond the idea of "survival of the fittest".

 

Gaara had his sibling who loved him dearly but still was a ass to them and even threatened to kill them. And isn't it ironic that you're trying to jutstify killing by a sob story, Gaara knew right from wrong, his uncle taught him to not hurt people, he knows killing is bad but does it anyway and once again he should be locked up.

 

Sasuke understood right from wrong from the beginning, was glorified by his village, and was expected to become a great future leader who would once again rebuild the Uchiha clan into something great. His teachers spoiled him, girls his age adored him, and most of the guys tried to get him to be their best friend. Instead he rejected the bonds he created with his friends, and the social institutions he grew up with in his village, turned to evil and eventually tried to take over the world and enslave the entire human race. He always knew what he was doing was wrong but never cared because it's what HE wanted. He also was never rejected by anybody, indeed the village opened their arms to him, and he had his pick of friends and gfs at his fingertips if he bothered to stop thinking like a selfish jackass for five minutes.

 

 

Yeah he did know right from wrong just like Gaara, but he didn't kill people for fun so yeah.... And how the hell is he selfish for not opening his arms for fangirls and friends (Only Naruto/Sakura).

 

 

 

 

Madara and Sasuke are both stereotypical jackasses who's views and ideas have been express by megalomaniacs in fiction since at least from the time of Shakespear's Richard III (quoted below) probably earlier.

 

 

Much like Richard III, Madara and Sasuke are willing to turn the world to kitten if they can not get what they want. Their lives were horrible therefor they will bring the entire world to heel on THEIR terms. In the west this trope is best shown by Dr. Doom, who's fascist run country of Latveria is a model place of a nation. There is no crime, no poverty, no problems. No one argues, no one debates, no ideas are exchanged. Doom rules with an iron fist, the people are told what to do then they do it. With all the humanity of an ant colony.

 

 

Yes he is. He's Julius Cesar without the charm or education. He's Genghis Khan without the history. He's Adolph Hitler without the funny mustache. He's Joesph Stalin without the five year plan.

 

Madara isn't stereotypical at all. His world view is that the world can never know peace as its human nature to fight, meaning he thinks peace is only attainable in Genjutsu and he brings up good questions which are "is IT really that bad, its basically heaven forever". Sasuke stopped being arrogant after Part 1.

 

 

 

Much like Richard III, Madara and Sasuke are willing to turn the world to kitten if they can not get what they want. Their lives were horrible therefor they will bring the entire world to heel on THEIR terms. In the west this trope is best shown by Dr. Doom, who's fascist run country of Latveria is a model place of a nation. There is no crime, no poverty, no problems. No one argues, no one debates, no ideas are exchanged. Doom rules with an iron fist, the people are told what to do then they do it. With all the humanity of an ant colony.

I can understand Sasuke but how was Madara willing to turn the world to kitten, he wanted to "save" the world by putting it all in a dream where they would have everlasting peace besides Madara's an Anti Hero/Villain. I never stated Sasuke's ideals for right just that they were interesting, he like Nagato thinks that "forced peace" is the only thing that would work so he'll watch over it and ensure wars don't go on.

 

[Shadow1275]

At this point I think it's safe to say most of us have a problem with the entire story. The majority of the characters included. lol

Agreed, but you're more likely to find a needle in a haystack than a Sas-ga- cough cough ahem (what is wrong with me? )  Sasuke or Hinata fan here. Right Deano?

 

As a kid I use to think Sasuke was the coolest thing in the world but then, I grew up and realized how much of an ass he was. This was also before I became NS.

Same. Than he turned into a kitten. He was the true hero of Naruto. Naruto never beat him clearly in a one on one fight. Sasuke always wins

[rocci]

Kiba has a son? Shino has no child. TenTen has no child (unless that Lee is it). No third placement for Team 7. And yeah, they all decided to give birth at the perfect time.

I don't read the last two chapter.
So it's not a son.
Shino may not have a child, but his child could show up in burito spin off or another random aburame to fill off kiba child.

That's why I said lee clone gonna be third guy for neo team seven. Unless kishi decide to put new character.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't read the last two chapter.
So it's not a son.
Shino may not have a child, but his child could show up in burito spin off or another random aburame to fill off kiba child.

That's why I said lee clone gonna be third guy for neo team seven. Unless kishi decide to put new character.

Oooooooo

I am proud of you!

[AHK]

@WhyDoIWatch, Bee had nothing to do with Kushina's kidnapping, at all. As a matter of fact, Bee is younger than A, and A would have been around Minato's age then. So bee might not have even been born.

