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[咲耶姫]

So this is the real Junko interview that just came out... Does it tell her opinion on the ending and the movie?

 

Sorry but all that is unreadable. We have to wait for better quality.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Sigh. No, Kishimoto didn't say....

I am stopping your post right here because I could argue your entire logic is based on depression and trying to find acceptance with grief. Not logic. I'll put this simply, you can make all these arguments about people with "shipping goggles," but then what about the people who has no shipping preferences and still called bullsh** on this ending? People who were neutral who expected one thing based on the story build up and were surprised that the story went against the very principles it set up. You can't just blame that on shipping goggles and you know this.

It IS most definitely a possibility that Kishi was just a bad writer that took orders from his underlings rather than his own creativity and that we didn't interpret it wrong, but rather he wrote it wrong. This can also be supported on how many other asspulls that have occurred in the manga ranging from minor rules to major plot changes that had nothing to do with the ending. Hell, the whole Kaguya fight is said to be one huge asspull that goes against A LOT of plot elements that were already established.

You're so busy trying to blame yourself when really it very well could be Kishi's for not making anything truly clear and leaving everything too ambiguous to tell. As for Sakura changing her feelings...how many times has he said it in interviews and the databook entrees, but I guess this is delusions too huh? Pitiful excuse to try and justify bad writing at its core.

It's not just with pairings, but rather the very core of the characters themselves have changed to suit this "ending" and for some reason you can't accept that. There are many other horrible inconsistencies like how did Madara use his Susanoo without any eyes and both Itachi AND Sasuke confirmed that you need both eyes to work? Black Zetsu and White Zetsu's origins changed greatly and nothing was explained how Madara's mind thought differently. How come chapter 3 was NEVER brought back up, but every other flashbacks were?

It sends even more red flags when this canon Naruto movie is ADDING FACTS AND MEMORIES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED OR BROUGHT UP IN THE MANGA ONCE AND NEVER WILL MAKE A MENTION AT ALL. You mean to tell me that Kishimoto couldn't do it? Bull. Pure bull and you know it. You want to give up and blame yourself thinking you were stupid...be my guests, but don't drag everyone else down. You have an opinion and you're free to have it, but so does everyone else and my opinion is you're wrong and Kishimoto messed up. No matter what the intention was.

Like some have said, if he was so bad at romance, then he never should have written one in there.

 

 

I know this is going to hurt, but in this interview: http://www.saiyanisl...ounding-editor/

 

Kishi said he was never planning on making a love triangle. He only made it because his editor told him it'd be a good idea. Considering the fact that Sakura ends up with Sasuke, (And the character Sasuke gets his name from has a love interest named Sakura...) I...don't think Naruto was ever going to be in 'love'/crush with Sakura until he was told to make a love triangle. :/ I'm pretty sure that's why they're calling it weak feelings. Now that the manga is over, there's no need for the love triangle anymore. (Well, kind of hard when Sakura marries Sasuke and Naruto marries Hinata lol..)

Kishi has said A LOT of things lately to the point that we don't know were true or not. Hell, Sasuke's character didn't initially exist in the beginnings of Naruto so what does that tell you? To me, that means no love triangle would exist, but no where does that suggest that Sakura's character would have automatically went to Sasuke's character. You also have the fact that Hinata didn't have a major role initially and was pushed forward anyway.

Kishimoto also said he was going to name Naruto's son Shinachiku and we got "Bolt" instead. Go through all the interviews and you will find that MANY things Kishi has said over the years is all of sudden seem like a lie to what they say now. So how can you trust anything he says?

If you really believe any of this crap, you're lying to yourself and maybe you're not seeing things clearly. I don't care what any recent interviews say because it all contradicts 15 years of work. No excuses. There is no way you can convince me that this ending was 8 years in the making. That makes it even worse and telling me that if it takes you 8 years to make that sh*tty ending, then maybe Kishimoto shouldn't write anymore.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 November 2014 - 08:13 AM.

[milan kyuubi]

So 15 years flushed down the toilet! And for what?

 

Sigh...

 

And I know I didn't read the story wrong! It's Kishi who asspuled this BS in the last minute!

[dejavu]

i see...but theres another spoiler where naruto tries to hold hinata's hand while shes hessitant

I saw that already. What about it?
if the spoiler plot were true then Hinata might have lost her memories or something that makes her look hesitant to hold nardos hand.

