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#1241 maliousdei

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:07 AM

In my opinion, the main reason that sakura's feelings for sasuke lasted so long was because of naruto himself.

1. he made her dream come true by having sasuke say what she wanted to hear, major contributor.
2. whenever sakura started to get depressed because of sasuke's rejections of her date requests, naruto would make his own and that caused her to replace her depression from sasuke to comical rage with naruto.
3. when she thought sasuke was going to leave, naruto gave her hope.
4. when naruto failed to bring sasuke back, sakura was willing to give up on sasuke, but naruto restored her faith by not giving up.
5. whenever she got depressed because of the things she heard about sasuke, naruto always cheered her up.
6. when sakura, like the other konoha 11, gave up on sasuke all together, naruto reinforced her hope in bringing sasuke back by showing how far he was willing to go for him.

so basically, it's all naruto's fault.

Edited by maliousdei, 18 August 2010 - 03:17 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:27 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 17 2010, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry guys, but my faith in the pairing has been shaken. At this point, I am seriously having doubt that sakura will ever be in love with naruto the way he loves her. my main concerns of course rise from the confession.

* it was a lie. We all know that, she did it to make sure naruto would be safe and not get involved with sasuke anymore than he was.
* as of yet, we have not had any positive indication that naruto still feels the same way he did before about sakura.
* those two had moved on from the confession like nothing ever happened. because they are "just friends" maybe that's as far as it will go.
* Sakura saw the confession as a way to help naruto, without actually being in love with him. after all that naruto has done for her, after everything those two have felt for one another, if all of that wasn't enough to make her love him, what will!?

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:47 AM

QUOTE (dfammer @ Aug 17 2010, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
N.H. shipper!


Don't accused anyone of being something they are not. If I catch that again, consider yourself a warning. That goes to anyone else who pull this stunt.

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#1244 maliousdei

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:59 AM

BTW, let me clarify one thing: I AM NOT NOW NOR WILL I EVER BE A NARUHINA OR SASUSAKU SHIPPER! I'm just having concerns about the whole confession issue. it kind of set us back a bit in the war. I'm worried that if the confession was a lie, it may or may not be, i'm considering it might be a lie due to it's presentation and kakashi's, sai's, yamato's, lee's, and kiba's reactions. I'm worried and wonder if all naruto did for sakura couldn't make her fall for him, what will make her fall for him?

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 18 2010, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, let me clarify one thing: I AM NOT NOW NOR WILL I EVER BE A NARUHINA OR SASUSAKU SHIPPER! I'm just having concerns about the whole confession issue. it kind of set us back a bit in the war. I'm worried that if the confession was a lie, it may or may not be, i'm considering it might be a lie due to it's presentation and kakashi's, sai's, yamato's, lee's, and kiba's reactions. I'm worried and wonder if all naruto did for sakura couldn't make her fall for him, what will make her fall for him?

How long ago was it that you got around to reading those chapters...? I had my initial doubts. But after reviewing the dialogue(in 474) it actually is stating that Sakura does indeed love Naruto. And considering her actions she loves him more than Sasuke.

If you didn't, please read my post on the last page near the top. I talked about it.
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#1246 maliousdei

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:12 AM

i understand in that translation it said that, but in another sai said she gave up on sasuke and chose him. that kind of left a sour taste to it for me. also, the reactions from the guys around naruto and sakura kind of shook me up as well.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:25 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 18 2010, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i understand in that translation it said that, but in another sai said she gave up on sasuke and chose him. that kind of left a sour taste to it for me. also, the reactions from the guys around naruto and sakura kind of shook me up as well.


We understand your doubts but let me clarify:

The whole Sakura's confession, its another dramatic point for the story. You can see the reason why because its not only an action shonen type story but it's part of the drama genre as well. The reactions to the other characters: it was unexpected, especially for Lee because he also has feelings for Sakura (despite the fact LeeSaku had no stand since years! tongue.gif) . You can clearly see that in the previous chapters right beforehand the confession with Lee and Kiba's conversation.

Now for translations, I'll highly stick to the official translation (Viz) instead of fan translations because majority of the fan translations can either have errors (spelling and grammatical because in reality the English language is very complicated now at days), biased opinions or choice of words because it can mean one thing but its the other way around. Official translations goes to the best route as possible in order to make the story sense enough for the reader to interpret, infer and make judgments (basic reading comprehension skills).

