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#1241 TheQueenB

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:15 AM

I must say that slex has some point

 

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See? I told you guys! :chuckle:

 

And Slextrem isn't the only one who's made a somewhat similar point about it just being a confession. Yes, the love and concern are there and she really wants him to stop, but it isn't about her feelings. She's trying to help but an end to this, but, because she's so kind and still wants for things to be the way they used to be, this is all she can do. If she were just an emotional mess, she wouldn't have thrown out the comment about Sasuke being the way he was, which was totally negative. She isn't weak for baring herself; this is her way of confronting him and putting an end to this mess. 


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:15 AM

Who knows, maybe Kishi abondoned the idea of NaruSaku? Maybe it was meant to be, but he changed his plans? Anyway, at this point I dont see any good way in which NS could become canon. It can be, but it will be sh*tty.

 

No that would be crazy. Imagine if you're a a writer, you want your story to end in a precise way, why would you change this ? I mean, the end is the most important part of your story. Well It's true it's possible after all, he could have changed his opinion since it last for so long, but I think a mangaka is committed to his story. I mean, if Kishimoto wanted to finish it on NaruSaku (and I think this is it), then he will not end on something else. That would feel unsatisfying for him don't you think ? I think Kishimoto had the end in his head when he started to write the beginning.

But well, if mangastream translation is right, then Kishimoto put himself in some trap, because it will be hard to make NaruSaku acceptable from this. Kakashi saying that Sakura only wanted to be Sasuke's possession, it's really too much...

But IMO, mangastream twisted the story again. I know 天地長久 said that it's really present tense, but I prefer to wait for the raw for it to be confirmed before getting really pissed. Because I would be pissed if mangastream version was the whole truth... really. I have always defended this story and Kishi, but with this, I would feel like Kishi is going crazy and harming his manga. Some sentences were really too much. I'm not driving crazy about it, I'm just asking questions to myself, because it's so different between mangastream and mangapanda. How the translation could be this different ? It's weird. I tend to believe more on mangapanda because mangastream had a lot of errors back then, but what 天地長久 said is bringing questions.

Meh...


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:16 AM

Only Sakura saw it. Naruto understood what Sasuke did but he didn't see what Sakura did.

Oh, so he didn't saw how crap Sasuke treated Sakura? If he did saw it, what do you think will be his reaction?


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:16 AM

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Kishimoto is annihilating all the ships one by one. So when 'The last' happens, he can start all the relationship building from scratch. That is Kishi's way of pleasing all the pairing fandoms.  :zaru:



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:16 AM

The VOTE... so much Irony.... so fitting... so, predictable. I have a feeling Naruto is going to kick his @$$


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:17 AM

 

More like go into shock thinking you were just stabbed in the heart.

At least that way its over for Kishi giving Sakura the middle finger.



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:18 AM

gosh Sasuke declares he's gonna kill Naruto....and Sakura just says she wants Sasuke back.

 

Why do these guys want him back so much!!!?

 

I'm sorry....I gotta stop and cool off....

Sasuke is just irresistible. Everyone wants a piece of Sasuke. Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, Hashirama, Obito, Deidara (God knows why, Deidara wanted him because his business was with Itachi), Karin, Jugo, Suigetsu, Hinata, Kiba, Shino, you everyone. 

 

Frankly, she would be more a nuisance than help for Naruto, they are just too powerful.

True she not on their level but it doesn't mean she should stay out of it.


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:19 AM

 

Right.  It was obviously a genjutsu.  Naruto said so right after it happened.  My question was about whether or not there was any possible way Naruto could know what happened in the genjutsu.

Of course not how should he know that?


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:20 AM

Maybe in Sakura's dream she's dating Sasuke and team 7 is back together.

that's what I hope for. Team 7 minus Naruto. Naruto's dead there. The only other option I'm ready to accept is if in the genjutsu, NH is happen and Sakura get jealous somehow, 2 birds with 1 stone. I want Naruto to be the cause of her breaking it. Other is a trigger with the bench scene. I don't see NS dead, far from it. But if it is to happened with nothing major, it'll appear has an ass-pull. There was too much development to waste the pairing in an ass-pull.

 

That's the main reason I fear even SS can happen now (we know Sasuke will reform for no reason after this fight unless we got a part3 ) so why not accept Sakura's feeling for killing any trace of logic:P.



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:21 AM

I must say that slex has some point

 

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Just saw that myself. Slexxy made a great point. :yes:


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:22 AM

What'd the raw say?
I cracked up.

