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#12481 Slextrem

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 12 2013, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the initial plan wasnt to tell Naruto about what the village decided?
And moreover Yamato/Sai said that she knew that Naruto would reject her and she knew it would fail.
That she planned ot kill Sasuke all along since the begining and let Naruto hates her and blame.

Plan B:Take matters into her own hands
1) Well shortly after she said "I'm sorry Naruto" then asked Kiba where Sasuke was and made a promise to everyone they would kill Sasuke together. Then she puts everyone to sleep and go to confront Sasuke.
2) On the arrival she was still thinking if she kill Sasuke or not, didnt she made up her mind to kill him?
3) Plus the fact that her poison is not strong and does not instant kill which makes me wonder that she always carry this poise whenever she goes and it's not something that is planned.
4) Only on the second time when she was talking with Karin she made up her mind to kill Sasuke and still failed.
5) Sakura is smart the second intelligent person on K11 but still could not figure out that Sasuke was immune to Shizune's poison something that even Kakashi figured out just looking at Sasuke.


This confession and this mini-arc is so confused that all the theories pretty much get nullified by each other.

Bolded: Initially, but if Naruto had given up on Sasuke, she would have had to tell him eventually. I think the idea was, if Naruto gives up on chasing after Sasuke after hearing about all of the crimes that he's committed, Naruto will be alright with the village terminating him. Of course, Sakura understood that the chances of that were unlikely, but the point is that Plan A would have lead to Sasuke's death.

Regarding Plan B, she wanted to kill Sasuke herself.

1) If Naruto wasn't going to give up on Sasuke, she could at least take the blame for Sasuke's death instead of having the K11 do it, which would have led to Naruto hating all of his friends. That's why she says they're going to kill Sasuke together, but then puts the team to sleep once they find him.

2) She had made up her mind, but she was looking for an opportunity to attack him. Let's face it, Sakura wouldn't stand a chance fighting Sasuke. She knew that, which is why she was waiting for him to let his guard down. When she found him, she offered to go with him so that she would be given more chances to finish him off. The idea was that if she gets on his team and earns his trust, he's more likely to let his guard down in front of her, giving her a chance to kill him. But, Sasuke wanted proof of her loyalty. Kill Karin. Sakura isn't the type to take a life just because. She's a healer, not a murderer. That's why she questions whether or not she should kill Sasuke at that moment. Can she sacrifice someone else to get to Sasuke or should she attack Sasuke right then and there? As we know, Sasuke doesn't give her the opportunity to make up her mind.

3) Well, given that we haven't seen Sakura use poison in battle before, I'm going to guess that it's not something she carries with her all of the time. Plus, there aren't very many poisons that instantly kill. Even Sasori's poison took three days to kill those that fell victim to it. I think the idea was to have the poison weaken Sasuke so that it would be easier for her to take him down. If it didn't kill him right away, it would at least provide her an opportunity to fight him equally. Like I said earlier, Sakura isn't exactly on equal standing with Sasuke. The poison gives her an advantage over him.

4) I don't think so. I believe her resolve to kill him hardened after seeing the kind of person that he had turned into, but I don't think that was the only time where she had really made up her mind. It depends on how you interpreted her first interaction with Sasuke. I saw it as her following a plan, (find Sasuke, get on his team, wait for him to let his guard down, poison him, finish him off), that went awry when Sasuke attacked her first. You saw it differently than I did.

5) I don't remember seeing that Sasuke is immune to poison. huh.gif

Edited by Slextrem, 12 March 2013 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 12 2013, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: Initially, but if Naruto had given up on Sasuke, she would have had to tell him eventually. I think the idea was, if Naruto gives up on chasing after Sasuke after hearing about all of the crimes that he's committed, Naruto will be alright with the village terminating him. Of course, Sakura understood that the chances of that were unlikely, but the point is that Plan A would have lead to Sasuke's death.

Regarding Plan B, she wanted to kill Sasuke herself.

1) If Naruto wasn't going to give up on Sasuke, she could at least take the blame for Sasuke's death instead of having the K11 do it, which would have led to Naruto hating all of his friends. That's why she says they're going to kill Sasuke together, but then puts the team to sleep once they find him.