Sorry i did t get why you quoted my post lol

[Lady_duckish]

James is right.

 

Kishi can say whatever he wants about his intentions. He can even call Naruto's feelings for Sakura weak, but that doesn't change the fact that we got a chapter where Naruto talks with Sai about his inability to confess to Sakura because he felt unworthy. That does not suggest weak feelings, no that implies the exact opposite. Naruto's romantic feelings predate the start of the manga and for whatever reason Kishi never gave us a conclusion on that particular dynamic. Even if he fully intended to have NH SS as the end pairings, he could have spent a page of the finale allowing Naruto to finally confess his feelings and then be turned down. Kishi is sloppy.

 

If any pairing deserves a movie, its NS. Thats the paring that has been growing since chapter three but was left hanging in the wind for absolutely no reason. 

 

EDIT: So very classy of Kishi to say his fans were reading the manga wrong, when he goes and says stuff like Sakura's confession to Naruto was honest.I understand he might be getting flammed, but it would be mature of him to remember there are fans of NS who are not  being over the top about the ending. Dont be a JKR or and Bryke. 

Edited by Lady_duckish, 20 November 2014 - 07:57 AM.

[MangaReader]

Long story short... if your main characters love is suppose to only be for comedic purposes, don't make his love interest share actual moments of real kindness and loving care and most importantly, DO NOT MAKE REFERENCES/PARALLELS/USE FORESHADOWING to make it seem like his love is the real deal. 

 

I don't believe this to be the case, but for the ones who grown into "acceptance", the this was a horrible misinterpretation and writing schematic by Kishimoto 

Edited by MangaReader, 20 November 2014 - 08:12 AM.

[dejavu]

 
I know this is going to hurt, but in this interview: http://www.saiyanisl...ounding-editor/
 
Kishi said he was never planning on making a love triangle. He only made it because his editor told him it'd be a good idea. Considering the fact that Sakura ends up with Sasuke, (And the character Sasuke gets his name from has a love interest named Sakura...) I...don't think Naruto was ever going to be in 'love'/crush with Sakura until he was told to make a love triangle. :/ I'm pretty sure that's why they're calling it weak feelings. Now that the manga is over, there's no need for the love triangle anymore. (Well, kind of hard when Sakura marries Sasuke and Naruto marries Hinata lol..)

Whether it was only his editor's suggestion to make a love triangle, the fact that he followed that idea and put it in the story and escalate into something pivotal to the MC's character.. should make him follow up that route.

If he didnt actually want Naruto having feelings for Sakura then he shouldnt had them have development that would overpower the main pair he intends to do.

Yes he did not plan this, and it was only a suggestion but he decided to put it in right? You cant take that back anymore.

Sorry but the NS platonic kitten is such a disrespect for Naruto's character. This MC whose selling point is his stubborness to never give up and never going back on his words would suddenly have a "shallow" feelings... weak feelings my ass! Comparing promise of a lifetime as heavy as a curse.. that good guy pose and that painful smile. They will call this weak feelings? Yeah sure..

If Narutos feelings for sakura is weak.. what more of Hinata? Who only became of an interest because of her situation and never just about her?

Sai and Naruto's talk of not being able to confess to Sakura is like a huge freakin elephant.

Are they telling us that this hero who values bonds so greatly would think of confessing even if its just weak feelings?
The fact that he cannot do it is another thing. But from that statement alone "how can i..i cannot even keep my promise to her" shows that he did want and intends to confess to sakura.

Or are they telling us Nardo can or would think of confessing to someone even if the feelings are weak?

If we are going to make use of this pathetic excuse that kishi didnt intend to put a love triangle but was just suggested.. then why make Naruto look ao pained when he saw sakura hug sasuke? Or when he made that promise? And say he knows how painful it is for sakura bec he feels it too.. actually that line points how strong his feelings became.

It is on the level if not greater than Sakura's love for Sasuke. Because it was selfless. What he wanted is for her to be happy.. even if it is painful to him.

Unless they would also call sakura's love to sasuke as weak too. Talk about irony.


how can they damage Naruto's character like this? I just..

Naruto's love for Sakura exceeds all the kinds of love most characters have. It isnt demanding, just pure love for that person.

If kishi really intends for nh to happen then he shouldnt have made Narutos feelings like this. If naruto was possesive and took advantage of sasuke's absence to woo sakura or confess to her even with a failed promise then i would call it weak love as well.

