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[Narufan85]

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'Come with me Karin I need you.'

 

Karin is the only female Sasuke has ever said that to, the only woman (maybe with the exception of his mother) that Sasuke has ever acknowledged, she's also the only girl he ever saved, and worshiped him for something other than his good looks and skills, she saw the person who saved her life, and Karin had full trust in Sasuke, something he broke. Sakura never showed that level of trust in Sasuke, remember she was the one who realised he was going to leave the village, if she fully trusted him she would not have been there to try and stop him that night.

 

Both SS and SK are lame but (because of Sasuke's mental state largely.) SK is the only one where we've seen that Sasuke might actually have cared for her, and Karin's love for Sasuke has been shown to be beyond physical attraction, (something we never saw with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.) Karin knew the depth of hatred Sasuke felt because she could feel the darkness in his chakra, because of that she might be the only person that actually understood Sasuke better than anyone else.

 

I don't understand why Kishi spent any time building up SK and NS if they both were just going to be tossed aside. It's so infuriating.

 

her fight with neji and her proud failure speech in chapter 98 was the best character development for hinata imo. damn, back then it felt like hinata would grow to be something special. too bad she was handled by a moron.

 

She had such potential and it was totally squandered. It could have been SO EASY for Kishi to build NH as a legitimate pairing by showing gradual growth for Hinata. Instead he throws it all together at the end.

 

 

More and more disgraceful by the second. Still can't believe the sakura I loved turned into this garbage.

 

He's not keeping her waiting, he never wanted to be with her in the first place

 

I KNOW! Sakura went from a super awesome heroine to a worthless, spineless 12-year old.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

She had such potential and it was totally squandered. It could have been SO EASY for Kishi to build NH as a legitimate pairing by showing gradual growth for Hinata. Instead he throws it all together at the end.

Maybe Hinata had potential, not NH. Horrible cliche

[AHK]

 

I don't understand why Kishi spent any time building up SK and NS if they both were just going to be tossed aside. It's so infuriating.

 

 

She had such potential and it was totally squandered. It could have been SO EASY for Kishi to build NH as a legitimate pairing by showing gradual growth for Hinata. Instead he throws it all together at the end.

 

I KNOW! Sakura went from a super awesome heroine to a worthless, spineless 12-year old.

The more that comes out, the further she gets away. It's frustrating as kitten. 

[FireFox]

New additional info to summary of Sakura's novel. Again, not from me. Source is NF.

 

New information in this version

1. "Till next time" (Sasuke was referred to as (that) "man" lol)

2. Sakura's Hiden happens in the spring after the Last

3. While cheering for her friend's love life, she has not let known of her own feelings

4. "Till when (should I) wait"

(Looks like someone is growing impatient because of all the hookups around her)

Other tidbits
The word choice 想い忍ぶ者 (omoishinobumono) might explain why her feelings were described as "hidden", she is suppressing them...
The word "試練" (Shiren, "ordeal") in the synopsis is probably a pun of 思恋 (Shiren, "longing, yearning") in the title of her novel

 

I think this pretty much sums up this Novel

 

I'm afraid for Suckura's future she'll turn insane if Princu Sasky Kwoon doesn't come back soon !?   .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 25 March 2015 - 07:25 PM.

[Narufan85]

Maybe Hinata had potential, not NH. Horrible cliche

 

Yeah, NH is horrible and cliche. But it would be really easy to make a few, small changes to make it build in a more believable and realistic fashion.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm still expecting exact same song from DBZ movie 2, only is Sasuke, not Piccolo.

[Metalhead87]

 

Yeah, NH is horrible and cliche. But it would be really easy to make a few, small changes to make it build in a more believable and realistic fashion.

 

Just goes to show how lazy and/or incompetent the people behind this series actually are that they couldn't do it.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I'm still expecting exact same song from DBZ movie 2, only is Sasuke, not Piccolo.

 

Don't give 'em ideas, Sparda! Just... DON'T.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Yeah, NH is horrible and cliche. But it would be really easy to make a few, small changes to make it build in a more believable and realistic fashion.

Series would drop quality. So no questions why it didn't shoot.

[Namikaze Clan]

Series would drop quality. So no questions why it didn't shoot.

How would developing NH properly cause the series to drop? If anything it would be beneficial to both the pairing and the plot

[NarutoUzumaki01]

How would developing NH properly cause the series to drop? If anything it would be beneficial to both the pairing and the plot

While it was more predictable and alot worse concept than NS, some % would drop it due to this, those who didn't care for fights.

[Narufan85]

Series would drop quality. So no questions why it didn't shoot.

 

How? I mean, I'm not trying to defend NH in its current form, but I think you are overstating 1) how boring and cliche NH would be if done well and 2) the fact that people wouldn't like it. 

 

I said it a long time ago, but I stand by it. If Kishi had taken a different route with Hinata and followed the logical progression he started to lay out during the exams, a lot of us would be NH shippers and not NS.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

How? I mean, I'm not trying to defend NH in its current form, but I think you are overstating 1) how boring and cliche NH would be if done well and 2) the fact that people wouldn't like it. 

 

I said it a long time ago, but I stand by it. If Kishi had taken a different route with Hinata and followed the logical progression he started to lay out during the exams, a lot of us would be NH shippers and not NS.

Already wrote than, less intresting concept, much more predictable, nothing intresting, but oh well, it was intresting for those who saw 2 moments in manga and still worshiped it as hell, so who knows how much crazy fans could be.