2) She had made up her mind, but she was looking for an opportunity to attack him. Let's face it, Sakura wouldn't stand a chance fighting Sasuke. She knew that, which is why she was waiting for him to let his guard down. When she found him, she offered to go with him so that she would be given more chances to finish him off. The idea was that if she gets on his team and earns his trust, he's more likely to let his guard down in front of her, giving her a chance to kill him. But, Sasuke wanted proof of her loyalty. Kill Karin. Sakura isn't the type to take a life just because. She's a healer, not a murderer. That's why she questions whether or not she should kill Sasuke at that moment. Can she sacrifice someone else to get to Sasuke or should she attack Sasuke right then and there? As we know, Sasuke doesn't give her the opportunity to make up her mind.

3) Well, given that we haven't seen Sakura use poison in battle before, I'm going to guess that it's not something she carries with her all of the time. Plus, there aren't very many poisons that instantly kill. Even Sasori's poison took three days to kill those that fell victim to it. I think the idea was to have the poison weaken Sasuke so that it would be easier for her to take him down. If it didn't kill him right away, it would at least provide her an opportunity to fight him equally. Like I said earlier, Sakura isn't exactly on equal standing with Sasuke. The poison gives her an advantage over him.

4) I don't think so. I believe her resolve to kill him hardened after seeing the kind of person that he had turned into, but I don't think that was the only time where she had really made up her mind. It depends on how you interpreted her first interaction with Sasuke. I saw it as her following a plan, (find Sasuke, get on his team, wait for him to let his guard down, poison him, finish him off), that went awry when Sasuke attacked her first. You saw it differently than I did.

5) I don't remember seeing that Sasuke is immune to poison. huh.gif


i'm not disagreeing with you because even my theory as it flaws first
The confession was something she planned.

Now going to the plan B
She didnt made up her mind since she asked Kiba in tears to search for Sasuke, that was her first sign that something was wrong with her, that she was under emotional pressure and was going to do something stupid, first lets see what she got.

-> A weak poison, never on dreams she would be able to finish off Sasuke like that and even with poison, Naruto got poisoned with it and he even could use a rasengan and fight a little and stand by a lot of time before it actually take effect
So the fact is no matter how it was she would die, her death was 100% sure and i dont think she thought about this scenario since she had no plans to escape there was no plan C for someome who's very intellingent like Sakura who figured out about Zetsu and even Obito's power, a girl that could not come with a decent plan to take down Sasuke for me she didnt planned it sounded to me like a girl under an emotional pressure who was forced to do that without thinking this is even stated by Naruto himself, he was concerned about Sakura doing something without thinking.
Even her speech sounded unconvincing she didnt even cried when she said "i want to go with you", different than her speech that she did to Naruto after witnessing that her confession was going downhill.

Sakura only made up her mind after her talk with Karin when she was thinking about finishing Sasuke off she thought "If i only stab him now all ends".

I'm not denying that she went to kill Sasuke i'm denying that she planned it, she didnt planned to kill Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 March 2013 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:05 PM


When I read this again, I can't see how NaruHina can happen.
This is proof that Kishimoto wants to pair Sakura with Naruto, this... is what I call a build up. And it began in first part, when Naruto fought Zabuza.
Kishimoto woudn't play with Sakura's feelings for Naruto if his intention wasn't NS to be canon. What he's doing with Hinata is just trolling and fanservice.
The NH/SS fans and a few NS fans are falling in the trap (or just doesn't want to open their eyes). Don't forget what happened before in the manga. It's like forgetting the scene where Suigetsu talks about what Karin did to Sasuke. And I mean it, a lot of people (SSfans) forgot about that, they even said that we'll never see Karin again after Sasuke's attack, that she doesn't love her anymore, and that she doesn't have any importance in the manga anymore.
Conclusion : She always loves him, and she is an Uzumaki.


Here we have Yamato's speech, but also Sakura asking herself about the nature of her feelings for Naruto IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MANGA.
And Databook insists on that hint even in the third one.


They are unfinished scenes. Kishi can't just skip this, that's why NH didn't have any chance to begin with. (in my point of view of course, I know a lot will not agree with me)
What we're seeing right now is just illusion, a Genjutsu. And if you pay a lot of intention, Kishimoto does everything to not let Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata.
Why do you think ? Because if he does, NaruSaku would be illogical as hell. The guy keeps loving Sakura, he can hold Hinata's hand, save her, all what yoyu want, but he can't blushing, kiss her, and saying that he loves her.


