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[sushi.]

Do you think that Sakura has some kind of dislikeness when it comes to Naruto i dont know but i mean she seems to deny or even back off Naruto, in other words reject him, i dont know if it's part of her tsundere attitude or she just like to act tough when close to him.

Like, no.

 

The only time she rejected him for that reason was when he was a snotty little brat.

 

About your Sage mode post, SM comes from stamina. The old frog said that only one with a great stamina can learn it. Naruto's chakra control comes off as super-impressive because he has so much to control. He can hold all that energy.."whoa".

Don't get me wrong. It certainly is impressive, but ~ If Sakura had as much chakra as him, would she also be capable of this? We don't know. That is why I think it is unfair to say who is superior. But if Naruto really has that much chakra control, he should be a medic by now(lol).

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Like, no.

 

The only time she rejected him for that reason was when he was a snotty little brat.

 

About your Sage mode post, SM comes from stamina. The old frog said that only one with a great stamina can learn it. Naruto's chakra control comes off as super-impressive because he has so much to control. He can hold all that energy.."whoa".

Don't get me wrong. It certainly is impressive, but ~ If Sakura had as much chakra as him, would she also be capable of this? We don't know. That is why I think it is unfair to say who is superior. But if Naruto really has that much chakra control, he should be a medic by now(lol).

You missed atheck post about this matter where he explained about SM, you need a great stamina to able to handle Natural energy and sage mode, Jiraiya didnt had the same chakra control that Naruto had and because of that his SM was imperfect while Naruto is perfect.

Every jutsu needs chakra control.

 

No one is born with a perfect jutsu or a perfect chakra control, Sakura had a impressive Sakura control and she was used as some form to explain it, she was like the pinnacle of chakra control at that time however, she didnt improved on her chakra control as much as Naruto, she doesnt have jutsus that rely on advanced chakra control but Naruto goes beyond that, he handle elemental jutsu, chakra casting, sage mode, inserction of senjutsu on pure chakra and etc...

 

About Naruto being a medic i dont know how this can be used because Sakura decided to be a medic ninja, she could've improved way better on her chakra control if she trained elemental jutsus and other type of jutsus rather than medical, she could've put her medical ninjutsu as a secondary ability like Naruto does now and focus on offensive ninjutsu but kishi decided to make her medical ninjutsu as a primary ability.

 

Sakura doesnt have the same range of skills that Naruto has and being honest, Kabuto had a better chakra control than Sakura and even it's shown his mystical palm jutsu technique being way better than Sakura's.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 09:53 PM.

[Atheck]

Um, NaruSaku talk anyone? Lol

I'm not so sure if there's anything important to talk about regarding NS itself at the moment. Has anyone given any thought to who Mei could potentially be paired up with? It would probably be with someone who is around her age (early 30s presumably)and can handle her occasional mood swings. Then someone mentioned Tobirama and how those two could be together (if he were still alive). I could see Tobirama's sassiness being attractive to Mei. They also have a preference for water elemental jutsu.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm not so sure if there's anything important to talk about regarding NS itself at the moment. Has anyone given any thought to who Mei could potentially be paired up with? It would probably be with someone who is around her age (early 30s presumably)and can handle her occasional mood swings. Then someone mentioned Tobirama and how those two could be together (if he were still alive). I could see Tobirama's sassiness being attractive to Mei. They also have a preference for water elemental jutsu.

Mei is old, Karin called her an old hag she probably is a bit younger than Tsunade and uses some jutsu to look younger.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Atheck]

Mei is old, Karin called her an old hag she probably is a bit younger than Tsunade and uses some jutsu to look younger.

I think the context was that Karin was insulting Mei because she was acting provocative towards Sasuke (something which Karin becomes incredibly jealous of). That would be like Naruto calling Tobi a *******. He's not saying that because he thinks Tobi is an illegitimate child, he's saying it to insult him.

[redragon88]

I'm not so sure if there's anything important to talk about regarding NS itself at the moment. Has anyone given any thought to who Mei could potentially be paired up with? It would probably be with someone who is around her age (early 30s presumably)and can handle her occasional mood swings. Then someone mentioned Tobirama and how those two could be together (if he were still alive). I could see Tobirama's sassiness being attractive to Mei. They also have a preference for water elemental jutsu.

