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#1241 SuperSilverStar

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:40 AM

After re-reading this chapter I felt this complimented chapter 236 so well. I'll admit seeing that last page really pulled my heartstrings to a place where I felt a little angry about it. But then again, this happened to me with 437 and 615. I look back and think, "Man I really did overreact a bit for those moments".

 

This chapter just made me so proud of Sakura(as well as Obito). It's a shame Naruto wasn't there to witness it for himself to see her determination to help her teammates. The only thing that can ruin this in upcoming chapters is if Kishi makes Sakura blush or anything else hinting some rekindling of feelings for Sasuke. It would be so out of place and would really make me angry with Kishi. Not only that but the only time Sasuke has shown some sort of emotion towards a female in part II is when it involves Karin. And I don't think that he will do it now especially with a battle going on with Kaguya. However I would love to see Sakura resolves here feelings with Sasuke in monologue, but I think Kishi wants to drag this for however long he can.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:43 AM

i'm afraid that kishi will make sakura act like fangirl again , you know like that time when sasuke and naruto save her from baby jubi .

I didn't know that saying "Sasuke-kun" with a mix of surprise and happiness that Team Seven was working together, like old times, is fangirling . :no: 


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:49 AM

After re-reading this chapter I felt this complimented chapter 236 so well. I'll admit seeing that last page really pulled my heartstrings to a place where I felt a little angry about it. But then again, this happened to me with 437 and 615. I look back and think, "Man I really did overreact a bit for those moments".

 

This chapter just made me so proud of Sakura(as well as Obito). It's a shame Naruto wasn't there to witness it for himself to see her determination to help her teammates. The only thing that can ruin this in upcoming chapters is if Kishi makes Sakura blush or anything else hinting some rekindling of feelings for Sasuke. It would be so out of place and would really make me angry with Kishi. Not only that but the only time Sasuke has shown some sort of emotion towards a female in part II is when it involves Karin. And I don't think that he will do it now especially with a battle going on with Kaguya. However I would love to see Sakura resolves here feelings with Sasuke in monologue, but I think Kishi wants to drag this for however long he can.

yeah that what i'm afraid of :(

 

i don't mean that will make ss canon or something i know ns will be togther at the end , but it will make sakura character looks shallow .


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:02 AM

yeah that what i'm afraid of :(

 

i don't mean that will make ss canon or something i know ns will be togther at the end , but it will make sakura character looks shallow .

Yes I feel the same. One of the things I do not like to see is when other people are badmouthing Sakura. If she were to do something like that it would make NS seem less believable from Sakura's side and many people would call that out. I trust Kishi though, and hopefully it was just a cliffhanger page like all the other times when others say that the pairings have been confirmed and it ends up being nothing in the next chapter.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:16 AM

I know we should wait for the follow-up of the SS moment next chapter like with 615 before making any assumptions. I know technically anything can happening. I'm usually one of those people ore open to other possibilities I did that with 615, keeping myself open-minded. And I should do that with SS, but ...
 
Come on people. SasuSaku is not NaruHina. At least NH has had more positive development to make it slightly more believable if anything progressed. With SS, it's just .... no matter how hard I try, it's impossible for me to see Sasuke romantically acknowledging Sakura and being with her under any circumstances. Sasuke never cared about romance or responded to Sakura's advances. Even while steadying Sakura was actually nice of him, the vibe off him was just not romantic. His expression was not loving. It was just acknowledgment.
 
I can't believe the idea of romantic SS follow-up because of Sasuke's very character. Even if you ignore the negativity of SS this whole series, Sasuke is just not the type of person to fall for Sakura. Or even fall for anyone (saying he'll be with Karin is still a stretch since Sasuke still shows no romantic interest). Sasuke's main plot was never romance. It was just friendship and brotherly bonds. The vibe I got off that SS "moment" was just friendship for Team 7, lining correctly with the plot.
 
It is completely impossible for me to see Sasuke falling for Sakura. Every time I see fanart or fanfiction of him doing that, it's so painfully OCC for him I cringe even looking at it. And even if, by some earth-shattering miracle, SasuSaku ends up canon and snaps all NS's development in half, the SS fans still would have half-assed canon because Sasuke would never do it out of love for Sakura. Sasuke is emotionally incapable of that.
 
