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[Zatheko]

 

After seeing her development no doubt she's going to stay by Naruto's side and support him in becoming Hokage. She's not going to accept Sasuke as the Hokage. Her entire character development was all lead to this moment where she chooses the one person who has supported her, love her and stood by her side all along over the person who has never love her and only brought her grief, pain and sorrow.

Completely true, this Hokage thing with Sasuke is the perfect set up for Sakura siding with Naruto and perhaps having her true feelings shown.

 

There is NO way Kishi will have Sakura side with Sasuke being Hokage.

[arian_rad]

Completely true, this Hokage thing with Sasuke is the perfect set up for Sakura siding with Naruto and perhaps having her true feelings shown.

 

There is NO way Kishi will have Sakura side with Sasuke being Hokage.

What scares me is the tricks I think Kishi will play before the conclusion, and as a fan of narusaku.. i dont want to go overboard like naruhina fans did after 615 knowing what happend to them in 631. I personally dont want to be in denial and when I look at all the cards kishi has to play... it makes the playing field really interesting, however I still believe narusaku will be endgame because of the crazy amount of development and the love factor being there for Naruto and a halfway thing with Sakura

[Zatheko]

What scares me is the tricks I think Kishi will play before the conclusion, and as a fan of narusaku.. i dont want to go overboard like naruhina fans did after 615 knowing what happend to them in 631. I personally dont want to be in denial and when I look at all the cards kishi has to play... it makes the playing field really interesting, however I still believe narusaku will be endgame because of the crazy amount of development and the love factor being there for Naruto and a halfway thing with Sakura

I still think a scenario with Sakura siding with Sasuke being Hokage is out of the question, not only would it be trashing all of the NaruSaku development but it would trash any character development Sakura has had since her time at the academy.

 

Not to mention it would just give Sakura even MORE hate, after what Kishi said to defend Sakura against people saying Hinata is a better heroine than her I don't think he would put those words to waste and just revert her back to her part 1 self. And yes it would put her back to her part 1 self because only that part of her would ever trust Sasuke at being Hokage over Naruto,

Edited by zatheko, 28 May 2013 - 02:57 AM.

[KeikoxYusuke]

lol..everyone ignored my post....  Aw well, it sucked I'm terrible at defending a ship I don't support for real, I would rather defend NS anyway.

 

I just wanted to try and keep this thread going....

Edited by KeikoxYusuke, 28 May 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[pharix]

do we still have that thread for asking about raw translations?

 

also i like the new look!

[arian_rad]

I still think a scenario with Sakura siding with Sasuke being Hokage is out of the question, not only would it be trashing all of the NaruSaku development but it would trash any character development Sakura has had since her time at the academy.

 

Not to mention it would just give Sakura even MORE hate, after what Kishi said to defend Sakura against people saying Hinata is a better heroine than her I don't think he would put those words to waste and just revert her back to her part 1 self. And yes it would put her back to her part 1 self because only that part of her would even trust Sasuke at being Hokage over Naruto,

 

I fully understand that this scenerio is out of the question and because Kishi created Sakura as the Heroine he wouldnt do that. Therefore, I fully understand Kishi would never do that because he along with sakura's character would recieve endless hate and show how little her development ment. But im talking about the events that could lead up to that choice. I see kishi playing some tricks on us in order to get to that point just so he can troll ever fandom a little bit more before he actually ends the series with a pairing. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

What scares me is the tricks I think Kishi will play before the conclusion, and as a fan of narusaku.. i dont want to go overboard like naruhina fans did after 615 knowing what happend to them in 631. I personally dont want to be in denial and when I look at all the cards kishi has to play... it makes the playing field really interesting, however I still believe narusaku will be endgame because of the crazy amount of development and the love factor being there for Naruto and a halfway thing with Sakura

Little late but welcome to the forum. ^_^

 

Honestly, I already explained why this chapter was much more damaging than 615, but to summarize it, the problem is that Kishi has killed NH and place a bomb on SS that has no way to deactivate, only delaying until you ran out of wire. He killed it by reconfirming Naruto's feelings for Sakura, which happened after ALL of NH moments. Ask yourself, you mean to tell me that the hand holding, the holding his face, and whatever they talked about, little that is, didn't change him, let alone this is all Hinata's wish? If so, then game over. As for SS, the bomb was placed when the parallel is confirmed, and as the story goes, whenever the protagonist wants, he/she will get. Minato is all set with happiness, so not happening will make Naruto seem like he lost. As the story written, he must win them all that he strive hard to achieve.