But lets not fool anyone here.
In the end we just met something unfortunate.

But NaruSaku ain't nothing.

It was there.

It really did exist..no matter how this thing ends.

Edited by dejavu, 20 November 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[Lady_duckish]

Long story short... if your main characters love is suppose to only be for comedic purposes, don't make his love interest share actual moments of real kindness and loving care and most importantly, DO NOT MAKE REFERENCES/PARALLELS/USE FORESHADOWING to make it seem like his love is the real deal. 

 

I don't believe this to be the case, but for the ones who grown into "acceptance", the this was a horrible misinterpretation and writing schematic by Kishimoto 

That's what I mean! He practically held our hands leading ud to believe NS was going to happen, and now he's basically calling us delusional???

[Lilac]

I am stopping your post right here because I could argue your entire logic is based on depression and trying to find acceptance with grief. Not logic. I'll put this simply, you can make all these arguments about people with "shipping goggles," but then what about the people who has no shipping preferences and still called bullsh** on this ending? People who were neutral who expected one thing based on the story build up and were surprised that the story went against the very principles it set up. You can't just blame that on shipping goggles and you know this.

It IS most definitely a possibility that Kishi was just a bad writer that took orders from his underlings rather than his own creativity and that we didn't interpret it wrong, but rather he wrote it wrong. This can also be supported on how many other asspulls that have occurred in the manga ranging from minor rules to major plot changes that had nothing to do with the ending. Hell, the whole Kaguya fight is said to be one huge asspull that goes against A LOT of plot elements that were already established.

You're so busy trying to blame yourself when really it very well could be Kishi's for not making anything truly clear and leaving everything too ambiguous to tell. As for Sakura changing her feelings...how many times has he said it in interviews and the databook entrees, but I guess this is delusions too huh? Pitiful excuse to try and justify bad writing at its core.

It's not just with pairings, but rather the very core of the characters themselves have changed to suit this "ending" and for some reason you can't accept that. There are many other horrible inconsistencies like how did Madara use his Susanoo without any eyes and both Itachi AND Sasuke confirmed that you need both eyes to work? Black Zetsu and White Zetsu's origins changed greatly and nothing was explained how Madara's mind thought differently. How come chapter 3 was NEVER brought back up, but every other flashbacks were?

It sends even more red flags when this canon Naruto movie is ADDING FACTS AND MEMORIES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED OR BROUGHT UP IN THE MANGA ONCE AND NEVER WILL MAKE A MENTION AT ALL. You mean to tell me that Kishimoto couldn't do it? Bull. Pure bull and you know it. You want to give up and blame yourself thinking you were stupid...be my guests, but don't drag everyone else down. You have an opinion and you're free to have it, but so does everyone else and my opinion is you're wrong and Kishimoto messed up. No matter what the intention was.

Like some have said, if he was so bad at romance, then he never should have written one in there.

 

Kishi has said A LOT of things lately to the point that we don't know were true or not. Hell, Sasuke's character didn't initially exist in the beginnings of Naruto so what does that tell you? To me, that means no love triangle would exist, but no where does that suggest that Sakura's character would have automatically went to Sasuke's character. You also have the fact that Hinata didn't have a major role initially and was pushed forward anyway.

Kishimoto also said he was going to name Naruto's son Shinachiku and we got "Bolt" instead. Go through all the interviews and you will find that MANY things Kishi has said over the years is all of sudden seem like a lie to what they say now. So how can you trust anything he says?

If you really believe any of this crap, you're lying to yourself and maybe you're not seeing things clearly. I don't care what any recent interviews say because it all contradicts 15 years of work. No excuses. There is no way you can convince me that this ending was 8 years in the making. That makes it even worse and telling me that if it takes you 8 years to make that sh*tty ending, then maybe Kishimoto shouldn't write anymore.
 

 

No, I've accepted Kishimoto wasn't a great writer whose writing background was simply script writing and oil painting. You're the one clinging to notion that a good writer doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. You thought Naruto was a filet mignon, when it was a regular old fast food hamburger. Hamburgers have their charm, they're fast, easy to enjoy, aren't top quality, but are there when you need something mindless and quick. The answer is right there in front of you, you were seeing Kishimoto as some sort of Shakespeare, when he never was. I simply can't take Naruto's love as anything more as a crush, because he never did anything about it. He chose Sasuke over Sakura multiple times. She could have ended up dead, and all he does is tut-tut him and call him his best friend/brother ever. Naruto's crush on Sakura was never a main focus, it was used mostly for comic relief, and sometimes for dramatic effect.

