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#12701 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:36 PM

We never said you think it will happen. It's just many moments for NH at least are now seeing in a clear light. The only one that was pure clear in romance side is 437 but that's only because Hinata has to spill it out for her character development, which is confidence.

Confessing your love for someome also means the first step to move on, Naruto acknowledges Hinata's feelings for him but however if she finds out that he loves Sakura it's pretty much game over, maybe that's the reason why Naruto doesnt know that Sakura acknowledges his feelings for her.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:48 PM

I honestly believe NaruSaku is the most active pairing fandom  :cool:

I mean 636 pages in half a year, and that's just one thread... 



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:50 PM


 
Well, I wouldn't say that's true.  While there's no getting around the fact that Sakura thought of Sasuke when the Lover-nin was talking about love in #540, due to slight variations in the translations I don't think it's 100% clear what's going on.
 
First of all, it's interesting to note that the most significant thing Sakura actually says ("There's someone else I...") is in #539 -- purposely separated from the rest of the scene by a week's time.  I didn't use to think that mattered and have argued the opposite out here before, but I've changed my mind since the release of the official English Jump volume.  In that version she says, "I have someone already, though, you see..."
 
I am now more inclined to think that Kishimoto broke the scene that way because the guy Sakura is talking about in #539 -- the "someone" -- is Naruto.  I mean, think about it.  When the Lover-nin scene happened Sakura already recognized that Sasuke was no longer the same person she had loved.  She knew he had nearly murdered Karin.  She had already tried to kill Sasuke twice and he had tried to kill her twice, and she had already more or less made a commitment to Naruto in front of witnesses.  
 
Even in the worst case -- if Sakura was flat out lying to Naruto during her confession and she has no feelings for him at all -- in #539-540 she still knew perfectly well that she does not "have" Sasuke, and he is not someone she can in any way count as a person in her life.  It makes no sense that she was referring to Sasuke as the "someone else."
 
As for what Lover-nin says in #540:
 
"But there is one thing that I know... If it's somebody that you like, then they're bound to be a great person!" (Mangareader)
"Hope it works out for you.  He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him." (Mangastream)
"Well, good luck.  If you love him he must be a good man." (English Jump, vol. 57)
 
When Sakura then thinks of Sasuke, can we be 100% sure why?  Was it meant to reflect her disappointment in herself because she still loves him?  Or meant to reflect her disappointment that she ever loved him?  
 
Although Naruto was not shown as the positive replacement in the same panel, I still think it can be reasonably argued that Sakura's disappointment was mainly about having ever loved Sasuke.  It is consistent with her reaction to Sai's revelation -- that her feelings for Sasuke are a source of great pain to Naruto, a guy she knows is a "good man."
 
Something to consider, anyway.
 
Beyond that we have other, more recent evidence that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed.  When Sasuke appeared on the battlefield she showed wide-eyed surprise at his arrival to "help," but later a huge panel was dedicated to the implication that she does not trust him.  Likewise, when Team 7 reunited to fight the enemy, Sakura spoke only to Naruto.  It was as if Sasuke was not relevant.
 
And all of that was on top of the fact that she did not deny Naruto's assertion to his father that they were boyfriend/girlfriend in #631.  So yeah.  I think Kishimoto has been moving Sakura beyond Sasuke -- slowly, maybe, but surely.
 
ETA:  By saying that during the reunion Sakura only spoke to Naruto, I meant when she was claiming her right to fight with them.

Yeah, I have to agree about the last couple of paragraphs. The comfortability of having Sasuke around is really little-to-bad. The communication is like almost empty, because she fallen the same boat as K9: can't really care. Shikamaru caught on that she is the same as him: Sasuke can't be trusted. What's worse is that the whole situation with Sasuke is last, so her feelings with him is close to disappear. No time left.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:04 PM

Why I get the feeling that anti and other fans want to believe Sakura is the heel/bad girl that will cheat or being "not the right one" for Naruto. You know, something from movies and shows where you usually have that one jerk (usually the guy) being the lover of the nice innocent person. Oh the cliche of a love story. Ironically, doesn't this apply heavily to Sasu-...you know what, forget it.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:31 PM

Why I get the feeling that anti and other fans want to believe Sakura is the heel/bad girl that will cheat or being "not the right one" for Naruto. You know, something from movies and shows where you usually have that one jerk (usually the guy) being the lover of the nice innocent person. Oh the cliche of a love story. Ironically, doesn't this apply heavily to Sasu-...you know what, forget it.

