Wow, a lot of my day was eaten up. O.O I meant to respond to that NaruHina post earlier but I got so busy. xD Hope any of you don't mind if I respond now, I know a lot of you are talking about other topics.
Bad timing lol!
Okay then. Let's start one of my LAPs that are often full of win.
Not to sound arrogant. xD This is my longest one yet, unfortunately. I'm very sorry everyone! I don't really have a limit for my posts. I promise next time I'll make it shorter.
Actually, Naruto's love for Sakura is still present realistically. The last confirmation of his feelings was during though Kage Summit, first by Sai and then by Naruto himself during her confession. Noted it was indirectly but it was fairly obvious he still loved her through his reaction to the entire thing. Naruto's expression was originally a shocked type of happy, blushing and everything. But the important thing was that when Sakura asked him angrily if he still liked her, Naruto completely avoided it. This is crucial because Naruto can be very blunt and he believed 100% that she did not love him so he wouldn't be worrying about hurting her feelings and would straight-up
say he no longer felt that way. That's just his personality. Some might argue it's invalid because Sakura hurt Naruto by lying or that too many chapters have passed but both those arguments fail because a). Naruto is very forgiving. Sasuke has hurt him far worse and he still loves him. This is an even more questionable anti-argument when Sai told him she was only
thinking of him. Naruto dropping his romantic feelings? Plz. b). The "It's been over 100 chapters!" fails miserably and is probably one of the worst. We think in their time, not ours. Only two or three weeks passed since the confession. Tell me: Is that enough time to fall out of love with someone? Of course not! It's even worse since Naruto has trouble letting go of important bonds like that. With Sasuke, despite everything, he still views him as brother. So I have reason to believe that, despite everything, Naruto still loves Sakura with all his heart. The question should not whether or not he still loves Sakura, we already know this if you read neutrally. The
real question is if he's developing feelings for Hinata. Realistically, if he is for some reason, then Kishi's just creating another triangle. That's the only way to put it.
Lol, before claiming something, this person should double-check to make sure the source is fullproof. Databook 3 actually reveals to us
two interesting pieces of information related to Sasuke and Naruto. There was an added relationship chart with it that had an arrow pointing to Sakura to Sasuke with the caption "
in love with". As for Naruto, the caption just says worries for him. However, this was released with the Sakura's character profile that explained her own feelings for Naruto are a mystery. Given how not much time passed since then, she probably still feels this way. Loves Sasuke, but is confused over Naruto.
When she said she loves someone, she was referring to Sasuke. But why on earth would Naruto show up in 540 when she's still completely confused over if she loves him or not? It's out of place. She doesn't know if she loves him so she wouldn't think of him in this. And if she did, then it means NS will be canon. Sasuke's gone, Naruto's here. Really not that hard to figure out. Sasuke wouldn't have a hope in hell to put it bluntly. Also, I'm sure this is because Kishi is playing with the ambiguity concept. Before the Kage Summit, NS was getting too obvious. Because Kishi's a troll who likes to build suspense, he throws a wrench in proverbial pairing fire. It's just like the Tobito thing, seriously it's the same. And it's getting towards the ending, so he wants to keep readers guessing. Not enough to destroy NS, but enough to question his motives. Dat Kishi and his predictable patterns.
This person sure about that? Why Sakura was depressed in 540, I believe it's both. She's sad at what he's become but she's equally as upset that she still loves someone like Sasuke. The ashamed argument is not BS, it's practically confirmed in the Kage Summit. Sakura tries to logic herself into how terrible a person Sasuke is and that's why she shouldn't love him, but it's hard to really feel like this when she
just recovered from her semi-wake up call about him being in the Akatsuki and now an international criminal. Sakura states it herself: "
I don't know why I liked someone like that ... he's a rogue shinobi. A criminal! [...] "All Sasuke does is get further away from me and break my heart." -->Does this sound like someone who wants to still be in love with Sasuke? This is solid, especially the 2nd verse when she sounded particularly pained. Then Sasuke tries to kill her ... twice. Pretty sure any sane person would not want to love someone like that and I'm pretty sure Sakura's sane so.
