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#12501 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 02:09 AM

Kishi's assistant's tweet proved to me that Kishi and his inner circle all think NS fans are dumb and were reading the manga wrong. So to answer your question, go ask an SS fan, because they were the ones reading it right this entire time.

 

I also would have answered in the minds of Kishimoto-sensei's assistant and his inner circle this more crash approach for Candleguy's query, yellow; "Because kitten you, that's how".



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Posted 20 November 2014 - 02:23 AM

Kishi's assistant's tweet proved to me that Kishi and his inner circle all think NS fans are dumb and were reading the manga wrong. So to answer your question, go ask an SS fan, because they were the ones reading it right this entire time.

You could take that approach or you could see it as people who won't admit to doing a bad job.

 

I take the  latter



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Posted 20 November 2014 - 02:30 AM

I've never been really a fanfic person, but I would like to try it. Does any one have any suggest on some good ones. Preferably where they already have a family together.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 03:23 AM

Its funny how all we see is Hinata's feelings, Hinata's love, and Hinata's scarf. What the kitten about her sister. Does she even care about her or is she just busy trying to get Naruto to love her.

I think it's because Hanabi's kidnapping part won't last long in the movie. It will be just the beginning of the movie, the true plot of the movie will start when they will save Hanabi and Hinata will be kidnapped, thus leading Naruto to discover his feelings for Hinata. 


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 03:34 AM

To be fair, Sakura always loved Sasuke, so the movie won't be OOC for her. Hinata always loved Naruto, so she'll also be in character. Sasuke, I assume, will be like pre-Shippu Sasuke, personality wise lol

 

Also, on the 'this is just one huge masterfully planned out prank to make NS canon"...again, the guy said he couldn't write romance because it embarrassed him. He's not the kind of writer to go through this intricate and convoluted plan just for romance. Something he admittedly left out of his story.

 

Let's take MLP and its fandom for an example. MLP is a cute show for little girls and is straight forward with its messages. The fandom thinks it's really deep and complex, and continue to get upset when the show does things for its real audience, little girls. They read way too deeply into a show that is, well, shallow with its story telling. It's the same with Naruto. Naruto was a regular Shonen manga for children about a magical ninja who talked to his enemies instead of just defeating/killing them. The romance was an afterthought/subplot that Kishi wasn't really comfortable doing. It's not any deeper than this.

 

The movie is Naruhina centric because Naruto is the main character, and who he falls in love with is going to be the main focus. If Kishimoto says Naruto loves Hinata, not Sakura, then he loves Hinata. It's his story, he's the writer. Naruto isn't a real person, and thinks/feels/does whatever the writer decides. We may want/wish otherwise, but that's the canon. You can move on, you can love and enjoy your ship in fanon, or you can only disappoint yourself clinging onto false hope. The choice is yours to make.

Problem is that he come out and say is not comfortable with romance after he screw up the romance plot, which is quite convenient if you ask me. You not comfortable with romance, don't tease any pairing at all in your story. Look at one piece, does luffy as a love interest. No. If he hang up with Nami or robin at the end, would I care. No. Even if he hook up with Hancock or any girl, I don't care, they werent any romance plot in it (though if I hae to chose, I prefer him with Nami) . But it won't appear as screw up at this

 

Sakura being a fangirl wasn't part of most her character in Shippuden. We saw her evolve from that. I won't repeat myself for like the 4th time. But she seem to have mixted feeling for Sasuke and Naruto. She had perspective and Kakashi said twice that she doesn't have romantic feeling for him. She wanted to save him. Don't say it's part of her character, it's wasn't until 699. Where everything goes backward.

 

NH and SS are canon due to asspull, somebody sold out. I agree that Kishi may not even at 100% in this decision, but in the end, he give in. NH is canon due to cash. SS out of conveniency, like Karin disappear out of convenience. 

