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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Here's the thing:

Kakashi has Obito's sharingan eye. Obito wasn't dead. Kakashi killed Rin with Obito's eye still in use. What if the eye only address to the original owner, not anyone who owns. Pretty much, even if Kakashi kills Rin like a foe, the eye will still get the effect because Obito's love was Rin and he's still alive. It's hard to say. Funny, if Sasuke wants the special eye, wouldn't he just go for Sakura? In fact, he even said it himself that Naruto is the closest person to him, so I guess that negates the ideal of love, wouldn't it?

Agreed.


Obito saw though his other sharingan Rin dying, Rin is most important person to Obito, and Kakashi like i said he cared about her but not at the extent of becoming evil in other words she wasnt important to Kakashi, she reached that level when he made the promise to protect her and he rejected Rin because he didnt loved her, it's shown even Kakashi having a bond with Obito way before all that stuff.

You need to kill a friend to awake the mangekyou it does not need ot be your love or your brother or whatever a simple friend is enough.

















Nice how Yahiko parallels Naruto

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 March 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Slightly off-topic,

We all believe to a certain extent that Sakura did the confession for Naruto's sake. However Sai says that her love for Sasuke is so great that she want's to kill him so that she doesn't see him go any more evil. Many of you argue that Sakura is doing this for Naruto but in all honesty i think its exactly as it says on the tin. She loves sasuke too much that she want to end his evil ways for herself more so then for naruto.

What i'm saying is harsh but i still feel at that point in time she was desperatly trying to remove any images of Sasuke being evil by killing him and stopping him from doing anything that could tarnish her image of Sasuke.

When it came to whether or not she loves Naruto at the confession i have to say that she didn't. She has feelings for him (developing) but those feelings were a confusion to her. In honesty i feel they still are even at 615, due to no Sakura development since Naruto and Sasuke last met.

sounds wierd but i hope you follow what i'm trying to say.

I'm well aware of the conversation Sakura has with Sai before this but even still i'm not too convinced.

Thoughts?

Edited by HauntedCake, 11 March 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[Dkey]

Slightly off-topic,

We all believe to a certain extent that Sakura did the confession for Naruto's sake. However Sai says that her love for Sasuke is so great that she want's to kill him so that she doesn't see him go any more evil. Many of you argue that Sakura is doing this for Naruto but in all honesty i think its exactly as it says on the tin. She loves sasuke too much that she want to end his evil ways for herself more so then for naruto.

What i'm saying is harsh but i still feel at that point in time she was desperatly trying to remove any images of Sasuke being evil by killing him and stopping him from doing anything that could tarnish her image of Sasuke.

When it came to whether or not she loves Naruto at the confession i have to say that she didn't. She has feelings for him (developing) but those feelings were a confusion to her. In honesty i feel they still are even at 615, due to no Sakura development since Naruto and Sasuke last met.

sounds wierd but i hope you follow what i'm trying to say.

I'm well aware of the conversation Sakura has with Sai before this but even still i'm not too convinced.

Thoughts?

Problem is we don't really know anything.

We have Sakura's confession to both Naruto and Sasuke, we've seen what she was planning with said confessions but apart from saying that she believes in both of them we don't really know her feelings so we speculate. Now even more than ever because she was sidelined until Naruto defeats the Juubi, and of course after Sasuke finishes questioning the Hokages.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Slightly off-topic,

We all believe to a certain extent that Sakura did the confession for Naruto's sake. However Sai says that her love for Sasuke is so great that she want's to kill him so that she doesn't see him go any more evil. Many of you argue that Sakura is doing this for Naruto but in all honesty i think its exactly as it says on the tin. She loves sasuke too much that she want to end his evil ways for herself more so then for naruto.

What i'm saying is harsh but i still feel at that point in time she was desperatly trying to remove any images of Sasuke being evil by killing him and stopping him from doing anything that could tarnish her image of Sasuke.

When it came to whether or not she loves Naruto at the confession i have to say that she didn't. She has feelings for him (developing) but those feelings were a confusion to her. In honesty i feel they still are even at 615, due to no Sakura development since Naruto and Sasuke last met.

sounds wierd but i hope you follow what i'm trying to say.