This is supported even more when she now sees the Sasuke in darkness, not the good Sasuke she knew. Her idealistic image is shattered completely now, but she's still struggling to fully remove her love. So yeah, she's ashamed. Why does this matter, this person asks? Well, being ashamed and hating the way you feel over someone means you want to move on and get over it. She already tried this during the Summit Arc. This is why I see 540 as the second to last stake in the SS coffin. It foreshadows Sakura overcoming her major weakness (Sasuke. He always has been), having her development come full circle, and falling in love with someone else who treats her right.
"He must be a great guy if you love him!" --> Naruto Uzumaki everyone, the guy who's her best friend and the one she's been developing feelings for all along. Kishi's not that hard to figure out sometimes, y'know. xD
What this NH fan is talking about is the "pairing wrench in pairing fire" scenerio. Quite obviously, the confession. It seems anti, but it's actually very pro for a number of reasons if you analyze a little bit instead of accepting everything at face value IMO. Correction: Sakura didn't get rejected, her confession did. For Naruto to reject her or "friendzone" her you could say, he would've said this: "I don't like/love you anymore, Sakura! So enough of this! I don't get what you're trying to do here." Instead, his feelings were very clear. He was angry, upset, and confused but he still wanted Sakura to love him. He just wouldn't accept a lie, it's not much of a balance or very fulfilling for him. Ironically, it just showcased indirectly how much more serious he takes his love for her than he did in Part 1. It matured, not diminished. Lol, troll? What right does a NH fan have to call the confession a "troll" when their own pairing has been trolled many times over, more recently 616? The irony of that sentence, I'm sorry.
Maybe because it
was for Naruto's well-being. But I'll get to that later.
Underestimate? Again, does he/she really not see the double standard? Look at half their ship. Hinata never believes in his abilities, she usually goes all overprotective/worrying over the slightest things. Naruto vs. Kiba: Naruto-kuning in worry the entire time, not even believing she had the chance. Ironically, Sakura
did. Mini Tobito vs. Naruto (One hit): Hinata loses focus and freaks out. Sakura wasn't phased and scolded her, saying
"Stay focused Hinata! Naruto doesn't go down that easy." Naruto vs. Pain: Hinata guessed he would lose before even whipping out her Byakugan. Sakura believed in him and his abilities the entire time, even calling his name to come and save them. Following this pattern, it would seem like the one who underesitmates him more is Hinata. I don't think that's very flattering for a future wife of Naruto. :/
True, Sakura
can underestimate him. I'd say the confession was only underestimating him to an extent. She knows what he can handle and what he can't handle; that's because she knows him well. She knew Sasuke being eliminated by the K11 would
kill him so she was protecting him from that kind of pain. Sakura's expectations of Naruto are more realistic. Turns out she was right about this when Naruto hypervenilated from the pressure and stress of possibly killing Sasuke. That alone proves Sakura wasn't that far off in her reasoning.
For someone who apparently doesn't blame Sakura for her confession, he/she certainly seems that way.
Um ... what? Sai knew he was wrong? He didn't seem that way to me, he still believed what he said was the truth. Sai just felt regret for telling her the truth because he knew that it was what lead up to all of this. He blames himself for it and realized it IHO would've been better if he said nothing at all. Not really. The only person who expressed it being portrayed as a lie entirely was Naruto; his denseness and PoaL Wall are what he carries so he's not solid proof. Sai apparently disagrees with the NH fan as well:
"She thought she would lessen your burden by coming here and confessing her love for you." He's implying she loves Naruto, but loves Sasuke too (based on Naruto's words). Not that this means much, it's just another 3rd party, not Sakura herself but it does denote the fact that everyone saw it as a lie.
And ... how did Sakura confirm indirectly she was lying? He/She is taking her entire anger state out of context.
Correct, she did say that but I fail to see how this confirms she was lying. As soon as Naruto said she was lying and he hated people like that, she immediately got furious. Too furious for someone who was lying. We know Sakura. If she
knew she was lying about loving Naruto, she would have looked guilty the minute he said that. She's caring like that. But there is a noticable absence of guilt here. Instead, she responds and defends her feelings, hotly telling him many things that could support she was telling the truth about how she felt. Let's look at the complete dialogue, not omitted with bias shall we?