 

Sakura...Sakura was always a normal girl in love. She didn't stray from Sasuke. Naruto caught her, and what does she do? Wonder if Sasuke really doesn't care. Who did she think of when the lover nin told her any guy she loved must be a great guy? Sasuke. After Kaguya, who is it that Sakura runs to? Sasuke. Who is the one she forgets isn't around? Naruto. To be honest, Sakura's bond with Naruto was created to find/save Sasuke. And in the canon, once Sasuke comes back, she decides she'd rather go on a faraway journey with Sasuke than stay around with Naruto. You couldn't be more blatantly obvious than this. There was no romantic love in her heart for him.

 

As for Shinachiku, that was a joke. This has already been explained. He was asked what he'd name Naruto's son, and he said maybe Menma, but he used Menma in RTN, so he'd have to find something else. Shina was just another word for Naruto/Menma. It wasn't a serious answer.

 

Anyway, the fact remains canon is set in stone now. It IS better to love and enjoy NS in fanon, than to cling to the false hope of conspiracy theories that are just going to make you feel even worse when they're proven incorrect.

Edited by Lilac, 20 November 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[Lady_duckish]

 

No, I've accepted Kishimoto wasn't a great writer whose writing background was simply script writing and oil painting. You're the one clinging to notion that a good writer doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. You thought Naruto was a filet mignon, when it was a regular old fast food hamburger. Hamburgers have their charm, they're fast, easy to enjoy, aren't top quality, but are there when you need something mindless and quick. The answer is right there in front of you, you were seeing Kishimoto as some sort of Shakespeare, when he never was. I simply can't take Naruto's love as anything more as a crush, because he never did anything about it. He chose Sasuke over Sakura multiple times. She could have ended up dead, and all he does is tut-tut him and call him his best friend/brother ever. Naruto's crush on Sakura was never a main focus, it was used mostly for comic relief, and sometimes for dramatic effect.

 

Sakura...Sakura was always a normal girl in love. She didn't stray from Sasuke. Naruto caught her, and what does she do? Wonder if Sasuke really doesn't care. Who did she think of when the lover nin told her any guy she loved must be a great guy? Sasuke. After Kaguya, who is it that Sakura runs to? Sasuke. Who is the one she forgets isn't around? Naruto. To be honest, Sakura's bond with Naruto was created to find/save Sasuke. And in the canon, once Sasuke comes back, she decides she'd rather go on a faraway journey with Sasuke than stay around with Naruto. You couldn't be more blatantly obvious than this. There was no romantic love in her heart for him.

 

As for Shinachiku, that was a joke. This has already been explained. He was asked what he'd name Naruto's son, and he said maybe Menma, but he used Menma in RTN, so he'd have to find something else. Shina was just another word for Naruto/Menma. It wasn't a serious answer.

 

Anyway, the fact remains canon is set in stone now. It IS better to love and enjoy NS in fanon, than to cling to the false hope of conspiracy theories that are just going to make you feel even worse when they're proven incorrect.

I'm not sure what you are trying to do, but im missing context and I wont go back to get a better understanding. Don't get me wrong I still think Kishi mislead us which you can say was a byproduct of him being a bad writer...I don't agree that thats what happened but not the point lol

 

You sound like you just want everyone to accept what has happened and move on, that they will be happier and more prepared when  the movie premiers, but you're are not making it better. You are not making anyone feel better. If they want to cling to hope, than let them hope. When the movie premiers and its all said and done, they will move forward from there.  Please don't think you are doing anyone any favor by insisting they just need to accept it and move on. I say this as someone who used to feel that way, but this particular incident has taught me different. If I truly care about anyone's well being, then I will accept that their process is not automatically my own. 

 

Besides, when that movie premiers and its splashed all over every relevant fansite and community, its going to hurt regardless. So why not let those who still have some amount of hope be happy with it?