 

Mei is old, Karin called her an old hag she probably is a bit younger than Tsunade and uses some jutsu to look younger.

 

Pair her with Bee. He has a thing for middle aged women.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

Pair her with Bee. He has a thing for middle aged women.

He likes big breats i was thinking of pairing him with Hinata.

[Dkey]

Based on a chapter where Iruka explains that after observing Naruto's fight against Kiba even with a seal making his chakra control difficult and after that ignores Naruto's progression, Naruto's progression as a ninja and powerups all went down to chakra control not larger chakra pool.

If it was about larger chakra pool he would have more jutsus than rasengan and kagebushins.

 

Jiraiya taught Naruto about chakra control with rasengan and later with Oodama Rasengan by forcing him to put more chakra into it, Kakashi taught him chakra control and balance with the elemental training, Fukasaku taught him about balance and precise chakra control(immobile and right amount) with sage mode, Killer Bee chakra control on the kyuubi form and chakra manipulation with once again went down to chakra control (mini-rasenshuriken and crazy stuff).

Like creating extra arms and etc...

 

 

People bashing her and not taking her post seriously, most didnt even read the post.

 

 

 

I think chakra control also means the amount of chakra that is transformed into power. Naruto has a large pool of chakra but also needs a lot of chakra to generate a lot of power while Sakura may need far less chakra for a higher power.

 

But at this point if one isn't Senju/Uzumaki or Uchiha then they don't matter power wise.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

I think chakra control also means the amount of chakra that is transformed into power. Naruto has a large pool of chakra but also needs a lot of chakra to generate a lot of power while Sakura may need far less chakra for a higher power.

 

But at this point if one isn't Senju/Uzumaki or Uchiha then they don't matter power wise.

Chakra control means a lot of things.

Means being capable of using the correct amount of chakra to perform a jutsu, ability to maintain a balance on your jutsu(elemental jutsu or combining a jutsu with elemental(rasenshuriken) sage mode, bijuu dama and etc.., being able to concentrate chakra on specific spots of your body, beign capable of splitting chakra into equal parts and distribute it, being capable of transform chakra into different type(healing jutsu, elemental), casting chakra.

 

Chakra control is essential you cant use any jutsu without chakra control or casting chakra.

 

There are basic and advanced.

The basic are being capable of using jutsus and being able to concentrate chakra on specific spots of your body.

Advanced are splitting chakra/distribute, transform chakra, maintaning balance, using the correct amount.

Which varies depending of the type of jutsu or what you're trying to perform.

 

And also i just hate how people downplay Naruto's training, when his whole training was about how to use his chakra more efficiently, Sakura got another type of training completely different than Naruto.
In fact Naruto's training was to take advantage of his larger chakra pool combined with an insane chakra control to be able to do everything he wants without having the need to learn a lot of jutsus.
Naruto only has the kage bushin as jutsu  the rest is simple and pure chakra control.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 10:36 PM.

[Kster95]

Here you go.
http://i19.mangaread...uto-4358723.jpg
 

No clones, a senjutsu rasengan.
Here's the previous page to make sure http://i3.mangareade...uto-4358721.jpg
 
Everything relies on chakra control, it's the basic thing, forcing Naruto to maintain a perfect harmony between three sources of energy to make Senjutsu chakra, or even adding senjutsu to his attacks is chakra control.

Ok so he just learned, still later on in the manga he still uses 2 clones to make a rasenshuriken. Meaning he hasnt mastered a regular rasengan. No fukasaku stated to do SM you need large chakra reserves, he never stated anything about chakra control. Jiraiya could do a rasengan in one hand, Naruto usually needs clones, Jiraiya cant become a perfect sage yet Naruto can, so it has nothing to do with chakra control.

[redragon88]

He likes big breats i was thinking of pairing him with Hinata.

 

Too young, don't you remember?