The only reasons SS would give Sasuke any semblance of in-character behavior even by just a few shreds would be the following:
 
- Sasuke finds Sakura strong and acknowledges her power, thinking she'd be "worthy" on a power level
- Sasuke wants to revive his Clan sees Sakura's strength suitable enough for it (again, back to power)
-  Sasuke's rivalry with Naruto (now this one's more of a stretch)
- Sakura would be easy to control in a relationship and not cause trouble
- A combination of all four
 
Notice how none of these reasons have to do with romance. It's strictly Sasuke being pragmatic, fueled by pride and acknowledgement of power to boast his own ego, and then a rivalry again fueled by his pride. If they wanted to be more truer to Sasuke's character in a SS relationship, that would be it. And Sakura would be completely miserable in this relationship and feel constantly used and worthless. This is the reality of SS relationship. Not how SS fans paint Sasuke as someone who loves Sakura deeply while giving her happiness (or will someday).
 
It's just ... ridiculous. Their view of Sakura and Sasuke's characters are so butchered through their OTP fantasies. It absolutely amazes me how any true Sakura or even Sasuke fan ships SasuSaku so intensely. I know it's their own POV, but it's just so wrong for the characters. I love Sakura and I like Sasuke, but that's why I ship NS for Sakura and I ship Sasuke with no one. Just be true to the characters before arguing canon.
 
 SS arguments give me such a headache ... I just don't get it. -_-

Completely agree. That's why every single SS fanart or fanfiction is OOC on Sasuke's part -- him showing romantic interest and being in a genuine romantic relationship is OOC for him period, as he's never, not once, shown any romantic interest (and it's not like he's never had the opportunity either -- he's had girls chasing after him since he was a little kid, so if he wanted a relationship... but no). So add to that the warm, outgoing guy who shows affection, etc. that's so prevalent in SS fanwork, then you have someone who practically barely resembles the canon Sasuke -- hell, if it wasn't for his appearance you probably wouldn't even be able to tell it was him. Of course, SS is not the only ship guilty of this (but other Sasuke ships' main problems in characterization, imo, tend to be him showing romantic interest at all) but they are the most offending, especially because they make him out to be someone who's friendly, tender, playful, etc., when that guy never existed, even in his Team 7 days (except for perhaps before the massacre took place, but we only really saw him with his family, right? so that cute kid being all affectionate and whatnot acted like that towards his family -- mainly, Itachi).

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:21 AM

Yes I feel the same. One of the things I do not like to see is when other people are badmouthing Sakura. If she were to do something like that it would make NS seem less believable from Sakura's side and many people would call that out. I trust Kishi though, and hopefully it was just a cliffhanger page like all the other times when others say that the pairings have been confirmed and it ends up being nothing in the next chapter.

yes I agree , i don't want people say something mean to her and i don't blame them if that happen, ss doesn't care about her character , they will be happy if they get their moment even if it was like that , as one of them say she don't care about ss situation as much sakura suck sasuke kitten , but i as sakura fan I care about her and i don't  want something like that happen to her.

 

anyway maybe kishi surprise me with her development again :) 


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:22 AM

Yes I feel the same. One of the things I do not like to see is when other people are badmouthing Sakura. If she were to do something like that it would make NS seem less believable from Sakura's side and many people would call that out. I trust Kishi though, and hopefully it was just a cliffhanger page like all the other times when others say that the pairings have been confirmed and it ends up being nothing in the next chapter.

Trust me when I am saying that the only purpose that panel served was to tease the fandoms. That's it and that is why I was irked at the last page. It was NOT the moment itself but the purpose of it. Trolling the fandoms at this stage was what I did not like. But hey that was just me and some people. Even IF Sasuke happens to invoke some feelings for Sakura which is still far unlikely, but even if he did, Sakura would still choose Naruto over Sasuke. Some amount of feelings won't erase what he did to her in the past AND present as well....

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:30 AM

^narusaku256 : me and silver stare w are worry about sakura side not sasuke side.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:11 AM

This is a random question, but I'm curious. Why didn't Sasuke use a reverse summoning to escape the dimension he was stranded in? Whatever Space-Time boundaries separate Kaguya's six worlds from Earth, they don't inhibit the ability for someone to use summoning ninjutsu to conjure up creatures from whatever mystical homeland they're from. Sasuke conjured up his hawk summoning, in mid-air, to protect himself and Naruto from the lava in the other world.

Granted, it could have undermined Sakura and Obito's efforts at rescuing him, but Sasuke wouldn't be aware that a rescue mission was being staged.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:33 AM

This is a random question, but I'm curious. Why didn't Sasuke use a reverse summoning to escape the dimension he was stranded in? Whatever Space-Time boundaries separate Kaguya's six worlds from Earth, they don't inhibit the ability for someone to use summoning ninjutsu to conjure up creatures from whatever mystical homeland they're from. Sasuke conjured up his hawk summoning, in mid-air, to protect himself and Naruto from the lava in the other world.