Trust me my friends, it's just a matter of time. Kishi is making everyone happy, even if in my point of view it's a bad idea.
Why ? Because a lot of Hinata fans will hate Sakura for being Naruto's partner instead of Hinata. They will also hate Naruto for not accepting her feelings after she gave her life for him, and so on...
From were I come from, a lot of fans are thinking like this. If Naruto will get Sakura right now (after holding hand part), he will be a jerk.



It's Kishimoto's fault who gave to much hope for this sidecharacters... that's why I think it was a bad idea to give Hinata so much screentime.
The only good idea is making NS canon in the last chapter, so he can keep his sells. Yeah, cause I know that a lot of readers will only stop buying and reading Naruto because NH didn't happen.
The fandom is really big, bigger than NS and SS.
I don't say that all NH fans will stop buying, but I think a lot of them will. Sometimes, I read some strange postings on youtube, or even on other forums. -_________-

Edited by Sojobo, 12 March 2013 - 07:07 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Mar 12 2013, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

When I read this again, I can't see how NaruHina can happen.
This is proof that Kishimoto wants to pair Sakura with Naruto, this... is what I call a build up. And it began in first part, when Naruto fought Zabuza.
Kishimoto woudn't play with Sakura's feelings for Naruto if his intention wasn't NS to be canon. What he's doing with Hinata is just trolling and fanservice.
The NH/SS fans and a few NS fans are falling in the trap (or just doesn't want to open their eyes). Don't forget what happened before in the manga. It's like forgetting the scene where Suigetsu talks about what Karin did to Sasuke. And I mean it, a lot of people (SSfans) forgot about that, they even said that we'll never see Karin again after Sasuke's attack, that she doesn't love her anymore, and that she doesn't have any importance in the manga anymore.
Conclusion : She always loves him, and she is an Uzumaki.


Here we have Yamato's speech, but also Sakura asking herself about the nature of her feelings for Naruto IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MANGA.
And Databook insists on that hint even in the third one.


They are unfinished scenes. Kishi can't just skip this, that's why NH didn't have any chance to begin with. (in my point of view of course, I know a lot will not agree with me)
What we're seeing right now is just illusion, a Genjutsu. And if you pay a lot of intention, Kishimoto does everything to not let Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata.
Why do you think ? Because if he does, NaruSaku would be illogical as hell. The guy keeps loving Sakura, he can hold Hinata's hand, save her, all what yoyu want, but he can't blushing, kiss her, and saying that he loves her.


Trust me my friends, it's just a matter of time. Kishi is making everyone happy, even if in my point of view it's a bad idea.
Why ? Because a lot of Hinata fans will hate Sakura for being Naruto's partner instead of Hinata. They will also hate Naruto for not accepting her feelings after she gave her life for him, and so on...
From were I come from, a lot of fans are thinking like this. If Naruto will get Sakura right now (after holding hand part), he will be a jerk.



It's Kishimoto's fault who gave to much hope for this sidecharacters... that's why I think it was a bad idea to give Hinata so much screentime.
The only good idea is making NS canon in the last chapter, so he can keep his sells. Yeah, cause I know that a lot of readers will only stop buying and reading Naruto because NH didn't happen.
The fandom is really big, bigger than NS and SS.
I don't say that all NH fans will stop buying, but I think a lot of them will. Sometimes, I read some strange postings on youtube, or even on other forums. -_________-

Yeah i agree with you there, this scene is one of the strongest ones in the whole NS history. NH doesnt have on like this and will never have.
Some people might say the hand holding, but its not 1% comparable since naruto didnt show any feelings for hinata there instead of sakura during yamatos words.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 12 2013, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah i agree with you there, this scene is one of the strongest ones in the whole NS history. NH doesnt have on like this and will never have.
Some people might say the hand holding, but its not 1% comparable since naruto didnt show any feelings for hinata there instead of sakura during yamatos words.

Hand holding is a matter of interpretation.
Of course NH fans will use that in a positive way for their favorite pairing, but there is no romantic hints from Naruto, holding hands can mean everything.