I'm well aware of the conversation Sakura has with Sai before this but even still i'm not too convinced.

Thoughts?

If I remember correctly, Sakura's intention was never to go and hunt Sasuke herself. The point is that she went there to stop Naruto and make him return home without letting him know that everyone is out to kill right-a-way. Naruto stays behind, so she made a new plan, to kill Sasuke. Sai was there to let Naruto know that she went there because she wants him to no longer pursue Sasuke, especially since everyone is against Naruto's hope. Sakura wanted him to no longer go too far. Naruto believed that Sakura will never kill Sasuke because she loves him, but Sai pretty much counter it by saying that doesn't mean you don't want to kill him. Sai made an excuse for him for her strength to kill Sasuke. The major part of it is to have Sakura being the one who Naruto would forever blame and hate, which to me, that's insane decision.

Do I think Sakura really loves Naruto at that point or even now? It's truly hard to say but I do believe NS is going to be the endgame as too many developments/hints suggested it. It's hard to backdown from it or rather, impossible now. Sakura is about learning the reality and so, Kishi has now entered the romance side of Sakura, because we are nearing end. That's why in the previous arcs, we get no love mention from her until now.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If I remember correctly, Sakura's intention was never to go and hunt Sasuke herself. The point is that she went there to stop Naruto and make him return home without letting him know that everyone is out to kill right-a-way. Naruto stays behind, so she made a new plan, to kill Sasuke. Sai was there to let Naruto know that she went there because she wants him to no longer pursue Sasuke, especially since everyone is against Naruto's hope. Sakura wanted him to no longer go too far. Naruto believed that Sakura will never kill Sasuke because she loves him, but Sai pretty much counter it by saying that doesn't mean you don't want to kill him. Sai made an excuse for him for her strength to kill Sasuke. The major part of it is to have Sakura being the one who Naruto would forever blame and hate, which to me, that's insane decision.

Do I think Sakura really loves Naruto at that point or even now? It's truly hard to say but I do believe NS is going to be the endgame as too many developments/hints suggested it. It's hard to backdown from it or rather, impossible now. Sakura is about learning the reality and so, Kishi has now entered the romance side of Sakura, because we are nearing end. That's why in the previous arcs, we get no love mention from her until now.

About intentions the confession is contraditory even Yamato is wrong Sai is wrong.
Because if her intentions were on the first place to kill Sasuke first she would not make the confess surprising everyone.
Kiba knew that they were going there but they were not going to tell Naruto what happened which makes me wonder, if they didnt go to Naruto's place to tell him about their decision and neither to confess then why go to his place aswell?
If we take the route that she planned everything all along, why Sakura asked Kiba and the others to look for Sasuke to kill him? if this was planned why she asked it at first place?

I believe that she didnt planned to kill Sasuke, i believe she only planned to make the confession only.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 March 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About intentions the confession is contraditory even Yamato is wrong Sai is wrong.
Because if her intentions were on the first place to kill Sasuke first she would not make the confess surprising everyone.
Kiba knew that they were going there but they were not going to tell Naruto what happened which makes me wonder, if they didnt go to Naruto's place to tell him about their decision and neither to confess then why go to his place aswell?
If we take the route that she planned everything all along, why Sakura asked Kiba and the others to look for Sasuke to kill him? if this was planned why she asked it at first place?

I believe that she didnt planned to kill Sasuke, i believe she only planned to make the confession only.

Her plan was to bring Naruto home and whatever happens to Sasuke happens.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Her plan was to bring Naruto home and whatever happens to Sasuke happens.

"Her plan was to bring Naruto home and whatever happens to Sasuke happens."
- > Why yamato said "so she knew Naruto would reject, she was planning to kill Sasuke all along"
poison that cant instant kill.

"Her plan was to kill Sasuke all along"
- > why do the confession and ask Kiba to start looking for Sasuke and make a promise to everyone that they would do it together.

"Nothing planned"
- > Confession.

"She was doing it for Sasuke, she loves him too much that does not want to see him further more into darkness"
- > planned to did a confession for Naruto at first place if she did wanted to kill him to not see him into darkness why planed to be with Naruto and let the others deal with him.
When she arrrives she says that Sasuke is not the same anymore, wait didnt she knew that he was into the darkness?