Granted, it could have undermined Sakura and Obito's efforts at rescuing him, but Sasuke wouldn't be aware that a rescue mission was being staged.

My understanding of the reverse summoning technique is that the user goes to the place where his summon creature is. So I'm not sure it would help Sasuke to get to the ice dimension unless the hawk is present there..? And after Sasuke's fight against Deidara Suigetsu had to summon Manda to free Sasuke. 


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

Well in this chapter, I only care about sakura distribution plus she has to tear up her sleeve , remind me of obito...yeah..."ss" moment.
.why so excited ? Because NS moment incoming..wohoo...imagine naruto sees sakura's condition right now..he will be worry. I swear.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:45 AM

^narusaku256 : me and silver stare w are worry about sakura side not sasuke side.

I think Kishi has full idea of how he is writing and developing characters and so I don't think he'd go this way and besides, the situation is not appropriate for blushing

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:26 AM

It's not interesting, it's irrelevant. Why is it important that Obito witnessed it? It's reading into stuff that isn't there; one of the bigger reasons I soured on the pairings.

I know it's really irrelevant. What's interesting to me is how fans start to invent things that aren't there

God I remember when chapter 615 came out and if you remember there was a small panel with Sakura. Now I kid you not, I've read a comment that said something like "The reason Sakura was in that panel is because of Hinata's speech, and that speech made her reconsider her feelings for Sasuke. It made her understand that trying to kill Sasuke was a bad idea and thanks to Hinata; Sakura's love for Sasuke became stronger". I'm not joking.

 

Obito seeing MK, SS and NH doesn't in any way make one pairing more "canon" than the other. Nor that is actually do anything for the pairings. Unless when get a ridiculous comment from Obito that Sasuke's love for Sakura is like Minato's love for Kushina or some other nonsense.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:38 AM


I dont know what to think about this, maybe Kishimoto will change his mind with the final pairing seeing how the viewers reacted to the SasuSaku moment :(
 

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:47 AM

 
I'm not sure what you mean.  First ever since Part I?  Because there were moments between Sakura and Sasuke in Part I.  They weren't romantic from Sasuke's side, but they were at least kind moments that indicated some kind of positive bond between them.
 
 
In my opinion, Kishimoto has the same purpose in mind for SS as he did NH.  
 
As I said in an earlier post (on the debate thread, I think) Kishimoto has been using Hinata's interest in Naruto and the spectre of Sakura's past feelings for Sasuke as plausible diversions to distract readers while he brings NS together for the end.
 
We're heading toward the conclusion of the story, and Kishimoto has to begin resolving things.  You can see the moves he's made like pieces on a chess board.  Hinata gets her brave moment to support Naruto in battle, then gets to hold his hand.  We see her Infinite Tsukuyomi dream of being with Naruto, but we also see it's something that will never happen. 
 
The only thing that remains for Hinata is either another panel showing her acceptance of NS (similar to the hug scene after the Pain invasion), or Naruto finally says something to her about appreciating her feelings but that he loves someone else.  I'm guessing the former rather than the latter.
 
Now Kishimoto is moving the chess pieces to resolve the plausible diversion of SS.  We have known that Sasuke has to be redeemed on some level before the story is done.  Both Naruto and Sakura need it, albeit for different reasons.
 
A simple panel of Sasuke coming to Sakura's basic human aid -- and doing so without so much as a smile -- is in no way romantic, but shows readers a glimmer of the old Sasuke.  The Sasuke who was a real teammate to Sakura and Naruto.  I honestly don't expect much more to happen along these lines, but we'll have to wait and see for sure.  If we do, it will likely be more of the same; positive but non-romantic interaction.
 
Since we know from Kakashi's thoughts that Sakura no longer feels the same crushy feelings for Sasuke, having Sasuke return to some level of respectful friendship with her will be enough for her to have closure.  And really, more importantly, I suspect Sakura will be happiest when Naruto gets his closure with Sasuke, and Naruto's devotion to his friend is finally justified -- at least in part.
 
In my opinion?  Kishimoto wants to us feel/recognize that once he has systematically removed all doubt about the other possibilities, NS will be all that's left.  There's still one big, public confession that hasn't been made yet....

Well, I meant that it's been ages ago, you know. Seriously, over 440 chapters long.

