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[TheFirstEvil100]

 

I like dynamic characters that grow and change with the story and she very much did that.

Yeah I do as well shows how bad war can be, but GSD well we know that was all about Lacus hell my friends hate Lacus as well, what is good is that more are liking Flay and knowing how bad Lacus is so have no fear many many like Flay that I have spoken too

[hinataiscreepy]

You guys know what is really sad that Kojima is a far better writer than Kishi I mean the man puts soul put into it, honestly. And then you look at the people in the game each one for eacvh game is just so well done more so with the females as Kojima makes them strong and with a story as well I mean most that are in the games are well done.

 

The Boss is just one I mean I dare anyone to say anything mean or hurt for about her her story in the Metal gear solid games is one of the best and well she is so bad ass too that many and many know of her and her skills.

 

Sniper Wolf a woman who could go days on end with out food and water and even sleep and just wait for her target, even her story is tragic having to use her familys and friends body to hide under.

 

and then there is the Beaty and the beast need I say more so yeah I think Kojima is a far better writer than Kishi right now after all we have this new bad ass female in the new game which we know nothing about yet but from what I can see she too is bad ass something Kishi can not do and well its Kishi I no longer care for Kishi or his work really, I still like Sakura and Naruto and the others and I always will as its not their fault its Kishi as unlike Kojima Kishi never put his soul into the manga he created.

 

MGS4's ending is literally the opposite of Naruto sold out ending. I mean everyone gets a propure  happyclosure, main characters go through an arc.

 

Coincidentally, Kojima was in similar postion with MGS4 and was sick of his own series and wanted to move onto something else. In addition, he was tired (even depressed) that his fanbase did not understand what the message (mgs2) was mostly about  (being your own man, valuing life not war and being free) who were pretty much obsessed of being an alpha action male. Unfortunately, MGS4 felt Under the standards of its series (too many cutscenes, not enough gameplay, too cheesy and over the top) but the ending was Worth it (it like the complete opposite of Naruto's sold out ending). Almost everyone gets closure and even a happy ending. Snake (kojima) feels old  and powerless but still tries to make Raiden (the player who misunderstood MGS2) understand what he tought him in this game and succeeds. Kojima was tired but never conceded defeat on what the series was mainly about (choose your own life, legacy and a peaceful life is more important than battle and video games).

 

Its funny Big boss during the epilogue wants to shake snake's hand as a sign of reconcilliation and David  actually hesitates (unlike Naruto and Sakura) to forgive Big Boss (Sasuke) for all the crap he has done to him (he effing tried to kill him despite being his dad) cause a lot of good people died or became bad because of him and the world almost fell into complete chaos. I have read that it was a way for the player to decide to decide wether we want to forgive him or not.

 

I think Paramedic alos is effing awesome for being intelligent, cute, funny and likable and doesn't hesitate to stand her ground against the males.
 

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know guys I have seen three tragedies in this year:

 

My National team  Mexico lost vs Netherlands and I still say that was not penalty in the World Cup. ( person to hate Robben)

 

Germany destroying Brazil in its own World Cup.

 

Finally NS didn't become canon.

Mine:

Brock Lesnar ended Undertaker's streak (childhood dies)

 

NY Rangers came short in the final (I want to experience total victory, but nope)

 

See the truth behind Kishi (like seeing a phony singer unveiled)

 

Yeah, the story I heard is the author did not know what to do with her so he killed her. It sucked. She didn't have many fans (I was one of the few that I knew of), but I thought she was the most interesting character in the series, especially over Lacus Sue. 

Yeah, I had a feeling things got strange in the later half with her just there and then die. What was that about? And I guess you can say if she didn't die, Kira wouldn't move on. Funny, death is the solution.

 

 

MGS4's ending is literally the opposite of Naruto sold out ending. I mean everyone gets a propure  happyclosure, main characters go through an arc.

 

Coincidentally, Kojima was in similar postion with MGS4 and was sick of his own series and wanted to move onto something else. In addition, he was tired (even depressed) that his fanbase did not understand what the message (mgs2) was mostly about  (being your own man, valuing life not war and being free) who were pretty much obsessed of being an alpha action male. Unfortunately, MGS4 felt Under the standards of its series (too many cutscenes, not enough gameplay, too cheesy and over the top) but the ending was Worth it (it like the complete opposite of Naruto's sold out ending). Almost everyone gets closure and even a happy ending. Snake (kojima) feels old  and powerless but still tries to make Raiden (the player who misunderstood MGS2) understand what he tought him in this game and succeeds. Kojima was tired but never conceded defeat on what the series was mainly about (choose your own life, legacy and a peaceful life is more important than battle and video games).