 

"This child had almost been killed by you sometimes... Even now, she is sheding tears by caring of you... It's because she is suffering from her love for you!"

 

lol... that makes even more worse from SS's pov... She is suffering... It's like loving him it's really a big pain for her.


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:23 AM

So he has to turn her into a sopping mess to get his point across while butchering her character in the process. Just how far is he willing to go to get his point across? Until she's dead?

I honestly don't know

 

whether she learns her lesson now or not it's too late for her character she should have learnt it way before.

True she hasn't learned but I don't think it will be too late



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:23 AM

Kishi hates Sakura... I get it.

 

And that hate is influencing this site.  thank you Kishi.


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:25 AM

I just feel bad for Sakura fans overall, what a terrible chapter for them.  It's like she's there to be just trashed around for Kishi.  At least he had the decency to show how detrimental the love she has for Sasuke is.  



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:25 AM

Oh, so he didn't saw how crap Sasuke treated Sakura? If he did saw it, what do you think will be his reaction?

 

Dude... obviously Naruto wasn't able to witness the genjutsu Sakura saw in her mind.


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:26 AM

 
I'm glad to see you're still around ramenanmitsu. I understand why you want to quit but I would like you to stay...

I agree with you about NaruSaku as a pairing. I still think it's the endgame, but I'm like you I love them because I was able to admire, sympathise, and enjoy the couple, just as you said. What I like about them is not just the finallity, or win some puerile battle. I know it's needed to clear up everything about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, but I'm started to think it's taking too much time to be honest. Well, I'm still waiting for the raw to confirm, but I really don't understand why would Kishi said that her feelings changed back then through Kakashi, and then this chapter... If she really used present tense, then it's a mess. Really. 
I also agree with you about Naruto. In the beginning, Naruto was able to yell at Sasuke, he seems more real to his feelings. Now it's true he's a little less reactive, and sometimes it's disappointing me. An example, that time when Sasuke almost killed Sakura and Naruto saved her. Naruto almost said nothing to Sasuke. I was really surprised. I think Kishimoto wants Naruto to look wiser than he was before, because he came to terms with his dark part, but it also made him a little weird, and I think even if this Naruto is more peaceful, the Naruto of the past seemed more real. He was full of passion, and lately, it's not so flagrant. I would like Naruto to be full of passion again.
 
About Sakura, really, the only explanation I can come up with for this chapter is that Kishi wanted her to say all this to make Sasuke say bluntly that he doesn't care about her. But if you look closely, you can see Sasuke's face seems a little fake. To me it's obvious he's touched by Sakura's words. He thought about his family also. To me it's meaning that Sasuke assimilate team7 as family. I still don't think Sasuke has some romantic feelings for her, but I think he cares deeply.
Maybe all this commotion was also to bring up the PoaL.

Also; it's not all over, so maybe Sakura will come back later. It felt to me that Kishi was setting her up for later because she was again harsh to herself and saying she was pathetic. When she's harsh to herself, she shines later on.
 
Maybe with the next chapter everything will become clear. But I was so clean with Manpanda version, I mean, I'm really chocked by Mangastream version. And if mangastream version is right, I swear, it feels like fanfiction. If this is right, I don't what know the kitten Kishi is doing.

Thanks for your post.

You might be right and I don't disagree with you. I also did think that Sasuke using a genjutsu instead of downright stabbing her might be an indication that he's remembering the bonds he had with team seven. And this might be a set-up for that. But frankly, I'm tired of how Kishi uses Sakura in order to get his message across. He purposely damages Sakura in order to make Naruto and Sasuke look stronger, to emphasize their bonds, to make them look cool. He's using Sakura as a plot device to make way for the other characters to shine. This is an author abusing his most harmless character because he has no ability to get his point across in other convincing ways.

I also don't disagree that this might be a set-up for her future development. But I can't bring myself to care anymore. I'm not going to read this manga because my favorite character is finally going to gain her development at chapter 748 in a 750 chaptered story. Every character have their ups and downs, they make mistakes and learn from it, become better, and that is character development. Sakura makes mistakes, learns from it a hundred chapters later, develops a hundred chapter later, make the SAME mistake again, goes back in the background and disappear for a while. This is NOT steady character development. This is Sakura going back and forth. Kishi tends to put on repeat the mistakes Sakura made, probably because he lacks the ability to develop his characters in a realistic way so he decides to recycle them. It only ends up showing that Sakura never learns.




