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#12261 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 8 2013, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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people are comparing Gruvia hold hands with the NaruHina one


But look the follow up that Gruvia gained:

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defeated the enemy together



of course that the situations are different, but Kishi could have done something similar to highlight the moment like Mashima did instead of decrease it like he did in chapter 616.

Spoiled myself but yes, good point. That's why many people in here feared 616 because some people, which it did cross my mind, thought that Naruto/Hinata are going together to defeat the evil. That and Hinata will gain an exclusive power-up. Turns out that wasn't the case at all. So yeah, in other words, Hiro delivered, Kishi shivered.

Edit: I'll be lying if I don't say, seriously FT...Yeah I know, off-topic. I must admit. I am facepalming. Join me in the actual thread.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 08 March 2013 - 05:44 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 8 2013, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoiled myself but yes, good point. That's why many people in here feared 616 because some people, which it did cross my mind, thought that Naruto/Hinata are going together to defeat the evil. That and Hinata will gain an exclusive power-up. Turns out that wasn't the case at all. So yeah, in other words, Hiro delivered, Kishi shivered.

Edit: I'll be lying if I don't say, seriously FT...Yeah I know, off-topic. I must admit. I am facepalming. Join me in the actual thread.


Oh, sorry I should have alerted that it was spoilers. sweatdrop.gif

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 8 2013, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, sorry I should have alerted that it was spoilers. sweatdrop.gif

It's ok. The only thing I can blame is the manga itself, but yeah...Sorry if you do like it a lot but now, I have to comment on it. While I still find it entertaining, it's just...why.

Anyway, it's all good. happy.gif

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 8 2013, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@candycane-chan - The number of times that other characters have held hands in the series is irrelevant. What's more important to point out is the context, which in the examples that you've provided, is not romantic. Sakura's relationship with Ino is friendly, her relationship with Tsunade is familial, and that goes for Naruto's relationship with Sasuke as well. All of these pairs have held hands with one another at some point, but none of these examples have a romantic context. Therefore, they shouldn't be used in comparison to the NaruHina handhold, which does have some romantic undertones.

NaruHina fans are really fond of 615 because they believe that the context of the moment is romantic. It certainly is from Hinata's perspective, but Naruto, on the other hand... Well, it's arguable. They believe that he held hands with her out of love, but we can just as easily say that he held hands with her was to transfer chakra, making the moment platonic from Naruto's perspective. 616 supports this interpretation, as he lets go of Hinata's hand as soon as the chapter pans back to the Alliance and proceeds to hold hands with other characters, like Ino, Chouji, and Shikamaru.

Anyway, I think the best moment to compare 615 to is 450 - Sakura's hug. Both moments have arguably romantic undertones, both occur between Naruto and his possible love interests, and both moments had the fandom losing their minds. Which one has the most romantic context behind it? I believe it's Sakura's hug. She had no ulterior motive behind hugging Naruto, she's been canonically proven to be Naruto's love interest (unlike Hinata), and the crowd around them was blushing (which suggests that the moment was intended to be romantic.) 615 was quite different in comparison.


you're saying that the context is more important than the number of times other charcters held hands but that moment didn't have a romantic atmosphere until the very end when hinata fangirled about naruto's hands. At least in my opinion wink.gif
And i don't really care if it's romantic from hinata's view becuase it's always romantic towards naruto. If every moment with hinata showing her feelings for naruto is a NH moment then there would've been lots of those.

Naruto holding hinata's hand can be dismissed (for him giving her chakra) sakura's hig however can't be.

Sakura holding tsunade's hand was acually a bit similar. With the "thank you, you did a good job" not even close to being romantic though.
QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 8 2013, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, this. Funny how the anime made her blush after the hug, but you know, that's anime.


really? I never noticed !
QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 8 2013, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
people are comparing Gruvia hold hands with the NaruHina one


But look the follow up that Gruvia gained:

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defeated the enemy together



of course that the situations are different, but Kishi could have done something similar to highlight the moment like Mashima did instead of decrease it like he did in chapter 616.

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Edited by candycane-chan, 08 March 2013 - 05:58 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 8 2013, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's ok. The only thing I can blame is the manga itself, but yeah...Sorry if you do like it a lot but now, I have to comment on it. While I still find it entertaining, it's just...why.

Anyway, it's all good. happy.gif


Actually I didn't like that chapter! happy.gif I even made a comment about on the FT thread ,I like Gruvia but the chapter was so bad that I couldn't enjoy the moment ... but I felt like I needed to point out that comparison... well at least the art of this chapter was beautiful!