You do make a good point. To me, NaruHina lost the credibility when the love aspect really never taken for than a glorified Lee, to the point you can only expose more in SD, much like Lee himself, go figure. It won't amount more than friendship if Naruto is a guy who don't move anywhere but up and not change a path. So, pretty much, it's not going to be anything more than friendship.

Now the fact she's in IT, well she fallen to a sequence that pretty much say this is as far as you can go here. In other words, never become canon because otherwise, all others have to be as well, including LeeSaku. There's no "only her will come true" because that don't work that way. If you ask me, I want her and all others to really develop on their own from their dream, because they don't need others to tell them what to learn, unless a speech for all. But all of them shouldn't be like

Hinata: Naruto-Kun, do you love me?
Naruto: No...
Hinata: I learn something today.

To me, it should be an act of their own to come up a resolution from their dream. Unless they want to push forward, but since her dream is amount to them, it won't happen.

Now for SS, look, the next chapter can make it or break it for me to follow along. If it's something nice like platonic or not, then I got to take note on it and see where this is going. If it's something and somehow continue the kitten streak, I'm done, because pretty much Kishi wants us to detest Sasuke. People say he get mercy out of this. To me, I see lessen the problem for Naruto, not for Sasuke. Otherwise, I don't think realistically Naruto can change him. Anyway, if there's nothing, then I still can't take it serious. Keep in mind, I'm only saying in a non-platonic level. I mean I would care for them in a plot development, but if I was supposed to invest my time to hope their love can happen, it must be done well. Now I wonder if this continues from the downhill spiral of Sakura to Sasuke or this is a moment of "job well done" and it has nothing to do with that development. That I'm curious. So until then, I don't know what to think of it.

It didn't have that much of a strong impact to it. Compare to 615, it doesn't feel like a big deal, but both of them aren't anyway. I guess because the mindset needs to focus on one area and one only. That's the problem with both 615 and 685. In 615, it was more about connection that Naruto has and can't let it go to waste. It was just the ending was a development to Hinata to receive the equality which works for her. In this chapter, Obito and Sakura has to bring back Sasuke to Naruto in order to win the win, but mixture of both of them getting hurt or getting weak lined up to the chapter purpose, and well, subtle hint on what is their driving force, all leads to mission complete that Sasuke got out of there, which Sakura and Obito assigned to. Is this all or more to it? If former, don't think more than platonic at all. Hell, don't think it lined up with the downfall development especially since she dropped the clue of her target purpose which Obito pretty much caught on. If latter, then we'll see.

Now, let me take 663. The chapter was "Absolutely" or whatever the meaning that has the same meaning. There was no distraction for Sakura. It's all about Naruto needing to be saved. We left off with her being so scared that he's going to die but calm herself by talking to him when he's not awake. Now I have said that before I can get excited, I need to know the follow-up because who knows that Sakura will get Sasuke along the way. Instead, we got what we wanted, and to some, overachieved. The chapter in her side was mainly focus on how she cannot let him die no matter what. Even her words are strange to say like as long she's there she is not going to let him die so easy. That's some strong devotion there. Then we got the CPR and needless to say, it was something else, the whole mood and the whole flashback that pretty much started it all. There's a reason why we don't get another CPR scene or anything else between them because this is a defining chapter that if you skip it, you're missing a lot.

So now, here we are, wondering what would happen next. Preview suggests that Naruto and Sasuke will get back together and maybe seal her. That said that does mean the latest chapter is just a service to his fans who really don't get this often and pretty much said "This is the closest I'll give you. NS need to be made, so I got NH and SS out of the way." I mean Kishi found the right timing for NH in which seem to be the last one, so could this be one for SS? We shall see.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:56 AM

 

I dont know what to think about this, maybe Kishimoto will change his mind with the final pairing seeing how the viewers reacted to the SasuSaku moment :(

 

I can see that everyone enjoyed the #SasuSaku moment! 
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I agree with everyone on that. It's NOT Kishimoto, just some american fan boy who pretends being Kishimoto. You do know there are many fake account of celebrities on social network like facebook?

And beside, one of the main reason why it's fake is because no mangaka would encourage his fans to read his chapters illegally in scans. Japan is even thinking about way to prevent from thoses illegal scans chapters like we have on MP, MS etc... You know, what we're doing everyweek when we're reading the chapter is illegal, it's making the author loose money, because some people are only reading the scans and don't buy the actual manga volumes. and this is something mangaka are fighting. So, trust me, it's NOT Kishimoto. He would never say to his fans "go read the new chapter on (MP/MS etc...)" He would talk about the Jump but not about the chapter scan itself. 