 

To be specific he likes middle aged women with big breasts so Tsunade would be his ideal woman. Unfortunately her heart already belongs to Jiraiya, so Mei will have to do. She has quite a big chest as well.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Ok so he just learned, still later on in the manga he still uses 2 clones to make a rasenshuriken. Meaning he hasnt mastered a regular rasengan. No fukasaku stated to do SM you need large chakra reserves, he never stated anything about chakra control. Jiraiya could do a rasengan in one hand, Naruto usually needs clones, Jiraiya cant become a perfect sage yet Naruto can, so it has nothing to do with chakra control.

 

Dude i already showed a panel where he makes a senjutsu ransengan with one hand!

If he need two clones to make an Oodama Rasenshuriken that combines sage mode, chakra, elemental nnjutsu and strongly manipulation to make a bigger rasengan, thanks that he only needed two, Sasuke needs to use his two eyes to only manipulate his dark flames.

Sakura has any kind of jutsu that doenst even get close to it, even her remote healing she only focuses on the healing aspect while Katsuyu takes the role of splitting the chakra acting like a medium.

 

About fukasaku you missed the part where he talks about balance, Jiraiya could not balance the natural energy with his chakra perfectly being the reason why his sage mode is imperfect while Naruto is perfect because he managed to make the balance perfect, also he even goes further by combining this with the kyuubi mode without any problems.

This is just chakra control, SM requires strong chakra reserves and also perfect chakra control to go to a perfect stage like Naruto.

 

 

Ever since 631 came out, to me, it became completely clear that NS was the pairing meant to be canon. Beforehand it was obvious, but I took 631 as Kishi actually sreaming in our faces to not consider anything else. Now the only anticipation I have for it is when it will happen so that anit-NS people can stop with their game of twist-the-facts.

 

Speaking of which it seems people who ship NH/SS are in very high spirits, very certain that after 631 it became certain that their pairing will happen. Why is that? I seriously think it's all a mental defense mechanism. It's kind of sad.

 

What Naruto said is a joke, Naruto already got over off his crush on Sakura and etc...

For me it's just denial i dont see high spirits on people who does double standards all the time, if it was with Hinata the situation would be different they would be claiming it wasnt a joke and that Naruto was serious.

 

 

 

Too young, don't you remember?

 

To be specific he likes middle aged women with big breasts so Tsunade would be his ideal woman. Unfortunately her heart already belongs to Jiraiya, so Mei will have to do. She has quite a big chest as well.

 

I must have forgot.

But anyway Tsunade is already very old.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[Inferno180]

ush ~ that place is toxic for Sakura lovers like me.
 
But I did read some of the comments. I understand the logic, but the thing is Naruto has so much more to show. Sakura does a lot with what little she has, it's a bit unfair to compare her to Naruto who has a much bigger tank than her.

I don't understand why ns fans would bother, anything sakura related on narutobase is like painting a bullseye for trouble. Chatte is very logical in her arguments but, I just wouldn't pan anything on that site. Seriously I still get ticked off at how the admins just let nh run rampant insulting ns to no end when 615 came in and then when 631 came, they had to shut down the ns forum because of all the anger people were throwing. Man I cannot believe this occurred over that one moment. It's only going to be worse when the next ns related thing comes, even if sakura gets over Sasuke this year, whenever that final fight approaches, it's just going to be ugly.

[Kster95]

 
Dude i already showed a panel where he makes a senjutsu ransengan with one hand!
If he need two clones to make an Oodama Rasenshuriken that combines sage mode, chakra, elemental nnjutsu and strongly manipulation to make a bigger rasengan, thanks that he only needed two, Sasuke needs to use his two eyes to only manipulate his dark flames.
Sakura has any kind of jutsu that doenst even get close to it, even her remote healing she only focuses on the healing aspect while Katsuyu takes the role of splitting the chakra acting like a medium.
 
About fukasaku you missed the part where he talks about balance, Jiraiya could not balance the natural energy with his chakra perfectly being the reason why his sage mode is imperfect while Naruto is perfect because he managed to make the balance perfect, also he even goes further by combining this with the kyuubi mode without any problems.
This is just chakra control, SM requires strong chakra reserves and also perfect chakra control to go to a perfect stage like

Once you go into sage mode, all of your attacks have senjustu in them. You dont add senjustu to all your attack each time you do em.

Naruto's rasengan uses 1 clone. So he can control chakra and chakra manipulation.