Edited by AHK, 26 March 2015 - 03:04 AM.

[rocci]

I think bee is on the same age with minato.

[WhyDoIWatch]

@WhyDoIWatch, Bee had nothing to do with Kushina's kidnapping, at all. As a matter of fact, Bee is younger than A, and A would have been around Minato's age then. So bee might not have even been born.

Bee did fight Minato, unless that's filler but my point was that Karma hit Railkage..

Edited by WhyDoIWatch, 26 March 2015 - 03:12 AM.

[rocci]

Bee did fight Minato, unless that's filler but my point was that Karma hit Railkage..

Raikage and bee had fight minato.
It's the chapter to hype naruto Kyubi mode speed.
It's from raikage flashback.

With or without sasuke, akatsuki will still kidnap bee.

Edited by rocci, 26 March 2015 - 03:15 AM.

[Atheck]

Kiba has a son? Shino has no child. TenTen has no child (unless that Lee is it). No third placement for Team 7. And yeah, they all decided to give birth at the perfect time.

 

Unless Kiba and the cat woman had a passionate night together over a decade previously and we just didn't see the result of it in the brief glimpse of this new abomination of a world then chances are he has no child. I can guarantee you that Kishi will rehash the old InoShikaCho dynamic with these bratty mutants because the man is incapable of thinking outside the box. That leaves just Lee's carbon copy and Kurenai's daughter to choose from for this new freak team. I can't envision Kishi allowing for the dynamics of a team to be leaning in favour towards the female demographic. He'll either incorporate the clone to become the Hinata spawn's rival and teammate or he'll introduce a new male character to maintain the status quo. 

[Nostradamus]

Here's the main number-one problem with Sasuke Uchiha: contrary to popular belief, his overall worth as a character to the entire story is extremely miniscule at best. Let me explain.

Firstly, he is very one-dimensional and lives for only one purpose - to kill Itachi (he even said so himself). Now, people can make the argument that other characters like Rock Lee and Neji are one-dimensional as well because they too only strived for one purpose: to prove that someone can be a splendid ninja with taijutsu alone and to rebel against the idea of subservience. But this is where they're wrong: even though Lee and Neji's goals can be viewed as being straight-forward, the very essence of their objectives coincided with one of the overall themes of the story itself (perseverance). Sasuke's one goal, vengeance, does not coincide with any of the values that the manga tried to push. Basically, not only was Sasuke one-dimensional, but his only goal didn't contribute anything to push the story forward.

Secondly, Sasuke is very unoriginal. He is supposed to represent an "arch-Naruto" had Naruto internalized his pain of loneliness and festered it into hatred. The problem with this lies in the fact that it's already been done with Haku first, then Gaara (the best "arch-Naruto"), and lastly Obito. The other reason why he's unoriginal stems from his newly formed desire to destroy Konoha after Itachi's death. Again, we've seen other characters strive for the same thing: Orochimaru and Pain (who actually succeeded, thus making Sasuke's mission void of any validity). Once Itachi died, Sasuke's journey was over. He had no purpose left within the story. If I was Kishi, I would've had Sasuke die together with Itachi. But by forcibly extending his worth past it's expiration date, not only does the story suffer (repetition of generic goals), but other characters suffer as well (the return of Sakura's infatuation).

Thank you. I've said this so many times, after Itachi's death Sasuke truly had no reason to exist in the story anymore.

[Narufan85]

Of all the anime and manga I have consumed there is not a character I dislike more than Sasuke.

Sasuke stans are the worst.

Edited by Narufan85, 26 March 2015 - 03:32 AM.

[AHK]

Bee did fight Minato, unless that's filler but my point was that Karma hit Railkage..

Yeah, but that was when they were adults. Kushina it kidnapped as a child...neither the Raikage or Bee were a part of that. Karma didn't hit the Raikage, Sasuke became a terrorist and helped to start a war. That has nothing to do with the Raikage's past dealings. In any case, just because someone might have had it coming doesn't give anyone else a green light to do terrible things.

[Namikaze Clan]

So in regards to the new InoShikaCho, what do you guys think is better?

ShikadaixChouChou or InojinxChouChou?

Edited by Namikaze Clan, 26 March 2015 - 03:51 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So in regards to the new InoShikaCho, what do you guys think is better?

ShikadaixChouChou or InojinxChouChou?

Former. Just to avoid alien.

[rocci]

Shikadai will get neo temari