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[TerrorKing]

Which begs the question (not really), does that mean Kishi acknowledge his screwjob by repeating the same story, which leads to calling Naruto out on his failure, which doesn't lined up with other characters before him, which...*blown*

Perhaps, but it would have been even better if he didn't screw up in the first place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TouKen4Life3g]

I will not surprise, but I think he will say that bs is narusasu not happen because both of them is men.

@touken
I don't understand?

You would think Sarada would be the one liking him. Instead, it's part 1 ordeal. So that means that Kishi acknowledged that's the story on how he works. But then we have Naruto who is the only guy that shift target, so does that mean Naruto is a failure? Because that sure looks like it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Perhaps, but it would have been even better if he didn't screw up in the first place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Perhaps he should have never love Sakura in the first place. I would be fine with that. But no, it's a disaster.

[rocci]

Perhaps he should have never love Sakura in the first place. I would be fine with that. But no, it's a disaster.

Too late for fifteen years.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Too late for fifteen years.

Honestly, that is the sign of plan change way more so than all according to plan.

[TerrorKing]

Perhaps he should have never love Sakura in the first place. I would be fine with that. But no, it's a disaster.

Indeed. Naruto should have never had a romance subplot, or at the very least, Kishi should have kept it simple. No stupid love triangle. Don't get me wrong, the story already had lots of problems, but they could at least have been somewhat solved if the series had been given a proper ending. Instead Kishi just left all these plot threads hanging and then slapped a bad love story on top of it, which only ended up making things worse.

 

For shame Kishi.  

Edited by TerrorKing, 22 July 2015 - 01:32 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

You would think Sarada would be the one liking him. Instead, it's part 1 ordeal. So that means that Kishi acknowledged that's the story on how he works. But then we have Naruto who is the only guy that shift target, so does that mean Naruto is a failure? Because that sure looks like it.

 

Well the constant thing that gets brought up is that The next generation always surpasses the previous generation so I guess you can say Naruto is a failure. Although what I find ironic behind the whole surpassing the next generation is that Obito (who was like Naruto) ended up getting the girl (Rin) while Naruto didn't.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Well the constant thing that gets brought up is that The next generation always surpasses the previous generation so I guess you can say Naruto is a failure. Although what I find ironic behind the whole surpassing the next generation is that Obito (who was like Naruto) ended up getting the girl (Rin) while Naruto didn't.  

Which is odd and bad writing because it's not like we about to watch this series since it came from an original source in the first place. Why should we care now? What was the point of the main series? Don't negate everything we built upon.

[Popuri]

Depend on the writer, some of writers who have clear vision of their work will shrug it off. Some will bend over the demand of market.

Change based on popularity is not new in manga world. Rose of Versailles main character was Marie antonite, but due to her low popularity and lady oscar rise popularity, they change the mc to a popular side character. The change proof a success.
So it's not new in the commercial magazine who will kick out new comer if they are not popular like jump.

Geez, I didn't even realize that Marie Antoinette was the MC Lady Oscar was the MC all the time for me. 

[TerrorKing]

 

Well the constant thing that gets brought up is that The next generation always surpasses the previous generation so I guess you can say Naruto is a failure. Although what I find ironic behind the whole surpassing the next generation is that Obito (who was like Naruto) ended up getting the girl (Rin) while Naruto didn't.  

What's even worse is that we spent years watching Naruto grow, not just as a ninja but also as a character, only to have him fail in the end. Same with Sasuke and Sakura. That's just dumb. 

 

Then again I don't think Kishi has even considered that the ending goes against one of the principal themes of the manga. I think he just needed a way to extend the story and family drama was the only thing he could think of. 

 

There might have been a time when there was actual thought and intent behind Kishi's story, but that time is long gone. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 22 July 2015 - 02:01 PM.

[rocci]

Geez, I didn't even realize that Marie Antoinette was the MC Lady Oscar was the MC all the time for me. 

That's what wiki said.
But don't worry, lady oscar is the main character.

[Nostradamus]

Which is odd and bad writing because it's not like we about to watch this series since it came from an original source in the first place. Why should we care now? What was the point of the main series? Don't negate everything we built upon.