Naruto's rasenshuriken uses 2 clones, same as above plus the other clone for wind element.

If he is in sage mode while he does these justus they have senjustu in them already, no need to add it.

Can base naruto or sasuke transfer chakra to someone or store chakra in one place for 3 years? Yeah they cant.

Have any of Naruto's attacks been stated to be the pinnacle of chakra control?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Once you go into sage mode, all of your attacks have senjustu in them. You dont add senjustu to all your attack each time you do em.

Naruto's rasengan uses 1 clone. So he can control chakra and chakra manipulation.

Naruto's rasenshuriken uses 2 clones, same as above plus the other clone for wind element.

If he is in sage mode while he does these justus they have senjustu in them already, no need to add it.

Can base naruto or sasuke transfer chakra to someone or store chakra in one place for 3 years? Yeah they cant.

Have any of Naruto's attacks been stated to be the pinnacle of chakra control?

Naruto's bijuudama disagrees with you.

 

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ He did a rasengan without a clone.

 

You mean Oodama Rasenshuriken.

 

Rasenshuriken doesnt have senjutsu he only uses senjutsu to be capable of throwing it.

 

Depend on what storing means, in fact Naruto doesnt need it, Sakura was capable of storing this chakra during three years but i doubt it's something that she does continuosly or she loses it because she got knocked out 2 times on this manga and i doubt that someome who's uncounciouss is capable of storing chakra.

 

Since when Sakura's byakugou is the pinnacle of chakra control?

just the fact that Naruto does involves different kind of things rather than just being capable of storing chakra in a single spot, he perfectly controls Kurama's chakra and not just that is capable of manipulating it as he pleases and even sync it with sage mode and even being capable of syncing it with other people chakras for them to be able to handle the kyuubi chakra and is even capable of healing people despite not being on the same level as Sakura in terms of medical ninjutsu, despite not having a kittenload of jutsus he's an example of a complete ninja and perfect in terms of chakra control.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 December 2013 - 12:31 AM.

[Kster95]

Naruto's bijuudama disagrees with you.
 
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ He did a rasengan without a clone.
 
You mean Oodama Rasenshuriken.
 
Rasenshuriken doesnt have senjutsu he only uses senjutsu to be capable of throwing it.
 
Depend on what storing means, in fact Naruto doesnt need it, Sakura was capable of storing this chakra during three years but i doubt it's something that she does continuosly or she loses it because she got knocked out 2 times on this manga and i doubt that someome who's uncounciouss is capable of storing chakra.
 
Since when Sakura's byakugou is the pinnacle of chakra control?
just the fact that Naruto does involves different kind of things rather than just being capable of storing chakra in a single spot, he perfectly controls Kurama's chakra and not just that is capable of manipulating it as he pleases and even sync it with sage mode and even being capable of syncing it with other people chakras for them to be able to handle the kyuubi chakra and is even capable of healing people despite not being on the same level as Sakura in terms of medical ninjutsu, despite not having a kittenload of jutsus he's an example of a complete ninja and perfect in terms of chakra control.

Naruto's bijuudama? Can he still do it if he doesnt have the kyuubi?

Yes he did but later on he still needed 2 to do the rasenshuriken. Oodoma is just adding more chakra to make it bigger. He has done oodoma rasengan before.

Shizune said this after Sakura awakened the seal.

And you do realize all those things involve Kurama, while I am not saying Kurama does all the work but Naruto cant do those things without Kuruma.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto's bijuudama? Can he still do it if he doesnt have the kyuubi?

Yes he did but later on he still needed 2 to do the rasenshuriken. Oodoma is just adding more chakra to make it bigger. He has done oodoma rasengan before.

Shizune said this after Sakura awakened the seal.

And you do realize all those things involve Kurama, while I am not saying Kurama does all the work but Naruto cant do those things without Kuruma.

"Rasengan", was show that rasengan is a bijuudama however Naruto is not a bijuu and it doenst have the same properties as the bijuu like having to manipulate Yin and Yang.

In fact despite being the jinchuuriki he has to do it not Kurama and he managed to put senjutsu into the mix pefectly without unbalancing the bijuu dama and causing it to explode on his hands, that is chakra control.