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 8 2013, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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people are comparing Gruvia hold hands with the NaruHina one


But look the follow up that Gruvia gained:

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defeated the enemy together



of course that the situations are different, but Kishi could have done something similar to highlight the moment like Mashima did instead of decrease it like he did in chapter 616.

The least thing to notice and to compare is that the way these two characters are holding their hands is very different from the way Naruto and Hinata were holding hands. I don't know this manga and its characters, but the follow up was that these two characters defeated the enemy. Whereas, Naruto and Hinata holded hands in a different way and when chakra was passed, the holding hand is over , and having Naruto moving afterwards to hold hands with Shikamaru, Ino, Choji and Tenten in the same way.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 8 2013, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually I didn't like that chapter! happy.gif I even made a comment about on the FT thread ,I like Gruvia but the chapter was so bad that I couldn't enjoy the moment ... but I felt like I needed to point out that comparison... well at least the art of this chapter was beautiful!

Well the art was nice, but man, it's like a video game. The presentation is really nice but everything else that matters the most is so bad. I got the taste of what if 616 was you know. Anyway, change of topic.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:46 AM

Late to the party as usual... happy birthday Dαrkrєrsŧ (wish more people had remembered mine)

More to the topic though, we sorta going back to chapter 616? Well, dry spells are unavoidable at times I guess ^^; If I had to give an opinion of it, I'd say it really didn't bother me much at all, even when I first read that chapter. Of coarse, I was late in reading it and seeing a good majority of NaruSaku fans everywhere sorta spazing out over it. Eh couldn't really blame them because of where the hand holding could have lead to, but I was almost certain it was gonna be the polar opposite. Man I sure sound sure of myself saying that

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:51 AM

Talk about quiet place. You know, I wish Kishi or even anime studio make an episode/chapter that recaps the life of Naruto and make fun of fans to think that Naruto and Sakura are brother/sister. It will be a play and Naruto/Sakura will watch. Example:

Naruto: I will return.
Sakura: Thank you, Naruto. I will always love you. Like a brother. happy.gif
*hand shakes; Naruto leaves*

I wish for that.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 March 2013 - 03:22 AM.


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:05 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 9 2013, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Talk about quiet place. You know, I wish Kishi or even anime studio make an episode/chapter that recaps the life of Naruto and make fun of fans to think that Naruto and Sakura are brother/sister. It will be a play and Naruto/Sakura will watch. Example:

Naruto: I will return.
Sakura: Thank yo, Naruto. I will always love you. Like a brother. happy.gif
*hand shakes; Naruto leaves*

I wish for that.

Is that what the Lee spin off show is for? They sure love picking on Hinata and Neji XD

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:09 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Mar 8 2013, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that what the Lee spin off show is for? They sure love picking on Hinata and Neji XD

True. I'm just saying. If you watch Avatar, you'll know what I mean. It was funny and cleaver.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 8 2013, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Talk about quiet place. You know, I wish Kishi or even anime studio make an episode/chapter that recaps the life of Naruto and make fun of fans to think that Naruto and Sakura are brother/sister. It will be a play and Naruto/Sakura will watch. Example:

Naruto: I will return.
Sakura: Thank yo, Naruto. I will always love you. Like a brother. happy.gif
*hand shakes; Naruto leaves*

I wish for that.

That was hilarious in Avatar laugh.gif

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:16 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 9 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True. I'm just saying. If you watch Avatar, you'll know what I mean. It was funny and cleaver.

I saw every episode, so yup... I know exactly what your talking about. I also know how much the show split the fandom XD

*I haven't seen it in awhile though, so I missed the reference ^^;

Edited by MangaReader, 09 March 2013 - 02:18 AM.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:43 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Mar 8 2013, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw every episode, so yup... I know exactly what your talking about. I also know how much the show split the fandom XD

*I haven't seen it in awhile though, so I missed the reference ^^;

Well remember the episode when they went to a play and they pretty much make fun of themselves, as well as fandom. The play ships ZuTara, they make fun of how one episode was a waste of time so they skipped it, make fun of catchphrase (ex. how can you say that!), and so much more. I want them to do something like that.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:00 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 9 2013, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Talk about quiet place. You know, I wish Kishi or even anime studio make an episode/chapter that recaps the life of Naruto and make fun of fans to think that Naruto and Sakura are brother/sister. It will be a play and Naruto/Sakura will watch. Example:

Naruto: I will return.
Sakura: Thank yo, Naruto. I will always love you. Like a brother. happy.gif
*hand shakes; Naruto leaves*

I wish for that.


gj with the dialouge. But if you want I can post a comedy play about it on sathurday. Its gonna be hillarius.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:03 AM

QUESTION TIME!!!

