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[rocci]

I assume base on chapter 573 that naruto didn't know both sasuke and sakura, and vice versa. While Hinata know and like naruto and ino sakura part of sasuke fangirl bandwagon.
I believe that naruto start to like sakura in their academy day, but for what reason? Is it just because sakura is cute girl or there're more on it.
If it's just because cute face, why he didn't consider ino and or Hinata a cutie too.

[咲耶姫]

I assume base on chapter 573 that naruto didn't know both sasuke and sakura, and vice versa. While Hinata know and like naruto and ino sakura part of sasuke fangirl bandwagon.
I believe that naruto start to like sakura in their academy day, but for what reason? Is it just because sakura is cute girl or there're more on it.
If it's just because cute face, why he didn't consider ino and or Hinata a cutie too.

I don't understand. Why chapter 573?

[rocci]

I'm sorry, it's chapter 538 my bad.

[narulsaku]

 
That was because Sasuke could now see what Naruto was going to do before he even did it, that is the basic power of the Sharingan.

ok if u say so. I dont wanna argue about this more . Just tell me the difference between mangakyo sharingan and EMS

[rocci]

MS allow you to unlock new jutsu, in sasuke and itachi case they unlock three advance jutsu, usually a ninja learn three school jutsu starting from tai jutsu, ninjutsu, and the last is genjutsu. But in sasuke and itachi, I saw it goes backward. Starting from advance absolute genjutsu(tsukoyomi), absolute elemental ninjutsu(Amaterasu), and absolute tai jutsu(susanoo).

Why I said it absolute jutsu, because all ms tech so far is unstoppable. Even Amaterasu the one who many fan saw as a lame jutsu. It's only lame if you don't strip fast.

But the downside of having MS is your eyesight will degrade to the point you lost your sight, unless you have hashirama cell.

While EMS, it provide an even stronger susanoo and you don't lose your eye sight, and you can spam it. Even better, if you have hashirama cell, there's possibility you will gain rinnegan. But you need your sibling other ms eye, if you're only child like obito and I assume shisui than your only hope is hashi cell.

Now if madara and itachi are smart, why didn't they swap their eye with each other brothers so izuna and itachi can gain it too.

[narulsaku]

MS allow you to unlock new jutsu, in sasuke and itachi case they unlock three advance jutsu, usually a ninja learn three school jutsu starting from tai jutsu, ninjutsu, and the last is genjutsu. But in sasuke and itachi, I saw it goes backward. Starting from advance absolute genjutsu(tsukoyomi), absolute elemental ninjutsu(Amaterasu), and absolute tai jutsu(susanoo).

Why I said it absolute jutsu, because all ms tech so far is unstoppable. Even Amaterasu the one who many fan saw as a lame jutsu. It's only lame if you don't strip fast.

But the downside of having MS is your eyesight will degrade to the point you lost your sight, unless you have hashirama cell.

While EMS, it provide an even stronger susanoo and you don't lose your eye sight, and you can spam it. Even better, if you have hashirama cell, there's possibility you will gain rinnegan. But you need your sibling other ms eye, if you're only child like obito and I assume shisui than your only hope is hashi cell.

Now if madara and itachi are smart, why didn't they swap their eye with each other brothers so izuna and itachi can gain it too.

thank u.
And to ur last para : may be they didnt know about that then.

[Shashank95]

And this is the reason why i have most of the Uchiha. Kishi has overpowered their butts too much.

[rocci]

I think that's because kishi intend to make naruto vs sasuke the last fight in this manga. Thus he need to make sure that sasuke will equal to naruto.
I always believe what determine a high level battle is not the jutsu, but more like how much chakra you have. And sasuke doesn't has it.

[Luna]

^I agree with the chakra part but the way I look at it is that Chakra control and Having a lot of chakra is the same thing. I mean if you have a lot of chakra control like sakura or tsunade or even hinata (a bit) they can outlast ppl who have a lot of charkra and sasuke has always  had control.

Edited by Baka chan, 15 December 2013 - 10:37 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I would not say that, Naruto is by far the one who has the best chakra control above even Sakura and Sasuke, all his training and his skills are just about chakra control, it doesnt require much stuff aside casting.