Like I said in my rant the entire journey is pointless if ending destroys the journey. There's no reason for anyone to read or re-read "Naruto" because in the end it's all pointless. Everything that has even happened in it and every piece of dialog and every battle and every development and everything you can think of was made pointless, meaningless and irrelevant. Everything that we loved about it has no meaning anymore.

 

It was all sacrificed to gave birth to a rehash of things that we already saw before, but told a bit differently with characters that no ones cares about.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Like I said in my rant the entire journey is pointless if ending destroys the journey. There's no reason for anyone to read or re-read "Naruto" because in the end it's all pointless. Everything that has even happened in it and every piece of dialog and every battle and every development and everything you can think of was made pointless, meaningless and irrelevant. Everything that we loved about it has no meaning anymore.

 

It was all sacrificed to gave birth to a rehash of things that we already saw before, but told a bit differently with characters that no ones cares about.

 

Dude, that is how I feel too, Nostradamus, and the fact of the matter is, this rehash approach sucks!

[LuckyChi7]

I've said this before, but Kishi had one shot at getting this right literally.  To be fair I knew something was up the moment we got the notice that Naruto would end in 5 weeks when the fight between Naruto and Sasuke was just about to start. Then of course we got The Last and it had the stupid red scarf and right before we got the confirmation that it was canon I was like "Where the hell was the scarf in the beginning there was no reference to it at all in the manga." and that was my biggest indication that Kishi just came up with that plotline on the spot.  

[rikakim94]

If I'm not mistaken, he got the tablet from his assistance. But I forget what is the interview.
I think the one who provide the information from Internet is jump editorial or sp, or both.
For jump, I think they pander over the biggest bid (nh & ss fan).
For sp, well they're bias.

I still think character popularity poll is the one who make kishi took the decision.

 

Someone knew someone who worked for the publishing company for  naruto and she wrote down on twitter of why the ending of naruto went the way it did.

 

Currently on twitter, a Japanese nrt fan (locked account) who apparently knows someone at Shueisha and the said person leaked the truth behind the ending; this information is being escalated around among fans on twitter. I would like to thank a friend who kindly notify me about this and gave a brief translation; however, this is not word for word translation and just a gist of it. Also, for personal reasons, I’m not going to post all tweets:

 

編集部のはサクラが嫌いで自らネガキャンをした。海外での嫌いなアニメキャラまとめ動画でサクラが1位になっていたことを、当時のジャンプ公式メルマガ的な物でURLを流した。 

後、イン戦以降の「サクラとヒナタ、どっちがヒロイン？」という質問をあるアンケート葉書で全てが決まったという事のようだ。当時はヒナタが告白したのにサクラがナルトに抱きついて、サクラクソ！みたいなアンチ意見がたくさん来たからその流れで決めたらしい。

ナルヒナ信者はカミソリレターもやらかしてたらしいし、アニメイトの前で署名活動して注意されていたという話もあった。それ程昔から過激な信者がついてて、活動を続けてきた。

The editors themselves hated sakura and started a negative campaign

Kishimoto tried to push sakura and was supported by other mangaka by the editors in shueisha refused to allow a sakura ending

Using a mail magazine within shueisha the editors even circulated the news about sakura being voted most hated character overseas

They even sent it with the video showing sakura being voted most hated with the email magazine

During the pain arc they apparently sent a questionnaire out that asked which one do you think is the heroine - sakura or hinata?

And apparently hinatards sent lots of comments about how hinata already confessed and yet Sakura is a kitten for still hugging naruto 

And that’s how they picked the heroine

A lot of hinatards also sent threatening letters to shueisha stating they want nh

Hinatards also tried to get petition signatures in front of animate and where warned to stop   

So that’s why it went this way

Pressure from editors and hinatards and s fans not knowing so they couldn’t counter the lobbying of the hinatards 

 

As for the popularity poll that was given to kishi at the time was from an email,mail magazine, a video that stated that sakura was the most hated character in the franchise and a questionnaire of who was a better herione during the pain arc. It was the editors of shueisha that did that.  