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I thought about that before but what else would have Naruto thought? Sasuke has chidori'd Naruto through the chest, chidori'd his Kage Bunshin, tried to Chidori Sakura's skull, tried to stab her with a kunai, tried to penetrate Kakashi with that Susanoo arrow, chidori'd Karin's chest.....considering Sasuke's history, if Naruto can't imagine Sasuke doing anything equally as gruesome as the things above, he's downright delusional. Surely, he didn't think of Sasuke showing a genjutsu of making Sakura drink a sleeping potion did he?

And even if he was delusional, that still doesn't convince me that he would have acted any way different if he could have seen it. This opinion is based on what I saw in the five Kage arc.
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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:27 AM

Well said,

 

However, why would someone if they like a girl and that girl had just confessed to them rely on a squad member who reads books to understand ppl's emotions and their dead mother? Not too mention that in the Ichiraku scene where she offers to feed him, Sai completely mis-reads the situation and interrupts the moment by trying to feed Naruto himself. The other thing is that all Sai confirmed in his explanation was that Sakura planned to kill Sasuke herself and that she probs still loves Sasuke. This would actually reinforce the fact that Sakura might not have been lying about her feelings for Naruto bc he also said that she was doing all of this for Naruto. So in short we have a situation where Naruto believes that Sakura may love both him and Sasuke. Shouldn't he be going to Sakura to figure this out? Instead he pulled even further away.

 

Besides what kills me is that if Naruto is such a friend to Sakura why doesn't he talk to her about her feelings for Sasuke. Everyone knows that Sasuke kills her emotionally. Why doesn't he at least try and help her cope? Or better yet explain to her why she has to accept that Sasuke might just never feel the same.

 

As for Hinata well I'm not big into NH bc of the lack of development I'm not giving Naruto a free pass for ignoring her. When Rin confessed to Kakashi he didn't leave her hanging he directly told her that there was no chance for anything regarding her feelings. Sure it hurt her but it also didn't leave her in limbo. Where is Naruto's class?

 

Thank you! ^_^

 

At the point of the confession, Naruto knew that Sakura was being dishonest about her reason for approaching him, and it seems that it was the primary emphasis of his comments to her during that scene and the foundation of his anger toward her. Even without the confession and Sai's involvement, he would've still believed that Sakura loves Sasuke. He still would try to confess to her after all this mess is sorted out, though, and it's obvious he's still trying to win her love, based on how he phrased things to Minato. And it makes sense. Romance really has no part in his life, at the moment, when they still have to take care of a huge mess. 

 

This whole series focuses on how actions convey one's feelings and how they are more important than words. Naruto saw how much Sakura was suffering, which is why he took Karui's punches and protected him. He wanted to protect Sasuke, himself, and, by virtue of that, he also wanted to reduce Sakura's distress about the matter. Besides, the whole point is that just being together allows them to understand how they both are feeling about something. 


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:28 AM

So he has to turn her into a sopping mess to get his point across while butchering her character in the process. Just how far is he willing to go to get his point across? Until she's dead?

yeah because apparently physical attempts to your life aren't enough, you also must be mentally tortured in the process.......



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:30 AM

I did laugh when Kakashi said "Love doens't need a reason, hate does!!"

 

HAHAAHAUHHAUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHAH WTF


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 12:31 AM

Sigh. I wish I could see things as calmly as you. I can only do that after the initial 'wtf-is-this-kitten-must-vent" stage. Although, I'm a little relieved that I'm much better than I used to be.

 

Well either way, I've been a sailor on the NS ship since the beginning, and I'm not about to abandon ship now. Now that venting stage is done, all we gotta do is sit back and let it play out.

 

...of course if something happens again next week like this, we're all probably gonna do this all over again lol  :sweat:

 

Haha! Thank you, but it's totally fine! To be honest, I was initially shocked and put off by what I had read, so I just decided to take a step back and try to think of things in the context of the big picture. Like you said, it's best to just sit back, relax, and watch things unfold. I know that everything will be fine, in the end. We just need to have more faith in Kishi. 

 

A round of applause for someone who find the light in this mess. I tend to agree with everything you say. Only the future will clarify the rest (I'm still afraid because logic since Neji's death and the reincarnation bull seems to have disappear). I hope for a good resolution before this end.

 

Thank you so much! ^_^ I'm sure Kishi won't disappoint, especially because we're in a more character-driven conflict, which appears to be more of his forte, if that makes sense. I have faith that everything will have a satisfactory conclusion! :)


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