In Yamato's speech, we don't have any other interpretation than love. We know that this is what he wanted to say. I don't see anything else, because at that point of manga, Sakura already is Naruto's friend, they already create that strong bond that team 7 shares, so it's something other that friendship and brother/sister love.
Even Sai who knew the two very well with his friend in Anbu, doesn't know this feeling. He just read it in a book.
It's love, and it's an unfinished scene. This mean when the time will come, it will be decisive.
There was no point to reveal Sakura's feeling at that moment, Kishi would have lost to many readers, and Shonen Jump knows that.
It will all happen in the end, with no surprise for me...

Edited by Sojobo, 12 March 2013 - 07:26 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 12 2013, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm not disagreeing with you because even my theory as it flaws first
The confession was something she planned.

Now going to the plan B
She didnt made up her mind since she asked Kiba in tears to search for Sasuke, that was her first sign that something was wrong with her, that she was under emotional pressure and was going to do something stupid, first lets see what she got.

-> A weak poison, never on dreams she would be able to finish off Sasuke like that and even with poison, Naruto got poisoned with it and he even could use a rasengan and fight a little and stand by a lot of time before it actually take effect
So the fact is no matter how it was she would die, her death was 100% sure and i dont think she thought about this scenario since she had no plans to escape there was no plan C for someome who's very intellingent like Sakura who figured out about Zetsu and even Obito's power, a girl that could not come with a decent plan to take down Sasuke for me she didnt planned it sounded to me like a girl under an emotional pressure who was forced to do that without thinking this is even stated by Naruto himself, he was concerned about Sakura doing something without thinking.
Even her speech sounded unconvincing she didnt even cried when she said "i want to go with you", different than her speech that she did to Naruto after witnessing that her confession was going downhill.

Sakura only made up her mind after her talk with Karin when she was thinking about finishing Sasuke off she thought "If i only stab him now all ends".

I'm not denying that she went to kill Sasuke i'm denying that she planned it, she didnt planned to kill Sasuke.

Her eyes weren't teary because she suddenly decided that she was going to kill Sasuke and was feeling emotional. Her tears when she asks Kiba to search for Sasuke come from her feelings for Naruto. She thinks, "Naruto, I'm sorry", and then starts to tear up because she's about to commence Plan B and she knows how it will affect Naruto.

Also, she had no way of knowing how powerful and mental Sasuke had become. She hadn't seen the guy since their brief encounter with him at the beginning of Shippuden. Naruto resisted the poison, and I'm sure Sasuke would have resisted it for a while too, but Sakura had no way of knowing how strong he had become. Just like she didn't anticipate him to attack her as soon as she had her back turned to him. She was thinking that he was still on the same level that he was the last time she saw him, which I assume is why she chose to use a poisoned kunai in the first place. Maybe she would have made a stronger poison or actually used her fists to fight him had she known that he had the Mangekyo Sharingan and had fallen so far into darkness that he was ready and willing to kill her on the spot.

I'm sure she wasn't expecting any of that which is also an explanation as to why she didn't come up with Plan C. Once she had the poison in him, it wouldn't have mattered even if he did kill her, (not that she was expecting him to). The poison would take care of him eventually. Besides, there were only so many plans that she could come up with that didn't involve getting help from the Rookies. She wanted to take him out on her own, remember? This was probably the best plan that she was able to come up with that didn't involve asking others for help or letting Sasuke know what her intentions were.

Of course she didn't cry when she told Sasuke that she wanted to join him. It was part of her plan. She had her poker face on. That's actually confirmation to me that she wasn't acting on impulse. If she was letting her emotions get the best of her during that first interaction with Sasuke, she would have shown more emotion there, wouldn't she? huh.gif

Anyway, it depends on how you interpret her actions. I can see a reason behind everything she did up until Sasuke attacked her the first time, which tells me that she had it all planned out. Things didn't go as expected because Sasuke ended up being a lot stronger and darker than she had imagined.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:34 PM

NS won't happen anytime soon. It has to flow with the manga like it's stretching with it till somewhat the near end, or just at the end.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 12 2013, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Her eyes weren't teary because she suddenly decided that she was going to kill Sasuke and was feeling emotional. Her tears when she asks Kiba to search for Sasuke come from her feelings for Naruto. She thinks, "Naruto, I'm sorry", and then starts to tear up because she's about to commence Plan B and she knows how it will affect Naruto.