Edited by rikakim94, 22 July 2015 - 06:57 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

I remember that from a long time ago. 

[redrose3443]

I hope those same editors are suffering for that decision. Cause it wasn't just Sakura they ruined, it was the whole series.

[AHK]

Speaking of editors, here's the difference between Oda and Naruto, and this is why Naruto failed in the end. This is from a recent interview with Oda's current editor Suguru Sugita:

spoiler

Q4: What are some of the rules you have to abide by as the editor for One Piece?

A: He asked me not to pitch him too many ideas. The reason behind that is that if its another persons idea, then he wont be as inclined to draw it. Because its his own story, he wants to draw his own ideas. Also, he wants to work on the manga on the same playing-field as his editor, so he asked me not to call him Oda-sensei, but instead Oda-san. And Oda-san also calls me, a 26-year-old newbie editor, Sugita-san. [He] also asks me to honestly tell him what I think.

Q5: What aspects of Eiichiro Oda do you think are great?

A: Of course theres his talent, but what surprised me was just how much effort he puts into the series. There might come a day when Ill have a new manga artist Im working with who has more talent than Oda-san, but Im not so sure anyone will put in more effort. He is someone who only sleeps for maybe two or three hours a night and he always thinks about his manga. He does not compromise. When he thinks that something isnt funny or will not surprise the readers, then he just looks for something else, which I think is really amazing. Hes the quintessence of manga author-ness.

Oda's take on editors is the opposite of Kishi, it seems

Edited by AHK, 22 July 2015 - 09:18 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Speaking of editors, here's the difference between Oda and Naruto, and this is why Naruto failed in the end. This is from a recent interview with Oda's current editor Suguru Sugita:

spoiler

Q4: What are some of the rules you have to abide by as the editor for One Piece?

A: He asked me not to pitch him too many ideas. The reason behind that is that if its another persons idea, then he wont be as inclined to draw it. Because its his own story, he wants to draw his own ideas. Also, he wants to work on the manga on the same playing-field as his editor, so he asked me not to call him Oda-sensei, but instead Oda-san. And Oda-san also calls me, a 26-year-old newbie editor, Sugita-san. [He] also asks me to honestly tell him what I think.

Q5: What aspects of Eiichiro Oda do you think are great?

A: Of course theres his talent, but what surprised me was just how much effort he puts into the series. There might come a day when Ill have a new manga artist Im working with who has more talent than Oda-san, but Im not so sure anyone will put in more effort. He is someone who only sleeps for maybe two or three hours a night and he always thinks about his manga. He does not compromise. When he thinks that something isnt funny or will not surprise the readers, then he just looks for something else, which I think is really amazing. Hes the quintessence of manga author-ness.

Oda's take on editors is the opposite of Kishi, it seems

That's quite a contrast.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Speaking of editors, here's the difference between Oda and Naruto, and this is why Naruto failed in the end. This is from a recent interview with Oda's current editor Suguru Sugita:

spoiler

Q4: What are some of the rules you have to abide by as the editor for One Piece?

A: He asked me not to pitch him too many ideas. The reason behind that is that if its another persons idea, then he wont be as inclined to draw it. Because its his own story, he wants to draw his own ideas. Also, he wants to work on the manga on the same playing-field as his editor, so he asked me not to call him Oda-sensei, but instead Oda-san. And Oda-san also calls me, a 26-year-old newbie editor, Sugita-san. [He] also asks me to honestly tell him what I think.

Q5: What aspects of Eiichiro Oda do you think are great?

A: Of course theres his talent, but what surprised me was just how much effort he puts into the series. There might come a day when Ill have a new manga artist Im working with who has more talent than Oda-san, but Im not so sure anyone will put in more effort. He is someone who only sleeps for maybe two or three hours a night and he always thinks about his manga. He does not compromise. When he thinks that something isnt funny or will not surprise the readers, then he just looks for something else, which I think is really amazing. Hes the quintessence of manga author-ness.

Oda's take on editors is the opposite of Kishi, it seems

The extra author-interview chapter of Claymore with Yagi Norihiro also paints a very stark contrast to Kishi.  ( http://www.mangahere...ore/v23/c155.2/ )