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#1248 Zin

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:37 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 18 2010, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i understand in that translation it said that, but in another sai said she gave up on sasuke and chose him. that kind of left a sour taste to it for me. also, the reactions from the guys around naruto and sakura kind of shook me up as well.

I don't know what to say about the translation. All of them are different...(I really need to learn Japanese. sleep.gif)

The guys that came with her, I think, were just wondering what exactly she was doing. They came to go kill Sasuke after all.

I think Yamato and Kakashi had the same suspicions as Naruto honestly. Why would she come all the way out there for just that ? With a team ?

@Derock,

We've still got a long time to go for the official translation. So unfortunately, unless the person reading knows japanese themselves, all we can do is consider the current translations and make our own judgement as to what it really means.

Edited by Zin, 18 August 2010 - 04:41 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:53 AM

hats actually something i never understood... why lee and kiba were with her.. i mean if she was there only to confess to naruto what were they doing there.. and why kiba and lee? :/
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:59 AM

they were probably going to go with sakura and sai to deal with sasuke after naruto heard about the konoha 11's decision.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:01 AM

Most likely Sakura already knew that Naruto wouldn't give up on Sasuke. Which is another reason that I think the confession is real. If she had already assumed that Naruto wouldn't give up, then there was no reason for her to lie about her feelings.

This has been brought up before, but I think I'll bring it up again. I think Sakura believed that once she killed Sasuke. Naruto would hate her. So essentially, that was the last time she had a chance to tell him her feelings.

Edited by Zin, 18 August 2010 - 05:04 AM.

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Sam: "Sorry." - Anna Grímsdóttir and Sam Fisher, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

#1252 maliousdei

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:05 AM

sakura may have thought that lying to naruto about her feelings would be the best solution in order to keep him safe and away from sasuke. granted, this isn't the best idea. but she was in a state of panic when she thought of this.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:07 AM

yeah probably (: i mean she maybe thought that she could convence naruto not to go after sasuke and that she could do it herself because.. after all, the main reason that naruto wants sasuke back is because of her so now that she realizes that she loves naruto she feels guilty
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:08 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 18 2010, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sakura may have thought that lying to naruto about her feelings would be the best solution in order to keep him safe and away from sasuke. granted, this isn't the best idea. but she was in a state of panic when she thought of this.

Yes, but she also said she didn't want to make anymore mistakes. She didn't want to hurt Naruto anymore. Lying to him, saying that she loves him if she actually didn't, would be a monumental mistake.
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Anna: "The Maria Narcissa."
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Anna: "The Maria Narcissa is a boat."
Sam: "So was the last girl you set me up with."
Anna: "Fisher!"
Sam: "Sorry." - Anna Grímsdóttir and Sam Fisher, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:10 AM

i dont think she was lying at all, and naruto knew that... but he had to clear things up with sasuke before thinking bout sakura's feelings
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:14 AM

QUOTE (ShinkuUzumaki @ Aug 18 2010, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont think she was lying at all, and naruto knew that... but he had to clear things up with sasuke before thinking bout sakura's feelings

I think it had more to do with the fact that Sakura still had lingering feelings for Sasuke. Yet she said that she was over him completely. He was also calling her out on why she was there to begin with...
"I've always equated "feelings" with "getting caught"...they both get in the way of my money. Unfortunately not everyone is as committed to their work as I am." - Garrett, Thief:TMA

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Anna: "The Maria Narcissa."
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Anna: "The Maria Narcissa is a boat."
Sam: "So was the last girl you set me up with."
Anna: "Fisher!"
Sam: "Sorry." - Anna Grímsdóttir and Sam Fisher, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:21 AM

yes.. and we all know that he cares bout sakura's feelings above his owns
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:29 AM

QUOTE (ShinkuUzumaki @ Aug 18 2010, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes.. and we all know that he cares bout sakura's feelings above his owns

Well... It's also because Naruto's idea of team 7 never really changed. His image of Sasuke and Sakura never changed no matter what happened or what they did. He still assumed that everything could go back to the way it was before. But, both Sasuke and Sakura have changed drastically and that just hadn't hit him yet. When the team 7 photo shattered in Naruto's mind I think that's when he finally realized it.