I believe that your feeling is what will happen when NS is canon. I just want to see if it will get to that extent.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

I believe that your feeling is what will happen when NS is canon. I just want to see if it will get to that extent.

Yeah I know. I mean some do believe it falls under the typical naive boy loves a popular girl who is shallow and one-dimensional. Funny, because it feels the opposite.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:46 PM

Why I get the feeling that anti and other fans want to believe Sakura is the heel/bad girl that will cheat or being "not the right one" for Naruto. You know, something from movies and shows where you usually have that one jerk (usually the guy) being the lover of the nice innocent person. Oh the cliche of a love story. Ironically, doesn't this apply heavily to Sasu-...you know what, forget it.

Both NaruSaku and SasuSaku are cliches.

Ironically the entire story of Kishi is full of cliche even the part 1 is almost a carbon copy of the begining of HxH.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

Yeah I know. I mean some do believe it falls under the typical naive boy loves a popular girl who is shallow and one-dimensional. Funny, because it feels the opposite.

Well, some believe Naruto is the shallow one. That he loves Sakura for her looks´. Maybe because he called her cute? That is the only time he commented on her appearance. :headscratch: But it frustrates me when people think that "the inside counts" only applies when the person isn't pretty on the outside.

Both NaruSaku and SasuSaku are cliches.

Ironically the entire story of Kishi is full of cliche even the part 1 is almost a carbon copy of the begining of HxH.

The NS concept and idea is cliche, but now their relationship is so complex it's like no other.


Edited by sushi., 05 January 2014 - 09:54 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:55 PM

Both NaruSaku and SasuSaku are cliches.
Ironically the entire story of Kishi is full of cliche even the part 1 is almost a carbon copy of the begining of HxH.

Well that's my point. It's just that some see NaruHina the good side while NaruSaku is the bad side. In reality, it's SasuSaku being the bad side as NaruSaku is the good side. I know I'm not wrong.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 January 2014 - 09:56 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

Well, some believe Naruto is the shallow one. That he loves Sakura for her looks´. Maybe because he called her cute? That is the only time he commented on her appearance. :headscratch: But it frustrates me when people think that "the inside counts" only applies when the person isn't pretty on the outside.
The NS concept and idea is cliche, but now their relationship is so complex it's like no other.

But Sakura is supposed to be a normal girl and I do mean normal. Not ugly, but not a main target for all boys to aim for as to say, "Oh, I'm in love." Hell, when you think about it, Naruto aimed normal if not dare I say, low. That's how I see it.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:15 PM

Narusaku does have development which matters mostly and in line with everything that's happened last year, things make it highly possible and appropriate.

Over the topic of 540, at this point I would say its best left at sakura was unsure of sakura, saddened by what he became, if anything it's best said to say she was evaluating her feelings at this point from the lover nin who talked to her.

631 obviously made the biggest difference and currently is the biggest obstacle between ns and nh while SS suffers from the 635 events. I know some people make a statement about "sakura not denying it" but I really don't like this, this is implying that she either already is or makes it sound like something happened without our knowledge, really in the moment, yes it was funny for naruto to say sakura was more or less his girlfriend, but that's really what he considers. The bigger deal with the gf statement was naruto reaffirming that he still loves sakura and obviously the sakura Kushina link.

Really 631s sakura Kushina moment was a build on kushinas foreshadow and 635 sakura not trusting Sasuke was a build in 540.

It's just really the sakura-Kushina confirmation still lingering there that just makes such a big difference with naruto still loving sakura. Should we get a moment next chapter, I wouldn't be surprised at this point. In my eyes, sakura likes naruto, she is very close but isn't at love yet, however i believe she's at the point where she subconsciously loves him, she just doesn't realize it yet. It can be a big event like this that just pushes her to that point more.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:19 PM

But Sakura is supposed to be a normal girl and I do mean normal. Not ugly, but not a main target for all boys to aim for as to say, "Oh, I'm in love." Hell, when you think about it, Naruto aimed normal if not dare I say, low. That's how I see it.

Does she need to be normal in every way? A guy fell for her on the spot. I really think Ino and Sakura are supposed to be very beautiful. But we shouldn't get prejudiced of the guys who love them and suspect that's the reason.