 

Its funny Big boss during the epilogue wants to shake snake's hand as a sign of reconcilliation and David  actually hesitates (unlike Naruto and Sakura) to forgive Big Boss (Sasuke) for all the crap he has done to him (he effing tried to kill him despite being his dad) cause a lot of good people died or became bad because of him and the world almost fell into complete chaos. I have read that it was a way for the player to decide to decide wether we want to forgive him or not.

 

I think Paramedic alos is effing awesome for being intelligent, cute, funny and likable and doesn't hesitate to stand her ground against the males.
 

I can't believe I prayed for Naruto's ending to be like MGS4. How gullible of me...

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

You guys know what is really sad that Kojima is a far better writer than Kishi I mean the man puts soul put into it, honestly. And then you look at the people in the game each one for eacvh game is just so well done more so with the females as Kojima makes them strong and with a story as well I mean most that are in the games are well done.

 

The Boss is just one I mean I dare anyone to say anything mean or hurt for about her her story in the Metal gear solid games is one of the best and well she is so bad ass too that many and many know of her and her skills.

 

Sniper Wolf a woman who could go days on end with out food and water and even sleep and just wait for her target, even her story is tragic having to use her familys and friends body to hide under.

 

and then there is the Beaty and the beast need I say more so yeah I think Kojima is a far better writer than Kishi right now after all we have this new bad ass female in the new game which we know nothing about yet but from what I can see she too is bad ass something Kishi can not do and well its Kishi I no longer care for Kishi or his work really, I still like Sakura and Naruto and the others and I always will as its not their fault its Kishi as unlike Kojima Kishi never put his soul into the manga he created.

Don't even start on Kojima, that men IS genius!

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Don't even start on Kojima, that men IS genius!

I placed too much hope for the worthwhile ending. So far, on top of my head, FMA succeed that.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 23 November 2014 - 04:31 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I placed too much hope for the worthwhile ending. So far, on top of my head, FMA succeed that.

FMA? What's that? And I'm waiting for MGS V it will show what's destroyed the spirirt that Boss had for so long.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Full Metal Alchemist

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Oh, ok, thank you.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

No problem

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 23 November 2014 - 05:06 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

 

Don't even start on Kojima, that men IS genius!

 

Oh I know he is far more a genius than Kishi can ever be,

 

 

MGS4's ending is literally the opposite of Naruto sold out ending. I mean everyone gets a propure  happyclosure, main characters go through an arc.

 

Coincidentally, Kojima was in similar postion with MGS4 and was sick of his own series and wanted to move onto something else. In addition, he was tired (even depressed) that his fanbase did not understand what the message (mgs2) was mostly about  (being your own man, valuing life not war and being free) who were pretty much obsessed of being an alpha action male. Unfortunately, MGS4 felt Under the standards of its series (too many cutscenes, not enough gameplay, too cheesy and over the top) but the ending was Worth it (it like the complete opposite of Naruto's sold out ending). Almost everyone gets closure and even a happy ending. Snake (kojima) feels old  and powerless but still tries to make Raiden (the player who misunderstood MGS2) understand what he tought him in this game and succeeds. Kojima was tired but never conceded defeat on what the series was mainly about (choose your own life, legacy and a peaceful life is more important than battle and video games).

 

Its funny Big boss during the epilogue wants to shake snake's hand as a sign of reconcilliation and David  actually hesitates (unlike Naruto and Sakura) to forgive Big Boss (Sasuke) for all the crap he has done to him (he effing tried to kill him despite being his dad) cause a lot of good people died or became bad because of him and the world almost fell into complete chaos. I have read that it was a way for the player to decide to decide wether we want to forgive him or not.

 

I think Paramedic alos is effing awesome for being intelligent, cute, funny and likable and doesn't hesitate to stand her ground against the males.
 

Oh true but that has not stopped him from making two new games with MGS 5 which is how big boss fell to the darkness which is what this new game will tell us and unlike Kishi it makes sense as well as why he wants pay back to the ones that hurt him as well, hell in mgs 4 Zero was killed, so yeah like you Said its ending is and always will be better than Naruto's ending.

 

Oh she is gotta love Paramedic she is so funny as well just like you said another Kishi can't do.