"planned to kill him"
-> Didnt made the decision to kill him, only on the second chance.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 March 2013 - 11:36 PM.

[Qia]

The part about her going after Sasuke is obviously just a plan B if she wasn't able to bring Naruto back with her. If it had worked, then there was no way she could just say "yea Naruto hold on for a sec k" and go kill Sasuke. Yea, it was planned all along, but if the first part of her plan worked then the 2nd part wouldn't be needed because Naruto would be safe and Sasuke and her would no longer be a burden. (The promise would not be kept, so the pain she was causing would be gone).

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

What I want to know is how Sai became so all-knowing when he explained to Naruto her motivations. He seemed incredibly sure of what he was saying the entire time. What I want to ask is ... how does Sai know all of this? Why is able to get inside Sakura's head better than even Naruto? And then he states she loves Sasuke so much, she can't see him sink any further in evil. Where did he get this conclusion? Did Sakura tell him or something, how can he say all of this so matter-of-factly?

Trying to pick apart Sai's words and Sakura's confesssion is so obscure/confusing, it's sometimes mentally exhausting.

[Qia]

What I want to know is how Sai became so all-knowing when he explained to Naruto her motivations. He seemed incredibly sure of what he was saying the entire time. What I want to ask is ... how does Sai know all of this? Why is able to get inside Sakura's head better than even Naruto? And then he states she loves Sasuke so much, she can't see him sink any further in evil. Where did he get this conclusion? Did Sakura tell him or something, how can he say all of this so matter-of-factly?

Trying to pick apart Sai's words and Sakura's confesssion is so obscure/confusing, it's sometimes mentally exhausting.

Well, he's basing this off what he (Sai)had told Sakura before: that she, because of the promise, and Sasuke were causing him pain. And then the rest was guess work to me, since Naruto was basically in disbelief because he knows that Sakura loves Sasuke very much. Sai basically went off of that after =/. At least that's how I read the chapter. xD.

[Tsubaki]

Just bringing a different view of Sakura's confession write by a NH/SS shipper that I reading a while ago...

"Sakura's plan was to stay with Naruto meaning that she was giving up of the chance to be with Sasuke again one day while leaving Sasuke alive wherever he was, in short she was giving up of her own happiness to be with Naruto and making him happy because he loves her even though she didn't love him back while leaving sasuke alive.. "Saving" the lives of Sasuke and Naruto. If her confession didn't work .. she had a plan B: kill Sasuke, which means that even If she was putting Naruto well being in first there, it wasn't because she loves him but because she felt guilty because of the promise and wanted him to be safe. She just love him as friend but she was willing to be with him to make him happy."

More or less like that .. I don't remember where I read it so I could not go there and and copy the original post.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Just bringing a different view of Sakura's confession write by a NH/SS shipper that I reading a while ago...

"Sakura's plan was to stay with Naruto meaning that she was giving up of the chance to be with Sasuke again one day while leaving Sasuke alive wherever he was, in short she was giving up of her own happiness to be with Naruto and making him happy because he loves her even though she didn't love him back while leaving sasuke alive.. "Saving" the lives of Sasuke and Naruto. If her confession didn't work .. she had a plan B: kill Sasuke, which means that even If she was putting Naruto well being in first there, it wasn't because she loves him but because she felt guilty because of the promise and wanted him to be safe. She just love him as friend but she was willing to be with him to make him happy."

More or less like that .. I don't remember where I read it so I could not go there and and copy the original post.

I mostly agree with this, other than the "not loving Naruto" part. Sure, she was guilty but what's important is that she still put him before Sasuke, that's not something to take lightly. Her entire concern was Naruto, not Sasuke. She was willing Naruto hating her if it meant his burden was released and he was safe in the Plan B option (which she predicted would happen anyway, given Naruto's stubbornness). The fact that Sakura was willing to do this shows insane levels of dedication and selflessness, it proved that Naruto is more important to her than Sasuke is. Whether her feelings or romantic or not, she does love Naruto more than she loves Sasuke.

