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[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

Honestly if he liked her why did he gave her ( and a lot of others)  this craptastic ending?

 

Even if Kishi is weak willed and etc, ultimately the decision to ruin Sakura and the history came from him, if he really liked the character he wouldn't do that to her

 

I see Kishi being impartial towards Sakura, and then even having something like hate towards her because he never managed to truly make her a good female main character due to his own incompentency as a writer

 

I honestly don't know how you and a couple of other people here still have the drive to try to defend him somehow, I mean, sure I think he was influenced by SP and SJW too but c'mon just look at how Oda, Togashi, Miura, Isayama and other manga authors works, they put their own ideas into the paper and they consider the advice they receive before using them, if Kishi didn't had the drive to impose his own ideas or to indentify and refuse bad ideas from his editors then it's ultimately his fault  as a manga author and he should receive blame for that 

 

Then you misinterpret what I said. I was never defending Kishi at all. Just simply stating that Kishi does not hate Sakura.

 

I think that this was planned from the beginning. When you look at what happened since (even before) the ending everything comes off like some executives huddled together to find away to maximizes profits off Naruto's ending.

 

First you have the manga end after 15 years on it's 700th chapter 1 month before the release of "The Last Naruto Movie."

 

Then you have the author go around for a month talking about how great the ending is and the perfect the pairings are and how everyone should see the movie.

 

Then you have the movie first shown in Japan so they can see it first before sending it to the 37 other countries that love Naruto. Also announce a New Naruto movie about

his son Bolt after the movies credits. After the watch such a master piece they would clearly want another serving in a couple of months? 

 

Then the next month they put one of the more well known and well received Naruto movies on tv around new years to get a bit more cash.

 

Then in February have the start of the Hiden novels series that has one novel released every month as well as the last Naruto volume.

 

Then you have the mangaka do a gaiden leading up to the Bolt movie an introducing us the main cast while making sure to end it at least one month before the Bolt movie

premieres.

 

Then finally as the climax have the gaiden volume and the Bolt movie release the same week to maximizes profit after keeping the public aware/remind of Naruto over the last 9 month.

 

In theory that could lead to a large pay day at the end. ...The problem as we all know is the ending is crap. The Last Naruto movie was awful. And those Novel and the gaiden are mediocre at best. So what was a decent business plan that could have in theory have made them a lot of money instead it has just angered the fan by rubbing in the fans' faces that Naruto has became crap, and just helped with the hemorrhaging that was already happening as well as making the Naruto franchise a laughing stock. So now everything is just damage control.

 

As for kishimoto. i don't think he hates Sakura. If he hated her he would have gotten rid of her years ago. What probably happen there was that after kishi got tried of writing Naruto and wanted it to end. SP and his editors just kept pushing Hinata in his face and telling him that nH is what the fans want and what they always wanted. Kishi wanting to do something nice for the fans for their years of support decided to give them what he was told they wanted, despite it going against everything the manga was about. The earlier interview were when he was also trying to figure out and justify why nH and SS happened over NS. (Granted he was probably bs out is ass as well.) But over the months learning and see what happen he learned what we knew all along that nH and SS are bad the ending is bad and the fans that like those thing rarely actually financially support the series, and the fans that did love the story/character/ect are angry and left. Which is why in the last interview kishi basically said SS is a toxic relationship, people mainly like Hinata for her big breasts, and she was barely involved with Naruto's life. Because he knows he been had.

 

Kishi gave up because he had no idea where to go with the story beyond Yahagi's assistant. That is my main reason to believe that he was constantly saying for 7 years that he wanted out of Naruto besides that he was tire and wanted to go on his honeymoon.

[Nar123]

 

Then you misinterpret what I said. I was never defending Kishi at all. Just simply stating that Kishi does not hate Sakura.

 

 

 

And I wonder why do you say that considering what he did with her on this ending and on the final chapters  

Edited by Nar123, 25 July 2015 - 07:25 PM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Tbh, I have had a similar childhood as Kishi and Naruto. Even If I am successful I often need to be reassured by others and being deeply affected by people liking what I do even if they are wrong. Kishi's weakness might have been to give too much attention to fan letters acknowledging. The issue is that they don't necessarily understand what you are trying to say and they might have their own ideal image of the story and act on emotions rather than logic and subtext.

 

Well as human beings we feel good when someone tells us that we've done something well. It's normal. On some level we seek acknowledgement, of course it depends from individual to individual. Thing is this could also be used by others. And I'm saying this because I did.

 

What's really sad being that this is pretty much solely from Gaiden. You get into the main "Naruto" manga and you'd go into the billions in terms of unanswered questions.

Well I focused more on Gaiden because it's the most recent one. But like you said if you go with the original "Naruto" you'll go with billions of unanswered questions.

I'm sure the burrito movie will add even more questions.

[TheFirstEvil100]

You know what was funny had a dream that the Daleks attacked that Naruto world which began sort of like this.

 

 

 

And then it end with the whole Ninja world dead why Naruto tries to use Talk no Jutsu on them lol.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

 

I don't think it was planned it since the beginning, Kishi had no perspective of how famous Naruto would become and he didn't even had part 2 planned. 

