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[Atheck]

Sakura isn't really a long ranged type. The basis of her fighting abilities is steered towards close quarters assault coupled with lethal strikes (although her strikes would geographically cover all ranges technically). Her only long ranged jutsu is summoning and she has yet to actually use Katsuyu offensively.

[rocci]

Of course sakura isn't a long range since she doesn't has that kind of feat in manga. Thus why I said sakura supposedly put on caster type, since she is a natural genjutsu type and has perfect chakra control, that alone can make her a deadly range genjutsu user. But if kishi make her learn genjutsu, I doubt that kishi will make sakura learn medical ninjutsu from tsunade at the end of part 2.
And this would make sakura useful in part 1 and will force to put her in the searching sasuke in part one, while I believe kishi intend to make it all male team. But why shino didn't include? I think that's because shino was OP at that time, and there are no hard counter for his bug jutsu from the sound ninja, save (maybe)kimimaro.

[Atheck]

And this would make sakura useful in part 1 and will force to put her in the searching sasuke in part one, while I believe kishi intend to make it all male team. But why shino didn't include? I think that's because shino was OP at that time, and there are no hard counter for his bug jutsu from the sound ninja, save (maybe)kimimaro.

He might have been a good match up for Kidomaru. He has an arachnid theme that is very similar to Shino's relationship with bugs. Both fight primarily at long range and they're capable of using their respective creatures as thousands of miniature parasites or weapons. Kidomaru might actually have the advantage since he's capable of secreting that gold type substance and hardening it into protective armour that is able to block attacks that inject chakra into people for internal damage. If Shino tries to covertly plant his bugs onto Kidomaru's body like he did against Zaku then that technique could always be used for protecting his chakra. There's also the very uncertain effect that the Curse Seal may have on the bugs. They're part of nature like frogs or snakes, but it's up in the air about the reaction that natural energy would have on them.

Then there's also Kidomaru's summoning, Kyodaigumo, to consider. It could produce so many spider creatures at once that even Neji couldn't fully repel all of them and they're all constantly weaving the same webs that Kidomaru admitted were capable of holding two elephants (elephants on average can weigh anywhere between 2,200 and 7,000 kg). Now I have no doubt that Shino's bugs could free him by eating the chakra within the webs, but the issue is how long that process would take. A few seconds? One minute? He doesn't have the same ability to channel precisely emitted chakra from all of his tenketsu that Neji has. That interval can mean the difference between Shino successfuly escaping from the webs and a CS2 powered arrow entering and exiting through his heart at maximum velocity.

To put it simply, Shino's assistance wouldn't have been this definitive game changer that is capable of altering the course of the story. Similar to Gaara, he would have come across many difficulties and setbacks with the opponent he was pit up against. He may not even do as well as Neji did against Kidomaru.

[rocci]

@atheck
I kind of agree with your shino vs kidomaru, while shino has ranged attack, kidomaru was simply longer and powerful.
But the additional of shino will benefit the group as a whole, he can even assist chouji.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He might have been a good match up for Kidomaru. He has an arachnid theme that is very similar to Shino's relationship with bugs. Both fight primarily at long range and they're capable of using their respective creatures as thousands of miniature parasites or weapons. Kidomaru might actually have the advantage since he's capable of secreting that gold type substance and hardening it into protective armour that is able to block attacks that inject chakra into people for internal damage. If Shino tries to covertly plant his bugs onto Kidomaru's body like he did against Zaku then that technique could always be used for protecting his chakra. There's also the very uncertain effect that the Curse Seal may have on the bugs. They're part of nature like frogs or snakes, but it's up in the air about the reaction that natural energy would have on them.

Then there's also Kidomaru's summoning, Kyodaigumo, to consider. It could produce so many spider creatures at once that even Neji couldn't fully repel all of them and they're all constantly weaving the same webs that Kidomaru admitted were capable of holding two elephants (elephants on average can weigh anywhere between 2,200 and 7,000 kg). Now I have no doubt that Shino's bugs could free him by eating the chakra within the webs, but the issue is how long that process would take. A few seconds? One minute? He doesn't have the same ability to channel precisely emitted chakra from all of his tenketsu that Neji has. That interval can mean the difference between Shino successfuly escaping from the webs and a CS2 powered arrow entering and exiting through his heart at maximum velocity.

To put it simply, Shino's assistance wouldn't have been this definitive game changer that is capable of altering the course of the story. Similar to Gaara, he would have come across many difficulties and setbacks with the opponent he was pit up against. He may not even do as well as Neji did against Kidomaru.

