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[redragon88]

 

I saw what you did there. It's like he owns that thread. That kind of attitude annoys me.

 

I knew my comments would be deleted later, but someone had to call him out on his hostility.

 

He didn't even bother read my post properly, that's the sad part. I wasn't saying that the handholding wasn't important, I just said that it doesn't have further significance just because it appears on a cover, which is what he was claiming.

 

He accuses me of saying the handholding doesn't matter and unjustifiably gives me attitude for it. That guy just reads what he wants to read.

 

But I had to laugh at how he wanted to make himself look good by bragging of going to a good college and saving up for a car. Congratulations, you. are. AVERAGE.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I can guarantee you that I will become a number 1 enemy for the name alone as soon as I step in.

[rikakim94]

Does anyone knows where I can find Gutsy Ninja story here?

 

The gusty ninja novel isn't fully translated for me , but when i get time i might have it fully translated.

 

 I can't find the link for the thread, However there is a thread for that novel its made by freakysandra. 

 

 

edit: Never mind i found the link! http://www.narusaku....041#entry476478 

Edited by rikakim94, 18 December 2013 - 04:52 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
The gusty ninja novel isn't fully translated for me , but when i get time i might have it fully translated.
 
 I can't find the link for the thread, However there is a thread for that novel its made by freakysandra. 
 
 
edit: Never mind i found the link! http://www.narusaku....041#entry476478 

Thank you so much. ^_^

[Hanabi]

I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt to the Pairing thread in NF... big mistake.

 

There was this guy saying how the handholding is an even bigger deal because Kishi put it on the cover. I decided to mention that it could simply be because Volume covers are supposed to represent the highlights moments in them, so it's just a matter of logic to put Naruto and Hinata there.

 

He then proceeds to call me a hypocrite and talk about how the argument blows up in my face. Wow, my first post there and people immediately gave me attitude. I called him on that and he went on to say that I'm the one with the problem.

 

Some people are truly just not worth addressing. They act like petulant children.

I guessed the guy correctly before i even went there. it's the same rude person that argued with me the first time i posted there.. and got both our posts deleted by mods. he's just so hostile -.-  i saw his tumblr once. more anti narusaku than pro naruhina lol..

Edited by Hanabi, 18 December 2013 - 05:48 AM.

[咲耶姫]

@ Redragon: Don't waste your time with this guy. He's obviously a hardcore NH fan that sees every Hinata's panel presence as NH moment. And his aggressively is only showing his fear of being wrong about his pairing choice. He knows deep inside you're right and that the handholding was only important for the plot and not for the pairing subplot. But because he won't admit it, he's going into defense mode and attack you for breaking his denial armor. 

 

And I’m so tired of biased NH fan that should be neutral, I’m talking about the mods and admins of some forums. In the most famous Naruto French forums, they change the banner theme to change it into a Christmas theme. And bet what they change it into? Yeah NaruHina Christmas banner! God I hate this forums, it’s so biased. Just going into the Pairing debate thread is annoying when you see the poll. If you’re a newbie and you go there you would think Naruto is gonna end up with Hinata judging by the amount of vote NH has compared to NS or even SS.

But this NH banner really gets on my nerves; it’s like mocking those who are debating for NS in the debate thread. It’s a provocation to me. It has nothing to do on a Naruto forums, I would be okay if it was a NH forum, but on a general forum, you can’t take side to one pairing or another, especially when it’s about Naruto. 

[Sojobo]

@ Redragon: Don't waste your time with this guy. He's obviously a hardcore NH fan that sees every Hinata's panel presence as NH moment. And his aggressively is only showing his fear of being wrong about his pairing choice. He knows deep inside you're right and that the handholding was only important for the plot and not for the pairing subplot. But because he won't admit it, he's going into defense mode and attack you for breaking his denial armor. 

 

And I’m so tired of biased NH fan that should be neutral, I’m talking about the mods and admins of some forums. In the most famous Naruto French forums, they change the banner theme to change it into a Christmas theme. And bet what they change it into? Yeah NaruHina Christmas banner! God I hate this forums, it’s so biased. Just going into the Pairing debate thread is annoying when you see the poll. If you’re a newbie and you go there you would think Naruto is gonna end up with Hinata judging by the amount of vote NH has compared to NS or even SS.

But this NH banner really gets on my nerves; it’s like mocking those who are debating for NS in the debate thread. It’s a provocation to me. It has nothing to do on a Naruto forums, I would be okay if it was a NH forum, but on a general forum, you can’t take side to one pairing or another, especially when it’s about Naruto. 

