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[Hanabi]

Satellite Character: Yamato was brought in as the substitute team leader of Team 7, was kidnapped as baby by Orochimaru and had his DNA manipulated to the point where he's the genetic clone of the First Hokage, and was a member of Anbu with Kakashi. On paper, all of that sounds like a lot of potential for a character. In reality, Yamato ended up being relegated to being Kakashi's assistant in training Naruto and being the Butt Monkey.

a paragraph from tvtropes. i find it to be very true. too bad kishi neglects him.

Edited by Hanabi, 21 December 2013 - 01:59 PM.

[六道仙人]

It's funny how ss fans are screaming about their perfomance by ignoring that they did also a NS and KN perfomances... whatever.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's funny how ss fans are screaming about their perfomance by ignoring that they did also a NS and KN perfomances... whatever.

You're talking about this jump festa?

[六道仙人]

yes. they did some perfomances from the manga... it's a stafe, after all... not an interview. a funny moment together. It happens the same in OP stage. Rarely in these stages they make some spoilers.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

yes. they did some perfomances from the manga... it's a stafe, after all... not an interview. a funny moment together. It happens the same in OP stage. Rarely in these stages they make some spoilers.

What kind of perfomances?
Sakura's confession to Sasuke once again like last year?

[六道仙人]

the sasuke's arrival on the batteflied about SS perfomance (Sakura: Sasuke-kun...? Sasuke: Sakura, uh...?

 

... regarding the other two, I don't know... nobody has reported these yet...

Edited by 六道仙人, 21 December 2013 - 02:46 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

the sasuke's arrival on the batteflied about SS perfomance... regarding the other two, I don't know... nobody has reported these yet...

So? 

There was no pairing fanservice there on his arrival...

How they are freaking out by this?

[Nefertieh]

I have an unpopular opinion.

 

 

A lot of people seem to think this is narusaku in a nutshell. It is exactly this line of reasoning that lead people to believe that Naruto is "the helpless victim to Sakura's feelings for Sasuke" or that "he wants Sakura to be with Sasuke because he has given up on her."

No.

Naruto has never said this in actual manga canon.

He made his promise of a lifetime to make Sakura happy, NOT as a means to end his own relationship to Sakura. In fact, Naruto views his promise of a lifetime as the reason why he cannot confess to Sakura -- because he couldn't keep his word, NOT because he "gave up" on Sakura when he made that promise.

Naruto wanted to bring back someone Sakura valued dearly, not to officiate her wedding.

Both shippers and antis look at narusaku as exactly as how it is described in this filler. Either it is tragically beautiful, or tragically pathetic. I can't help but feel like people have completely overlooked Naruto's faith in Sakura and himself, as if to declare it dead before it has even started.

 

I'm also struggling to understand mechanics regarding the last part of the quote. I'm sure you wouldn't try to force someone to love you, Naruto, but how would anyone force that on someone? Lock them into a room until they develop Stockholm syndrome? Is declaring that 'you will never force someone to love you' a thing well-adjusted people even say?

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 December 2013 - 03:09 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have an unpopular opinion.

 

 

A lot of people seem to think this is narusaku in a nutshell. It is exactly this line of reasoning that people see Naruto as "the helpless victim to Sakura's feelings for Sasuke" or that "he wants Sakura to be with Sasuke because he has given up on her."

No.

Naruto has never said this in actual manga canon.

He made his promise of a lifetime to make Sakura happy, NOT as a means to end his own relationship to Sakura. In fact, Naruto views his promise of a lifetime as the reason why he cannot confess to Sakura -- because he couldn't keep his word, NOT because he "gave up" on Sakura when he made that promise.

Naruto wanted to bring back someone Sakura valued dearly, not to officiate her wedding.

Both shippers and antis look at narusaku as exactly as how it is described in this filler. Either it is tragically beautiful, or tragically pathetic. I can't help but feel like people have completely overlooked Naruto's faith in Sakura and himself, as if to declare it dead before it has even started.

 

Naruto's love for Sakura is tragical in a way because it's too complex.

You cant simply describe it without writing a wall of text.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2013 - 02:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

the sasuke's arrival on the batteflied about SS perfomance (Sakura: Sasuke-kun...? Sasuke: Sakura, uh...?
 
... regarding the other two, I don't know... nobody has reported these yet...

Wait, that's a moment now? Man, and all said we're desperate.