 

Don't ask people to accept it. We have to live with it though.  Those who wants to pursue with theories and hope, GO AHEAD. WE NEED DREAMER LIKE YOU IN THIS WORLD. I use my rage to create a fan ending, not only to make NS happen, but to answer IDK, most of the plothole this ending have. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE NARUTO HOKAGE CELEBRATION. We can move on too, but understand that after 15 years of reading a story(in my case more like 8 years) , even if he had it's good moment, it's harder to get over the disappointing ending (especially after an horrible war arc) . I was too lazy to start any fanfic, thought I read it for like 3 years and I was afraid to disappoint. But after seeing this, I said screw this, I can do better.

 

Do what you want people. Even in the mangaverse failed us, the dream still stand for me. Maybe one day, after Naruto popularity dry out, we'll have the truth and maybe even the ending we deserve.

 

Kishimoto created Naruto and Sakura, his ending made them OOC as hell. I still love both those character and believe in them, The Naruto I've read for 8 years never give up, he help me get through my microbiology program, so I won't give up on them either. I make their happy ending happen and I'll still hope one day, they will have it for real. For now I'm done with Naruto.


Edited by archangel, 20 November 2014 - 03:39 AM.


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 03:45 AM

I've never been really a fanfic person, but I would like to try it. Does any one have any suggest on some good ones. Preferably where they already have a family together.


A Soul's Salvation by Lady Kogawolf
Wilderness by Kanji no Sakka
A Voice in the Wind by tricksie
Someone Else to Protect by KonohaKitten
The End of Shadows by azfaerydust
The Truth in Dreams by ClumsyPinkTiger
Lets Get Married by Luvtoshi
From the Heart by thunder3swords
In the Sun by Have Manners
Gardens of Rain (as well as the sequel Symphony Paradise) by Leowen Dravon

Just to name a few. They're all really fantastic reads U_U Also, if you look up an author named Digifruit on ff.net, all of his NS stories are great. None of the above have a family already in it, most mainly focus on the love between Naruto and Sakura. Sakura is pregnant in "someone else to protect", however. Like I said though, they're all really great.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:20 AM

To be fair, Sakura always loved Sasuke, so the movie won't be OOC for her. Hinata always loved Naruto, so she'll also be in character. Sasuke, I assume, will be like pre-Shippu Sasuke, personality wise lol

 

Also, on the 'this is just one huge masterfully planned out prank to make NS canon"...again, the guy said he couldn't write romance because it embarrassed him. He's not the kind of writer to go through this intricate and convoluted plan just for romance. Something he admittedly left out of his story.

 

Let's take MLP and its fandom for an example. MLP is a cute show for little girls and is straight forward with its messages. The fandom thinks it's really deep and complex, and continue to get upset when the show does things for its real audience, little girls. They read way too deeply into a show that is, well, shallow with its story telling. It's the same with Naruto. Naruto was a regular Shonen manga for children about a magical ninja who talked to his enemies instead of just defeating/killing them. The romance was an afterthought/subplot that Kishi wasn't really comfortable doing. It's not any deeper than this.

 

The movie is Naruhina centric because Naruto is the main character, and who he falls in love with is going to be the main focus. If Kishimoto says Naruto loves Hinata, not Sakura, then he loves Hinata. It's his story, he's the writer. Naruto isn't a real person, and thinks/feels/does whatever the writer decides. We may want/wish otherwise, but that's the canon. You can move on, you can love and enjoy your ship in fanon, or you can only disappoint yourself clinging onto false hope. The choice is yours to make.

Sorry, but that is an extremely bad example. "If Kishimoto says Naruto loves Hinata." Well, for 698 chapters Kishimoto said Naruto loves Sakura and Sakura feelings were changing. You also have Sasuke say he had no reason to love Sakura at all. In almost everything else save for the final two chapters and the movie, everything remained pretty constant...this is what some people are not getting. These last two chapters went against EVERYTHING the rest of the manga set up and you expect us to just "accept and move on?" What next should all writers just get away with this kind of story writing? Just at the final stretch just say "kitten it" and write whatever suits their fancy even when it breaks their own rules?