[arian_rad]

Little late but welcome to the forum. ^_^

 

Honestly, I already explained why this chapter was much more damaging than 615, but to summarize it, the problem is that Kishi has killed NH and place a bomb on SS that has no way to deactivate, only delaying until you ran out of wire. He killed it by reconfirming Naruto's feelings for Sakura, which happened after ALL of NH moments. Ask yourself, you mean to tell me that the hand holding, the holding his face, and whatever they talked about, little that is, didn't change him, let alone this is all Hinata's wish? If so, then game over. As for SS, the bomb was placed when the parallel is confirmed, and as the story goes, whenever the protagonist wants, he/she will get. Minato is all set with happiness, so not happening will make Naruto seem like he lost. As the story written, he must win them all that he strive hard to achieve.

 

Thats a great point but as I said, I dont think Kishi is done trolling with all the fandoms just yet, I can still see him doing something so somewhat jeopardize us or another fandom before he officially makes a couple canon. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Thats a great point but as I said, I dont think Kishi is done trolling with all the fandoms just yet, I can still see him doing something so somewhat jeopardize us or another fandom before he officially makes a couple canon. 

I don't know, he only made it obvious, so everything can easily brush off. I think that's his fault to made it obvious. That or we are just old enough to know how the story all to well. Well it is a teenager manga. The thing about Kishi is about connecting the dot to get the story right. Sorry, but NH is dead and the only way you can troll is with SS but again, it's not stopping the inevitable. I explained it way back. Also, I explained that NS never really got trolled. Anyway, things should be clear to everyone soon and no longer can defend.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 May 2013 - 03:09 AM.

[A_Soggy_Cactus]

Things are indeed looking good for NS, I'm not sure how to add to this.

 

I'll try to defend Naruhina and Sasusaku to make this debate theard interesting.. 

 

 

Ok, So...What If Naruto didn't say Sakua was his girlfriend right away because he was aware of Hinata standing right there? Maybe He still loves Sakura but he feels like it's just not going to happen. So he feels like pretending she is his girlfriend, just for a little bit. 

 

And maybe after the war he will assume she would rather be with Sasuke. ( He would either stay single forever like Jaraiya, Or pick Hinata as a "2nd choice" ) 

 

But that's not romantic at all.. ( xD ...I'm a terrible NH defender...lol.. )

 

Anyway guys, feel free to completly destroy my NH defense.    

 

 

 

As for SS....Sakura hasn't "gotten over" him yet, many SS fans think her not having a Fangirl reaction to Sasuke shows her feelings are deeper then someone like Karin. ( I like Sasukarin btw, but that's what many SS fans tell me...) 

 

So, What are the chances that Sakura has "deeper feelings" for Sasuke? Many still use that love letter moment to prove that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are much more then a simple crush. 

 

The only real problem with the SS ship is....Sasake's lack of romantic feelings for Sakura.  ( Still not sure how that can even BE a ship at this point, Sakura is single-handly holding it up. ( assuming she has those feelings...)

 

So, that's my SS defense. please break it apart and destroy it guys...

I'll take a crack at this. If he was aware that Hinata was right there, and assuming that he loves her from an NH perspective, he probably would have denied it. Why would you lie about liking someone when the person you already actually like is in the same room? Again, NH perspective here. You have to remember that Naruto is pretty obvious with his feelings. Even Sai, who's known Naruto the least out of all the rookies, can even see that Naruto loves Sakura. I'm not going to pull out all of the examples, but it's pretty obvious both in part 1 and part 2 (see the build up thread).