Also, she had no way of knowing how powerful and mental Sasuke had become. She hadn't seen the guy since their brief encounter with him at the beginning of Shippuden. Naruto resisted the poison, and I'm sure Sasuke would have resisted it for a while too, but Sakura had no way of knowing how strong he had become. Just like she didn't anticipate him to attack her as soon as she had her back turned to him. She was thinking that he was still on the same level that he was the last time she saw him, which I assume is why she chose to use a poisoned kunai in the first place. Maybe she would have made a stronger poison or actually used her fists to fight him had she known that he had the Mangekyo Sharingan and had fallen so far into darkness that he was ready and willing to kill her on the spot.

I'm sure she wasn't expecting any of that which is also an explanation as to why she didn't come up with Plan C. Once she had the poison in him, it wouldn't have mattered even if he did kill her, (not that she was expecting him to). The poison would take care of him eventually. Besides, there were only so many plans that she could come up with that didn't involve getting help from the Rookies. She wanted to take him out on her own, remember? This was probably the best plan that she was able to come up with that didn't involve asking others for help or letting Sasuke know what her intentions were.

Of course she didn't cry when she told Sasuke that she wanted to join him. It was part of her plan. She had her poker face on. That's actually confirmation to me that she wasn't acting on impulse. If she was letting her emotions get the best of her during that first interaction with Sasuke, she would have shown more emotion there, wouldn't she? huh.gif

Anyway, it depends on how you interpret her actions. I can see a reason behind everything she did up until Sasuke attacked her the first time, which tells me that she had it all planned out. Things didn't go as expected because Sasuke ended up being a lot stronger and darker than she had imagined.

How so?
She'd met Sasuke on the snake hideout and she was even surprised by the fact he got so powerfull on a "short amount of time" does not matter how she felt there, it1s kinda obvious she didnt had a plan i cant take it seriously someome who made a backup plan in case of her confession ended up on a failure but could not had a backup plan in case of she fails to get close to Sasuke.
Just think with me you said that she wanted to gain Sasuke's trust and on the right time to land the finishing blow on him.
This can take days until she can find an opening what do you think Naruto would feel if he learns that Sakura teamed up with Sasuke, his heart would shatter witnessing such betrayal, she didnt even thought about the outcome of her decision or her "plan" she only had a poison that was weak and even Kakashi knew that her poison was weak she had any other resource or means to take down Sasuke other than that, she knew Sasuke's strenght she had a measure of it on the first meeting, she knew who she would face, i cant accept this theory unless if Kishi decrease her inteligence level.

i'm sorry but she didnt planned to kill Sasuke, she went to kill him but she didnt planned it was something done in a hurry, and Sai only knew that she was going to put everyone to sleep because he was already being suspicious of her behavior and Naruto alerted Sai that she was capable of doing something without thinking.
Sakura is not a cold person who would do a plan on a difficult and emotional situation she's not like Shikamaru.

About the bolded one, would not be more convincing?
She made a pose and even did a facial expresion to convince Naruto that she was in love with him then she did the same face like you pointed out when she said that Sasuke means nothing to her, which is also the part that the confession went downhill and he didnt listened to her anymore, then she went honest and told him what she felt about Naruto and she had a way different expression than the expression that you pointed out.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 March 2013 - 11:02 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Mar 12 2013, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

When I read this again, I can't see how NaruHina can happen.
This is proof that Kishimoto wants to pair Sakura with Naruto, this... is what I call a build up. And it began in first part, when Naruto fought Zabuza.
Kishimoto woudn't play with Sakura's feelings for Naruto if his intention wasn't NS to be canon. What he's doing with Hinata is just trolling and fanservice.
The NH/SS fans and a few NS fans are falling in the trap (or just doesn't want to open their eyes). Don't forget what happened before in the manga. It's like forgetting the scene where Suigetsu talks about what Karin did to Sasuke. And I mean it, a lot of people (SSfans) forgot about that, they even said that we'll never see Karin again after Sasuke's attack, that she doesn't love her anymore, and that she doesn't have any importance in the manga anymore.
Conclusion : She always loves him, and she is an Uzumaki.