[Nar123]

 
Sigh. No, Kishimoto didn't say Sakura's love was changing. I know that's how we took it, but Viz's translation was more correct. It wasn't a crush anymore, it was 'selfless love'. That's why Kakashi says she wasn't confessing to make him hers, she wanted to save him. Also, again, Sasuke specifically said he was making people hate him to push them away. Him saying he didn't care about Sakura was an act. The second he turns good, what does he do? Apologizes to her. What happens the second Sasuke turns good and comes back? Sakura jumps on him and asks to go with him, even though that would mean leaving Naruto behind. She never loved Naruto. And Sasuke was always going to turn around and end up with Sakura. It's a manga about people being redeemed with words, and he was a main character. He wasn't going to up and die/disappear. Karin was also so unimportant to his story that she also vanishes along with Taka.
 
I'm sorry, but yes, a lot of the people in our fandom read way too much into Naruto. It was never complex, it was never a story about romance with ninjas on the side, it was never intricately plotted as such either. This is in his own words, he didn't put much romance in at all. He couldn't have been more blunt about this. And the proof is right there-SS/NH are canon. Kishimoto chose the most canon movie to be about Naruto falling in love with Hinata. Narusaku was a happy accident, but it's never going to end up canon;. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. From the moment they started working on that movie, NS was dead canon wise.
 
...You do realize Romeo and Juliet was a play mocking young love, right? And to compare a mangaka to Shakespeare...Did you guys think Naruto was high literature? They're ninjas who throw fire balls  and magic lightning at each other. I get being disappointed, but I'm starting to think you thought Naruto was something it never was...I mean jeeze, that "romantic" scene on the bench ends with Naruto having the runs....You can't fathom why a 'good writer' would go against the 'literary rules' and not write Narusaku. There is your answer. Under your terms, Kishimoto isn't a good writer. He recently said he was like Naruto, because no one thought he'd ever be a mangaka. He didn't start writing Naruto until he took a college course in script writing. That's his background.
 
 
http://www.saiyanisl...otos-childhood/

Kishimoto himself saying: "Sakura still loves sasuke, but Naruto is close "
Databook 3 saying:" her heart beats faster around him"
"complicated feelings " and whatsoever

Its obvious her feelings for Naruto went beyond friendship, she was at least confused.
Though i guess kishimoto kittened up with Sakura's confession, he says he was showing a "honest girl" but she ended up looking like a liar, Sakura's popularity as heroine heavilly decreased and i guess his editors made Kishimoto's head about NH.but like i said, due to Sakura's confused feelings exemplified mainly at the beginning of shippuden, NS would be a easy and understanble route.

The thing about the bench scene is because it kinda was the same thing with kushina and minato, bringing it back could be a way to have a NS resolution (even if he followed the friendship route)

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[ns.Believe.It]

 

No, I've accepted Kishimoto wasn't a great writer whose writing background was simply script writing and oil painting. You're the one clinging to notion that a good writer doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. You thought Naruto was a filet mignon, when it was a regular old fast food hamburger. Hamburgers have their charm, they're fast, easy to enjoy, aren't top quality, but are there when you need something mindless and quick. The answer is right there in front of you, you were seeing Kishimoto as some sort of Shakespeare, when he never was. 

Shakespeare..? Lol. Its not even about his writing skills, its about doing what's right. No, we simply believed Kishi was a good enough human being who would not advertise stalking and abusive relationships in a manga for children. We thought he was good enough of a writer to not portray women as door-mats. Sadly, Kishimoto proved us wrong.

 

 

He chose Sasuke over Sakura multiple times. 

Wait, what..? When did this happen? 

 

 

 She could have ended up dead, and all he does is tut-tut him and call him his best friend/brother ever.

 I guess you missed the panels where Naruto saved her from ending up dead.

 

Everytime Sasuke tried to kill her/ let her to die, Naruto saved her. Yes, he did not get angry and shout at Sasuke for all the stupid things that he did. But how that serves as a proof to you that Naruto 'put Sasuke before Sakura' is something I fail to understand.

 

 

Naruto's crush on Sakura was never a main focus, it was used mostly for comic relief, and sometimes for dramatic effect.

Forgive me but statements such as this makes me doubt whether you really are an NS fan. Cause this is one of the standard argument of the NH/SS fandom. Anyway,

panels

 

So much 'comic relief' in these panels right..?