Are there elephants in Naruto?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 09:59 AM.

[Atheck]

Are there elephants in Naruto?

Probably since a character in the universe mentioned them.

[Luna]

^Movie 3

[Superman333]

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Probably since a character in the universe mentioned them.[/quote

you go to Harvard or something ? God damn .

[Kster95]

Based on a chapter where Iruka explains that after observing Naruto's fight against Kiba even with a seal making his chakra control difficult and after that ignores Naruto's progression, Naruto's progression as a ninja and powerups all went down to chakra control not larger chakra pool.
If it was about larger chakra pool he would have more jutsus than rasengan and kagebushins.
 
Jiraiya taught Naruto about chakra control with rasengan and later with Oodama Rasengan by forcing him to put more chakra into it, Kakashi taught him chakra control and balance with the elemental training, Fukasaku taught him about balance and precise chakra control(immobile and right amount) with sage mode, Killer Bee chakra control on the kyuubi form and chakra manipulation with once again went down to chakra control (mini-rasenshuriken and crazy stuff).

Naruto has bad chakra control, he has gotten better but he is nowhere near Sakura at it. Show me a scan of base Naruto doing a rasengan with no clones. SM has nothing really to do with chakra control.

Edited by Kster95, 16 December 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto has bad chakra control, he has gotten better but he is nowhere near Sakura at it. Show me a scan of base Naruto doing a rasengan with no clones. SM has nothing really to do with chakra control.

Here you go.

http://i19.mangaread...uto-4358723.jpg

 

No clones, a senjutsu rasengan.

Here's the previous page to make sure http://i3.mangareade...uto-4358721.jpg

 

Everything relies on chakra control, it's the basic thing, forcing Naruto to maintain a perfect harmony between three sources of energy to make Senjutsu chakra, or even adding senjutsu to his attacks is chakra control.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[Superman333]

Naruto's chakra control is insane .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Um, NaruSaku talk anyone? Lol

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Um, NaruSaku talk anyone? Lol

No new topics to talk about.

[TouKen4Life3g]

True but talking DBZ style (power level) should be taken elsewhere. With all due respect.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

True but talking DBZ style (power level) should be taken elsewhere. With all due respect.

No one here is talking about DBZ or powerlevel, if it should restrict only to NS then talking about NH fandoms or other things should also be banished too.
I believe it is a general debate thread, unless if someome decides to create the general debate thread and makes this thread exclusive to NS.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 08:09 PM.

[redragon88]

Um, NaruSaku talk anyone? Lol

 

Ever since 631 came out, to me, it became completely clear that NS was the pairing meant to be canon. Beforehand it was obvious, but I took 631 as Kishi actually sreaming in our faces to not consider anything else. Now the only anticipation I have for it is when it will happen so that anit-NS people can stop with their game of twist-the-facts.

 

Speaking of which it seems people who ship NH/SS are in very high spirits, very certain that after 631 it became certain that their pairing will happen. Why is that? I seriously think it's all a mental defense mechanism. It's kind of sad.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Do you think that Sakura has some kind of dislikeness when it comes to Naruto i dont know but i mean she seems to deny or even back off Naruto, in other words reject him, i dont know if it's part of her tsundere attitude or she just like to act tough when close to him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Good points, everyone. Anyway, doing cleanup here, so I'll be away for a while. Take care.

[redragon88]

Do you think that Sakura has some kind of dislikeness when it comes to Naruto i dont know but i mean she seems to deny or even back off Naruto, in other words reject him, i dont know if it's part of her tsundere attitude or she just like to act tough when close to him.

 

It's not that she dislikes him, she's just stubborn about how she feels towards him. Accepting that she's beginning to love Naruto is not an easy transition for her, especially when she was all about Sasuke previously and probably believed she would only love him.

 

Sakura gets irritated about some of Naruto's quirks, but she certainly doesn't hate him for it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

It's not that she dislikes him, she's just stubborn about how she feels towards him. Accepting that she's beginning to love Naruto is not an easy transition for her, especially when she was all about Sasuke previously and probably believed she would only love him.

 

Sakura gets irritated about some of Naruto's quirks, but she certainly doesn't hate him for it.

I used to think about it but i felt that it's more due to Naruto's imaturity i mean it's like "do i really love Naruto, Naruto really?"

I mean all movies or even on the manga, Naruto always get trolled.