The thing about Sakura is ... no matter the situation, I cannot picture her to lie about loving Naruto. Desperate as she was during the confession, she must know that would've done much harm than good to Naruto. She knows he loves her and if he god forbid accepted her confession, she's practically living a lie with him. If it drags on, all that will happen in the end is that it would only break his heart, much more than the promise. Given how Sakura already feels guilty enough hurting him because of the promise and feelings for Sasuke, she would never do such a thing. Lying about loving someone to someone who loves you is worse than telling the truth.

But if she was still confused over her own feelings ... I can see her doing it. It's not as terrible as not loving him at all and she thinks that she might love him. She wants to, but she's not exactly sure yet. I bet she expected some sort of clarity the more she spent time with Naruto if he accepted the relationship option. However, it seems like Sakura knew it was not as likely as Plan B.

"Loving him as a friend"? Possible, but not likely IMO. Many things like the Hug, Yamato's unfinished sentence, Tenchi Bridge, Feeding scene, and Databook contradict that assumption pretty heavily.

[Qia]

Just bringing a different view of Sakura's confession write by a NH/SS shipper that I reading a while ago...

"Sakura's plan was to stay with Naruto meaning that she was giving up of the chance to be with Sasuke again one day while leaving Sasuke alive wherever he was, in short she was giving up of her own happiness to be with Naruto and making him happy because he loves her even though she didn't love him back while leaving sasuke alive.. "Saving" the lives of Sasuke and Naruto. If her confession didn't work .. she had a plan B: kill Sasuke, which means that even If she was putting Naruto well being in first there, it wasn't because she loves him but because she felt guilty because of the promise and wanted him to be safe. She just love him as friend but she was willing to be with him to make him happy."

More or less like that .. I don't remember where I read it so I could not go there and and copy the original post.

This is actually a pretty logical way to view things. The only two problems I have with this view are: 1. The scene with Sakura's thoughts after Naruto rescues her (and after Sasuke leaves, I think). No where does it mention that Naruto restored her hope in being with Sasuke again. Instead, it was only about having Team 7 smiling again. That's what she would be giving up on. What Sakura did, to me, had nothing to do with her giving up her happiness in terms of being with Sasuke. In fact, that way of viewing the confession makes it more selfish than selfless, since she would be practically lying to him. At least if she knows that she has some type of feelings for Naruto then it wouldn't be a complete lie. The only problem I can think of with Naruto accepting her confession then is that it makes it seem like Naruto's second best since, if Sasuke had stayed and had remained good, then she might not have given him a chance like that to begin with.

And then 2. No where does it state that Sakura only sees Naruto as a friend. Not even she confirms this after her confession didn't work or after Sasuke had left. She was given perfect chances to, as well.

But that's all really.

Edited by Qia, 12 March 2013 - 03:15 AM.

[redragon88]

Just bringing a different view of Sakura's confession write by a NH/SS shipper that I reading a while ago...

"Sakura's plan was to stay with Naruto meaning that she was giving up of the chance to be with Sasuke again one day while leaving Sasuke alive wherever he was, in short she was giving up of her own happiness to be with Naruto and making him happy because he loves her even though she didn't love him back while leaving sasuke alive.. "Saving" the lives of Sasuke and Naruto. If her confession didn't work .. she had a plan B: kill Sasuke, which means that even If she was putting Naruto well being in first there, it wasn't because she loves him but because she felt guilty because of the promise and wanted him to be safe. She just love him as friend but she was willing to be with him to make him happy."

More or less like that .. I don't remember where I read it so I could not go there and and copy the original post.

It's a nice theory. My only disagreement is that if Naruto was just a mere friend I don't think she would go that far for him. Naruto is very special to her even if she still doesn't love him yet. He's definitely way more then just some friend.

You don't willingly propose to be together with someone that is just a friend. I don't think Sakura would be capable of proposing that to anyone other than Naruto. Otherwise she could've just stated that she wanted Naruto safe and that rescuing Sasuke wasn't worth seeing Naruto get in danger. A confession wouldn't have been necessary. That's what many people miss about the whole ordeal.

[bthug]

Hey just in case you guys are wondering Im not dead or in self loathing, I've gotten over my Obsession with Narusaku. Don't get me wrong I still love em and want it to happen, I just at ease because I know it will happen...Believe it!