Naruto's rasengan is literally casting with adding rotation to stabilize, Kage bushin once again, with it's chakra division.
His kyuubi chakra mode and once again the tailed beast bomb forcing Naruto to maintain a perfect 8:2 chakra proportion, his sage mode forcing him to add another energy to to his chakra to enter sage mode and forcing him to concentrate by being immobile, his training with Killer Bee to control the kyuubi chakra, even the part when Kakashi was explaining Naruto's ability to share Kyuubi chakra once again it comes down to chakra control.

 

Naruto doesnt have many jutsus, he literally has a perfect chakra control combined with the huge ammount of chakra he has which allows him to do everything he wants with his rasengan and his chakra.

 

As for Sasuke is another story, he has many jutsus but doenst have a chakra control on the level of Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 December 2013 - 11:41 PM.

[sushi.]

^Naruto can do all that kitten because of his stamina. Sakura is the one with perfect chakra control, using just the right amount to make sure she doesn't waste what she has.

 

Imagine their OP monster off-springs tho, chakra control+stamina.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^Naruto can do all that kitten because of his stamina. Sakura is the one with perfect chakra control, using just the right amount to make sure she doesn't waste what she has.

 

Imagine their OP monster off-springs tho, chakra control+stamina.

Stamina doesnt allow him to have that kind of chakra control he has.

Naruto's chakra control is absurd.

 

bijuu dama involve managing the correct ammount of chakra and Sage mode too, by forcing Naruto to balance physical, mental and natural energy and bijuu dama where he needs to maintain a proportion of 8:2 of chakra, and by far he maintain the perfect 8:2 proportion and still manages to put Natural energy into this without unbalancing the 8:2 proportion, this is chakra control.

 

i'm sorry but Naruto's chakra control is better than Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 12:10 AM.

[Atheck]

And this is the reason why i have most of the Uchiha. Kishi has overpowered their butts too much.

 

There's been a surplus of elemental kekkei genkai since the Kage Summit arc as well. Yoton, Futton, Shakuton, Ranton... It kind of devalues the worth of the ability if there is such a large amount of people that are capable of using them. The Sharingan and Uchiha may be at the centre stage of the plot, but it's not like they're the deciding factor in every fight that is written in the manga. Hell, at least its applications are multi-faceted which can make the flow of a battle more dynamic and it's in the possession of so few people that you could count them off with one hand.

 

I'm not trying to defend the Sharingan or its prevalence, but it definitely has competition for the title of most repetitive KG witnessed now.  

Edited by Atheck, 16 December 2013 - 12:11 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I believe Chatte has made a thread explaining who has the better control on this thread she posted on Naruto Base http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=460218 (Hope she doesn't mind, or am I not aloud to post this?).

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 16 December 2013 - 12:11 AM.

[sushi.]

I believe Chatte has made a thread explaining who has the better control on this thread she posted on Naruto Base http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=460218 (Hope she doesn't mind, or am I not aloud to post this?).

ush ~ that place is toxic for Sakura lovers like me.

 

But I did read some of the comments. I understand the logic, but the thing is Naruto has so much more to show. Sakura does a lot with what little she has, it's a bit unfair to compare her to Naruto who has a much bigger tank than her.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I believe Chatte has made a thread explaining who has the better control on this thread she posted on Naruto Base http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=460218 (Hope she doesn't mind, or am I not aloud to post this?).

I saw it but she didnt count Naruto's progression on this matter she bought up the sage mode topic she said with all respect somethign that doesnt make sense, she tried to explain that sage mode is not much about chakra control and saying there's no proper amount mentioned but he says that the three must be on a perfect balance and that for me it's chakra control.

 

Also about the proportion of 9.5 and 0.5 on Naruto that's chakra control and he never heard of that before anway he managed to maintain the proportion and that's once again perfect chakra control.

Sakura's remote healing, she already knew about the jutsu before hand and being honest she made the contract with Katsuyu before obviously.

 

In the end she ends with a conclusion on an outdated panel showing that Sakura has a precise chakra control but Naruto has it too if not higher with his ability to add more stuff to his attacks without unbalancing his attacks.

I think that she was greatly biased towards Sakura and downplayed Naruto's efforts, Naruto having a higher chakra control than Sakura does not downgrade her efforts, Sakura's training was more about Medical Ninjutsu and the ability to transform her chakra into healing one while Naruto's path is all about chakra control with his rasengan, Oodama rasengan, Fuuton Rasenshuriken, Kage bushins, he might not be smart as Sakura but he's someome who's more practical, Sakura is more intelligent than Naruto.