So no, it's not Kishi, and it's not some close people to him, just some american fan boy. 

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Besides, I think it’s highly possible for Sasuke to ask about Naruto at the beginning of next chapter, since, no one mentioned it here, but in this chapter, Sasuke thought about Naruto’s chakra that he felt. So there might be a reference to it, in next chapter. And so they would talk about how they will go back to him.

 

The question is how. I wonder how they will go back to the Ice Dimension if Sakura and Obito need to recover. Unless Sakura will take off more clothes for Sasuke to swap dimensions like he did there with her vest. LOL


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:06 AM

I agree with everyone on that. It's NOT Kishimoto, just some american fan boy who pretends being Kishimoto. You do know there are many fake account of celebrities on social network like facebook?
And beside, one of the main reason why it's fake is because no mangaka would encourage his fans to read his chapters illegally in scans. Japan is even thinking about way to prevent from thoses illegal scans chapters like we have on MP, MS etc... You know, what we're doing everyweek when we're reading the chapter is illegal, it's making the author loose money, because some people are only reading the scans and don't buy the actual manga volumes. and this is something mangaka are fighting. So, trust me, it's NOT Kishimoto. He would never say to his fans "go read the new chapter on (MP/MS etc...)" He would talk about the Jump but not about the chapter scan itself. 
So no, it's not Kishi, and it's not some close people to him, just some american fan boy. 



Right! And the way Sakura have haters in that page shows it is a biased page


And yep, even if we are reading scans illegally we are helpless cuz in my town atleast...there are no such thing available and we dunno sites to legally download them

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:09 AM

I know it's really irrelevant. What's interesting to me is how fans start to invent things that aren't there
God I remember when chapter 615 came out and if you remember there was a small panel with Sakura. Now I kid you not, I've read a comment that said something like "The reason Sakura was in that panel is because of Hinata's speech, and that speech made her reconsider her feelings for Sasuke. It made her understand that trying to kill Sasuke was a bad idea and thanks to Hinata; Sakura's love for Sasuke became stronger". I'm not joking.
 
Obito seeing MK, SS and NH doesn't in any way make one pairing more "canon" than the other. Nor that is actually do anything for the pairings. Unless when get a ridiculous comment from Obito that Sasuke's love for Sakura is like Minato's love for Kushina or some other nonsense.

You know, if Obito by chance reinforces the Rin parallel, we are going to have the time of our life reading these comments XD. Also I think Sakura has been put up for teamwork with Obito for a reason which we obviously know :D. Not to mention that both of them were extraordinary medics :P

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:10 AM

I agree with everyone on that. It's NOT Kishimoto, just some american fan boy who pretends being Kishimoto. You do know there are many fake account of celebrities on social network like facebook?
And beside, one of the main reason why it's fake is because no mangaka would encourage his fans to read his chapters illegally in scans. Japan is even thinking about way to prevent from thoses illegal scans chapters like we have on MP, MS etc... You know, what we're doing everyweek when we're reading the chapter is illegal, it's making the author loose money, because some people are only reading the scans and don't buy the actual manga volumes. and this is something mangaka are fighting. So, trust me, it's NOT Kishimoto. He would never say to his fans "go read the new chapter on (MP/MS etc...)" He would talk about the Jump but not about the chapter scan itself. 
So no, it's not Kishi, and it's not some close people to him, just some american fan boy. 
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Besides, I think itâs highly possible for Sasuke to ask about Naruto at the beginning of next chapter, since, no one mentioned it here, but in this chapter, Sasuke thought about Narutoâs chakra that he felt. So there might be a reference to it, in next chapter. And so they would talk about how they will go back to him.
 
The question is how. I wonder how they will go back to the Ice Dimension if Sakura and Obito need to recover. Unless Sakura will take off more clothes for Sasuke to swap dimensions like he did there with her vest. LOL

But why will sasuke use swap....cuz himself goung there is better than first placing clothes & then going there

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:11 AM

remember that any "official page" on some social network in english of mangakas is most like fake because jap people haven't so much familiarity with the language. Besides if those mangakas are there, their accounts would have been verified with this verified.png I know that some mangaka have an official twitter account like Tite kubo, Mashima or Inue...

Kishimoto didn't have any account. He, for his own admission, is a noob with internet's world. Besides this chapter have still to be out OFFICIALY in Japan (today as an exception).


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