Here we have Yamato's speech, but also Sakura asking herself about the nature of her feelings for Naruto IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MANGA.
And Databook insists on that hint even in the third one.


I'd find Sakura's brief "What is this feeling?" thought more meaningful if she had this more than once in Part 1. My opinion is that she was not confused over what she felt for Naruto, she knew he was only a friend to her and nothing more. After all, it was all about Sasuke, remember? I personally think she was just feeling confused that she was admiring his determination when all she ever thought previously was that he was a no-talent loser.

But it is important. Kishimoto was foreshadowing her future conflict and confusion over her feelings for Naruto in Part 2. Well played, Kishi. cool.gif

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:33 AM

Slightly off topic but theres another reason I feel the bench scene is coming back to be rehashed.

Namely it si the parallel issue. This is yet another parallel to Minakushina that has again come BEFORE the minakush scene was used.

Kishimoto sensei has had a habit of showing parallels of NaruSaku before revealing another parallel that supports it much as Naruto saving sakura from Sasuke was done before minato was shown saving kushina.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:47 AM

So yeah I was reading through some post and I thought of something. If obito saw through his eye (that is in kakashi) when kakashi killed rin and also knew kakashi mourned him wouldn't that mean that he knows Sakura is naruto's love interest through kakashi's eye??? Hopefully I got the whole eye thing correct.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:12 AM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Mar 12 2013, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Slightly off topic but theres another reason I feel the bench scene is coming back to be rehashed.

Namely it si the parallel issue. This is yet another parallel to Minakushina that has again come BEFORE the minakush scene was used.

Kishimoto sensei has had a habit of showing parallels of NaruSaku before revealing another parallel that supports it much as Naruto saving sakura from Sasuke was done before minato was shown saving kushina.


This^ I have a feeling the bench scene will be brought again since it's very essential to the foundation of NS. Also I think Sakura will have the flashback of the bench scene either when Kishi returns to the battlefield or when Naruto encounters Sasuke for the third time.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:02 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 13 2013, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd find Sakura's brief "What is this feeling?" thought more meaningful if she had this more than once in Part 1. My opinion is that she was not confused over what she felt for Naruto, she knew he was only a friend to her and nothing more. After all, it was all about Sasuke, remember? I personally think she was just feeling confused that she was admiring his determination when all she ever thought previously was that he was a no-talent loser.

But it is important. Kishimoto was foreshadowing her future conflict and confusion over her feelings for Naruto in Part 2. Well played, Kishi. cool.gif


That really doesn't make sense... You say that she knew he was only a friend to her and wasn't confused about it yet she was confused as to why she was admiring him?

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Well Sakura is the way she is because of Naruto.

He is the guy who still gives her hope, thou I don't think Sakura wants a happy ending with Sasuke but a happy ending with all of team 7.


As for Naruto his thoughts are never of himself or even Sakura, but of Sasuke. And even if they did start something romantic before Sasuke is dealt with it would be strained by Naruto's decision to pursue Sasuke.

Even thou Naruto loves Sakura he formed a relationship with her that involves getting back Sasuke. I am not talking about the promise but usually when Naruto is relating to Sakura he always brings Sasuke at the front.

When he was in hospital after the rasenshuriken incident it wasn't Sakura who brought up Sasuke but Naruto. In fact Naruto gives more thought to Sasuke than Sakura. Sure that may be because we are allowed some sneak preview of his thoughts more often than Sakura's but still he thinks himself as a failure until he can help Sasuke defeat his hatred.



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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 13 2013, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This^ I have a feeling the bench scene will be brought again since it's very essential to the foundation of NS. Also I think Sakura will have the flashback of the bench scene either when Kishi returns to the battlefield or when Naruto encounters Sasuke for the third time.


I don't know ... like I said earlier, the Bench Scene wasn't given that much importance at all. It's not the reason Sakura's feelings got deeper, her feelings for him got deeper in the Chunin Exams arc. It's pointed out even more when "Sasuke" brushed it off by saying it was a joke, something Naruto would say. She never mentions the compliment, not even in her confession to Sasuke when she had the opportunity. And, well, no flashbacks of it. I'm not sure if it'll happen or not and I feel like we shouldn't claim for a fact it will. The MK parallel? Doesn't mean it'll be repeated with NS. Just the fact that Naruto complimented her forehead once is enough.