Heh... I know wich forum you're talking about.

I know how you feel about it, and that's why it's useless to talk about NS there. A lot of people there think they know everything, and don't want to hear other possibilities than NH.

To them, NS doesn't make sense after Sakura's confession and her feelings for Sasuke in the latest chapters.

Naruto's love for Sakura is a crush, and chapter 631 is a joke.

 

But yeah, you can feel in their answers that chapter 631 did hurt them, and that they coudn't invent a better argument than "a joke" for explaining it. That argument really is pitiful. I mean, if it was a joke (and it's not), it doesn't make sens. Why would Naruto make a joke like that in front of Hinata, when he's supposed to be in love with her (that's their conclusion from chapter 615)?

It makes no sense at all. -_____-

But yeah, it hurts, and they don't have another choice to deny it because it would be a big deal in NH logic.

 

Just face reality, Naruto did the same in the first part of the manga, Minato is just replacing Konohamaru.

Naruto loves Sakura, that's a fact, and it's definitly not a crush.

 

Anyway, I will not answer to that post about NH banner, I gave up the last time with the member called Hopelessnight.

Let's wait and see. It's the best way to answer to their ignorance.

Edited by Sojobo, 18 December 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[咲耶姫]

Heh... I know wich forum you're talking about.

I know how you feel about it, and that's why it's useless to talk about NS there. A lot of people there think they know everything, and don't want to hear other possibilities than NH.

To them, NS doesn't make sense after Sakura's confession and her feelings for Sasuke in the latest chapters.

Naruto's love for Sakura is a crush, and chapter 631 is a joke.

 

But yeah, you can feel in their answers that chapter 631 did hurt them, and that they coudn't invent a better argument than "a joke" for explaining it. That argument really is pitiful. I mean, if it was a joke (and it's not), it doesn't make sens. Why would Naruto make a joke like that in front of Hinata, when he's supposed to be in love with her (that's their conclusion from chapter 615)?

It makes no sense at all. -_____-

But yeah, it hurts, and they don't have another choice to deny it because it would be a big deal in NH logic.

 

Just face reality, Naruto did the same in the first part of the manga, Minato is just replacing Konohamaru.

Naruto loves Sakura, that's a fact, and it's definitly not a crush.

 

Anyway, I will not answer to that post about NH banner, I gave up the last time with the member called Hopelessnight.

Let's wait and see. It's the best way to answer to their ignorance.

If I remember correctly, they were already saying he was inlove with Hinata before chapter 615, it just reinforced their belief. 

 

I don't like this theory, it makes it look NH fans are right when they say it's just a joke and that Naruto's love for Sakura hasn't grow up at all. 

 

The problem is that except on that forum, you can't talk about Naruto on internet, because everywhere you go, and whatever, the country you're on, you will find an amount of NH fans and a few NS fans that will be chassed by by those NH fans. 

 

Also, I didn't know you were on that forum, I wonder where you find the courage to respond to those persons. I also wonder why so much people think France has a large NS fanbase, while it is exactly the same as in USA or other country... And I'm sure you can confirm it. 

[Luna]

You missed atheck post about this matter where he explained about SM, you need a great stamina to able to handle Natural energy and sage mode, Jiraiya didnt had the same chakra control that Naruto had and because of that his SM was imperfect while Naruto is perfect.
Every jutsu needs chakra control.
 
No one is born with a perfect jutsu or a perfect chakra control, Sakura had a impressive Sakura control and she was used as some form to explain it, she was like the pinnacle of chakra control at that time however, she didnt improved on her chakra control as much as Naruto, she doesnt have jutsus that rely on advanced chakra control but Naruto goes beyond that, he handle elemental jutsu, chakra casting, sage mode, inserction of senjutsu on pure chakra and etc...



About Naruto being a medic i dont know how this can be used because Sakura decided to be a medic ninja, she could've improved way better on her chakra control if she trained elemental jutsus and other type of jutsus rather than medical, she could've put her medical ninjutsu as a secondary ability like Naruto does now and focus on offensive ninjutsu but kishi decided to make her medical ninjutsu as a primary ability.
 
Sakura doesnt have the same range of skills that Naruto has and being honest, Kabuto had a better chakra control than Sakura and even it's shown his mystical palm jutsu technique being way better than Sakura's.

Bolded 1: When she healed Kankuro  form his poisoning is a advance technique. Just because you don't see her use an array of jutsu doesn't mean Naruto's control is better. Byakugo seal is an advance technique. For to be fighting and doing so many things  while sending chakra is feat in itself. And medical Ninjutsu in itself requires advance control.
 