Ok, one anti comment and that's it. I'm sorry.

[Hanabi]

that filler kunoichi is sakura and hinata combined imo. green eyes, same fringe.

[sushi.]

I think it's more like..

Naruto's desire to date Sakura =/= Naruto's desire to make her happy

 

He wants both, but they're not connected.

[六道仙人]

This jump festa is along the lines of the that last year's.... Perfomance of some manga scenese. Of course SS is the one who is making more noise since they're a lot on twitter...

 

Nothing new... It seems that Naruto will end within the next year and Kishi joked about how to defeand an invincible enemy like Madara.

[Nefertieh]

I think it's more like..

Naruto's desire to date Sakura =/= Naruto's desire to make her happy

 

He wants both, but they're not connected.

 

I think he genuinely wants to be with her, more than just take her out on dates.

 

TLDR; I think Naruto has more faith in himself and Sakura than the fillers assume.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This jump festa is along the lines of the that last year's.... Perfomance of some manga scenese. Of course SS is the one who is making more noise since they're a lot on twitter...

 

Nothing new... It seems that Naruto will end within the next year and Kishi joked about how to defeand an invincible enemy like Madara.

So no Naruto vs Sasuke battle them...

 

 

I think it's more like..

Naruto's desire to date Sakura =/= Naruto's desire to make her happy

 

He wants both, but they're not connected.

 

Yes, those two things conflict against each other that's why it's complex, his desire to be with her, his desire to confess to her, his desire to have a date with her conflicts with his view that she only loves Sasuke, how he pushes his feelings back and etc...

 

One of the things is if you firmly believes that a girl loves another girl why you would confess to her?

I just cant understand why he believes so strongly that she loves Sasuke and etc and despite this he wants to confess to her?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[六道仙人]

I think there will be Sasuke's wish to become Hokage vs Naruto's wish to become Hokage. It needs to see what kinda battle will be that.

 

Anyway, I correct... It seems that Naruto COULD finish within the next year.

Edited by 六道仙人, 21 December 2013 - 03:49 PM.

[sushi.]

Yes, those two things conflict against each other that's why it's complex, his desire to be with her, his desire to confess to her, his desire to have a date with her conflicts with his view that she only loves Sasuke, how he pushes his feelings back and etc...

 

One of the things is if you firmly believes that a girl loves another girl why you would confess to her?

I just cant understand why he believes so strongly that she loves Sasuke and etc and despite this he wants to confess to her?

Isn't that what we're talking about here? Naruto won't confess in order to woo Sakura. In fact, he won't do anything in order to woo her. Because that is an inner wish that he doesn't put into action because he's a genuinly nice guy.

He wants to be honest with her and tell her how he feels, he wants to let her know how much she means to him etc.

[Atheck]

Nothing new... It seems that Naruto will end within the next year and Kishi joked about how to defeand an invincible enemy like Madara.

 

If this is true then Sakura's window of opportunity to play a significant role in events or participate in one final battle is decreased even further. Assuming that the same amount of chapters is published in 2014 as with 2013 (45) that offers little room to properly delve into other characters. The final confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke alone will probably span over 20 chapters minimum. Everything else (Madara/Black Zetsu's demise, resolving Orochimaru's story, and the epilogue) would need to be condensed into a length of content barely reaching half of next year's publications. It's just not enough to adequately fasten the story together and conclude everything. 

 

Is there any possibility of the manga continuing into 2015? 

Edited by Atheck, 21 December 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[六道仙人]

I corrected that before... The manga COULD finish within the next year...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Isn't that what we're talking about here? Naruto won't confess in order to woo Sakura. In fact, he won't do anything in order to woo her. Because that is an inner wish that he doesn't put into action because he's a genuinly nice guy.

He wants to be honest with her and tell her how he feels, he wants to let her know how much she means to him etc.

But a confession is more like a proposition, like Sakura's she said that and demanded an asnwer from Naruto, Sakura's confession for Sasuke was the same, but his answer was a "thank you" and left.

 

On Hinata's it wasnt a confession it was a declaration of love where she simply stated why she loved Naruto and that she loves him and didnt demanded or waited for an answer.

 

THe only way for it to work like you suggest is a declaration of love where he will do the same things as Hinata but instead of dying he will simply friendzone himself and say that he only wanted to take it off his chest and doesnt have any regrets.

He will never know how she feels about him.