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#1241 dl316bh

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Dec 29 2012, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the only problem here is that naruto has Kurama, who has healing powers too...

Holy s*** really?



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See now this show would be ten times better if Tony Stark showed up.

Ninja Iron Man.

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You can't ship SasuKarin if you are not also okay with SasuSaku.

See, sorry guys, I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with him; and not because I'm afraid he'll put something in my drink.



SasuKarin was basically SasuSaku with a different female. Same basic relationship, same general indifference from Sasuke and the same outcome. The difference is, Karin basically woke up when Sasuke left her to die and stopped giving a damn what happened to him. Arguably, she's the one with the most sense regarding the dude in this manga.

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Every group has it's mature shippers and those who aren't as mature.

Huh? What is this ma-tur-ity you speak of? I know nothing of it. Does it involve posting random s*** and jokes? Because I'm good at that.

Edited by dl316bh, 30 December 2012 - 12:00 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:59 PM

QUOTE (dl316bh @ Dec 29 2012, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SasuKarin was basically SasuSaku with a different female. Same basic relationship, same general indifference from Sasuke and the same outcome. The difference is, Karin basically woke up when Sasuke left her to die and stopped giving a damn what happened to him. Arguably, she's the one with the most sense regarding the dude in this manga.


I disagree with the last part because she's going after him.
She's hurt because he tried to kill her but there will be a strong scene when she meet with him again.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 11:59 PM.

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#1243 KnS

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 29 2012, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's better for her because she needs development for it, and her development comes from understanding Naruto which is different than hinata because she was about his Ninja Way, Sakura has her own Ninja Way, she's not someome who grow under the shadow of the main character and neither sasuke she developed based on her own experiences.
And plus the fact she didnt love Naruto since the begining who make things more interesting, the term prize is suitable for NH but not for NS because there's no prize, it's about two people who fully understand each another.

The argument of NH died in the moment that Naruto loves Sakura there's no better ending for the main hero to end up with the girl he loves.

I agree completely.




#1244 Poison_In_Your_Coffee

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

KnS, I gave the link to the wiki article and felt that it supported many of my points. Including Rowling saying that Draco wasn't wholly bad and was out of his depth in a lot of ways since deatheatering wasn't what he thought it was. I see the main difference bwt. Draco and Sasuke in this:

If Sasuke had his target at his mercy, would he take the killing shot? Draco did not. Sasuke did it, through a girl who was supposed to be his teammate..

I feel that while it is possible to find similarities between Draco and Sasuke, ultimately they are not much alike except in the general "bad boys" sense. But I have noticed that my take on both characters seems to be very different than yours. For instance I can't really budge from my take that Draco did not kill Dumbles because he could not take a human life. That impression is so strong for me. To me, he didn't lack guts, just the desire to kill. So we would probably be having this conversation for another 60 pages so agree to disagree?

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I get that. Lots of people love the dark and dangerous, morally ambiguous characters. Back to HP for a second, one of my favorite characters was Sirius Black, so yeah, I get it. Likewise, Kakashi is one of my favorites, and he is a clear parallel to Sasuke.

I couldn't stand Sirius back in the day. laugh.gif Nowadays I do view him better and actually like him, but no favourite, still.

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The thing is, I'm really talking about Sasuke's unsuitability for Sakura. He may be an interesting character if you like the brooding, murderous, self-centered, morally challenged types, but I personally don't want that for Sakura. I like her too much. I agree she is imperfect, but in the normal ways that young girls are imperfect. Her imperfections are not on the same planet as Sasuke's.

In my opinion, Naruto is so much better for her in every way, and I think he would spend the rest of his life making her happy. And everything we have been explicitly shown in terms of Naruto's feelings so far suggests that's precisely what he would do if he got the chance. There's been zero evidence that Sasuke has the slightest interest in Sakura's feelings, much less in making her happy. Sakura and Naruto in a healthy, safe, happy relationship would make them both happy, and I won't stop hoping that's exactly what happens.

The thing is: I don't ship for happiness, I ship what I find interesting. We seem to have completely different approach from start to finish. It's no wonder we can't agree on anything. I do think though that redeemed Sasuke can make Sakura happy. I know you couldn't disagree more.