I think the only two things that she has above than Naruto is her intelligence and natural genjutsu resistance which is Naruto's weakness but Naruto is a jinchuuriki.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 12:35 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

ush ~ that place is toxic for Sakura lovers like me.

 

But I did read some of the comments. I understand the logic, but the thing is Naruto has so much more to show. Sakura does a lot with what little she has, it's a bit unfair to compare her to Naruto who has a much bigger tank than her.

 

Tell me about it's were I first learned of this hate Sakura gets online with the west.

 

True I guess, though imagine if Sakura had Naruto's Chakara level?           

 

 

I saw it but she didnt count Naruto's progression on this matter she bought up the sage mode topic she said with all respect somethign that doesnt make sense, she tried to explain that sage mode is not much about chakra control and saying there's no proper amount mentioned but he says that the three must be on a perfect balance and that for me it's chakra control.

 

Also about the proportion of 9.5 and 0.5 on Naruto that's chakra control and he never heard of that before anway he managed to maintain the proportion and that's once again perfect chakra control.

Sakura's remote healing, she already knew about the jutsu before hand and being honest she made the contract with Katsuyu before obviously.

 

In the end she ends with a conclusion on an outdated panel showing that Sakura has a precise chakra control but Naruto has it too if not higher with his ability to add more stuff to his attacks without unbalancing his attacks.

I think that she was greatly biased towards Sakura and downplayed Naruto's efforts, Naruto having a higher chakra control than Sakura does not downgrade her efforts, Sakura's training was more about Medical Ninjutsu and the ability to transform her chakra into healing one while Naruto's path is all about chakra control with his rasengan, Oodama rasengan, Fuuton Rasenshuriken, Kage bushins, he might not be smart as Sakura but he's someome who's more practical, Sakura is more intelligent than Naruto.

I think the only thing that she has above than Naruto is her intelligence and natural genjutsu resistance which is Naruto's weakness but Naruto is a jinchuuriki.

 

Have you read her counter arguments to those against her post?

[Luna]

 Naruto's control IS not better than Sakura's and I don't say this because of the sakura fan in me but honestly Naruto waste chakra more the  people waste water. Chakra control isn't just about controlling it but its also about not wasting it which Naruto does regularly.

Edited by Baka chan, 16 December 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 Naruto's control IS not better than Sakura's and I don't say this because of the sakura fan in me but honestly Naruto waste chakra more the  people waste water. Chakra control isn't just about controlling it but its also about not wasting it which Naruto does regularly.

Based on a chapter where Iruka explains that after observing Naruto's fight against Kiba even with a seal making his chakra control difficult and after that ignores Naruto's progression, Naruto's progression as a ninja and powerups all went down to chakra control not larger chakra pool.

If it was about larger chakra pool he would have more jutsus than rasengan and kagebushins.

 

Jiraiya taught Naruto about chakra control with rasengan and later with Oodama Rasengan by forcing him to put more chakra into it, Kakashi taught him chakra control and balance with the elemental training, Fukasaku taught him about balance and precise chakra control(immobile and right amount) with sage mode, Killer Bee chakra control on the kyuubi form and chakra manipulation with once again went down to chakra control (mini-rasenshuriken and crazy stuff).

Like creating extra arms and etc...

 

 

Have you read her counter arguments to those against her post?

 

People bashing her and not taking her post seriously, most didnt even read the post.

 

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 December 2013 - 12:59 AM.

[rocci]

I make a new classification of ninja type base on their abilities.
1. The specialist ninja, this is the type who only focus on one aspect to determine what their fighting style. this is where k-11(minus team7)clan parent belong, along with tai jutsu user and pure medics.
Example:
clan: yamanaka, Nara, akimichi, inuzuka, aburame, and hyuga.
Person: gai, lee, tenten, rin, and sakura.

2. The caster type ninja, the long ranger and the ninja who can use elemental ninjutsu and/or genjutsu. Example: Mei, temari, onoki, C, kabuto, kurenai, and supposedly sakura.

3. The complete type ninja, the one who have "at least" can perform or even mastery over three ninja school(the tai, nin, gen jutsu), example : kakashi, itachi, sasuke, madara, hashirama.

And for does naruto has a great chakra control(even more than sakura), I think naruto is a spammer, thus he can many high level jutsu, but I don't think he using it efficiently, and if he's, he will perform it with one hand.
And yes naruto is all about chakra, and most of it doesn't require handseal or complex handseal.

Then again, it's just my opinion.