Anyways, part of it was because he thought Sakura's feelings never changed. Or perhaps never could change. A part of it was because of the way that she confessed. And a part of it was his suspicion as to why she was there to begin with.(I can't help but feel that seeing Kiba set warning bells off in their minds too...He's a scout/tracker.)

Edited by Zin, 18 August 2010 - 05:30 AM.

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Sam: "So was the last girl you set me up with."
Anna: "Fisher!"
Sam: "Sorry." - Anna Grímsdóttir and Sam Fisher, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 06:40 AM

QUOTE (maliousdei @ Aug 18 2010, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, let me clarify one thing: I AM NOT NOW NOR WILL I EVER BE A NARUHINA OR SASUSAKU SHIPPER! I'm just having concerns about the whole confession issue. it kind of set us back a bit in the war. I'm worried that if the confession was a lie, it may or may not be, i'm considering it might be a lie due to it's presentation and kakashi's, sai's, yamato's, lee's, and kiba's reactions. I'm worried and wonder if all naruto did for sakura couldn't make her fall for him, what will make her fall for him?

a member Ciardha@ has basic japanese experience she most of the time clears stuff up. yes sakura indeed loves naruto she chosen naruto over sasuke because she loves naruto more . i myself believe in interviews kish as well pointed to her being honest we have no evidence of kish playing with us he was spacific but this opinion is various between members

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 09:07 AM

simply put the one notion that the Naruto fandom in general and the NaruSaku fandom in particular needs to disabuse itself from is the notion that Sakura was lying about her feelings for Naruto.

let me make this absolutley and perfectly and finally clear.

She was not lying about her feelings for naruto.

the confession can be broken down into three basic elements.

1: Tell Naruto her feelings (or Naruto I said I love you)

2: Tell Naruto that he doesnt need to pursue Sasuke any more (Or so dont worry about the promise)

3: Tell Naruto she really does feel that way about him (Or only I know my feelings)

the only lie she told throughout the confession was during part 2. In essence the confession was supposed to be about the rookies decision to kill Sasuke. Sakura had insisted that she be the one to tell Naruto.

this is the source of the angry faces and shocked faces. everyone was wondering what the heck happened, for yamato and kakashi they could tell she was holding something back, and for Lee, Kiba and Sai they were suprrised because she was supposed to tell him about Sasuke, and instead confesses to loving naruto.

It was this ambiguity that Naruto caught onto and combiend with his image of team 7 as kids firmly entrenched in his head couldnt bring himself to believe her.

this snippet from Twin Enigmas story Five by Five very adroitley descrives what happens to Naruto when his picture of team 7 is shattered
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The real Sakura tore into that memory out of nowhere, a surprise attack, and the memory hangs tattered in sun-faded ribbons. It shouldn't hurt, but it does because he loved it. He has accepted the memory Sakura as truth for so long that to lose her is like being blindsided and he almost resents the real thing for destroying that image, almost.



it is this shattering fo the mental image that throws him for the biggest loop. Also Sakura insistence that only she can understand her feelings. Her comment about women being ficke as the autumn Skies is a classic anime and eastern saying regarding how a woman can change her feelings.

As I've said before, Protecting someone requires you to by nature shut them out from what ever may hurt them, in this case the rookies decision would hurt Naruto and thus Sakura desired to protect him just as she did when the 4 tailed Kyuubi hurt her.

conversely confessing to someone by definition requires you to open up to someone at the risk that you might be rejected and thus hurt. this requires some courage to do as the risk can be big. Hinata only found the courage because at the time she thought she was going to die protecting naruto and thus had nothing left to lose.

Sakuras though took a hell of a lot more courage, because in her case she was not facing a life or death situation or a madman intent on killing her.

She was facing Naruto with witnesses nearby and the witnesses were her peers and friends and teachers. For a girl like Sakura this would be a big moment and she handled it well.

the only issue though was that you cannot simultaneously look left and right at the same time, and this was the root of Sakuras problem with the confession.

in conclusion for all the crap Sakura has taken for the confession the main argument is that shes lying to Naruto. Simply put this is not true. she only withheld one thing from Him and that is the rookies decision about Sasuke.

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