QUOTE (dl316bh @ Dec 29 2012, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SasuKarin was basically SasuSaku with a different female. Same basic relationship, same general indifference from Sasuke and the same outcome. The difference is, Karin basically woke up when Sasuke left her to die and stopped giving a damn what happened to him. Arguably, she's the one with the most sense regarding the dude in this manga.

Amen. Well, I still like to think that Naruto and Sakura will be proven correct in their faith for Sasu-baby.


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Huh? What is this ma-tur-ity you speak of? I know nothing of it. Does it involve posting random s*** and jokes? Because I'm good at that.

It involves quitting the drink and paying some bills, I do believe.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 30 December 2012 - 12:06 AM.

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#1245 dl316bh

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 29 2012, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree with the last part because she's going after him.

That must have happened while I was away.

I retract my previous statement! She has no sense too! God, everybody in this manga practically fellates Sasuke, even after he tries to kill them.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:08 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing is: I don't ship for happiness, I ship what I find interesting. We seem to have completely different approach from start to finish. It's no wonder we can't agree on anything. I do think though that redeemed Sasuke can make Sakura happy. I know you couldn't disagree more.

No doubt she can but it's the right thing to do?
Would you or anyone else in this world that wants to be married to a man/woman who does not love you.
It's a fake happiness.
Naruto refused Sakura's confession based on this argument( he knew that he could make her happy but still does not worth when she still has feelings for someome else), because he knew that she was up to something when she asked him to stop chasing sasuke.

Redeemed Sasuke will be a honest one there's no reason for him to accept Sakura since he does not love her, he does not have any hidden feelings for her and anyone.

Actually you have any statements or arguments to back up SS, i dont see the point of debating SS.
The only argument is Sakura still loves Sasuke but Ino still loves Sasuke too along with Karin, and still Sakura has hidden feelings for Naruto.
She's the only one in 615 chapters that show her feelings could be changed.

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#1247 Poison_In_Your_Coffee

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:08 AM

QUOTE (dl316bh @ Dec 30 2012, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That must have happened while I was away.

I retract my previous statement! She has no sense too! God, everybody in this manga practically fellates Sasuke, even after he tries to kill them.

She could have just been pretending to get out of her cell, though, and if she goes to him, does she go with a gun ready to fire some bullets?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She could have just been pretending to get out of her cell, though, and if she goes to him, does she go with a gun ready to fire some bullets?


Even pretending it sums up how Karin is.

Her softly side towards the man she loves and Her tsundere side, agressive she's not the same as Sakura.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:19 AM


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So we would probably be having this conversation for another 60 pages so agree to disagree?


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't stand Sirius back in the day.


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing is: I don't ship for happiness, I ship what I find interesting. We seem to have completely different approach from start to finish. It's no wonder we can't agree on anything. I do think though that redeemed Sasuke can make Sakura happy. I know you couldn't disagree more.

Yes, all three of these statements convince me that agreeing to disagree is best. I honestly have no desire to change your mind or anyone else's. But it was nice to cover the ground in a civil way, and I appreciate that.


QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 29 2012, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would you or anyone else in this world that wants to be married to a man/woman who does not love you.
It's a fake happiness.
Naruto refused Sakura's confession based on this argument( he knew that he could make her happy but still does not worth when she still has feelings for someome else), because he knew that she was up to something when she asked him to stop chasing sasuke.

I agree, especially with the bolded. As I have said elsewhere on this board, it was important for Naruto to refuse until the circumstances were right. It put him and Sakura on a more level playing field.




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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 30 2012, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even pretending it sums up how Karin is.

Her softly side towards the man she loves and Her tsundere side, agressive she's not the same as Sakura.

And that kind of behaviour is supposed to be healthy, going from aggressive to sweet in seconds and back again? I mean, I don't mind unhealthy relationship myself, but I know you did mind.

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Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 30 December 2012 - 12:26 AM.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that kind of behaviour is supposed to be healthy, going from aggressive to sweet in seconds and back again? I mean, I don't mind unhealthy relationship myself, but I know you did mind.

Edited the pic out.

Tsundere?

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:35 AM

found this on tumblr

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 30 2012, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tsundere?

Yes. That healthy?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. That healthy?




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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:50 AM

QUOTE (Turson @ Dec 29 2012, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol he even thought to himself that "hes not going to let go of her hand". It cant be more obvious - he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra.


I thought we have been over this already, that WAS NOT naruto who said that, is was a damn editors note sheesh and the dman editors notes dont mean s*** because they often barely mean anything in the next chapters.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. That healthy?