Bolded 2: Medical Ninjutsu  requires way more control than elemental jutsu. " The use of medical Ninjutsu requires very advance chakra control." Taken from Narutopedia (would use panels but can't get them put up.)
 
Bolded 3: Kabuto can as well be branded as dead so he is invalid.
 
Just because a ninja has an array of jutsus doesn't deem their control better. "A seal developed by Tsunade which is reputed to be the pinnacle of chakra control. By storing chakra over an extended period of time into a specific point on their body — usually the forehead — the user creates this seal which manifests in the form of a rhombus-like marking. Once the seal is formed, the user's already impressive chakra control which is necessary to concentrate and store the chakra over the period of time allows them to perform techniques without any wasted energy or their own chakra." Naruto can barely use Genjutsu which also requires great chakra control. Without kurama Naruto's control wouldn't be so high. He did get good control but not better than Sakura's.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded 1: When she healed Kankuro  form his poisoning is a advance technique. Just because you don't see her use an array of jutsu doesn't mean Naruto's control is better. Byakugo seal is an advance technique. For to be fighting and doing so many things  while sending chakra is feat in itself. And medical Ninjutsu in itself requires advance control.

The term "advanced chakra control" was a subjective term i used, i was talking about the level of chakra control Naruto does on his jutsus not just "using the correct amount of chakra" or "storing chakra on an specific part of your body" etc...
 

Bolded 2: Medical Ninjutsu  requires way more control than elemental jutsu. " The use of medical Ninjutsu requires very advance chakra control." Taken from Narutopedia (would use panels but can't get them put up.)

It does require an advanced chakra control but it's not the way i was speaking about, there's a lot of nininjas who uses medical ninjutsu it doesnt make Sakura special, Sakura hasnt shown anything of different than Tsunade that suggest she surpassed her with jutsu that requires an insane level of chakra control, in fact she hasnt done anything different than Tsunade, however the things that Naruto does only he is capable of doing it, there's no other shinobi who was capable of doing the things and bizarre things that Naruto does with his chakra, Sakura is nowhere near.
You're doing the mistake by putting Sakura as the pinnacle of chakra control in this manga, but her training compared to Naruto doesnt suggest she has the best chakra control of the manga, Naruto however his whole life as a shinobi was just about chakra control.

Sakura as an example doesnt have her own jutsu or even tried to do something different with the techniques she has like as an example improving her mystical palm technique and other things.
 

Bolded 3: Kabuto can as well be branded as dead so he is invalid.
 
Just because a ninja has an array of jutsus doesn't deem their control better. "A seal developed by Tsunade which is reputed to be the pinnacle of chakra control. By storing chakra over an extended period of time into a specific point on their body — usually the forehead — the user creates this seal which manifests in the form of a rhombus-like marking. Once the seal is formed, the user's already impressive chakra control which is necessary to concentrate and store the chakra over the period of time allows them to perform techniques without any wasted energy or their own chakra." Naruto can barely use Genjutsu which also requires great chakra control. Without kurama Naruto's control wouldn't be so high. He did get good control but not better than Sakura's.

Kabuto's medical ninjutsu and the way he used the mystical palm technique to be even capable of healing remotely like he did on the bridge he had a better control due to your quote above "medical ninjutsu relies on advanced chakra control" it's true but everyone has it's own level of it, Kabuto just had more of it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2013 - 03:55 PM.

[Superman333]

Naruto has insane chakra control imo because of the things he can do with his chakra. Nobody else can do what Narutocan do with his chakra. Maybe Minato but Naruto's chakra cntrol and abilities is above anyone .

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto has insane chakra control imo because of the things he can do with his chakra. Nobody else can do what Narutocan do with his chakra. Maybe Minato but Naruto's chakra cntrol and abilities is above anyone .

Yep and looking at Sakura she also hasnt done anything to improve the skills that had been taught by Tsunade, Naruto however completed the jutsu he received and created "new" ones and also changed their form.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2013 - 08:25 PM.

[Hiraishin]

I mean if anything, I think Sakura and Naruto share a bond through Sasuke, and only bonded because of him.

Ughhh. I hate it when people say this.

[Luna]

Ughhh. I hate it when people say this.

In a sense it's true though. I disagree with the part that says "they only bonded because of him". I think Sasuke's departure from the village made Naruto and Sakura's bond stronger. I mean Naruto and Sakura  bonded before Sasuke left.