"Just?! You think it's easy for a girl to come her to confess her feelings?! *slaps his hands roughly off her shoulders*
"I'm the only one who knows what I'm feeling! If you don't like me, then just say so! Don't you dare make excuses ...!"--> Does this sound like a girl who doesn't love him? I still believe she was confused here, but her anger does support unconscious feelings of love for him. It also supports that she didn't like Naruto acting like he was so right about how she felt for him when she hasn't even figured it out yet. Sakura did not come there, knowing she didn't love him. She came there, still blind over what she felt for him.
Sakura was still defending what she felt for him, she was just enforcing it with how she wanted to protect him and get him to think more about himself than others. This was purely for Naruto's sake, she was getting nothing out of it other than his safety. That's why she was thinking about Naruto. Does he/she
really believe Naruto hating her forever would not be terribly painful and heartbreaking for her? He's her best friend, she'd be losing his friendship (which she cherishes and values greatly) and be alone. That has got to hurt, especially considering how strong her attachment and feelings for him are. She put Naruto and Sasuke on a set of scales: Which is more important, allowing Naruto to continue his crusade to bring Sasuke back and possibly kill himself doing so or have Sasuke killed so Naruto would surivive. To Sakura, it was Naruto and his safety. She was willing to bear his anger because it didn't matter to her as much as if he was alive. So no, she did not choose Sasuke over Naruto. Quite the opposite, her motives say it all.
I beg to differ. That flashback was there for a reason, not to completely erase a future Naruto confession. Notice the main character is the only one who has not told the person he loves how he feels. It's very obvious it's Naruto's turn at some point, just not now. Positive? Actually it did in a roundabout way. Sai's little confession proved a few things that support NS: 1). Sakura values Naruto's feelings and welfare above Sasuke and her own love for him, showing that she loves him more than Sasuke. Doesn't matter if it's platonic or romantic, it's still true. 2). Naruto takes his feelings seriously. 3). Sakura's willing to give him a chance in a relationship, even though she's confused. 4). NS can argue like a real couple and Naruto is not an entire doormat. 4). Sai thinks Sakura may love Naruto. 5). Sakura would rather love Naruto than Sasuke. Doesn't seem that anti anymore, now does it?
Again, this argument is flawed. Naruto never told her the promise is off, he just explained that's not the only reason why he wants to save Sasuke. It's for his own sake as well, something Sakura knew he would say. It's also something all of us already knew, so what's this NH's point?
Uh ... Sai was entirely wrong? Not at all, he was almost 100% accurate. Let's recap. Naruto loves Sakura; true. The promise motivates him to go beyond the limits more so than if it was just for himself because he wants Sakura happy; true. The promise and Sakura's love for Sasuke in general creates angst and strain on him; true. Sasuke hurts him; double true. What exactly is off in this? For someone who is socially awkward, he was hauntingly accurate in this. Nothing false here.
Naruto would like to confess his feelings for her someday when he feels he has the right to, but what makes it selfless is that he doesn't expect anything from it. He doesn't think she'll fall in love with him or intends to force his feelings on her. He is
still putting Sakura's happiness before his. What he wants to see is if Sasuke comes back, will Sakura truly go back to the way she was? He doesn't want to be 2nd and if he tells her he loves her now, he'll feel like he is. This isn't selfish, not if he doesn't expect anything. To Naruto, she will always love Sasuke. But he can bear it because he'd rather have her happy then himself. That's why his love is the most selfless and pure out of the Big 3. SS & NH got nothing on Naruto.
Then apparently Naruto as a character doesn't make sense to he/she. Lol, okay.