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 20 November 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[Don-kun]

 
I know this is going to hurt, but in this interview: http://www.saiyanisl...ounding-editor/
 
Kishi said he was never planning on making a love triangle. He only made it because his editor told him it'd be a good idea. Considering the fact that Sakura ends up with Sasuke, (And the character Sasuke gets his name from has a love interest named Sakura...) I...don't think Naruto was ever going to be in 'love'/crush with Sakura until he was told to make a love triangle. :/ I'm pretty sure that's why they're calling it weak feelings. Now that the manga is over, there's no need for the love triangle anymore. (Well, kind of hard when Sakura marries Sasuke and Naruto marries Hinata lol..)

They are trying hard to justify there BS.
I don't buy it he gave us NS and the change his mind for money/popularity.

[Nar123]

 
No, I've accepted Kishimoto wasn't a great writer whose writing background was simply script writing and oil painting. You're the one clinging to notion that a good writer doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. You thought Naruto was a filet mignon, when it was a regular old fast food hamburger. Hamburgers have their charm, they're fast, easy to enjoy, aren't top quality, but are there when you need something mindless and quick. The answer is right there in front of you, you were seeing Kishimoto as some sort of Shakespeare, when he never was. I simply can't take Naruto's love as anything more as a crush, because he never did anything about it. He chose Sasuke over Sakura multiple times. She could have ended up dead, and all he does is tut-tut him and call him his best friend/brother ever. Naruto's crush on Sakura was never a main focus, it was used mostly for comic relief, and sometimes for dramatic effect.
 
Sakura...Sakura was always a normal girl in love. She didn't stray from Sasuke. Naruto caught her, and what does she do? Wonder if Sasuke really doesn't care. Who did she think of when the lover nin told her any guy she loved must be a great guy? Sasuke. After Kaguya, who is it that Sakura runs to? Sasuke. Who is the one she forgets isn't around? Naruto. To be honest, Sakura's bond with Naruto was created to find/save Sasuke. And in the canon, once Sasuke comes back, she decides she'd rather go on a faraway journey with Sasuke than stay around with Naruto. You couldn't be more blatantly obvious than this. There was no romantic love in her heart for him.
 
As for Shinachiku, that was a joke. This has already been explained. He was asked what he'd name Naruto's son, and he said maybe Menma, but he used Menma in RTN, so he'd have to find something else. Shina was just another word for Naruto/Menma. It wasn't a serious answer.
 
Anyway, the fact remains canon is set in stone now. It IS better to love and enjoy NS in fanon, than to cling to the false hope of conspiracy theories that are just going to make you feel even worse when they're proven incorrect.

Its canon but it doesn't mean it makes sense my friend. The ending was rushed as hell, not only on the pairings side but about everything else too.

Editors play a huge role in shonen manga, examples are DBZ with the Buu saga (Toriyama wanted to put gohan as the final hero but the editors pressed for goku again) yuyu hakusho ( ended prematurely due to editors meddiling, years later the author would talk about how editors changed what he wanted to put in the story and he had to abide by their rules)

I guess the same thing happened to kishi.

Edited by Nar123, 20 November 2014 - 09:56 AM.

[rocci]

They are trying hard to justify there BS.
I don't buy it he gave us NS and the change his mind for money/popularity.

I agree, anyway still work?

[六道仙人]

I am still laughing about Naruto had just a crush for Sakura. How to retcon everything in just 110 minutes.

[Elicit]

Gohan would have been awesome as the final hero...

I am still laughing about Naruto had just a crush for Sakura. How to retcon everything in just 110 minutes.

It's not really a confirmed retcon.

Edited by Elicit, 20 November 2014 - 09:55 AM.

[六道仙人]

Gohan would have been awesome as the final hero...

It's not really a confirmed retcon.

 

please we all know this in advance

[AnimeGirl_123]

Sorry but all that is unreadable. We have to wait for better quality.

Ah ok. Thanks for the response.

By the way guys, people think we are/were delusional but if that's the case then how did we spark a fan website with 8,000+ members? Kishi's assistant or whoever may think we read the manga wrong but Narusaku was clearly there since we do have quite a large fan base. Many people thought the same way.

[Nar123]

Gohan would have been awesome as the final hero...

It's not really a confirmed retcon.

Yeah, it would be really cool.
My point is the author is never alone when writing a manga of huge success.
So when people say kishimoto planned NH/ss from the beginning i say bullcrap. Kishi kept every pairing at a possibility, with NS getting most teases along the years. In the end he!,swayed by his editors, just chose the more profitable route.