Edited by TheFirstEvil100, 23 November 2014 - 05:15 PM.

[Xan]

So I just got my self in a situation that I felt nauseated and I immediatily tried to focus my attention else where instead of the feeling, and all I could think about is my hatred for how naruto has ended kishi and SP and my mind was cleared and everything back to normal go figure

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Precisely. NH was probably decided much later than he planned it to be, but he's not going to say the truth if it makes NH look bad, now will he?

 

Definitely, I don't buy the "NH was planned a long time ago." It's simply not there, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto's just trying to save face.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

So I just got my self in a situation that I felt nauseated and I immediatily tried to focus my attention else where instead of the feeling, and all I could think about is my hatred for how naruto has ended kishi and SP and my mind was cleared and everything back to normal go figure

Sounds like Sasuke...

[Tiller]

Sounds like Sasuke...

Kishimoto would like him if that's the case.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

Definitely, I don't buy the "NH was planned a long time ago." It's simply not there, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto's just trying to save face.

This is the only thing that makes any sense about the reasoning for this ending, period. 

To sit there and say "I decided it a long time ago." yet 50 some chapters ago we were still getting NS  and anti SS is complete and utter BS. 



 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

This is the only thing that makes any sense about the reasoning for this ending, period. 

To sit there and say "I decided it a long time ago." yet 50 some chapters ago we were still getting NS  and anti SS is complete and utter BS. 

 

Damn straight. Those of us who have REALLY questioned his actions of late, we can tell it's likely he caved into popular demand rather than to just do what he was showing. 

There's a fitting trope for this BS that a friend of mine named Erin did when she ranted on why Sorato in Digimon Adventure 02 doesn't work, shouldn't have happened, and was bad, clumsy writing, which fits so well into this scenario with NaruHina right now; http://tvtropes.org/...dByTheRedString

 

She also had it best for that same topic which can apply to the ending of Naruto with sudden NaruHina and SasuSaku. Hang on, lemme post what she said on that kind of thing.

 

There is a saying that goes, "Show, Don't Tell" and "Actions Speak Louder Than Words"...Sorato did neither of these things.  Just a couple they threw in our faces and expected us to take it at face value, when they had nothing to show for it to the audience that we should take this couple seriously.  You can't just throw people together and ASSUME everyone will agree with it.  For ANY relationship to be believed by an audience of your story (and I mean any relationship-not just the romantic ones), you have to show the characters interacting together-showing them grow together, showing them be influenced by each other, positive or negative.  With Sorato...we pretty much got neither...just two random names they pulled out of a hat and decided to make them an endgame despite the fact they barely interacted, grown together or influenced each other.

 

Just replace Sorato with NaruHina, and there ya go! In all honesty, that's what it feels like Kishimoto-sensei did with so many of the couples in the end of the manga, which is why several of us are mad besides how it feels like he just took a dump on all the development he spent 15 years working on for everyone just to say "kitten it, I'm done!" or something like that.

[Akashi]

^ don't add -sensei to that loser's name... he's not worthy. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

^ don't add -sensei to that loser's name... he's not worthy. 

 

Just being respectful. May not like what he did with Chapters 699 and 700, but he still did do well with 1 to 698 at least. X-D

[hinataiscreepy]

Oh I know he is far more a genius than Kishi can ever be,

 

Oh true but that has not stopped him from making two new games with MGS 5 which is how big boss fell to the darkness which is what this new game will tell us and unlike Kishi it makes sense as well as why he wants pay back to the ones that hurt him as well, hell in mgs 4 Zero was killed, so yeah like you Said its ending is and always will be better than Naruto's ending.

 

Oh she is gotta love Paramedic she is so funny as well just like you said another Kishi can't do.

 

Kojima is effing Genius. The guy literally predicted in every possible way how the internet and america would turn out and shape our current world. Even Nanomachines (it hilariously became an internet mem) are becoming a priceless commodity in the future of medcine and military.

 

I wanted him to stop at 4 (hopefully Silent hills will liberate him to start new series). At least, Peace Walker and 5 are consistent with what the series is about.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

The argument that Sasuke is his first bond is flawed if you think about it.  Technically, Iruka was his first bond ever.  Sasuke isn't even second, because Naruto established a bond with Konohamaru second.  If you be more specific, Sasuke was his "first bond with someone close to his age", and even then, Sasuke was not the only one, because Sakura was a part of team 7 too, and they all got to know each other because they were part of the same team.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 23 November 2014 - 08:02 PM.