If you truly believe this is acceptable...then why do we even have criticism at all? There is a reason why people look at this stuff and judge it for quality because you can mess up the story. If we excuse this behavior in writing every time a new media shows up, then what's the point of calling something good or bad? Might as well never fail me for getting answers wrong on the test because "I wanted to answer it that way so you can't fail me." It is ridiculous and people know this.

To accept this means to accept every mediocre or badly written story and calling it Shakespeare. Even Stephen King would frown at this kind of writing and he basically promotes good writing ethics. I'm sorry, but I am so sick of people telling me to "accept this" or to say "well it is the way the author wanted it." Well, I am the buyer...the consumer...your demographic and if I don't approve of it, then you don't gain money from me.

Yeah, authors can do what they like, but there is a right and wrong way of doing it....this was the wrong way.

There is also no excuse why many elements of the story were either dropped or ignored completely simply to suit a story aspect. THAT is bad writing and really shows the writer's quality. If you can't make a story flow right and make sense, then maybe Kishimoto needs to give up being a writer.


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:31 AM

Banada-sempai on tumblr made this.  Has anyone posted it here before me?

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:34 AM

I wonder why so many people starts following me all the sudden. Must be my consistent writing.

Anyway, it's a shame because the more I look back, the more flaw you actually find rather than trying to justify the overall. It's a bridge that needed to be kept safe but the drones just randomly pop out and destroy it. Actually, when you think about it, it's almost like he went the flow and do so. Like the only plan is the conclusion of brotherhood, which felt normal in the series despite the overdose of it that even Free! would think that's too much. Other than that, well, I don't know whose fault is it in the overall. Yes, Kishi is the blame but is there accomplice or rather the mastermind behind it. I guess we would never know.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:39 AM

 
Well, that's partly untrue. Naruto did open up to Hinata before his fight with Neji. He told her he puts on an act and she says he's a proud failure, etc.


I meant that Naruto's never blushed at Hinata in a romantic/attracted way or related to her other than their shared "failure" backstory.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:43 AM

I think it's because Hanabi's kidnapping part won't last long in the movie. It will be just the beginning of the movie, the true plot of the movie will start when they will save Hanabi and Hinata will be kidnapped, thus leading Naruto to discover his feelings for Hinata. 


you are mistaken


Toneri originally wanted Hinata

not Hanabi


Hanabi is just a bait! :hm:

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:54 AM

Banada-sempai on tumblr made this.  Has anyone posted it here before me?
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lol :chuckle:

this movie is full of kitten :facepalm:

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 04:58 AM

I still don't get how Hinata is Naruto's "love interest"...
He's HER love interest.
Naruto's love interest is Sakura. xD

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:07 AM

I still don't get how Hinata is Naruto's "love interest"...
He's HER love interest.
Naruto's love interest is Sakura. xD

Not anymore, SP and Kishi twisted Naruto's character in that movie, so now he's romantically interested in Hinata while Sakura was just a mere crush. 


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:10 AM

Has most of the Japanese naruto fandom accepted this bs ending? I really don't see how people would actually want to see this piece of kitten

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:30 AM

I think that most JP fans are making the right noises publicly about accepting it - thanking Kishi on Twitter for all his hard work, etc.  Behind locked forums, I expect there is as much general confusion and havoc as we've been experiencing for the last few weeks.


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    i'll just gonna say that im gonna be forever anti SS/NH/SK

Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:37 AM

i dont advise anyone to watch the movie if you dont want torturing yourself...naruhina spoilers bombs dropping everywhere,and i predict it will be 90% about naruhina,there are some spoilers where naruto appears to be confessing something on the mic with his hand on his heart..plus  the naruhina kids will be in it..go figure


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:40 AM

Haha...sad but true.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:42 AM

where naruto appears to be confessing something on the mic with his hand on his heart..

No no no no no no, they wouldn't. They wouldn't actually be THIS corny, would they?


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 05:46 AM

No no no no no no, they wouldn't. They wouldn't actually be THIS corny, would they?

its a LOVE movie written by kishimoto...or at least 80% directed by kishi..what do you expect?even him admitted he is embarrased writting romance and doesnt have much talent to do so


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