Edited by Baka chan, 19 December 2013 - 12:44 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

In a way, I like to think as a rapid progress of NS because of Sasuke. I mean Naruto and Sakura were already friends before Sasuke's departure. It's that moment that escalated them into close friends and have Sakura see Naruto in a new light to the point she doesn't know what is it. Assume best friend, not knowing the truth.

[sushi.]

That argument doesn't matter. If it was really relevant their current relationship status would be centered around him, but it isn't. It started with their common quest to save Sasuke, which is actually not so common anymore. Their initial goal has changed, current status is unknown.

 

I don't get the point either. Is their bond not so strong because it started with Sasuke? Are they implying they're simply business partners with a common goal? It it was really the case, it could've stopped there. They could've cemented the teammate/friendship zone. But they unintentionally and subconsciously grew closer..and closer, without any help from Sasuke. They just happened. <3

Edited by sushi., 19 December 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That argument doesn't matter. If it was really relevant their current relationship status would be centered around him, but it isn't. It started with their common quest to save Sasuke, which is actually not so common anymore. Their initial goal has changed, current status is unknown.

 

I don't get the point either. Is their bond not so strong because it started with Sasuke? Are they implying they're simply business partners with a common goal? It it was really the case, it could've stopped there. They could've cemented the teammate/friendship zone. But they unintentionally and subconsciously grew closer..and closer, without any help from Sasuke. They just happened. <3

I'll stick with NaruSaku4life3g

I think it's more because Sasuke left the village, because Naruto and Sakura were already friends however Sakura only cared for Sasuke and he got her attention there, it become stronger after Sasuke left and Sakura lose her light, in a way, becuse later she acknowledges Naruto during the POAL (speaking to him) and then when he returns she vows to become stronger and ask for Tsunade to be her teacher.

 

Sasuke leaving the village and Naruto's devotion to keep his promise to her.

[Hanabi]

had to share this doll

[BakeNeko-Chan]

That argument doesn't matter. If it was really relevant their current relationship status would be centered around him, but it isn't. It started with their common quest to save Sasuke, which is actually not so common anymore. Their initial goal has changed, current status is unknown.

 

I don't get the point either. Is their bond not so strong because it started with Sasuke? Are they implying they're simply business partners with a common goal? It it was really the case, it could've stopped there. They could've cemented the teammate/friendship zone. But they unintentionally and subconsciously grew closer..and closer, without any help from Sasuke. They just happened. <3

 

Yup. I do feel that Naruto and Sakura were brought closer through the common goal to save Sasuke, and his departure was a catalyst of sorts, but it is not the sum of their relationship. If it were I don't think we'd have scenes like the Heaven and Earth bridge with Yamato's unfinished sentence or the girlfriend comment. What, do people think that once Sasuke is 'redeemed' or whatever, that they will just go their separate ways? That all the development that has been built between them will just disappear? Besides, Sakura was already willing to give up Sasuke because Naruto's safety was more important to her. If Naruto and Sakura's relationship were intended to be seen as only friendship, then I would say Kishi has really muddied the waters on that one.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Yup. I do feel that Naruto and Sakura were brought closer through the common goal to save Sasuke, and his departure was a catalyst of sorts, but it is not the sum of their relationship. If it were I don't think we'd have scenes like the Heaven and Earth bridge with Yamato's unfinished sentence or the girlfriend comment. What, do people think that once Sasuke is 'redeemed' or whatever, that they will just go their separate ways? That all the development that has been built between them will just disappear? Besides, Sakura was already willing to give up Sasuke because Naruto's safety was more important to her. If Naruto and Sakura's relationship were intended to be seen as only friendship, then I would say Kishi has really muddied the waters on that one.

His departure wasnt a catalyst, Sasuke left and Naruto took the empty spot Sasuke left on Sakura's place, Sakura only wanted to be noticed by Sasuke which is shown on the bench scene, however he acknowledged her but he left and Sakura felt like she lose her ground and went desperately asked Naruto to bring him back, after Naruto failed and seeing how he was hurt because the fact he failed to bring Sasuke back and also witnessing his devotion towards this goal, she found out another goal to her life which was the help Naruto.

 

And the proof is that after the POAL she was going to visit Naruto first and then Sasuke which was totally different of the things she has done thoughout on part 1, Naruto become someome important to her because he was at her side when she needed the most (his departure) it wasnt a catalyst because in my opinion if Sasuke didnt left the village Naruto/Sakura would never stay on the way it is now.

 

She already did give up on Sasuke, and that's why she in a way is not doing stuff to bring Sasuke back, she accepted whatever outcome happens on Sasuke's case, she's worried about Naruto obviously but already accepted the idea of Sasuke dying as an example.