 

SS is one-sided. There's no denying that. You could argue that NS is one-sided but the difference is that there is actual development that can be driven towards them being paired at the end of the manga. You can't do this with SS. There just simply isn't enough time for Sasuke to develop feelings for Sakura. And why would he for that matter? Itachi is his first love obviously XD. Likewise, there just isn't enough time for Naruto to develop feelings for Hinata anymore. Anything immediately following the Pain Arc would have been his chance. And for Hinata, there isn't enough time for her to develop herself as a character anymore. It's like her only goal in life is to live for Naruto. At least Naruto and Sakura have independent goals.

 

As for the love letter and Sakura saying that, "There's somebody else." Think about that panel where she's thinking about Sasuke. What's her facial expression? Is she happy when she's thinking about Sasuke? Nope. Not a chance. And what image of Sasuke does she see? This cold hearted blood thirsty avenger-- not the team 7 Sasuke. Even Karin could sense how menacing and cold his chakra was. This is not the same Sasuke that Sakura use to "love" (I'm not saying she doesn't anymore, but just give this some thought). But maybe I'm avoiding the question. Why does she say that there's someone else? I think she's just confused. Each time Sakura and Naruto have seen Sasuke since he left (Land of Iron and after he killed Danzo), he has made dramatic transformations in his character and in his goals. Think about how this has affected Sakura. That's A LOT to take in about someone you care about and it's gotta be worse for Naruto even.

 

...I hope that makes sense. 

I've never really debated pairings before. Totally new to me.

[arian_rad]

I don't know, he only made it obvious, so everything can easily brush off. I think that's his fault to made it obvious. That or we are just old enough to know how the story all to well. Well it is a teenager manga. The thing about Kishi is about connecting the dot to get the story right. Sorry, but NH is dead and the only way you can troll is with SS but again, it's not stopping the inevitable. I explained it way back. Also, I explained that NS never really got trolled. Anyway, things should be clear to everyone soon and no longer can defend.

 

 

The thing said about this that I love is that Whenever I have had an argument about a NaruHina fan is because I feel like im talking to a little kid who watches too many fairy tale stories. Its about development, not that random love can take over out of nowhere. This truly is a teenage manga and we've seen enough to know that to truly love someone, you need to develop even more as friends and that is what ruins naruhina arguments for my and why i stopped believing in them and their arguments. it seems childish to me, their arguments and the way they act. 

[Strangelove]

Completely true, this Hokage thing with Sasuke is the perfect set up for Sakura siding with Naruto and perhaps having her true feelings shown.

 

There is NO way Kishi will have Sakura side with Sasuke being Hokage.

 

Agreed, that will be the bomb that destroys SS ship.

[StriderC]

I'll take a crack at this. If he was aware that Hinata was right there, and assuming that he loves her from an NH perspective, he probably would have denied it. Why would you lie about liking someone when the person you already actually like is in the same room? Again, NH perspective here. You have to remember that Naruto is pretty obvious with his feelings. Even Sai, who's known Naruto the least out of all the rookies, can even see that Naruto loves Sakura. I'm not going to pull out all of the examples, but it's pretty obvious both in part 1 and part 2 (see the build up thread).

 

SS is one-sided. There's no denying that. You could argue that NS is one-sided but the difference is that there is actual development that can be driven towards them being paired at the end of the manga. You can't do this with SS. There just simply isn't enough time for Sasuke to develop feelings for Sakura. And why would he for that matter? Itachi is his first love obviously XD. Likewise, there just isn't enough time for Naruto to develop feelings for Hinata anymore. Anything immediately following the Pain Arc would have been his chance. And for Hinata, there isn't enough time for her to develop herself as a character anymore. It's like her only goal in life is to live for Naruto. At least Naruto and Sakura have independent goals.