 

I think that the general ending ( not the details) was planned back in 2012 with the beginning of the last production, with SP convincing Kishi that the last movie should be a NH romance one and him accepting it because reasons 

 

It's also obvious that their plan obviously backfired with the last not even reaching the 2 million yen mark in their home country, then the failure of the merchandising and if SP's current animation quality downfall is any indication 

 

I mean, it can't be just a coincidence that after the top quality animation they used on the last  they couldn't even use an acceptable animation into their other series, the Naruto series reached an all time low in the animation aspect and Tokyo Ghoul root A suffered. My guess is that SP didn't managed to cover the cost of the last and the advertisement with what the movie earned, so basically they had to save money by downplaying some technical aspects in their series

I didn't say kishi was involved in any of the planning. i'm saying business people came up with the release schedule that's been happening for the last nine month in order for them to maximize profits. It has backfired obviously. Since they didn't think that Naruto could get that bad from just two chapter and a movie enough for the fans to start abandoning the series in mass. 

 

As for kishi someone at some point convinced him that what we got was what the fans wanted, which he only enacted himself at the very last minute. The reason for why been acting the way he has since the ending is simple. He first thought he had given the fans what they wanted and they would love it so he went along with it. After he realize that wasn't the case and that he been had he started to do what he been doing since at least February.

 

 Edit: Also kishi is not a business man he may love money but he not a business man. Everything that has happened in the last nine months (other than the fan increasingly negative souring reaction to everything that released and the franchise as a whole) is far to well plan out, set up , (except for the story itself) and scheduled for it just to be coincidence. So clearly set up these release dates before hand and it would have to come from someone higher in the food chain then kishi.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 July 2015 - 07:13 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Superman is the best!

[LuckyChi7]

Just curious when was the last time you guys saw Road to Ninja?

[Nar123]

Back in march, I think

Edited by Nar123, 26 July 2015 - 09:01 PM.

[luffyq1]

Superman is the best!

damn right he is.

[RyohkiFan]

Just curious when was the last time you guys saw Road to Ninja?

Last year when I was catching up...(caught up for nothing..the grudge will never leave)

[redrose3443]

I wonder how the sales will do for this spin off. It proved to be absolutely pointless, because they ended up right back where they started with Sasuke gone, while Sakura went back to her chores, the only difference is that Salad is no longer complaining.

I can't see why any NH fans would want to buy it, since their pairing is nonexistent. Meanwhile for SS, the pairing was treated as bad as the antis thought it would, and the only thing they got out of it was a picture and Sasuke finally not calling Sakura weak, though it was bland.

i think the same people who bought Sakura Hiden will buy Gaiden, possibly less.

[rocci]

Most likely they will sell for 500 thousand.
I will surprise if it manage to sell like the regular manga.

[Tiller]

Superman is the best!

He used to be. Isn't he depowered and riding a motorcycle around now? Last I heard anyways.

 

I've cleaned my hands of DC comics a long time ago. They have become a joke. Least imo.

[LuckyChi7]

Last year when I was catching up...(caught up for nothing..the grudge will never leave)

 

Would you end up rewatching it again?

 

 

I'll be honest I'm actually watching it at the moment, and for some reason I don't feel like ripping Naruto apart. Watching that movie brings back old feelings that I used to have for the series before it became the mess it is today.

[Luna]

Would you end up rewatching it again?
 
 
I'll be honest I'm actually watching it at the moment, and for some reason I don't feel like ripping Naruto apart. Watching that movie brings back old feelings that I used to have for the series before it became the mess it is today.

Cant bare to watch it because the damage to Sakura is fresh. kitten Naruto.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I wonder how the sales will do for this spin off. It proved to be absolutely pointless, because they ended up right back where they started with Sasuke gone, while Sakura went back to her chores, the only difference is that Salad is no longer complaining.

I can't see why any NH fans would want to buy it, since their pairing is nonexistent. Meanwhile for SS, the pairing was treated as bad as the antis thought it would, and the only thing they got out of it was a picture and Sasuke finally not calling Sakura weak, though it was bland.

i think the same people who bought Sakura Hiden will buy Gaiden, possibly less.

NH fans will like it simply because it shows Sakura "loving" Sasuke and not Naruto, so anything to "stick it" to the NS fandom.

[RyohkiFan]

 
Would you end up rewatching it again?
 
 
I'll be honest I'm actually watching it at the moment, and for some reason I don't feel like ripping Naruto apart. Watching that movie brings back old feelings that I used to have for the series before it became the mess it is today.

No, even if I liked it, I am laying off Naruto after it made me catch up...no one understood my anger..lol

[Gaara's hair]

No, even if I liked it, I am laying off Naruto after it made me catch up...no one understood my anger..lol

You should let it all out. Everywhere. Unless you're over it then nevermind Billy

[RyohkiFan]

You should let it all out. Everywhere. Unless you're over it then nevermind Billy

I don't have the anger anymore...

[Gaara's hair]

I don't have the anger anymore...

Good, rangers have no need for anger. Or you could take your anger of something else and act like it's Nauto anger...