[Narufan85]

Already wrote than, less intresting concept, much more predictable, nothing intresting, but oh well, it was intresting for those who saw 2 moments in manga and still worshiped it as hell, so who knows how much crazy fans could be.

 

Right, you are deliberately ignoring the whole point of my argument. Hinata is a boring character as she's constructed in the manga. Kishi could easily have made her far more dynamic and made the ship far more interesting. That's the whole point!

[narusakueremika]

New additional info to summary of Sakura's novel. Again, not from me. Source is NF.

 

 

i'm sorry but what makes sakura think sasukes going to get with her if he comes back??

[WhyDoIWatch]

And yet they were changing the system, which he blatantly ignored in favor of what he wanted. He was stupid and naive to blame everything of the Kages, as the system was garbage long before their time. They were making an attempt to change the world for the better, but Sasuke threw a hissy for because it wasn't his way. The reasons Sasuke wanted to kill Naruto don't make up for the wrongness of the act. Sasuke didn't train for anything involving his eyes once he got the MS, he just knew how to do things, which is horse crap. At least when Naruto used Kurama down the line, he did it in tandem with Kurama, thus Kurama was guiding him along.

The two other times were in jest? So when he followed up on one of those times by putting her through a brutal genjutsu, it was in jest? So because Itachi put him in a genjutsu and tortured him, it's ok for him to levy the same on someone else? Are you really justifying that? As for him defending from her, he tried to murder her first, when she hesitated in killing Karin. She only attacked him later, when Naruto went to save her. In no way does that excuse him trying to kill her.

Furthermore, saying that there was nothing she could do is the same as calling her useless. The effect was the same, as her face suggests. Not to mention that he followed it up by saying that her and Kakashi would be dead/in IT had they not been standing next to Naruto. And then he didn't even bat an eye when they were about to fall in lava, because they were no use to him

 

Raikage kidnapped Hinata and almost risked a war between Konoha, Onooki hired the Akatsuki, Gaara is a crazy murderer that should be locked up not a leader, see these are three out of five who are complete asses, even Mei denied Gaara any help when needed. Sasuke just thinks that the Shinobi made an alliance because they had a common enemy he doesn't know that they bonded while fighting together.

 

In the Killer Bee fight he got defeated he wasn't a master at it and had to train with the. They were in jest, it showed that he remembered her confession and their first conversion together, and I wasn't saying it was justified because it isnt but rather giving someone "tough love" isn't an entirely new premise in Naruto. 

 

Sakura went to Sasuke and said that she would help him in destroying Konaho, he wants to test her by telling her to kill Karin for him, she hesitates which means she obviously isn't going to help him and he probably figured she was planing something, the thrid time she was sticking a knife to his back, and the first time he didn't want to kill her as showed by Yamato who took the hit. He looks at Kakashi/Sasuke and finds out that Kakashi has it under control.  I'm not trying to act like Sasuke is a saint he isnt but he also isn't a complete ass....

 

Yeah, NH is horrible and cliche. But it would be really easy to make a few, small changes to make it build in a more believable and realistic fashion.

Well to be fair all the main parings have cliche premise, SS is "girl saves bad guy with her love", NS is "girl loves the main who always loved her and stopped loving the jerk" but they clearly have more to them...

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Right, you are deliberately ignoring the whole point of my argument. Hinata is a boring character as she's constructed in the manga. Kishi could easily have made her far more dynamic and made the ship far more interesting. That's the whole point!

I guess you don't undestand what I mean. How would he made her intresting? Give her some backbone? Develope her in fights and etc. Where could her character growth? Far more than confident moe that gain enough confidence to confess to her beloved one? 

I'm not saying that Hinata coudn't get a proper development, granted, she could as every female character here. But whole concept of NH for me is boring, so where exactly I missed your point?

 

Well to be fair all the main parings have cliche premise, SS is "girl saves bad guy with her love", NS is "girl loves the main who always loved her and stopped loving the jerk" but they clearly have more to them...

And how many of those was in shonen, not shojo?

 

Sakura went to Sasuke and said that she would help him in destroying Konaho, he wants to test her by telling her to kill Karin for him, she hesitates which means she obviously isn't going to help him and he probably figured she was planing something, the thrid time she was sticking a knife to his back, and the first time he didn't want to kill her as showed by Yamato who took the hit. He looks at Kakashi/Sasuke and finds out that Kakashi has it under control.  I'm not trying to act like Sasuke is a saint he isnt but he also isn't a complete ass....

Except Sasuke wanted to kill them all with Kirin.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 25 March 2015 - 07:49 PM.

[Narufan85]

 

I guess you don't undestand what I mean. How would he made her intresting? Give her some backbone? Develope her in fights and etc. Where could her character growth? Far more than confident moe that gain enough confidence to confess to her beloved one? 

I'm not saying that Hinata coudn't get a proper development, granted, she could as every female character here. But whole concept of NH for me is boring, so where exactly I missed your point?

 

 

 

Why do you find NS an appealing ship?

[ichigo500]

New additional info to summary of Sakura's novel. Again, not from me. Source is NF.

 

 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Why do you find NS an appealing ship?

It's implanted into the story, there is no clear pairing moments for pairing purpose. Both parts developed through the story. Both sides got a tons of signs and parallels to other genarations. It was one of main skeletons of story telling in manga, though it was more foreshadowed than spoken openly. And at best - whole purpose of couple was happines of other partner not "I may die, but he totally needs to know what I feel", both choose ways for happines of partner.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 25 March 2015 - 07:57 PM.