Noted, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen. I really do, it'd make for a great NS moment. happy.gif I just don't think it has to happen for NS to become canon, there are plenty of other more likely options IMO.

@HauntedCake: She was confused because she liked his courage and determination that she didn't think he had before so it surprised her. I actually think that was just Sakura's original shallowness showing up, not feeling seriously confused over her own feelings. It's way too early for that, he was merely a friend to her. Sasuke was the only one she liked that way, not Naruto. It just foreshadowed her serious conflict and confusion in Part 2. smile.gif

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:58 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 13 2013, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know ... like I said earlier, the Bench Scene wasn't given that much importance at all. It's not the reason Sakura's feelings got deeper, her feelings for him got deeper in the Chunin Exams arc. It's pointed out even more when "Sasuke" brushed it off by saying it was a joke, something Naruto would say. She never mentions the compliment, not even in her confession to Sasuke when she had the opportunity. And, well, no flashbacks of it. I'm not sure if it'll happen or not and I feel like we shouldn't claim for a fact it will. The MK parallel? Doesn't mean it'll be repeated with NS. Just the fact that Naruto complimented her forehead once is enough.

Noted, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen. I really do, it'd make for a great NS moment. happy.gif I just don't think it has to happen for NS to become canon, there are plenty of other more likely options IMO.

@HauntedCake: She was confused because she liked his courage and determination that she didn't think he had before so it surprised her. I actually think that was just Sakura's original shallowness showing up, not feeling seriously confused over her own feelings. It's way too early for that, he was merely a friend to her. Sasuke was the only one she liked that way, not Naruto. It just foreshadowed her serious conflict and confusion in Part 2. smile.gif

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:02 AM

@xxRomanceGirlxx

The forehead complement is not necessary but it would be very fitting when all is considered.

You can't really say it's just enough that it was said in chapter 3 for it be be compared to how Minato said it to Kushina given that Sakura though it was just Sasuke making a joke. The scene was completely downplayed thanks to Naruto passing it off as kidding around, therefore we have no hint that Sakura truly thinks that Naruto likes her forehead. The way it was done between Naruto and Sakura leaves it open for it to resurface again in a way that's more fitting to how impacting it was when Kushina heard it from Minato.

I can't get the feeling out of my head that maybe Naruto will end up kissing Sakura's forehead at some point before the end. We already had that scene between Tsuande and Dan, so it's not outside the realm of imagination.

Seriously, Naruto and Sakura have such great potential for them to be developed as a couple and it's all based on previous events from the manga. That's one thing that NS has that the others don't, buildup and foreshadowing. In comparison NH and SS just happen for the sake of happening, that's a pretty dull conclusion if you ask me.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Mar 10 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura is no longer confuse about her feelings for Naruto, I know many say this because of chapter 540 while hopping for an event that will finally clear her mind in a way that she will clearly see that Naruto was always the man she loves, the thing is Sakura at this time feels an attraction towards Naruto and he is the one who genuinely makes her feel safe and appreciated but the problems are:

-Sakura knows Hinata likes Naruto.

-Despite Naruto loving her He always trays to encourage her love for Sasuke while asking her to keep believing in him so I'm sure many girl feels disappointed and turn off towards a guy when they try to show the smallest of affection towards the guy but the guy keeps reminding her about her past love.

-They are forced to constantly think or talk about Sasuke.

-And lastly Sakura does not feel deserving of Naruto's love, many will say why does she feel that Sasuke deserve her love, the thing here is that Sakura didn't felt like that anymore after Sai's revelation but Naruto restore that faith again, in other words Sakura believes in Naruto who believes in Sasuke, but even 540 shows up that dispute her believing in Naruto she need to face reality at some point, the biggest example will be Sakura disagree with the lover nin while picturing Sasuke for the 1st time as who he really is.

I believe there are to many evidence in the Manga that shows that Sakura unintentionally displaying what she feels for Naruto is almost like the outside Sakura wants to keep with the same mentality but the inside Sakura is asking her to open her eyes something she has started doing for a good while but always ends up getting blinded by Naruto's faith again.