 

She said you activated the byakugou seal, well done and you're a very skilled girl.

 

 

In fact you're failling hard to put down my arguments you're making look like that only Sakura has perfect chakra control and there's no one on the shinobi world that doesnt surpass her, while downplaying even Sage mode saying that you only need the body and literally zero chakra control and it will magically make you enter in the mode, while the manga disagrees and the chakra control is what makes Naruto and Jiraiya's sage mode different from each other.

Once again said about bijuudama saying "but without Kurama he cant do it" when the obvious is if he doesnt have a perfect chakra control he would be unable to maintain a perfect proportion of 9.5 and 0.5 he simply wont be able to use bijuudama even with Kurama's chakra, the proportion is fixed with a exact amount only someome who has a perfect chakra control is capable of using it.

 

As far as i can tell there's no powerups and also Kurama doesnt improve Naruto's chakra control and she cant do jutsus while inside Naruto only if they swap.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 December 2013 - 01:13 AM.

[rocci]

@reddragon
I think yuugito has a thing with killer bee. Since so far only kumogakure village who treat their jinchuriki with respect.

I agree that naruto power is all about chakra and thus his chakra control will more good. But I think what this chakra control in this manga is about efficient one make a jutsu just like what ebisu talk in part one.
Than for naruto I believe it's about chakra shape manipulation.

[Inferno180]

There was another trend with 631, apparently people called it as turning the manga to a point of nothing but fanservice of everything. all I can say about this claim is, if it really was fanservice then we would have seen a major surge of nh stuff regardless of everything else. If it was fanservice then it would be nh and SS. People claim sakura powerup was fanservice, that minatos chakra mode was fanservice (despite the fact we knew for a long time he was sealed with half of kuramas power), that Sasuke turning to help the allaince was fanservice (despite he still has a dark motive)

It's true some stuff wasn't really that good from what Kishi did but come on, claiming stuff around 631 was fanservice and all this other stuff is just what fans want to see? This is just a case if taking fan-dumb to a new level.

[Kster95]

"Rasengan", was show that rasengan is a bijuudama however Naruto is not a bijuu and it doenst have the same properties as the bijuu like having to manipulate Yin and Yang.
In fact despite being the jinchuuriki he has to do it not Kurama and he managed to put senjutsu into the mix pefectly without unbalancing the bijuu dama and causing it to explode on his hands, that is chakra control.
 
She said you activated the byakugou seal, well done and you're a very skilled girl.
 
 
In fact you're failling hard to put down my arguments you're making look like that only Sakura has perfect chakra control and there's no one on the shinobi world that doesnt surpass her, while downplaying even Sage mode saying that you only need the body and literally zero chakra control and it will magically make you enter in the mode, while the manga disagrees and the chakra control is what makes Naruto and Jiraiya's sage mode different from each other.
Once again said about bijuudama saying "but without Kurama he cant do it" when the obvious is if he doesnt have a perfect chakra control he would be unable to maintain a perfect proportion of 9.5 and 0.5 he simply wont be able to use bijuudama even with Kurama's chakra, the proportion is fixed with a exact amount only someome who has a perfect chakra control is capable of using it.
 
As far as i can tell there's no powerups and also Kurama doesnt improve Naruto's chakra control and she cant do jutsus while inside Naruto only if they swap.

No Minato modeled the rasengan after the bijuudama, its not the same. You cant throw the rasengan and its made comepletely different.

Scan of naruto putting senjustu in bijuudama? It doesnt matter because I have already stated once your in SM all your attacks have it and as per your other post, there was senjustu in the rasengan that injured juubito.

Depends on translation, I dont know which one is correct but

http://www.mangasee....index=1&page=19

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/632/18

Where have I failed to put down your arguments? I have countered each one.

I am not down playing SM, yes you need to be balanced but just because you are balanced doesnt mean you have perfect chakra control and are better at someone who is known to have amazing chakra control. Especially when it was never stated anywhere SM needs perfect chakra control but yin seal was.

You misunderstood my point, look can Naruto give people his own chakra, can he make a cloak and hand his own chakra out? No he cannot, he needs kurama's cloak to be used as a medium and through the medium transforms the chakra to theirs.