Many people speculate that Sakura consciously lied when she said she loved Naruto since she couldn't look him in the eye. That's a reasonable assumption based on the believe that when people lie they look away in order to deal with the nervousness of it.

Now I remember there's a scene in Storm 3 where Minato praises Kushina's good characteristics and she looks away because she feels to embarrassed to look at him in the face. I also remember how in the 1st Shippuden movie Shion also looked away when she started to fall for Naruto.

My question would be: Could it be that Sakura looked away simply because she was feeling embarrassed and not because she was consciously lying? That would mean that whether she truly loves Naruto or not when she confessed at that moment she mentally believed she was in love with him.

What do you guys think?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:33 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 8 2013, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Talk about quiet place. You know, I wish Kishi or even anime studio make an episode/chapter that recaps the life of Naruto and make fun of fans to think that Naruto and Sakura are brother/sister. It will be a play and Naruto/Sakura will watch. Example:

Naruto: I will return.
Sakura: Thank you, Naruto. I will always love you. Like a brother. happy.gif
*hand shakes; Naruto leaves*

I wish for that.


That was such a genuis episode for making fun of the anti-Kataang people who believed the relationship wasn't romantic, it was perfect in splitting the fandom apart. laugh.gif Everytime I watch it, I always think that it would be perfect of Kishimoto to do with the SS/NH/NS pairing wars, given it's similiar intensity and how NS is a lot like Kataang. Alas, he would never do something like that, but I just know if he did, I would fall on the floor laughing. xD

As for your question, redragon, I really think that was the case. It's possible I am wrong, but like I said in my LAP, Sakura came there still not quite knowing what she felt for Naruto, not that she knew she didn't love him. Not only can I not see Sakura that cruel to Naruto (The confession was unneeded, even if she maybe did it to bribe him. If she was just confused, I could see her doing it. But lying blatantly like that? Sakura is not the type of person to do that IMO), it doesn't really add up. Not that long ago she was confused over her own feelings, right? Why the sudden change? Nothing happened before this that was impacting enough to be an eye-opener.

Maybe Sakura did believe she loved him. I support her merely being consciously confused more just 'cause it makes more sense to me. The problem I have with that is ... it's just odd. She actually loves him unconsciously but she hadn't realized it yet but consciously figured she loved him without the realization? Does this not denote her feelings for him a little?

Wow, what I bolded is a real brain twister. It's so complicated and confusing. rolleyes.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 09 March 2013 - 04:38 AM.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:43 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Mar 8 2013, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
gj with the dialouge. But if you want I can post a comedy play about it on sathurday. Its gonna be hillarius.

Sure, why not.

Funny note: It seems the game skipped the conflict with Naruto's clones in the battlefield, but Sakura and others (Kakashi's platoon) get the cutscene. Naruto responded to her and surprised her as well as others. They all talked and Naruto told Sakura not to worry and he will finish this war. Funny, last time I checked, we had a development for nameless person, but oh well.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 9 2013, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUESTION TIME!!!

Many people speculate that Sakura consciously lied when she said she loved Naruto since she couldn't look him in the eye. That's a reasonable assumption based on the believe that when people lie they look away in order to deal with the nervousness of it.

Now I remember there's a scene in Storm 3 where Minato praises Kushina's good characteristics and she looks away because she feels to embarrassed to look at him in the face. I also remember how in the 1st Shippuden movie Shion also looked away when she started to fall for Naruto.

My question would be: Could it be that Sakura looked away simply because she was feeling embarrassed and not because she was consciously lying? That would mean that whether she truly loves Naruto or not when she confessed at that moment she mentally believed she was in love with him.

What do you guys think?

After treating someone like a child and a idiot, give him the impression that yo will never fall for him but times come where you have to tell this person how you feel about him, the question is will you be able to look on his eye act the start if you're telling him something that not only you but no one ever expect would happen?
Not only that but is a common thing that when ever a Anime girl need to admit something she was hiding from the other she always feel a little embarrassed and act like a little 7 years girl or turn around a blush because they don't want the person to see there face.


People love to say that Sakura was fully lying and purposely hurt Naruto, but I always look on it this way, why Sakura will vow to never make another error or hurt him anymore, but instead made a fake confession declaring her love knowing that is something Naruto always dreamed for, isn't that behavior a lot more hurtful for Naruto if she really didn't care about his feelings? Saying that she loves him when she doesn't automatically qualifies her of not caring it she hurts him.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 March 2013 - 11:23 AM.





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