I don't know but I feel that Sakura will have a role with Naruto instead of herself, I seriously believe Sakura will TNJ Naruto about Sasuke at some point, if this doesn't happen then is clear that Kishi wants Sasuke to be a victim and at the end of the Manga everyone most forgive him and forget.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Also I just wanted to share my thoughts, I believe that sakura ALWAYS doubted her feelings for sasuke, even in part one, firstly because, in the forest of death when lee wanted to save her and he got defeated by the three sound ninja, and naruto and sasuke were out cold, sakura was talking about all her doubts and how she was a failure, she said, "I always tell naruto what to do...and yet.. im not even on his level" or something along those lines but I dont remember, but I remembered this in part in particular, sakura then says, "I say I like sasuke..but..." this line in particular, and when the kumo ninja asked sakura why she cared about sasuke, and she just said, "I..I.." then she broke off into tears, then naruto was comforting her.And when sai told her about naruto, that was the mother of all breaking points for sakura, she woke up..realized that sasuke must be stopped at all cost and she realized that sasuke isn't the one she loves, that he's just a comrade she cares about, not a lover, like naruto.

Also chapter 540, people claim that sakura loves sasuke and blah blah, its actually that moment where you actually have to stop and think about everything up to that point, she was ashamed of ever loving sasuke, and now she loves naruto, you see naruto is that great guy, and sasuke isn't that great guy, why? Look at everything that happened in naruto and sakuras relationship and how positive it is, and look at all the evidence supporting this, no need to go repeating again, we're all well aware.Plus when the lover ninja gave sakura the love letter, she rejected it and said that theres already someone else she loves, without hesitating! But when he was like if its someone you love then he must be a great guy! Then sakura felt down! Because sasuke is not that great guy.

And lets say, according to they're interpretation that it was sasuke, really? All I have to say is go read the manga! That is IF and only if you read the same manga....

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Mar 13 2013, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I agree with you.

Also I just wanted to share my thoughts, I believe that sakura ALWAYS doubted her feelings for sasuke, even in part one, firstly because, in the forest of death when lee wanted to save her and he got defeated by the three sound ninja, and naruto and sasuke were out cold, sakura was talking about all her doubts and how she was a failure, she said, "I always tell naruto what to do...and yet.. im not even on his level" or something along those lines but I dont remember, but I remembered this in part in particular, sakura then says, "I say I like sasuke..but..." this line in particular, and when the kumo ninja asked sakura why she cared about sasuke, and she just said, "I..I.." then she broke off into tears, then naruto was comforting her.And when sai told her about naruto, that was the mother of all breaking points for sakura, she woke up..realized that sasuke must be stopped at all cost and she realized that sasuke isn't the one she loves, that he's just a comrade she cares about, not a lover, like naruto.

Also chapter 540, people claim that sakura loves sasuke and blah blah, its actually that moment where you actually have to stop and think about everything up to that point, she was ashamed of ever loving sasuke, and now she loves naruto, you see naruto is that great guy, and sasuke isn't that great guy, why? Look at everything that happened in naruto and sakuras relationship and how positive it is, and look at all the evidence supporting this, no need to go repeating again, we're all well aware.Plus when the lover ninja gave sakura the love letter, she rejected it and said that theres already someone else she loves, without hesitating! But when he was like if its someone you love then he must be a great guy! Then sakura felt down! Because sasuke is not that great guy.

And lets say, according to they're interpretation that it was sasuke, really? All I have to say is go read the manga! That is IF and only if you read the same manga....

Kishimoto confirmed it was Sasuke....


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 13 2013, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@HauntedCake: She was confused because she liked his courage and determination that she didn't think he had before so it surprised her. I actually think that was just Sakura's original shallowness showing up, not feeling seriously confused over her own feelings. It's way too early for that, he was merely a friend to her. Sasuke was the only one she liked that way, not Naruto. It just foreshadowed her serious conflict and confusion in Part 2. smile.gif


But what about first chapter in part 2? when naruto comes back? she had feeling of admiration for him and lets be honest she wasn't thinking about being friends with him, she was well... fangirling him (a little bit, but romantically) just like she did with sasuke.

Edited by HauntedCake, 13 March 2013 - 11:52 AM.

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