 

Either way it doesn't matter, to the plot or the boys. :P But it's just what I think, I think it's been hinted at but there's no proof. Then there's that I personally think she is super-pretty.

 

^Yes inferno, I hope the recent build-up will get closure too soon. You know, Sakura's concern for Naruto. And now she has a right to be concerned.. hehe :fu:


Edited by sushi., 05 January 2014 - 10:21 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

Does she need to be normal in every way? A guy fell for her on the spot. I really think Ino and Sakura are supposed to be very beautiful. But we shouldn't get prejudiced of the guys who love them and suspect that's the reason.
 
Either way it doesn't matter, to the plot or the boys. :P But it's just what I think, I think it's been hinted at but there's no proof. Then there's that I personally think she is super-pretty.
 
^Yes inferno, I hope the recent build-up will get closure too soon. You know, Sakura's concern for Naruto. And now she has a right to be concerned.. hehe :fu:

Oddly enough, I didn't mean about beauty, I just mean about status. Sakura is really pretty, make no mistake, but her status is normal. She's not like the popular girl. Think as American cartoon shows for younger audience. Sakura got that beauty of when you're less expected pretty. Something like example when a girl dressed like a boy or whatever, but say like a prom comes in and bam, she looks pretty as if you never realized it till now. Plus, she did claim that she has nothing to offer but her big forehead.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:15 PM

Oddly enough, I didn't mean about beauty, I just mean about status. Sakura is really pretty, make no mistake, but her status is normal. She's not like the popular girl. Think as American cartoon shows for younger audience. Sakura got that beauty of when you're less expected pretty. Something like example when a girl dressed like a boy or whatever, but say like a prom comes in and bam, she looks pretty as if you never realized it till now. Plus, she did claim that she has nothing to offer but her big forehead.

Me too but her problem is that she is tomboish.

On part 1 her dress and clothes showed her curves which made her more atractive on part 2 her clothes turned her into a board.

 

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:20 PM

Oddly enough, I didn't mean about beauty, I just mean about status. Sakura is really pretty, make no mistake, but her status is normal. She's not like the popular girl. Think as American cartoon shows for younger audience. Sakura got that beauty of when you're less expected pretty. Something like example when a girl dressed like a boy or whatever, but say like a prom comes in and bam, she looks pretty as if you never realized it till now. Plus, she did claim that she has nothing to offer but her big forehead.

Oh I see now! You're right, her status is normal. If Naruto wanted to go for the prettiest and most popular girl in class, he should've liked Ino instead. That said, I do ship NaruIno too XD As really close friends, or crack-pairing. I wish they were closer. :'3


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:29 PM

Oh I see now! You're right, her status is normal. If Naruto wanted to go for the prettiest and most popular girl in class, he should've liked Ino instead. That said, I do ship NaruIno too XD As really close friends, or crack-pairing. I wish they were closer. :'3

Me too, i like Ino mostly because her development as character is much much better than any girl on this manga.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:33 PM

 

 

Well, I wouldn't say that's true.  While there's no getting around the fact that Sakura thought of Sasuke when the Lover-nin was talking about love in #540, due to slight variations in the translations I don't think it's 100% clear what's going on.
 
First of all, it's interesting to note that the most significant thing Sakura actually says ("There's someone else I...") is in #539 -- purposely separated from the rest of the scene by a week's time.  I didn't use to think that mattered and have argued the opposite out here before, but I've changed my mind since the release of the official English Jump volume.  In that version she says, "I have someone already, though, you see..."
 
I am now more inclined to think that Kishimoto broke the scene that way because the guy Sakura is talking about in #539 -- the "someone" -- is Naruto.  I mean, think about it.  When the Lover-nin scene happened Sakura already recognized that Sasuke was no longer the same person she had loved.  She knew he had nearly murdered Karin.  She had already tried to kill Sasuke twice and he had tried to kill her twice, and she had already more or less made a commitment to Naruto in front of witnesses.  
 
Even in the worst case -- if Sakura was flat out lying to Naruto during her confession and she has no feelings for him at all -- in #539-540 she still knew perfectly well that she does not "have" Sasuke, and he is not someone she can in any way count as a person in her life.  It makes no sense that she was referring to Sasuke as the "someone else."
 