To add to the Shikimaru's dad's quote above, if you think about it he was basically stating that he was in a relationship like that, yet he was perfectly happy and so was his wife it seemed. The thing is, the aggressiveness is more shown (at least for Sakura) when Naruto does something really stupid (the anime exaggerates it a bit in fillers though...really irks me). However, she's been more dere dere to him (gentle) since the beginning of part 2.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:29 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 30 2012, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You assumed based on Kishi's interviews and comments that Sakura would play a large role in this arc. So far: not true. I'm speculating as well, of course, when I say that Sakura might yet have a role, if not in this arc, then in the Sasuke fight. That's all.


No, I wasn't making an assumption, I was simply explaining that many Sakura fans -- including the narusaku fans -- were expecting Sakura to have a larger role this year. That was in response to your statement as to why you didn't understand the negative reaction to Hinata having, yet again, another big role.

Personally I didn't believe Sakura would have a large role in this arc, especially considering Kishimoto said he forgot about her (the source was a blog from a fan).


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 30 2012, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I said that Sakura has never wished that she would be by his side alone, just her and Naruto. She has talked about supporting Naruto and being there for him along with everyone else. This is the key difference. Can you see how each girl's thoughts in ch 573 have sort of come reality? Hinata is beside Naruto, holding his hand, like she said she would be. Sakura said that she would be there with Naruto supporting him with everyone else in the allience, and now she is doing just that. They have different desires, the way I see it, that do not conflict with each other.


I agree with that, but her reaction to Hinata in chapter 442, this chapter and the databook has me wondering if Sakura is entirely content with watching Naruto with another girl.


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 30 2012, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The argument is that Sakura hasn't indicated that she has romantic desires towards Naruto. There are a few moments that could be taken as hints for NS but no clear evidence.


I was responding to "If Hinata ends up marrying Naruto, Sakura will not be crying bitter tears and think that Hinata stole her place as Naruto's wife. Disagree?" Your argument seems to be that Sakura has no feelings towards Naruto because she shows no jealousy.



QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 30 2012, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't blame you. This is a one long thread. Anyway, here it is.

Sakura looking upset when seeing Hinata romantically with Naruto in the Pain arc and now in ch 615 I wrote earlier:

In both cases the surrounding situations aren't exactly ideal. They are under attack, someone is badly injured, someone is dead. Sakura has no reason to look happy. It could be that she's just feeling down due all the devastation and it has nothing to do with jealousy for NH. It is of course possible that Sakura is not happy because she wants to be with Naruto herself.


Which is why I personally think there is room for reasonable doubt. However, you have since shown you believe the former in your latest comment: "Sakura just doesn't seem to want to hold his hand and waltz down the aisle with him."

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As you can see from the quote above, I have considered this from the start. I have not declared that NH is now canon and that NS is dead.

Edit. I'll add my comment on why I don't see definite evidence for NS:


This post of yours sums up my feelings about NS moments of the manga. "Room for multiple interpretions". Kishi does that a lot, doesn't he? Sakura looks sad/worried/unsure when she sees NH, but she is at the same time in a middle of a horrible situation. So why does she look like that, because of NH or not? We can't tell. Yamato says smt that sounds like romantic NS hint but can't finish his sentence. So we don't know what he was going to say nor do we see how Sakura would have reacted. Sakura hugs Naruto, but is it romantic or platonic? Not made clear, depends on our interpretion. All these moments can be interpreted as either hints for NS or misleading red herrings (reduntant?). This is the reason why I have doubted NS canon: Kishi has left himself "an out", so to speak, an easy way out.


This statement of yours seems paradoxal to your later statement. Here you think everything is ambiguous, but later you say it is clear that Sakura would not be jealous and has made up her mind about being Naruto's "friend." So, which one is it?

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (MoonStar @ Dec 29 2012, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you guys misunderstanding me or something? Kishi did a direct comparison with Kushina and Hinata here. I don't agree with it but that's what he did. I always saw Kushina and Sakura as similar.


The comparison was NOT with hinata and kushina, it was a comparison of NEJI and MINATO AND KUSHINA sacrifcing there lives for naruto.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:42 AM

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Are you guys misunderstanding me or something? Kishi did a direct comparison with Kushina and Hinata here.


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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:44 AM

It's gonna be loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong until the next chapter.
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