 

As for the love letter and Sakura saying that, "There's somebody else." Think about that panel where she's thinking about Sasuke. What's her facial expression? Is she happy when she's thinking about Sasuke? Nope. Not a chance. And what image of Sasuke does she see? This cold hearted blood thirsty avenger-- not the team 7 Sasuke. Even Karin could sense how menacing and cold his chakra was. This is not the same Sasuke that Sakura use to "love" (I'm not saying she doesn't anymore, but just give this some thought). But maybe I'm avoiding the question. Why does she say that there's someone else? I think she's just confused. Each time Sakura and Naruto have seen Sasuke since he left (Land of Iron and after he killed Danzo), he has made dramatic transformations in his character and in his goals. Think about how this has affected Sakura. That's A LOT to take in about someone you care about and it's gotta be worse for Naruto even.

 

...I hope that makes sense. 

I've never really debated pairings before. Totally new to me.

You did an awesome job debunking the arguments my friend.  

[Nefertieh]

 
Nope. I know that it's a... pain to master too. I was comparing Japanese with the European languages.

Yeah, most European languages have similar roots, which is why Asian languages are harder to learn for people with no background in another Asian language.

The other point about Chinese I was trying to make was that it is essentially all "kanji," you can't spell anything. XP

[coolcatjas]

Completely true, this Hokage thing with Sasuke is the perfect set up for Sakura siding with Naruto and perhaps having her true feelings shown.

 

There is NO way Kishi will have Sakura side with Sasuke being Hokage.

Exactly! Sakura has been supporting Naruto's dream even in Part 1, more or less ("Sorry Naruto but that impossible dream of yours, I don't want to see it crushed"). If it is even hinted that Sakura is torn between Naruto and Sasuke right for Hokage I will be deeply disappointed.

Edited by coolcatjas, 28 May 2013 - 06:16 AM.

[StriderC]

Exactly! Sakura has been supporting Naruto's dream even in Part 1, more or less ("Sorry Naruto but that impossible dream of yours, I don't want to see it crushed"). If it is even hinted that Sakura is torn between Naruto and Sasuke right for Hokage I will be deeply disappointed.

I'll rage. LMAO!       

[TouKen4Life3g]

Exactly! Sakura has been supporting Naruto's dream even in Part 1, more or less ("Sorry Naruto but that impossible dream of yours, I don't want to see it crushed"). If it is even hinted that Sakura is torn between Naruto and Sasuke right for Hokage I will be deeply disappointed.

I got a feeling Kishi really is going full circle and it won't end there. Maybe. Just maybe. Chapter 3 redux may happen after all. If Kishi really does it, all I can say to his products is "Shut up and take my money!"

[Don-kun]

 

After seeing her development no doubt she's going to stay by Naruto's side and support him in becoming Hokage. She's not going to accept Sasuke as the Hokage. Her entire character development was all lead to this moment where she chooses the one person who has supported her, love her and stood by her side all along over the person who has never love her and only brought her grief, pain and sorrow.

Someone else who thinks like me, after Sasuke making that declaration of him wanting to be Hokage and not caring about what other says, I new that would be the end of SS, I mean like you I cannot see Sakura back stabbing Naruto to support Sasuke, Sakura development has being about learning more about Naruto, supporting him while also cherish his dream of becoming Hokage.

 

 

[coolcatjas]

I'll rage. LMAO!       

Ha you know what I probably would too lol

 

I got a feeling Kishi really is going full circle and it won't end there. Maybe. Just maybe. Chapter 3 redux may happen after all. If Kishi really does it, all I can say to his products is "Shut up and take my money!"

I hope so, oh how I hope so. It's like every NS shippers dream right there! That and a kiss and a marriage... and NS children... c:

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I do believe Kishi truly cares for his work. I mean think about it. In the movie, Sakura brought up the whole Hokage dream part for Naruto, which is like the best way to bring him back to real world. That said if she knows that well, which is only brought up way back in the Chuunin Exam from her pov, that means Kishi is truly being consistent and now, it seems like this is an indirect way for Sakura to choose Naruto over Sasuke. I don't know if I have give him too much credit, but if he does do this, honestly, I will bow down to him. No joke. This is a smart writing if done right. I don't know if this is his plan to do this way, but we'll see.