[Tsubaki]

I think the big mistake that people make when it comes to SS / NS is thinking that Sasuke is the main character instead of Naruto.


The majority of people see things like this:

Naruto: Sasuke's best friend>>>> Sasuke <<<< Sakura: Sasuke's love interest


When things actually are:

Sasuke: Naruto's best friend>>>> Naruto<<<< Sakura: Naruto's love interest


Sasuke may be the focal character (IMO) but he's not the main one, It's that wrong view people have about Sasuke that make them think that in the end he will be the one who will have his friend back and get the girl.

[Dkey]

After reading your posts, I realized that it was better that Naruto rejected her because if they did got together it would have been a disaster

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the big mistake that people make when it comes to SS / NS is thinking that Sasuke is the main character instead of Naruto.


The majority of people see things like this:

Naruto: Sasuke's best friend>>>> Sasuke <<<< Sakura: Sasuke's love interest


When things actually are:

Sasuke: Naruto's best friend>>>> Naruto<<<< Sakura: Naruto's love interest


Sasuke may be the focal character (IMO) but he's not the main one, It's that wrong view people have about Sasuke that make them think that in the end he will be the one who will have his friend back and get the girl.

Thank you.

That's what people needs to understand. If you think about it, Naruto is all about life while Sasuke is about brotherhood/family (minor). Think about it. Naruto's parallel is not just about love life, rather life itself such as having a best friend, loving a girl, reaching your dream, etc. When dealing with Sasuke, it's about brotherhood/best friendship. When you think about it, most people he relates or fights against have something similar to Sasuke. Even Danzou share something similar and you can guess what it is. When it comes to Naruto, most people he relates or fights against have also share something similar. I don't need to go down details but point is, when it comes to life achievement, it's all about Naruto.

[redragon88]

I think the big mistake that people make when it comes to SS / NS is thinking that Sasuke is the main character instead of Naruto.


The majority of people see things like this:

Naruto: Sasuke's best friend>>>> Sasuke <<<< Sakura: Sasuke's love interest


When things actually are:

Sasuke: Naruto's best friend>>>> Naruto<<<< Sakura: Naruto's love interest


Sasuke may be the focal character (IMO) but he's not the main one, It's that wrong view people have about Sasuke that make them think that in the end he will be the one who will have his friend back and get the girl.

Add to that the misunderstanding that apparently Hinata is just as important to Naruto as Team 7 and you've got yourself a nice pairing war.

What a freaking mess.

Edited by redragon88, 12 March 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I think the big mistake that people make when it comes to SS / NS is thinking that Sasuke is the main character instead of Naruto.


The majority of people see things like this:

Naruto: Sasuke's best friend>>>> Sasuke <<<< Sakura: Sasuke's love interest


When things actually are:

Sasuke: Naruto's best friend>>>> Naruto<<<< Sakura: Naruto's love interest


Sasuke may be the focal character (IMO) but he's not the main one, It's that wrong view people have about Sasuke that make them think that in the end he will be the one who will have his friend back and get the girl.

I still don't really understand this. Sasuke's character has been shown over and over that he is not meant for romance, he's highly focused on his own goals and the platonic family relationships he has/had, especially relating to brotherhood like Naruto and Itachi. And "love interest" is not an apt way to describe Sakura to him. It indicates he has non-platonic feelings for her. This is very clearly not the case, all he's ever seen her as is a friend and then later someone he plans to kill, along with the rest of Konoha.

I noticed a lot of SS shippers are Sasuke fans. But if they're Sasuke fans, then how come they support SasuSaku? He doesn't want Sakura, if you truly love his character, then don't ship against his happiness. At least with SasuNaru, he's shown to care for Naruto more than anyone else in T7, even now.

I basically feel like this when I see NaruHina fans who proclaim themselves Naruto fans, yet ship him with Hinata, someone he does not love. Just ... it's purposely going against what he actually wants in the manga. He loves Sakura so all his efforts (including main character loophole) should cause you to ship NaruSaku. That's the original reason why I started shipping NS, after all.

But then again, most NH fans are Hinata fans through and through. Poor Naruto gets shafted.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 12 March 2013 - 07:45 AM.