As for what Lover-nin says in #540:
 
"But there is one thing that I know... If it's somebody that you like, then they're bound to be a great person!" (Mangareader)
"Hope it works out for you.  He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him." (Mangastream)
"Well, good luck.  If you love him he must be a good man." (English Jump, vol. 57)
 
When Sakura then thinks of Sasuke, can we be 100% sure why?  Was it meant to reflect her disappointment in herself because she still loves him?  Or meant to reflect her disappointment that she ever loved him?  
 
Although Naruto was not shown as the positive replacement in the same panel, I still think it can be reasonably argued that Sakura's disappointment was mainly about having ever loved Sasuke.  It is consistent with her reaction to Sai's revelation -- that her feelings for Sasuke are a source of great pain to Naruto, a guy she knows is a "good man."
 
Something to consider, anyway.
 
Beyond that we have other, more recent evidence that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed.  When Sasuke appeared on the battlefield she showed wide-eyed surprise at his arrival to "help," but later a huge panel was dedicated to the implication that she does not trust him.  Likewise, when Team 7 reunited to fight the enemy, Sakura spoke only to Naruto.  It was as if Sasuke was not relevant.
 
And all of that was on top of the fact that she did not deny Naruto's assertion to his father that they were boyfriend/girlfriend in #631.  So yeah.  I think Kishimoto has been moving Sakura beyond Sasuke -- slowly, maybe, but surely.
 
ETA:  By saying that during the reunion Sakura only spoke to Naruto, I meant when she was claiming her right to fight with them.

 

Just wanted to say that what Sakura said is, "Thank you... But... I already have someone I like..."

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Not sure why they left that last part out, but yeah. Beyond that, I agree with you. That was always my interpretation of the scene in 540—the Lover-nin said that the person she loves must be a great person, and she thought of Sasuke (while looking she was about to toss her cookies, I might add) because she was disappointed she ever loved him. Personally, I thought that was important, that she didn't think of Sasuke immediately, only when Lover-nin said the person she loves must be great (and in her image of him he was all evil-looking).

 

Well, some believe Naruto is the shallow one. That he loves Sakura for her looks´. Maybe because he called her cute? That is the only time he commented on her appearance. :headscratch: But it frustrates me when people think that "the inside counts" only applies when the person isn't pretty on the outside.

The NS concept and idea is cliche, but now their relationship is so complex it's like no other.

I once saw a tumblr post sh**ting on Naruto because he called her cute... And they pointed out how Sakura never was like, "Sasuke's so handsome and cool~~"  :facepalm: They said that he only likes her for her looks. Nevermind that later in that same chapter we got a (not shallow) reason he likes her, and we never get a reason that Sakura loves Naruto.  :zaru: That really pissed me off, not gonna lie.

 

Oh... And yeah, Sakura's canonically beautiful. She's had the most suitors I think (Naruto, Lee, Lover-nin), Naruto's called her cute, Jiraiya compared her beauty to Tsunade's (who, along with Kushina and Sakura ofc, are the girls who are canonically beautiful—unless I missed someone), Inari commented on how beautiful she's gotten... I think it's safe to assume she's easy on the eyes.  :P not that it matters, but I hate when people call her ugly.

 

Me too but her problem is that she is tomboish.

On part 1 her dress and clothes showed her curves which made her more atractive on part 2 her clothes turned her into a board.

 

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Me too, i like Ino mostly because her development as character is much much better than any girl on this manga.

It's great but honestly I don't think it's better than any other girl... Personally I'd say Tsunade was the best, but that's just me. Ino is awesome though, she's pretty underrated.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:33 PM

Me too but her problem is that she is tomboish.

On part 1 her dress and clothes showed her curves which made her more atractive on part 2 her clothes turned her into a board.

 

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^That's in the anime only. The manga definitely gives Sakura a shorter skirt and her outfit is more form-fitting.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:41 PM

 

^That's in the anime only. The manga definitely gives Sakura a shorter skirt and her outfit is more form-fitting.

She barely appeared on the manga for almost two/three years straight, the anime gives more impact because it shows the characters more often, obviously she's not like this on the manga on chapters like that

 

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Naruto is also quite different

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If i recall she was very attractive on one of special chapters regarding RTN.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:43 PM

Isn't she described to be tomboy though? I remember one databook called her that. That or one of those volumes description. I forgot but she is supposedly to be like that. Let's not forget that she only trying to make herself look at her "best" for Sasuke, especially her hair. Nothing wrong with tomboy like girl. Often, tsundere comes from that type. But that's just me.




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