Sakura was never his goal, true. But that still doesn't change the fact that giving up on her and instead going to the easy, less challenging route would be a betrayal to his entire character. Hinata is the easy way out, Sakura is the challenge that you have to work for. How does this not only follow his characterization to a T, but the story theme as well? Naruto never gets anything nor likes having things handed to him. It loses it's value and sense of accomplisment to him. He's all about "never giving up." Since when has a stable Naruto on normal circumstances given up on anything? Why is Sakura a different matter, when she's increasingly closer to being in his reach and her love for Sasuke has not erased his feelings in the past? It
is practically his nindo, his determination and refusal to give up is a large part of his characterization. And I already see two double standards in this post, let me point them out:
"Sakura moving on from someone who doesn't love her and discovering that there was always somewhere there who you can grow to love like Naruto is good progression. Life is good. She should enjoy it." And here's another one. The NH fan argues Naruto never goes back on his word yet claims the promise was trashed. If he gave up on fulfilling the promise, he would be going back on his word, a betrayal of his nindo.
What does Hinata having the same nindo have to do with anything? Naruto's feelings matter, not if they share the same nindo. Does not help NaruHina at all, there's no point in arguing that.
That is
such a bold statement: NaruSaku has had it's resolution, it's dead now. And it's very naive to jump that conclusion, it's only going to hurt more when he/she is likely proven wrong on this. See, the Kage Summit is far from the resolution. Naruto claimed she was lying, but Sakura protested. Sakura thinks of him in 540, but has not figured out her own feelings for Naruto. How is this a resolution? If anything, it's just one step closer to the climax to NS and
then the resolution. The Kage Summit has more questions than answers, it needs to be brought up again for there to even be any form of resolution, positive or negative. And as for NH, I think he's closer to her but there's no indication he has romantic feelings for her. Still seems entirely platonic through and through. All I'm seeing his Hinata development as a side character and then more side characters being developed. NH development? Maybe friendship but she's IMO going to fade into the background again soon enough and Naruto's not going to treat her any differently or mention her much; worse for the NHers if his love for Sakura is reaffirmed. I'd brace myself fo this probable possibility. SS got negative one-sided focus, NH got one-sided focus.
Well, some NH fans consider Hinata saying "Let's do our best!" and Naruto saying "Yeah!" as a "moment" so I don't see why we can't count NaruSaku talking to each other.
Lol, kidding. We don't need to, they talk on a regular basis. Um ... Naruto never said "HELL YEAH!".
He actually ignored Hinata's question which is why Kiba teased him about acting tough. And then Naruto was again general, not showing much of a reaction that he took the comment to heart. He didn't even get embarrassed by it, like he would if someone said that about Sakura.
Kushina's teasing NS comment in RtN says hello.
Yeah, another pep talk. Real romantic. /sarcasm He didn't even have any flirty or romantic vibe there, it was just Naruto being a friend/coach to Hinata's confidence level. And the "it's all in your eyes" was a figure of speech, not literal. He was just encouraging her, like he does to many of his friends. No romance here. Does this person wonder why NS are being separated since the confession? Doesn't that seem "odd"? Given how Sakura still hasn't sorted out her feelings, it only means something big in store for NS. The side characters are getting in spotlight for development and a final showdown so obviously Hinata's has to involve Naruto. He still doesn't show much feelings for her outside of friendship so I really don't see the big deal.
Funny. I burst out laughing at the obvious NH troll in 616, no joke.
That was so ironic and hilarious. xD It's because it probably was, just not for NH development. Hinata's character needed work so make her do things is pretty much what I'm seeing so far. It's the "arc of the side characters" after all. The Pain moment ended in disaster and made things worse, Naruto hasn't reflected on her confession much so far. The cheering up moment wasn't crucial, it was never brought up again and Naruto still liked Sakura. And finally, Hinata didn't fully convince him, Kurama did. She was just involved for forced development and to enforce it, given her connection to Neji. Where was Hinata when Jiraiya died? Where was Hinata when he lost Sasuke? Where was Hinata when he realized the Akatsuki was after his tailed beast? Where was Hinata when Naruto saw Obito's speech about Sasuke? Sorry, she was
hardly in his most crucial and important moments, she barely knows him and what he goes through.
Damn this is ridiculously long, I can't even believe this post length. O.O I just kept in typing my thoughts and then
this happened. Really gotta stop with these insane lengths, it's really too much.
I hope you guys enjoy my points anyway, though!
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